I know I should return something when I find it. But I found this cell phone on the ground the screen is cracked and won't display anything but it still works to make and recieve calls. Its a Nokia 6030
Anyways being the super sleuth that I am I found out who owns the phone, the phone's number, the person's home phone, name, etc.
The phone service is still active on the phone.
So my question is, Legally can I use the phone to make calls etc. until they cancel their service on that phone? I mean its like finders keepers if they didn't protect themselves by suspending the service can I make calls until they do?
I'm not planning on being a dick about it or anything and running up a huge bill. I just want to use it for the time being until I get my own phone.
I know there is no law that says I have to return anything I find, but can I use their service?
EDIT- Poll on the bottom of this page, read through before you vote.
On February 21 2007 13:41 AmorVincitOmnia wrote: seriously, i'd just call em up and give it back. karma man.
and yes that sounds kind of illegal.
karma indeed. and yea, you can get in trouble for something. somoene did this with my bros phone n we got cops
I don't care about karma, I just care if I can get arrested.
I didn't steal it though, my friend's mom found it on the ground. I know they can look at their bill and see who was called and stuff. What did the cops do to the person who used the phone?
Unless there is tracking on it, you can probably get away with using it for normal use until the people realize they've lost their phone and cancel the service. If you just want the phone and not the service you can just take out the SIM card.
On February 21 2007 13:43 decafchicken wrote: Unless there is tracking on it, you can probably get away with using it for normal use until the people realize they've lost their phone and cancel the service. If you just want the phone and not the service you can just take out the SIM card.
I know that, The phone sucks i'd return that in a heartbeat.
The exact same thing happended to me on a train. I called "Dad" on the phone and apparently the phone belonged to a little girl on the other side of the country who had dropped it when she was traveling home alone. I sent it back to her by mail.
On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it.
Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card.
I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?
Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'.
On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it.
Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment.
I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?
i lose my phone constantly. i'm so bad with it, i don't know what it is about cell phones but they just dissapear when they come into my possesion. i also keep all my numbers in the phone books of said phones. i have like maybe 3 numbers memorized, so when i lose my phone i lose all those numbers and it takes like 3 months to get the majority of them back.
Who cares if it's stupid on their part. The simple truth is that it's not your phone, not your services and if you use it, you're to blame. That's like leaving your wireless unprotected and then having your neighbor say "Well, you left it unprotected, not my fault".
Bullshit.
Return the phone or put it back where you found it.
And no, it's not legal. Unauthorized use if memory serves.
On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it.
Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card.
I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?
Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'.
why are you so defensive, we're telling you it's wrong and illegal --;
if you just want to know "can i get away with it" then.... probably yes you could
On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it.
Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card.
I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?
Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'.
are you kidding me? because you are an asshole doesn't mean everyone is. twisted logic ftw -_-
On February 21 2007 13:54 ~AreS] wrote: Who cares if it's stupid on their part. The simple truth is that it's not your phone, not your services and if you use it, you're to blame. That's like leaving your wireless unprotected and then having your neighbor say "Well, you left it unprotected, not my fault".
Bullshit.
Return the phone or put it back where you found it.
Ok, I think this can be considered theft of services if I make calls with their SIM. There is no law saying I have to give any of the hardware back though. Maybe I should start calling them and bugging them to see how smart they are.
Ok new poll:
Poll: What to do? (Vote): Use the phone, fuck it. (Vote): Return it and hope for a reward. (Vote): Scrap the phone, don't use their service. (Vote): Prank call them to high hell
Using their phone and service without their permission is illegal. Stealing is to take what isn't yours. If the armored car spills money all out into the street, it is illegal to take that money. No, you don't have a legal responsibility to return the phone, but you have a moral one. The issue is enforcement. If you need the imminent threat of enforcement to do the correct thing morally, than you're most likely like CharlieMurphy; a shithead.
On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it.
Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card.
I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?
Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'.
You didn't reward someone for going out of there way to do you a favor? And you don't know why you should do things to help others if you perceive the general public < the action?
You really are an average asshole. You should check yourself out for Borderline Personality Disorder.
On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it.
Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card.
I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?
Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'.
are you kidding me? because you are an asshole doesn't mean everyone is. twisted logic ftw -_-
You're forgetting the last line buddy, A normal person would not even know who owned the phone at all. So who are you or they to say I should return it to them if that said 'non asshole' person would not know where to even return it?
who the hell cares if you get a reward, return the god dam phone and don't be a dick;/
and what the hell is with that logic. Ok, you use what "talents" you have ( apparently ones that normal ppl dont have) and you find out who owns the phone. woohoo, now you have the information you need to return it. No one is saying u HAVE to do anything, but there isn't any way to hide the fact that your a huge douche if you don't try to return it;/
On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it.
Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card.
I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?
Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'.
are you kidding me? because you are an asshole doesn't mean everyone is. twisted logic ftw -_-
You're forgetting the last line buddy, A normal person would not even know who owned the phone at all. So who are you or they to say I should return it to them if that said 'non asshole' person would not know where to even return it?
There's information on/in the phone that can be identified by the carrier. A call to cingular (or whoever) would be able to tell them who's phone it is.
On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it.
Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card.
I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?
Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'.
wrong, they need more than just a phone number to access anything on the account. are you kidding me? because you are an asshole doesn't mean everyone is. twisted logic ftw -_-
You're forgetting the last line buddy, A normal person would not even know who owned the phone at all. So who are you or they to say I should return it to them if that said 'non asshole' person would not know where to even return it?
There's information on/in the phone that can be identified by the carrier. A call to cingular (or whoever) would be able to tell them who's phone it is.
Wrong, you need more than just a phone number to access an account. They don't just go around giving out information.
On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it.
Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card.
I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?
Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'.
are you kidding me? because you are an asshole doesn't mean everyone is. twisted logic ftw -_-
You're forgetting the last line buddy, A normal person would not even know who owned the phone at all. So who are you or they to say I should return it to them if that said 'non asshole' person would not know where to even return it?
Stop calling me names its hurting my feelings
at the point you stop hurting other people's purses, i will stop calling you names, take my word for it, douche.
It's pretty obvioust most people in this thread think you should return the phone. You however think otherwise.
If you feel so strong about using it then I guess you should just go ahead and use it. Just know that this is considered stealing since you're using a service they have paid for. You have not paid for it, yet you are using it. Taking something without having paid for it is generally known as stealing, regardless of how stupid the victim might have been to not yet have cancelled his subscription/plan.
On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it.
Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card.
I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?
Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'.
wrong, they need more than just a phone number to access anything on the account. are you kidding me? because you are an asshole doesn't mean everyone is. twisted logic ftw -_-
You're forgetting the last line buddy, A normal person would not even know who owned the phone at all. So who are you or they to say I should return it to them if that said 'non asshole' person would not know where to even return it?
There's information on/in the phone that can be identified by the carrier. A call to cingular (or whoever) would be able to tell them who's phone it is.
Wrong, you need more than just a phone number to access an account. They don't just go around giving out information.
ok now youre a genius! give it back. seriously if it was me, id give it back then again.. its your shoes. do what you like.
On February 21 2007 14:12 Tyrio wrote: Give you legal advice on the best way to use stolen items?
There is no moral dilemma here. You're a dick and seem proud of it.
I didn't steal anything. I found it. I haven't committed any crimes at all. I haven't actually done anything wrong but talk about this. Stop calling me names.
I haven't committed any crimes at all. I haven't actually done anything wrong but talk about this. Stop calling me names
No you haven't committed any crimes yet, but you plan to. Isn't that why you made this thread? To see if you could get in trouble for the crime you were about to commit?
I haven't committed any crimes at all. I haven't actually done anything wrong but talk about this. Stop calling me names
No you haven't committed any crimes yet, but you plan to. Isn't that why you made this thread? To see if you could get in trouble for the crime you were about to commit?
I never said I would commit a crime, I said I didn't want to commit a crime. Thats the whole point of this thread. Don't put words in my mouth.
In many states it's the law that found property over a certain dollar amount must be turned over to local police. Many places also have an additional law that using found property without notifying the police is a form of larceny.
Not only are they being billed while you're benefiting from the service, you clearly have means to contact the original owner.
How stupid you think they are, or how someone else might have reacted in this situation is completely irrelevant.
lol he's not a dick, if i didnt have my own cell phone i might use one if found it also, but it is a risk to use it to call peoeple you know because then if the owner of the phone wanted to question the person you called they could and if there is enough evidence against you they could win a lawsuit. You can either take your chances and use the phone, give it back(if you lost a cell phone you would be extremely happy to have someone return it), or have fun and mass prank call people and the owner of the phone will be blamed for the prank calls, but then the previous posters would be right calling you a dick. =P
On February 21 2007 14:37 IdiotWind wrote: Finders Keepers may apply on the schoolground (perhaps where you spend your time?) but it certainly does not apply in real life.
Return the phone you douche. Keeping it is THEFT because you know who owns it. THEFT IS WRONG. Didn't your parents teach you anything?
My parents were killed when I was 3. Thanks for your enlightening information that I was not aware of. Maybe you should read through a thread before you decide to post.
I also like how you implied I hang out at the school ground. That was very creative.
I can't comprehend why you wouldn't WANT to return the phone to someone who lost it, seeing that you had benefited from some one returning your phone to your before.
On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it.
Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card.
I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?
Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'.
A 'normal' person? You are the lesser person, no matter how amazing and intelligent and modest you are, if you use your 'prowess' to figure out the person's identity, and don't return the phone.
I'm just relieved CharlieMurphy picked up this cell phone and not some asshole who wants to keep it and make unlimited calls at the original owner's expense while knowing the owner's contact information and deliberately avoiding contact with them.
On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it.
Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card.
I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?
Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'.
You're obviously kind of stupid. "I wish I knew some "Law people" "I don't care if I'm being an asshole I only care if it's illegal" "It's like entrapment if they are too stupid to cancel their SIM card"
Oh ok, I guess it's also entrapment when someone leaves their car window open accidentally and you can unlock it and hotwire the car to steal it, but it has a GPS system in it so they can track you to find out who the fuck stole their car.
Why don't you stop being a dumbass and go pay for your own phone, or buy a fucking phone card for $10 with 200 minutes on it, or use internet phone, or something else.
On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it.
Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card.
I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?
Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'.
You're obviously kind of stupid. "I wish I knew some "Law people" "I don't care if I'm being an asshole I only care if it's illegal" "It's like entrapment if they are too stupid to cancel their SIM card"
Oh ok, I guess it's also entrapment when someone leaves their car window open accidentally and you can unlock it and hotwire the car to steal it, but it has a GPS system in it so they can track you to find out who the fuck stole their car.
Why don't you stop being a dumbass and go pay for your own phone, or buy a fucking phone card for $10 with 200 minutes on it, or use internet phone, or something else.
Nothing I said sounded stupid. Your reading comprehension is terrible if you think otherwise.
Its totally different than hot-wiring a car, what the fuck are you talking about?
I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?
Ok, You guys need to lay off with your opinions and name calling. I didn't ask for your 2 cents about why I shouldn't take something that was found broken on the ground. I asked If I could legally use it. Which so far makes sense that I can not legally use it, and I won't.
A major factor in my decision making is that fact that these people who were careless enough to lose their cellphone and not turn off the service might just be some rich pricks who don't give a damn about anyone else. Why should I give a damn about them?
The other thing is that my GF got her car window smashed and her purse was stolen out of her car. The purse had 50 bucks in it, all her makeup and her IDs (including her social security card).
They then created a T-Mobil account with her name and proceeded to make all kinds of middle of the night tweeker phone calls and the bill was sent to her. The police haven't done shit for her so far, which really pisses me off. It pisses me off even more that in order to make a phone account there is a credit check and they MUST take a copy of the persons ID, and it obviously wasn't her. T-mobil is a bunch of fucking money hungry (commission) retards.
Basically, you're a fucking asshole but you refuse to believe it and are trying to justify it with the most pitiful excuses ever. If you're going to act this way, just admit and accept the fact that you're a gigantic asshole with absolutely no ethical standards. I mean basically you'd do the wrong thing if it was legal and the only reason you're not doing it is because it is easily traced and you could be shafted. That's incredibly selfish.
On February 21 2007 14:50 Aphelion02 wrote: I can't comprehend why you wouldn't WANT to return the phone to someone who lost it, seeing that you had benefited from some one returning your phone to your before.
exactly. what goes around comes around. im not religious but my actions are predicated by common sense and knowing what's right and wrong. you've had your phone returned to you, now you're the one being tested. return it.
On February 21 2007 15:31 Klogon wrote: Basically, you're a fucking asshole but you refuse to believe it and are trying to justify it with the most pitiful excuses ever. If you're going to act this way, just admit and accept the fact that you're a gigantic asshole with absolutely no ethical standards. I mean basically you'd do the wrong thing if it was legal and the only reason you're not doing it is because it is easily traced and you could be shafted. That's incredibly selfish.
Grow some nuts and do the right thing.
What does having balls have to do with returning a phone? Do I need to be brave to call someone and go "hi, I found your phone".
And the reason I would keep the phone and use it was because maybe I need it more than they do if they just left it on the floor to be crushed.
My morals are based on law. If I can do it legally why should I feel bad about it?
how do you know they left it on the floor to be crushed? did you leave your phone (on purpose) before it was returned to you? please.
it doesnt matter who was the previous owner of the phone either. even if it was bill gates. how easily they can replace that lost item should not even be entered into the equation. nor is what happened to your sister.
but heck, if you feel that the world is unfair and dont give a damn... why do you even bother seeking absolution here.
On February 21 2007 15:31 Klogon wrote: Basically, you're a fucking asshole but you refuse to believe it and are trying to justify it with the most pitiful excuses ever. If you're going to act this way, just admit and accept the fact that you're a gigantic asshole with absolutely no ethical standards. I mean basically you'd do the wrong thing if it was legal and the only reason you're not doing it is because it is easily traced and you could be shafted. That's incredibly selfish.
Grow some nuts and do the right thing.
What does having balls have to do with returning a phone? Do I need to be brave to call someone and go "hi, I found your phone".
And the reason I would keep the phone and use it was because maybe I need it more than they do if they just left it on the floor to be crushed.
My morals are based on law. If I can do it legally why should I feel bad about it?
oh. so you would also rape little children if it weren't prohibited by laws? ever heard of common sense?
On February 21 2007 15:42 borg wrote: how do you know they left it on the floor to be crushed? did you leave your phone (on purpose) before it was returned to you? please.
it doesnt matter who was the previous owner of the phone either. even if it was bill gates. how easily they can replace that lost item should not even be entered into the equation. nor is what happened to your sister.
but heck, if you feel that the world is unfair and dont give a damn... why do you even bother seeking absolution here.
not my sister, my gf.
And Cpt.obvious, No I would not rape little children if it were legal. I have no desire to. It would never be legal anyways even in the worst of societies. You can't compare shit like that to something like finding a phone on the ground. Its totally unrelated.
On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it.
Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card.
I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?
Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'.
How do you figure it's entrapment if they leave it the sim activated? So basically if i leave a bag of money out on my sidewalk and someone takes it i am entrapping them? Come on. Even if someone is an idiot with their money/sim card, you don't steal.
On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it.
Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card.
I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?
Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'.
How do you figure it's entrapment if they leave it the sim activated? So basically if i leave a bag of money out on my sidewalk and someone takes it i am entrapping them? Come on. Even if someone is an idiot with their money/sim card, you don't steal.
I was comparing it to entrapment, I never said it WAS entrapment. The phone has been sitting dead without a charge for a week or 2 in my friends house and today I plugged it in and the service is not suspended. It seems like either A, they want someone to use the phone so they can catch them and sue them or send them to jail. (which is entirely more fucked up than anything discussed here in this thread) or B they're stupid and don't care, or know that they can suspend the service to defend themselves.
Snowbird, I'm only trying to argue my point at this time, some of these guys are just so brainwashed and closed minded its ridiculous.
On February 21 2007 15:42 borg wrote: how do you know they left it on the floor to be crushed? did you leave your phone (on purpose) before it was returned to you? please.
it doesnt matter who was the previous owner of the phone either. even if it was bill gates. how easily they can replace that lost item should not even be entered into the equation. nor is what happened to your sister.
but heck, if you feel that the world is unfair and dont give a damn... why do you even bother seeking absolution here.
not my sister, my gf.
And Cpt.obvious, No I would not rape little children if it were legal. I have no desire to. It would never be legal anyways even in the worst of societies. You can't compare shit like that to something like finding a phone on the ground. Its totally unrelated.
And Charlie, No I would not use that cellphone i found if it were legal. I have no desire to. It would never occur to me even in the worst scenario. You can't justify shit like that with something like "they are rich so they don't care" or "they are dumb they were asking for it". Its totally retarded.
if the phone was working screen, etc i dont think youd return it and make a thread about it but the way i see it bcuz the screen doesnt work or w/e u wanna make calls, it's up to you to, if the phoen was a awesome phone 100% ud keep it, right?
On February 21 2007 15:42 borg wrote: how do you know they left it on the floor to be crushed? did you leave your phone (on purpose) before it was returned to you? please.
it doesnt matter who was the previous owner of the phone either. even if it was bill gates. how easily they can replace that lost item should not even be entered into the equation. nor is what happened to your sister.
but heck, if you feel that the world is unfair and dont give a damn... why do you even bother seeking absolution here.
not my sister, my gf.
And Cpt.obvious, No I would not rape little children if it were legal. I have no desire to. It would never be legal anyways even in the worst of societies. You can't compare shit like that to something like finding a phone on the ground. Its totally unrelated.
And Charlie, No I would not use that cellphone i found if it were legal. I have no desire to. It would never occur to me even in the worst scenario. You can't justify shit like that with something like "they are rich so they don't care" or "they are dumb they were asking for it". Its totally retarded.
Ok, then thats your loss.
Dude, its a dog-eat-dog world anyone who doesn't cover themselves to the fullest is indeed asking to be fucked over by someone.
On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it.
Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card.
I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?
Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'.
You're obviously kind of stupid. "I wish I knew some "Law people" "I don't care if I'm being an asshole I only care if it's illegal" "It's like entrapment if they are too stupid to cancel their SIM card"
Oh ok, I guess it's also entrapment when someone leaves their car window open accidentally and you can unlock it and hotwire the car to steal it, but it has a GPS system in it so they can track you to find out who the fuck stole their car.
Why don't you stop being a dumbass and go pay for your own phone, or buy a fucking phone card for $10 with 200 minutes on it, or use internet phone, or something else.
Nothing I said sounded stupid. Your reading comprehension is terrible if you think otherwise.
Its totally different than hot-wiring a car, what the fuck are you talking about?
Rofl
If you seriously believe what you have replied to me, then you are a fucking moron. I made an analogy, and you ask what it has to do with anything? It's a fucking analogy, it's a parallel idea with different physical fucking objects. Go back to school you illiterate fuck. You don't support any of the shit you say, you just say it and then call other people stupid. At least I gave you the courtesy of an explanation, but I can see now that you're such a clown that it makes no difference were I to punch you in the face or give you a dissertation.
On February 21 2007 15:54 uK]BosNia wrote: if the phone was working screen, etc i dont think youd return it and make a thread about it but the way i see it bcuz the screen doesnt work or w/e u wanna make calls, it's up to you to, if the phoen was a awesome phone 100% ud keep it, right?
No, its a shitty phone regardless if it was broken or not, I don't want it. I'll probably just toss it in the garbage.
Exactly what the fuck is brainwashed about this situation? You either A) use the phone or B) dont. Are we brainwashed for logically concluding that it is most likely illegal to use someone elses phone service without their permission? I mean what do you want out of this thread, to just have someone tell you what you want to hear? You're the reason people like us have to immediately go and cancel every single credit card/phone bill/utility/account that has personal information related to it when it becomes lost.
You seem to feel this is no big deal because you are under the assumption that they are purposely not canceling their account. Maybe they think the phone is lost. Maybe it belongs to a parents child who is afraid of confessing they lost it. Maybe they live in an area of the city where people return shit. Maybe it is owned by someone who has more than 1 cell phone and has yet to even realize they lost it. Maybe it is owned by someone who has a more important job than you and is so busy they simply havent had the opportunity to decide the best course of action. Maybe it belongs to an old lady who doesnt know wtf to do at all. Maybe they already have canceled it and their provider is simply allowing a grace period of usage until the end of the month.
Just because I leave my door unlocked to my house doesnt mean that you are allowed to walk inside "or else if i didnt want you in i would have locked the doors". Anyway Im not sure if you were ever on my good side or not, but you have instantly ruined any credibility you had with me and probably most of this forum with your faggotry, and I hope I never accidentally talk to you or respond to one of your threads again. And to think, just the other day you were kindly asking for assistance with your ipod. Loser.
On February 21 2007 15:42 borg wrote: how do you know they left it on the floor to be crushed? did you leave your phone (on purpose) before it was returned to you? please.
it doesnt matter who was the previous owner of the phone either. even if it was bill gates. how easily they can replace that lost item should not even be entered into the equation. nor is what happened to your sister.
but heck, if you feel that the world is unfair and dont give a damn... why do you even bother seeking absolution here.
not my sister, my gf.
And Cpt.obvious, No I would not rape little children if it were legal. I have no desire to. It would never be legal anyways even in the worst of societies. You can't compare shit like that to something like finding a phone on the ground. Its totally unrelated.
And Charlie, No I would not use that cellphone i found if it were legal. I have no desire to. It would never occur to me even in the worst scenario. You can't justify shit like that with something like "they are rich so they don't care" or "they are dumb they were asking for it". Its totally retarded.
Ok, then thats your loss.
Dude, its a dog-eat-dog world anyone who doesn't cover themselves to the fullest is indeed asking to be fucked over by someone.
On February 21 2007 14:26 CharlieMurphy wrote: Finally someone who has something important to contribute to the thread. Thanks Brood.
I live in California This phone is a cheapy 20$ one and its broken anyways. Phone details
It can't be considered larceny can it? If I just ditch the SIM card and keep the phone but not use their service?
Seriously! If everone was this egoistic the world would be total shit
I'm pretty sure the world is total shit right now and people are this egotistic (GW Bush?)
On February 21 2007 15:06 Ganfei wrote:
On February 21 2007 13:47 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it.
Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card.
I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?
Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'.
You're obviously kind of stupid. "I wish I knew some "Law people" "I don't care if I'm being an asshole I only care if it's illegal" "It's like entrapment if they are too stupid to cancel their SIM card"
Oh ok, I guess it's also entrapment when someone leaves their car window open accidentally and you can unlock it and hotwire the car to steal it, but it has a GPS system in it so they can track you to find out who the fuck stole their car.
Why don't you stop being a dumbass and go pay for your own phone, or buy a fucking phone card for $10 with 200 minutes on it, or use internet phone, or something else.
Nothing I said sounded stupid. Your reading comprehension is terrible if you think otherwise.
Its totally different than hot-wiring a car, what the fuck are you talking about?
Rofl
If you seriously believe what you have replied to me, then you are a fucking moron. I made an analogy, and you ask what it has to do with anything? It's a fucking analogy, it's a parallel idea with different physical fucking objects. Go back to school you illiterate fuck. You don't support any of the shit you say, you just say it and then call other people stupid. At least I gave you the courtesy of an explanation, but I can see now that you're such a clown that it makes no difference were I to punch you in the face or give you a dissertation.
Like I said there is a huge difference (financially, and physically) from picking up a broken cellphone and making a few calls than climbing into a car, dismantling the steering column and driving away.
On February 21 2007 15:42 borg wrote: how do you know they left it on the floor to be crushed? did you leave your phone (on purpose) before it was returned to you? please.
it doesnt matter who was the previous owner of the phone either. even if it was bill gates. how easily they can replace that lost item should not even be entered into the equation. nor is what happened to your sister.
but heck, if you feel that the world is unfair and dont give a damn... why do you even bother seeking absolution here.
not my sister, my gf.
And Cpt.obvious, No I would not rape little children if it were legal. I have no desire to. It would never be legal anyways even in the worst of societies. You can't compare shit like that to something like finding a phone on the ground. Its totally unrelated.
And Charlie, No I would not use that cellphone i found if it were legal. I have no desire to. It would never occur to me even in the worst scenario. You can't justify shit like that with something like "they are rich so they don't care" or "they are dumb they were asking for it". Its totally retarded.
Ok, then thats your loss.
Dude, its a dog-eat-dog world anyone who doesn't cover themselves to the fullest is indeed asking to be fucked over by someone.
I guess that's why we have laws, that you yourself claim to live by, in place to protect people from getting screwed. Laws are created based on morals, and that's why "schmucks" on this forum are giving you crap.
In the US, "finders keepers" is not the law outside the playground. In order to claim it legally, you must make a reasonable effort to identify and return it to its rightful owner. Given its a phone, that's pretty easy to do.
The answer is Its Illegal. that's not good enough for you? When the answer is "it's illegal" your next question should not be "but can i get away with it?" stop trying to justify it for christ's sake
On February 21 2007 15:42 borg wrote: how do you know they left it on the floor to be crushed? did you leave your phone (on purpose) before it was returned to you? please.
it doesnt matter who was the previous owner of the phone either. even if it was bill gates. how easily they can replace that lost item should not even be entered into the equation. nor is what happened to your sister.
but heck, if you feel that the world is unfair and dont give a damn... why do you even bother seeking absolution here.
not my sister, my gf.
And Cpt.obvious, No I would not rape little children if it were legal. I have no desire to. It would never be legal anyways even in the worst of societies. You can't compare shit like that to something like finding a phone on the ground. Its totally unrelated.
And Charlie, No I would not use that cellphone i found if it were legal. I have no desire to. It would never occur to me even in the worst scenario. You can't justify shit like that with something like "they are rich so they don't care" or "they are dumb they were asking for it". Its totally retarded.
Ok, then thats your loss.
Dude, its a dog-eat-dog world anyone who doesn't cover themselves to the fullest is indeed asking to be fucked over by someone.
lmao go to your neighbors house, the doors unlocked they're asking to be robbed? is it legal? no? oh well will i get caught? omg idk if i should steal all their stuff well as long as its cheap stuff, who cares?
lmao "they're asking to be fucked" are you completely de-void of morals? or do you just come off that way (sorry for three posts. heat of the moment and whatnot.)
On February 21 2007 15:59 NewbSaibot wrote: Exactly what the fuck is brainwashed about this situation? You either A) use the phone or B) dont. Are we brainwashed for logically concluding that it is most likely illegal to use someone elses phone service without their permission? I mean what do you want out of this thread, to just have someone tell you what you want to hear? You're the reason people like us have to immediately go and cancel every single credit card/phone bill/utility/account that has personal information related to it when it becomes lost.
You seem to feel this is no big deal because you are under the assumption that they are purposely not canceling their account. Maybe they think the phone is lost. Maybe it belongs to a parents child who is afraid of confessing they lost it. Maybe they live in an area of the city where people return shit. Maybe it is owned by someone who has more than 1 cell phone and has yet to even realize they lost it. Maybe it is owned by someone who has a more important job than you and is so busy they simply havent had the opportunity to decide the best course of action. Maybe it belongs to an old lady who doesnt know wtf to do at all. Maybe they already have canceled it and their provider is simply allowing a grace period of usage until the end of the month.
Just because I leave my door unlocked to my house doesnt mean that you are allowed to walk inside "or else if i didnt want you in i would have locked the doors". Anyway Im not sure if you were ever on my good side or not, but you have instantly ruined any credibility you had with me and probably most of this forum with your faggotry, and I hope I never accidentally talk to you or respond to one of your threads again. And to think, just the other day you were kindly asking for assistance with your ipod. Loser.
Ok dude, first of all I don't care if anyone thinks its illegal, I care if it IS illegal. I would never fraudulently abuse someones credit or otherwise.
My assumption is based on pure logic. If a phone is lost, you suspend that number on the account, when you find it you reinstate it, simple. If a parent gives a child a phone they better be ready to deal with what can happen if the kid loses,breaks, sells, or whatever with the phone, again suspend the account. The area I found the phone is not a place where people return shit, in fact they don't even live in that area. If they have so many cellphones that they can carelessly lose one maybe they need a reality check. What is so much more important for weeks that they cant simply call customer service and go "hey you know this number, and heres my address, suspend this, its lost". If its an old lady why is she so helpless that she can't report a missing phone to someone when shes 3 cities away? Why do you imply an old lady doesn't know what to do? There is no grace period on canceling or suspending an account. Nobody wants to lose more than they already have, companies cancel that shit ASAP.
Its illegal for me to walk in your house. I wouldn't do that.
My question was 'Is it illegal to use someone's phone I found'. I'm pretty sure it is, and I'm not gonna use it.
On February 21 2007 16:18 Gene wrote: lmao "they're asking to be fucked" are you completely de-void of morals? or do you just come off that way (sorry for three posts. heat of the moment and whatnot.)
Sad as it is man, its the truth.
You guys all seem to have this twisted. I've got just as much sense not to take something as the next guy. It's a matter of why wouldn't I if its legal. If its legal then why would I feel bad about doing it.
haha people stop hating. he's not a bad person, i think the whole discussion took some bad turns, partly because of charliemurphy expressing himself not clearly enough and making some rather rash statements.
we need love! if you preach morals, you also have to spread some love!
my friend had his phone stolen and they EASILY tracked the culprit. The numbers he called were investigates/punished and he was sent to jail for even using the phone a little bit.
Using the phone that isn't urs itself is a big offense.
The next time I see something of value on the ground I'm going to stand up point and yell to show everyone "look someone lost this here, do whatever you want with it" instead of picking it up. Apparently I'm an 'asshole with no moral values' and someone else should pick it up. I trust what the people around me will do with it 100%.
On February 21 2007 16:30 CharlieMurphy wrote: The next time I see something of value on the ground I'm going to stand up point and yell to show everyone "look someone lost this here, do whatever you want with it" instead of picking it up. Apparently I'm an 'asshole with no moral values' and someone else should pick it up.
how about next time you see something on the ground you pick it up and try to give it back to the person who owns it. Especially if its a fucking phone, its really easy to find out who owns it.
I guess you could do that or make a thread on a gaming site asking if its illegal to use other peoples things without their consent.
On February 21 2007 16:30 CharlieMurphy wrote: The next time I see something of value on the ground I'm going to stand up point and yell to show everyone "look someone lost this here, do whatever you want with it" instead of picking it up. Apparently I'm an 'asshole with no moral values' and someone else should pick it up.
how about next time you see something on the ground you pick it up and try to give it back to the person who owns it. Especially if its a fucking phone, its really easy to find out who owns it.
I guess you could do that or make a thread on a gaming site asking if its illegal to use other peoples things without their consent.
Actually its not, The screen is cracked and I can't see anything at all of who it belonged to. There is no way find out who owns it.
What a coincidence. I had lost my credit card, and within 2 days, I had a bill of $1050 worth of random junk. I canceled my credit card, and got the charges taken off. But still that guy STOLE a credit card, and you are doing the same thing. You steal a phone, and use the phone service even though someone else paid for it, for their own personal use. You are stealing. That is illegal. You are no better than the fool who stole my credit card.
On February 21 2007 16:30 CharlieMurphy wrote: The next time I see something of value on the ground I'm going to stand up point and yell to show everyone "look someone lost this here, do whatever you want with it" instead of picking it up. Apparently I'm an 'asshole with no moral values' and someone else should pick it up.
how about next time you see something on the ground you pick it up and try to give it back to the person who owns it. Especially if its a fucking phone, its really easy to find out who owns it.
I guess you could do that or make a thread on a gaming site asking if its illegal to use other peoples things without their consent.
Actually its not, The screen is cracked and I can't see anything at all of who it belonged to. There is no way find out who owns it.
On February 21 2007 16:30 CharlieMurphy wrote: The next time I see something of value on the ground I'm going to stand up point and yell to show everyone "look someone lost this here, do whatever you want with it" instead of picking it up. Apparently I'm an 'asshole with no moral values' and someone else should pick it up.
how about next time you see something on the ground you pick it up and try to give it back to the person who owns it. Especially if its a fucking phone, its really easy to find out who owns it.
I guess you could do that or make a thread on a gaming site asking if its illegal to use other peoples things without their consent.
Actually its not, The screen is cracked and I can't see anything at all of who it belonged to. There is no way find out who owns it.
But you found out. How or why I don't care, but now that you have the information that no longer serves as an excuse not to return it. Except of course, you could just admit your an asshole and you'd probably get away with it. But there is no longer any ground for pretending your a person with any sense of responsibility, consideration, or morals, or that you are just doing what any normal person would do in that situation. You just being a selfish douchebag, pure and simple
Although my personal view on this matter is different from CharlieMurphy's, I believe strongly that everyone is entitled to their own morals. Do not try to force your morals upon another! If you wish to effect a change in somebody's morals, try a more convincing argument than "you are a douchebag."
This kind of social attitude (I don't agree with you, so you are a douchebag) generally does more harm than good. Not that many of you self-righteous bastards give a shit what does harm and what does good, which shows the hipocrisy of some of you people's criticism.
Futhermore, I don't believe that anybody ever has a moral "obligation" to help others. I used to believe this myself, and I have often tried arguing for it, but it simply doesn't work. Such an "obligation" kind of ruins the point, doesn't it? Let us collaborate and gain advantage over those who refuse to, but allow each individual a personal choice to work for or against your cause as they see fit.
Obviously such unbounded freedom as I idealize here is not going to work. People tend to disagree. Sometimes, disagreement causes conflict, and allowing conflict to freely rage across the world can't be good. That's why we have laws. Laws provide a framework that theoretically allows maximum freedom with minimum conflict.
I can understand CharlieMurphy's legal concerns. I don't think he is out to cause a conflict with anyone (disregarding, for the moment, his virtual life, that sometimes consists of trolling internet forums). His morals are none of your business. If you wish, and he doesn't mind, you may debate those with him, but I think you are out of line to start swearing simply because he has an unusual viewpoint.
To answer the original question, yes, it is probably illegal, and you could probably get into trouble. Your utility argument (I need it more than they do) doesn't work in court: in our society, needing something doesn't give you the right to take it. Buying stuff (phone service), with dollars that belong to somebody else, - without that somebody's permission - is larceny.
To answer your other question, why people sometimes go out of their way to help others: because, someday, they might find themselves in a position to need help, and then someone they have helped in the past might offer it. Sure, you might never hear from these people again, but then again, you might need them someday. Whether you believe in karma or not, the way you treat other people tends to come back to you. That's why.
And, besides that (and I think this goes for many of us) I'd give you a few respect points too, if you grew some balls and stuck up for friend and neighbour. Especially since you or people close to you seem to have been wronged in the past.
On February 21 2007 16:41 MarcX wrote: Although my personal view on this matter is different from CharlieMurphy's, I believe strongly that everyone is entitled to their own morals. Do not try to force your morals upon another! If you wish to effect a change in somebody's morals, try a more convincing argument than "you are a douchebag."
This kind of social attitude (I don't agree with you, so you are a douchebag) generally does more harm than good. Not that many of you self-righteous bastards give a shit what does harm and what does good, which shows the hipocrisy of some of you people's criticism.
Futhermore, I don't believe that anybody ever has a moral "obligation" to help others. I used to believe this myself, and I have often tried arguing for it, but it simply doesn't work. Such an "obligation" kind of ruins the point, doesn't it? Let us collaborate and gain advantage over those who refuse to, but allow each individual a personal choice to work for or against your cause as they see fit.
Obviously such unbounded freedom as I idealize here is not going to work. People tend to disagree. Sometimes, disagreement causes conflict, and allowing conflict to freely rage across the world can't be good. That's why we have laws. Laws provide a framework that theoretically allows maximum freedom with minimum conflict.
I can understand CharlieMurphy's legal concerns. I don't think he is out to cause a conflict with anyone (disregarding, for the moment, his virtual life, that sometimes consists of trolling internet forums). His morals are none of your business. If you wish, and he doesn't mind, you may debate those with him, but I think you are out of line to start swearing simply because he has an unusual viewpoint.
To answer the original question, yes, it is probably illegal, and you could probably get into trouble. Your utility argument (I need it more than they do) doesn't work in court: in our society, needing something doesn't give you the right to take it. Buying stuff (phone service), with dollars that belong to somebody else, - without that somebody's permission - is larceny.
To answer your other question, why people sometimes go out of their way to help others: because, someday, they might find themselves in a position to need help, and then someone they have helped in the past might offer it. Sure, you might never hear from these people again, but then again, you might need them someday. Whether you believe in karma or not, the way you treat other people tends to come back to you. That's why.
And, besides that (and I think this goes for many of us) I'd give you a few respect points too, if you grew some balls and stuck up for friend and neighbour. Especially since you or people close to you seem to have been wronged in the past.
Obviously I can't combine words as well as this guy can. But he is basically saying what I have been trying to say. You're all wrong for saying I'm wrong just because you think so.
no we're not they're called morals, norms, just your every day common decency. How do you think laws are made? People feel a certain way, and it's usually the right way.
we're right because you're the kind of person that makes the world a bad place and one that you envision. obviously it's easy for you to say everyone's asking to get fucked when you'd just as quickly fuck someone.
and yes, yes i did. it's a rareity i ever agree with anything MarkX has to say.
He also pointed out it was illegal, and that we're all right for calling you a pile of shit.
Don't FORCE your morals on another person? FUCKING HOLY SHIT.
Well it is my moral that you give me 100$ on PS right now. WHo are you to tell me otherwise? I mean, don't tell me my morals are wrong. They are mine. And how dare you force your morals on me. Now gimme gimme.
Charlie, I don't know what to tell you man. Being in a position where I feel I'm the only one that is right isn't very fun for me at all. I just deal with it, but I heed other's advice on why I am wrong.
Good deeds do well for everything. If you give it back to some old lady you might get cookies. And let's be honest, what would you rather have, cookies or a broken cell phone? I would opt for the cookies.
I know it's elementary, but it appears that is what you need at the moment.
On February 21 2007 16:41 MarcX wrote: Although my personal view on this matter is different from CharlieMurphy's, I believe strongly that everyone is entitled to their own morals. Do not try to force your morals upon another! If you wish to effect a change in somebody's morals, try a more convincing argument than "you are a douchebag."
No one is forcing their morals on him. No one can make him do something or believe something he doesn't wish to. But it is equally our right to express our disapproval and disagreement. Morality is not purely a private matter, it has close ties to civic culture and public debate. Many people would consider not criticizing such behavior when they see it immoral in itself.
This kind of social attitude (I don't agree with you, so you are a douchebag) generally does more harm than good. Not that many of you self-righteous bastards give a shit what does harm and what does good, which shows the hipocrisy of some of you people's criticism.
People here are not just calling him out because they have a disagreement with him; it happens to be that his views would make him someone very unpleasant for most of us to be around in real life, or some one we would rather not associate with or make friends with. One of the terms we usually use for some one like that is "douchebag". Its not mindless insults we're throwing out there, we're also stating the flat truth.
Futhermore, I don't believe that anybody ever has a moral "obligation" to help others. I used to believe this myself, and I have often tried arguing for it, but it simply doesn't work. Such an "obligation" kind of ruins the point, doesn't it? Let us collaborate and gain advantage over those who refuse to, but allow each individual a personal choice to work for or against your cause as they see fit.
Obviously such unbounded freedom as I idealize here is not going to work. People tend to disagree. Sometimes, disagreement causes conflict, and allowing conflict to freely rage across the world can't be good. That's why we have laws. Laws provide a framework that theoretically allows maximum freedom with minimum conflict.
Its might not be an moral obligation, but it certainly is a moral choice. And your choice reflects your character. Coming together with the choice is also responsibility, which means you should have balls to own up to what that choice reflects of you as a person and not try to invent ingenuous reasons to have the best of both worlds. If your willing to do something that assholish, don't bristle when people call you an asshole.
I can understand CharlieMurphy's legal concerns. I don't think he is out to cause a conflict with anyone (disregarding, for the moment, his virtual life, that sometimes consists of trolling internet forums). His morals are none of your business. If you wish, and he doesn't mind, you may debate those with him, but I think you are out of line to start swearing simply because he has an unusual viewpoint.
Again, morals are not purely a private matter, and the fact that he posted this situation on a public situation makes it fair game for us to comment on his behavior. He has his right to his beliefs, but we have just as much right to criticize it.
As you are walking in the street you suddenly see a half-broken phone on the sidewalk. What do you do?
(A) Try to get in contact with the owner. Find him and give it back. (B) Walk on. not my business. (C) Destroy the Phone. Clearly the most fair thing for everybody involved. (D) Take it. Tough luck for the owner, he should know it's a dog-eat-dog world. (E) Take it with you, search the internet for what punishments there are and compare them to the chance of getting caught. Proceed to call as much as possible for the owners money.
I agree with most of what you said. I acknowledge the importance of criticism and public debate, however, I disagree with the approach most people here take.
There is hardly any debate, nor is there any constructive criticism. This is a crusade to take verbal revenge for wrongs he hasn't even commited.
Not only does this needlessly feed the hatred, it makes obvious that it's nobody's goal here to effect a change in his behavior or morals.
hmm, to be honest I'd most likely just leave it and walk on, figuring it wasnt worth my time If i found a cell in the cab though, I'd try to get it back to the owner
On February 21 2007 15:31 Klogon wrote: Basically, you're a fucking asshole but you refuse to believe it and are trying to justify it with the most pitiful excuses ever. If you're going to act this way, just admit and accept the fact that you're a gigantic asshole with absolutely no ethical standards. I mean basically you'd do the wrong thing if it was legal and the only reason you're not doing it is because it is easily traced and you could be shafted. That's incredibly selfish.
Grow some nuts and do the right thing.
What does having balls have to do with returning a phone? Do I need to be brave to call someone and go "hi, I found your phone".
And the reason I would keep the phone and use it was because maybe I need it more than they do if they just left it on the floor to be crushed.
My morals are based on law. If I can do it legally why should I feel bad about it?
morals are not based on law, law is put in place for fucktards like you who have no sense of common decency and so have to be forced to act in a somewhat civil manner.
One of these days, karma, retribution or w/e the hell it may be is going to come around and knock you flat on your ass and you will have no idea what to do. And hopefully you will make a thread about it.
@marcx, i think it's not that everyone is trying to flame the poor guy for being diff, i think the worst side is shown when people are frustrated by the fact that he doesnt seem to acknowledge the validity of the arguments and instead tries to propose ways to justify himself. underneath it all, i think people do want to help, but not everyone has the patience or the ability to express themselves succintly.
i voted B, though on good days i might do A. call it a product of today's insanity where you can be sued for trying to save someone's life. who knows, maybe the phone is part of a crime scene. (i'm not going to pick it up to see find bloodstains)
On February 21 2007 15:34 CharlieMurphy wrote: My morals are based on law. If I can do it legally why should I feel bad about it?
Oh really? So I guess all the people who fought for the abolition of slavery in the states were stupid because slavery was legal and they could have just enjoyed it, eh? Same with civil rights.
Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. And just because something is illegal doesn't make it wrong, either. Being 100% right by the law doesn't necessarily make you a good person.
1. Return the phone, be happy with yourself and your decision. Or. 2. Don't return the phone, use it, and probably still be happy with yourself.
That's all that matters. If you don't find a problem in keeping and using the phone in question, who are we to tell you otherwise? You're obviously not going to change your mind based on what we say. You disregard everything anyone says, so why are you even here?
On February 21 2007 17:50 ~AreS] wrote: Why is this thread still going?
1. Return the phone, be happy with yourself and your decision. Or. 2. Don't return the phone, use it, and probably still be happy with yourself.
That's all that matters. If you don't find a problem in keeping and using the phone in question, who are we to tell you otherwise? You're obviously not going to change your mind based on what we say. You disregard everything anyone says, so why are you even here?
Well, how would you prove that you found it as opposed to stealing it? And yes, it is illegal... Legally speaking, when you find something you're supposed to turn it into the police and then after a given amount of time, if nobody claims it, only then can you keep it.
On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it.
Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card.
I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?
Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'.
How do you figure it's entrapment if they leave it the sim activated? So basically if i leave a bag of money out on my sidewalk and someone takes it i am entrapping them? Come on. Even if someone is an idiot with their money/sim card, you don't steal.
I was comparing it to entrapment, I never said it WAS entrapment. The phone has been sitting dead without a charge for a week or 2 in my friends house and today I plugged it in and the service is not suspended. It seems like either A, they want someone to use the phone so they can catch them and sue them or send them to jail. (which is entirely more fucked up than anything discussed here in this thread) or B they're stupid and don't care, or know that they can suspend the service to defend themselves.
Snowbird, I'm only trying to argue my point at this time, some of these guys are just so brainwashed and closed minded its ridiculous.
So the fact that they don't realize the workings of cell phones gives you the right to steal from them? I just don't understand how you can possibly be arguing this. If you just bought a phone, got it directly from their carrier (which most non-poweruser people do), then you probably have no idea what a sim is or how your service is tracked. Imagine the situation.
And even if they are trying to "entrap you" by leaving their phone on/stolen (which would probably would not result in any sort of gain for them because they waited till you used it to report the robbery, 1-2 weeks), that is even more reason for you to return it.
Don't waste more time arguing your point. Admit that you were wrong about thinking about keeping the phone, and just return it.
ive got a spledid idea: stop being a deuche and either give it back or get the thing. the next step would be to get a fucking job so you can get your own phone you freeloading fuck.
The fact that you even had to ask this question, and did not know what the correct thing to do instantly, says very unpleasant things about your parents and their ability to raise a child.
People should have to pass an exam to have children.
On February 21 2007 18:19 Manifesto7 wrote: The fact that you even had to ask this question, and did not know what the correct thing to do instantly, says very unpleasant things about your parents and their ability to raise a child.
People should have to pass an exam to have children.
according to him his parents died when he was 3. Wish I could say I am sorry but there is no law forcing me to feel bad for him so I dont.
Dude. you don't use it not because it is wrong, not because it is illegal, and the motivation for giving it back is not because there might be a reward.
You give it back because that is what you would want someone to do if you lost your phone. This is how the world becomes a better place.
I just found an old thread that looks seriously cracked and broken up. Should I just move on and ignore it and should I do the decent thing and give it a bump?
Return the fucking phone u douchebag. Holy shit i can totally see a scenario where a baby is drowning in a river, Murphy sees it but has to make a thread first to ask for people's opinion if hes gonna get a reward.
Man theres a lotta dumbasses online.
I lost my phone and my wallet in a matter of 2 weeks before. My dad took care of cancelling my cards and everything, but uh ave no fucking idea what it feels like to have shit missing. Ur constantly worrying where it could be, what happened to it etc. Plus stuff like a phone is so useful nowadays it's hard to live without it on your pocket. It was such a pain in the ass looking for my phone and wallet, getting new phone and wallet, cards, dmv license, and all that.
On February 22 2007 00:10 BrutalMenace wrote: Ok mr Murphy lets be diplomatic here....
Return the fucking phone u douchebag. Holy shit i can totally see a scenario where a baby is drowning in a river, Murphy sees it but has to make a thread first to ask for people's opinion if hes gonna get a reward.
Man theres a lotta dumbasses online.
I lost my phone and my wallet in a matter of 2 weeks before. My dad took care of cancelling my cards and everything, but uh ave no fucking idea what it feels like to have shit missing. Ur constantly worrying where it could be, what happened to it etc. Plus stuff like a phone is so useful nowadays it's hard to live without it on your pocket. It was such a pain in the ass looking for my phone and wallet, getting new phone and wallet, cards, dmv license, and all that.
Your taking the wrong tack here. Its pretty obvious that CharlieMurphy could care less about the suffering of another person who might really miss the phone, all he cares about is how much benefit he can get away with. His monumental selfishness is only amplified by the fact that he was once in the shoes of someone who lost a phone, and a kind hearted person actually gave it back to him.
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