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Hydrolisko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Vanuatu1659 Posts
February 21 2007 07:01 GMT
#81
how is this even a question? wtf...
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
February 21 2007 07:02 GMT
#82
On February 21 2007 15:57 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2007 15:54 Cpt Obvious wrote:
On February 21 2007 15:44 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On February 21 2007 15:42 borg wrote:
how do you know they left it on the floor to be crushed? did you leave your phone (on purpose) before it was returned to you? please.

it doesnt matter who was the previous owner of the phone either. even if it was bill gates. how easily they can replace that lost item should not even be entered into the equation. nor is what happened to your sister.

but heck, if you feel that the world is unfair and dont give a damn... why do you even bother seeking absolution here.

not my sister, my gf.

And Cpt.obvious, No I would not rape little children if it were legal. I have no desire to. It would never be legal anyways even in the worst of societies. You can't compare shit like that to something like finding a phone on the ground. Its totally unrelated.

And Charlie, No I would not use that cellphone i found if it were legal. I have no desire to. It would never occur to me even in the worst scenario. You can't justify shit like that with something like "they are rich so they don't care" or "they are dumb they were asking for it". Its totally retarded.


Ok, then thats your loss.

Dude, its a dog-eat-dog world anyone who doesn't cover themselves to the fullest is indeed asking to be fucked over by someone.

lol <3

"It's me against the world!"
Enter a Uh
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
February 21 2007 07:03 GMT
#83
On February 21 2007 15:58 Ganfei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2007 15:18 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On February 21 2007 15:01 jtan wrote:
On February 21 2007 14:26 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Finally someone who has something important to contribute to the thread. Thanks Brood.

I live in California This phone is a cheapy 20$ one and its broken anyways. Phone details

It can't be considered larceny can it? If I just ditch the SIM card and keep the phone but not use their service?

Seriously! If everone was this egoistic the world would be total shit


I'm pretty sure the world is total shit right now and people are this egotistic (GW Bush?)
On February 21 2007 15:06 Ganfei wrote:
On February 21 2007 13:47 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it.


Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card.

I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?


Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'.


You're obviously kind of stupid. "I wish I knew some "Law people" "I don't care if I'm being an asshole I only care if it's illegal" "It's like entrapment if they are too stupid to cancel their SIM card"

Oh ok, I guess it's also entrapment when someone leaves their car window open accidentally and you can unlock it and hotwire the car to steal it, but it has a GPS system in it so they can track you to find out who the fuck stole their car.

Why don't you stop being a dumbass and go pay for your own phone, or buy a fucking phone card for $10 with 200 minutes on it, or use internet phone, or something else.


Nothing I said sounded stupid. Your reading comprehension is terrible if you think otherwise.

Its totally different than hot-wiring a car, what the fuck are you talking about?


Rofl

If you seriously believe what you have replied to me, then you are a fucking moron. I made an analogy, and you ask what it has to do with anything? It's a fucking analogy, it's a parallel idea with different physical fucking objects. Go back to school you illiterate fuck. You don't support any of the shit you say, you just say it and then call other people stupid. At least I gave you the courtesy of an explanation, but I can see now that you're such a clown that it makes no difference were I to punch you in the face or give you a dissertation.


Like I said there is a huge difference (financially, and physically) from picking up a broken cellphone and making a few calls than climbing into a car, dismantling the steering column and driving away.

..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
pansy
Profile Joined November 2005
United States309 Posts
February 21 2007 07:03 GMT
#84
On February 21 2007 15:57 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2007 15:54 Cpt Obvious wrote:
On February 21 2007 15:44 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On February 21 2007 15:42 borg wrote:
how do you know they left it on the floor to be crushed? did you leave your phone (on purpose) before it was returned to you? please.

it doesnt matter who was the previous owner of the phone either. even if it was bill gates. how easily they can replace that lost item should not even be entered into the equation. nor is what happened to your sister.

but heck, if you feel that the world is unfair and dont give a damn... why do you even bother seeking absolution here.

not my sister, my gf.

And Cpt.obvious, No I would not rape little children if it were legal. I have no desire to. It would never be legal anyways even in the worst of societies. You can't compare shit like that to something like finding a phone on the ground. Its totally unrelated.

And Charlie, No I would not use that cellphone i found if it were legal. I have no desire to. It would never occur to me even in the worst scenario. You can't justify shit like that with something like "they are rich so they don't care" or "they are dumb they were asking for it". Its totally retarded.


Ok, then thats your loss.

Dude, its a dog-eat-dog world anyone who doesn't cover themselves to the fullest is indeed asking to be fucked over by someone.


I guess that's why we have laws, that you yourself claim to live by, in place to protect people from getting screwed. Laws are created based on morals, and that's why "schmucks" on this forum are giving you crap.
ChoboCop
Profile Joined July 2004
United States954 Posts
February 21 2007 07:07 GMT
#85
On February 21 2007 15:57 CharlieMurphy wrote:

Ok, then thats your loss.

Dude, its a dog-eat-dog world anyone who doesn't cover themselves to the fullest is indeed asking to be fucked over by someone.


YOU HAVE BORDERLINE PERSONALITY DISORDER.
Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered.
testpat
Profile Joined November 2003
United States565 Posts
February 21 2007 07:08 GMT
#86
In the US, "finders keepers" is not the law outside the playground. In order to claim it legally, you must make a reasonable effort to identify and return it to its rightful owner. Given its a phone, that's pretty easy to do.

Will you get caught? - probably not.
Suppose I don't know taste of common salt & I want to know it.
Cpt Obvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany3073 Posts
February 21 2007 07:12 GMT
#87
On February 21 2007 15:57 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Ok, then thats your loss.

Dude, its a dog-eat-dog world anyone who doesn't cover themselves to the fullest is indeed asking to be fucked over by someone.


Nobody ever reads signatures of people like me, do they?
zizou21
Profile Joined September 2006
United States3683 Posts
February 21 2007 07:13 GMT
#88
give the fone back -_-

morality pls -_-
its me, tasteless,s roomate LOL!
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9618 Posts
February 21 2007 07:15 GMT
#89
The answer is Its Illegal. that's not good enough for you?
When the answer is "it's illegal" your next question should not be "but can i get away with it?"
stop trying to justify it for christ's sake
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9618 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-21 07:17:01
February 21 2007 07:16 GMT
#90
On February 21 2007 15:57 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2007 15:54 Cpt Obvious wrote:
On February 21 2007 15:44 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On February 21 2007 15:42 borg wrote:
how do you know they left it on the floor to be crushed? did you leave your phone (on purpose) before it was returned to you? please.

it doesnt matter who was the previous owner of the phone either. even if it was bill gates. how easily they can replace that lost item should not even be entered into the equation. nor is what happened to your sister.

but heck, if you feel that the world is unfair and dont give a damn... why do you even bother seeking absolution here.

not my sister, my gf.

And Cpt.obvious, No I would not rape little children if it were legal. I have no desire to. It would never be legal anyways even in the worst of societies. You can't compare shit like that to something like finding a phone on the ground. Its totally unrelated.

And Charlie, No I would not use that cellphone i found if it were legal. I have no desire to. It would never occur to me even in the worst scenario. You can't justify shit like that with something like "they are rich so they don't care" or "they are dumb they were asking for it". Its totally retarded.


Ok, then thats your loss.

Dude, its a dog-eat-dog world anyone who doesn't cover themselves to the fullest is indeed asking to be fucked over by someone.



lmao
go to your neighbors house, the doors unlocked
they're asking to be robbed?
is it legal?
no? oh well
will i get caught?
omg idk if i should steal all their stuff
well as long as its cheap stuff, who cares?
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9618 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-21 07:20:56
February 21 2007 07:18 GMT
#91
lmao "they're asking to be fucked"
are you completely de-void of morals? or do you just come off that way
(sorry for three posts. heat of the moment and whatnot.)
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
February 21 2007 07:20 GMT
#92
On February 21 2007 15:59 NewbSaibot wrote:
Exactly what the fuck is brainwashed about this situation? You either A) use the phone or B) dont. Are we brainwashed for logically concluding that it is most likely illegal to use someone elses phone service without their permission? I mean what do you want out of this thread, to just have someone tell you what you want to hear? You're the reason people like us have to immediately go and cancel every single credit card/phone bill/utility/account that has personal information related to it when it becomes lost.

You seem to feel this is no big deal because you are under the assumption that they are purposely not canceling their account. Maybe they think the phone is lost. Maybe it belongs to a parents child who is afraid of confessing they lost it. Maybe they live in an area of the city where people return shit. Maybe it is owned by someone who has more than 1 cell phone and has yet to even realize they lost it. Maybe it is owned by someone who has a more important job than you and is so busy they simply havent had the opportunity to decide the best course of action. Maybe it belongs to an old lady who doesnt know wtf to do at all. Maybe they already have canceled it and their provider is simply allowing a grace period of usage until the end of the month.

Just because I leave my door unlocked to my house doesnt mean that you are allowed to walk inside "or else if i didnt want you in i would have locked the doors". Anyway Im not sure if you were ever on my good side or not, but you have instantly ruined any credibility you had with me and probably most of this forum with your faggotry, and I hope I never accidentally talk to you or respond to one of your threads again. And to think, just the other day you were kindly asking for assistance with your ipod. Loser.


Ok dude, first of all I don't care if anyone thinks its illegal, I care if it IS illegal. I would never fraudulently abuse someones credit or otherwise.

My assumption is based on pure logic. If a phone is lost, you suspend that number on the account, when you find it you reinstate it, simple. If a parent gives a child a phone they better be ready to deal with what can happen if the kid loses,breaks, sells, or whatever with the phone, again suspend the account. The area I found the phone is not a place where people return shit, in fact they don't even live in that area. If they have so many cellphones that they can carelessly lose one maybe they need a reality check. What is so much more important for weeks that they cant simply call customer service and go "hey you know this number, and heres my address, suspend this, its lost". If its an old lady why is she so helpless that she can't report a missing phone to someone when shes 3 cities away? Why do you imply an old lady doesn't know what to do? There is no grace period on canceling or suspending an account. Nobody wants to lose more than they already have, companies cancel that shit ASAP.

Its illegal for me to walk in your house. I wouldn't do that.

My question was 'Is it illegal to use someone's phone I found'. I'm pretty sure it is, and I'm not gonna use it.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-21 07:25:20
February 21 2007 07:22 GMT
#93
On February 21 2007 16:18 Gene wrote:
lmao "they're asking to be fucked"
are you completely de-void of morals? or do you just come off that way
(sorry for three posts. heat of the moment and whatnot.)

Sad as it is man, its the truth.

You guys all seem to have this twisted. I've got just as much sense not to take something as the next guy. It's a matter of why wouldn't I if its legal. If its legal then why would I feel bad about doing it.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
February 21 2007 07:23 GMT
#94
haha people stop hating.
he's not a bad person, i think the whole discussion took some bad turns, partly because of charliemurphy expressing himself not clearly enough and making some rather rash statements.

we need love! if you preach morals, you also have to spread some love!
@riotsnowbird
Yizuo
Profile Joined December 2004
Germany1537 Posts
February 21 2007 07:26 GMT
#95
give it back wtf
Aphelion
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States2720 Posts
February 21 2007 07:28 GMT
#96
On February 21 2007 16:22 CharlieMurphy wrote:
If its legal then why would I feel bad about doing it.


Cuz its wrong, douchebag.
But Garimto was always more than just a Protoss...
NokCha
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)410 Posts
February 21 2007 07:29 GMT
#97
my friend had his phone stolen and they EASILY tracked the culprit. The numbers he called were investigates/punished and he was sent to jail for even using the phone a little bit.

Using the phone that isn't urs itself is a big offense.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-21 07:32:55
February 21 2007 07:30 GMT
#98
The next time I see something of value on the ground I'm going to stand up point and yell to show everyone "look someone lost this here, do whatever you want with it" instead of picking it up. Apparently I'm an 'asshole with no moral values' and someone else should pick it up. I trust what the people around me will do with it 100%.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
February 21 2007 07:32 GMT
#99
On February 21 2007 16:28 Aphelion02 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2007 16:22 CharlieMurphy wrote:
If its legal then why would I feel bad about doing it.


Cuz its wrong, douchebag.


If the law doesn't say its wrong why do you say its wrong? Thats my point 'douchebag'.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
February 21 2007 07:33 GMT
#100
On February 21 2007 16:30 CharlieMurphy wrote:
The next time I see something of value on the ground I'm going to stand up point and yell to show everyone "look someone lost this here, do whatever you want with it" instead of picking it up. Apparently I'm an 'asshole with no moral values' and someone else should pick it up.


how about next time you see something on the ground you pick it up and try to give it back to the person who owns it. Especially if its a fucking phone, its really easy to find out who owns it.

I guess you could do that or make a thread on a gaming site asking if its illegal to use other peoples things without their consent.
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