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Using their phone and service without their permission is illegal. Stealing is to take what isn't yours. If the armored car spills money all out into the street, it is illegal to take that money.
No, you don't have a legal responsibility to return the phone, but you have a moral one.
The issue is enforcement.
If you need the imminent threat of enforcement to do the correct thing morally, than you're most likely like CharlieMurphy; a shithead.
On February 21 2007 13:47 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it. Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card. I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)? Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'.
You didn't reward someone for going out of there way to do you a favor? And you don't know why you should do things to help others if you perceive the general public < the action?
You really are an average asshole. You should check yourself out for Borderline Personality Disorder.
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On February 21 2007 13:57 Cpt Obvious wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2007 13:47 CharlieMurphy wrote:On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it. Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card. I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)? Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'. are you kidding me? because you are an asshole doesn't mean everyone is. twisted logic ftw -_-
You're forgetting the last line buddy, A normal person would not even know who owned the phone at all. So who are you or they to say I should return it to them if that said 'non asshole' person would not know where to even return it?
Stop calling me names its hurting my feelings 
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who the hell cares if you get a reward, return the god dam phone and don't be a dick;/
and what the hell is with that logic. Ok, you use what "talents" you have ( apparently ones that normal ppl dont have) and you find out who owns the phone. woohoo, now you have the information you need to return it. No one is saying u HAVE to do anything, but there isn't any way to hide the fact that your a huge douche if you don't try to return it;/
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Where's the vote for "stop being a goddamned douchebag and return the phone"?
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On February 21 2007 14:01 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2007 13:57 Cpt Obvious wrote:On February 21 2007 13:47 CharlieMurphy wrote:On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it. Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card. I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)? Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'. are you kidding me? because you are an asshole doesn't mean everyone is. twisted logic ftw -_- You're forgetting the last line buddy, A normal person would not even know who owned the phone at all. So who are you or they to say I should return it to them if that said 'non asshole' person would not know where to even return it?
There's information on/in the phone that can be identified by the carrier. A call to cingular (or whoever) would be able to tell them who's phone it is.
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On February 21 2007 14:04 ~AreS] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2007 14:01 CharlieMurphy wrote:On February 21 2007 13:57 Cpt Obvious wrote:On February 21 2007 13:47 CharlieMurphy wrote:On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it. Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card. I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)? Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'. wrong, they need more than just a phone number to access anything on the account. are you kidding me? because you are an asshole doesn't mean everyone is. twisted logic ftw -_- You're forgetting the last line buddy, A normal person would not even know who owned the phone at all. So who are you or they to say I should return it to them if that said 'non asshole' person would not know where to even return it? There's information on/in the phone that can be identified by the carrier. A call to cingular (or whoever) would be able to tell them who's phone it is.
Wrong, you need more than just a phone number to access an account. They don't just go around giving out information.
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On February 21 2007 14:01 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2007 13:57 Cpt Obvious wrote:On February 21 2007 13:47 CharlieMurphy wrote:On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it. Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card. I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)? Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'. are you kidding me? because you are an asshole doesn't mean everyone is. twisted logic ftw -_- You're forgetting the last line buddy, A normal person would not even know who owned the phone at all. So who are you or they to say I should return it to them if that said 'non asshole' person would not know where to even return it? Stop calling me names its hurting my feelings
at the point you stop hurting other people's purses, i will stop calling you names, take my word for it, douche.
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It's pretty obvioust most people in this thread think you should return the phone. You however think otherwise.
If you feel so strong about using it then I guess you should just go ahead and use it. Just know that this is considered stealing since you're using a service they have paid for. You have not paid for it, yet you are using it. Taking something without having paid for it is generally known as stealing, regardless of how stupid the victim might have been to not yet have cancelled his subscription/plan.
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Hey, I'm being 'non-asshole' enough to come here and ask what you shmucks think.
ps- what does 'purches' mean?
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Give you legal advice on the best way to use stolen items?
There is no moral dilemma here. You're a dick and seem proud of it.
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On February 21 2007 14:04 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2007 14:04 ~AreS] wrote:On February 21 2007 14:01 CharlieMurphy wrote:On February 21 2007 13:57 Cpt Obvious wrote:On February 21 2007 13:47 CharlieMurphy wrote:On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it. Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card. I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)? Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'. wrong, they need more than just a phone number to access anything on the account. are you kidding me? because you are an asshole doesn't mean everyone is. twisted logic ftw -_- You're forgetting the last line buddy, A normal person would not even know who owned the phone at all. So who are you or they to say I should return it to them if that said 'non asshole' person would not know where to even return it? There's information on/in the phone that can be identified by the carrier. A call to cingular (or whoever) would be able to tell them who's phone it is. Wrong, you need more than just a phone number to access an account. They don't just go around giving out information.
ok now youre a genius! give it back.
seriously if it was me, id give it back then again.. its your shoes. do what you like.
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look at the ten commandments: "no stealing thx"
look at federal law: "not knowing what the right thing to do is doesn't mean you can do what you want and get away with it"
look at this thread: "return the goddamn phone and get out."
does the message get through?
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On February 21 2007 14:10 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Hey, I'm being 'non-asshole' enough to come here and ask what you shmucks think.
ps- what does 'purches' mean?
Whatever, you were probably trying to justify your actions by getting a bunch of us to say "fuck yeah, free phone!"
I just want to use it for the time being until I get my own phone.
You can't wait?
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On February 21 2007 14:12 Tyrio wrote:
Give you legal advice on the best way to use stolen items?
There is no moral dilemma here. You're a dick and seem proud of it.
I didn't steal anything. I found it. I haven't committed any crimes at all. I haven't actually done anything wrong but talk about this. Stop calling me names.
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On February 21 2007 14:13 mahnini wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2007 14:10 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Hey, I'm being 'non-asshole' enough to come here and ask what you shmucks think.
ps- what does 'purches' mean? Whatever, you were probably trying to justify your actions by getting a bunch of us to say "fuck yeah, free phone!" You can't wait?
No, I actually started the thread to see if I could legally use their phone for a week or so without criminal consequences.
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On February 21 2007 14:18 CharlieMurphy wrote:
I didn't steal anything. I found it.
Nice excuse.
I haven't committed any crimes at all. I haven't actually done anything wrong but talk about this. Stop calling me names
No you haven't committed any crimes yet, but you plan to. Isn't that why you made this thread? To see if you could get in trouble for the crime you were about to commit?
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On February 21 2007 14:21 Tyrio wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2007 14:18 CharlieMurphy wrote:
I didn't steal anything. I found it. Nice excuse. Show nested quote +I haven't committed any crimes at all. I haven't actually done anything wrong but talk about this. Stop calling me names No you haven't committed any crimes yet, but you plan to. Isn't that why you made this thread? To see if you could get in trouble for the crime you were about to commit?
I never said I would commit a crime, I said I didn't want to commit a crime. Thats the whole point of this thread. Don't put words in my mouth.
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WOOOOAHHH LET'S ALL FLAME CHARLIEMURPHY WITH THE EXACT SAME THING
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