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Cpt Obvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany3073 Posts
February 21 2007 07:57 GMT
#121
On February 21 2007 16:55 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
OH SHIT. Criticism debunked! Cpt. Obvious would wish to find it!

NICE GOING OBVIOUS now we lost! and CharlieMurphy won!


nope. i would give it back to him, smile at him, turn and leave. easy as that. karma dude~
Nobody ever reads signatures of people like me, do they?
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9618 Posts
February 21 2007 07:58 GMT
#122
*Pushes WHISPER MOD BUTTON that we dont have*
this thread really needs a closing
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-21 08:00:42
February 21 2007 08:00 GMT
#123
As you are walking in the street you suddenly see a half-broken phone on the sidewalk. What do you do?

(A) Try to get in contact with the owner. Find him and give it back.
(B) Walk on. not my business.
(C) Destroy the Phone. Clearly the most fair thing for everybody involved.
(D) Take it. Tough luck for the owner, he should know it's a dog-eat-dog world.
(E) Take it with you, search the internet for what punishments there are and compare them to the chance of getting caught. Proceed to call as much as possible for the owners money.

[image loading]

Poll: What do you do?
(Vote): A
(Vote): B
(Vote): C
(Vote): D
(Vote): E

Enter a Uh
DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
February 21 2007 08:11 GMT
#124
morals rock (voted A)
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4612 Posts
February 21 2007 08:15 GMT
#125
Duh, its E ez!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?viewdays=0&show_part=5 <--- Articles Section on TL
DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
February 21 2007 08:20 GMT
#126
i just can't see why the CharlieMurphy doesn't see why this is wrong T_T
MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
February 21 2007 08:21 GMT
#127
Aphelion,

I agree with most of what you said. I acknowledge the importance of criticism and public debate, however, I disagree with the approach most people here take.

There is hardly any debate, nor is there any constructive criticism. This is a crusade to take verbal revenge for wrongs he hasn't even commited.

Not only does this needlessly feed the hatred, it makes obvious that it's nobody's goal here to effect a change in his behavior or morals.
«A fool and his freedom are soon parted» ~ Richard Stallman, Founder FSF
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
February 21 2007 08:35 GMT
#128
hmm, to be honest I'd most likely just leave it and walk on, figuring it wasnt worth my time
If i found a cell in the cab though, I'd try to get it back to the owner
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 21 2007 08:35 GMT
#129
On February 21 2007 15:34 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2007 15:31 Klogon wrote:
Basically, you're a fucking asshole but you refuse to believe it and are trying to justify it with the most pitiful excuses ever. If you're going to act this way, just admit and accept the fact that you're a gigantic asshole with absolutely no ethical standards. I mean basically you'd do the wrong thing if it was legal and the only reason you're not doing it is because it is easily traced and you could be shafted. That's incredibly selfish.

Grow some nuts and do the right thing.


What does having balls have to do with returning a phone? Do I need to be brave to call someone and go "hi, I found your phone".

And the reason I would keep the phone and use it was because maybe I need it more than they do if they just left it on the floor to be crushed.

My morals are based on law. If I can do it legally why should I feel bad about it?

morals are not based on law, law is put in place for fucktards like you who have no sense of common decency and so have to be forced to act in a somewhat civil manner.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 21 2007 08:36 GMT
#130
One of these days, karma, retribution or w/e the hell it may be is going to come around and knock you flat on your ass and you will have no idea what to do. And hopefully you will make a thread about it.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
borg
Profile Joined September 2005
171 Posts
February 21 2007 08:46 GMT
#131
@marcx, i think it's not that everyone is trying to flame the poor guy for being diff, i think the worst side is shown when people are frustrated by the fact that he doesnt seem to acknowledge the validity of the arguments and instead tries to propose ways to justify himself. underneath it all, i think people do want to help, but not everyone has the patience or the ability to express themselves succintly.

i voted B, though on good days i might do A. call it a product of today's insanity where you can be sued for trying to save someone's life. who knows, maybe the phone is part of a crime scene. (i'm not going to pick it up to see find bloodstains)

completely situational, of course.
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
February 21 2007 08:48 GMT
#132
All I have to say is that the OP is pathetic.
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
February 21 2007 08:49 GMT
#133
On February 21 2007 15:34 CharlieMurphy wrote:
My morals are based on law. If I can do it legally why should I feel bad about it?

Oh really? So I guess all the people who fought for the abolition of slavery in the states were stupid because slavery was legal and they could have just enjoyed it, eh? Same with civil rights.

Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. And just because something is illegal doesn't make it wrong, either. Being 100% right by the law doesn't necessarily make you a good person.
~AreS]
Profile Joined March 2005
Canada2170 Posts
February 21 2007 08:50 GMT
#134
Why is this thread still going?

1. Return the phone, be happy with yourself and your decision.
Or.
2. Don't return the phone, use it, and probably still be happy with yourself.

That's all that matters. If you don't find a problem in keeping and using the phone in question, who are we to tell you otherwise? You're obviously not going to change your mind based on what we say. You disregard everything anyone says, so why are you even here?

Do whatever you want.
Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
February 21 2007 08:55 GMT
#135
On February 21 2007 17:50 ~AreS] wrote:
Why is this thread still going?

1. Return the phone, be happy with yourself and your decision.
Or.
2. Don't return the phone, use it, and probably still be happy with yourself.

That's all that matters. If you don't find a problem in keeping and using the phone in question, who are we to tell you otherwise? You're obviously not going to change your mind based on what we say. You disregard everything anyone says, so why are you even here?

Do whatever you want.


Pretty much sums everything up

ok dont not so good something is something ok ok ok gogogo
itemlock
Profile Joined January 2007
United States256 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-21 09:04:06
February 21 2007 09:03 GMT
#136
Well, how would you prove that you found it as opposed to stealing it? And yes, it is illegal... Legally speaking, when you find something you're supposed to turn it into the police and then after a given amount of time, if nobody claims it, only then can you keep it.
???
sith
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2474 Posts
February 21 2007 09:07 GMT
#137
On February 21 2007 15:49 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2007 15:47 sith wrote:
On February 21 2007 13:47 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On February 21 2007 13:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Yes, it's illegal. The calls you make are going to that persons bill. Thus you are then stealing. Return it.


Yes, but any smart person would suspend the service for the SIM card. If they don't turn it off its their fault. If they just leave it on and wait for someone to use the service thats like entrapment. Besides I don't have to return the phone. I just don't have to use their sim card.

I have lost my phone before and had it returned and I didn't give that person shit. Why should I go out of my way and return it to them (especially since a normal person would not have been able to figure out who owned the phone)?


Man I wish I knew some Law people who weren't biased towards karma and 'doing the right thing'.


How do you figure it's entrapment if they leave it the sim activated? So basically if i leave a bag of money out on my sidewalk and someone takes it i am entrapping them? Come on. Even if someone is an idiot with their money/sim card, you don't steal.


I was comparing it to entrapment, I never said it WAS entrapment. The phone has been sitting dead without a charge for a week or 2 in my friends house and today I plugged it in and the service is not suspended. It seems like either A, they want someone to use the phone so they can catch them and sue them or send them to jail. (which is entirely more fucked up than anything discussed here in this thread) or B they're stupid and don't care, or know that they can suspend the service to defend themselves.

Snowbird,
I'm only trying to argue my point at this time, some of these guys are just so brainwashed and closed minded its ridiculous.


So the fact that they don't realize the workings of cell phones gives you the right to steal from them? I just don't understand how you can possibly be arguing this. If you just bought a phone, got it directly from their carrier (which most non-poweruser people do), then you probably have no idea what a sim is or how your service is tracked. Imagine the situation.

And even if they are trying to "entrap you" by leaving their phone on/stolen (which would probably would not result in any sort of gain for them because they waited till you used it to report the robbery, 1-2 weeks), that is even more reason for you to return it.

Don't waste more time arguing your point. Admit that you were wrong about thinking about keeping the phone, and just return it.
~AreS]
Profile Joined March 2005
Canada2170 Posts
February 21 2007 09:13 GMT
#138
On February 21 2007 18:03 itemlock wrote:
Well, how would you prove that you found it as opposed to stealing it?

Habeas Corpus?
j0ehoe
Profile Joined September 2006
United States2705 Posts
February 21 2007 09:19 GMT
#139
ive got a spledid idea: stop being a deuche and either give it back or get the thing. the next step would be to get a fucking job so you can get your own phone you freeloading fuck.
Only communists disconnect.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
February 21 2007 09:19 GMT
#140
The fact that you even had to ask this question, and did not know what the correct thing to do instantly, says very unpleasant things about your parents and their ability to raise a child.

People should have to pass an exam to have children.
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