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BfA Community Links: GP : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/KKMpKPSlgd?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/v9x5bAF3jD?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/ALwgJnC5Wo?region=EU&faction=Alliance TLNAH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/vPrmjJxiVnJ?region=US&faction=Horde TLNAA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/YeZj7P0SXLn?region=US&faction=Alliance Bnet: Bnet - https://blizzard.com/invite/amvLM0EubJv On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote: I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother. Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion. Form Spreadsheet If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On December 16 2016 04:53 Rebs wrote: ...5 weeks farming nightbane.. 7 weeks farming Shade, no mount and no trinket. Fuck.. my... life. Add this to Sepuz Pyrdaz and weekly +10/12 chest items getting vendored. Why ju do dis blizz. /endrant Lol could write almost exactly the same post. Only difference is that I want the chest at Nightbane. Well and I have the mount but dont want it. Asked people in my group and noone wanted it either. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
for chest it's good to save bonus rolls and to run "loot groups" where you take for example 5 leather wearers to trade the chest to whoever needs it. Same for trinkets, kill it w/ group that will have a drop chance for everyone in the group if possible | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On December 16 2016 06:49 Cyro wrote: Takes 5 minutes to find a random guy who will pay 160k (40k per person) for 100% at mount for chest it's good to save bonus rolls and to run "loot groups" where you take for example 5 leather wearers to trade the chest to whoever needs it. Same for trinkets, kill it w/ group that will have a drop chance for everyone in the group if possible Meh kinda hard with random grps. But yeah killing it several times would be an option. I would not go through so much trouble though. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
My current guild has not pulled Helya yet and has 0 chance before nighthold with the current tuning of the boss and christmas / new year break (rank 360). Some friends in a rank ~200 guild have spent 12 hours on the fight without seeing phase 2 and with little hope of killing it any time soon if at all - I wonder what they're gonna do w/ the tuning changes and how many guilds will push her down before Nighthold. As of right now there are 40 guilds at 10/10m, 481 guilds at 9/10m and ~2600 guilds at 7/10m. This is an unusually low number for Helya, unusually high for EN and comes out as ~98.5% of Cutting Edge EN guilds being unable to kill Helya so far  http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/789077-raid-tuning-and-nighthold-release-date/ It also implies, i guess, that patch 7.1.5 will be released in about 3 weeks. I'd like for some parts of it to hit sooner but blizzard could always use another week for tuning passes :D | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22675 Posts
Trial of Valor will see a set of tuning adjustments next week, focused mainly on Heroic and Mythic difficulty, which should help groups overcome the challenges of the Trial as they prepare for Nighthold. I would expect every single ToV boss to get nerfed next week since even Heroic Odyn is at ~1/3 of the expected kills. (25k H:Xavius kills vs 9.4k H:Odyn) | ||
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heartlxp
United States1258 Posts
Also stopped playing 1.5 weeks to see requirements for mythic+9 go from 870 to 880, good thing i'm healer :D | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On December 16 2016 06:57 Redox wrote: Meh kinda hard with random grps. But yeah killing it several times would be an option. I would not go through so much trouble though. i mean come on man, you gotta give me credit for having the sense to save bonus rolls for shit i want :p At the end of the day im a solo player with limited time so Im not going to grind that out, and this a fresh account I dont have money to spare. Unless you gotta way to move 300k cata gold from an EU account to US im all ears. Infact ill take the whole account transfer :p. Still its more of a rant, I dont really have any complaints I have decentish enough gear. I have the chest and the relic (which went to offspec anyway) but without the trinket the chest is just good not great. + Show Spoiler + Speaking of which im thinking of activating my EU account and selling it, just not sure what all is on it since its been more than half a decade but upto AL akir i got all the server first titles and and pretty much every raiding achievement possible (except for sunwell and prior firsts because we had Last resort on the same server at the time. How much would I get for it and is it even possible to sell it, I dont really dabble in this stuff and never did. Most of the selling shit we did was organized by officers. | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22675 Posts
On December 17 2016 02:16 {ToT}ColmA wrote: they are rushing shit too fast - its probably nice for the 40 guilds who killed helya but as a 8h raid who is only progressing on helya since wednesday and with holidays in mind where we do not raid at all - we are probably not gonna make it and it really does not feel good to not being able to keep up Lets wait and see how heavily they nerf it instance next reset. The problem isnt so much the speed of ToV>NH its how overtuned ToV is. a 3 boss raid for 2 months isn't a terrible thing in and of itself tho I expected Nighthold to be early February instead. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
As opposed to Emerald dream's Red fucking everywhere with brown colors and HoV's dark and grey stuff. | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
On December 17 2016 02:18 Gorsameth wrote: Lets wait and see how heavily they nerf it instance next reset. The problem isnt so much the speed of ToV>NH its how overtuned ToV is. a 3 boss raid for 2 months isn't a terrible thing in and of itself tho I expected Nighthold to be early February instead. next id is already christmas time so we are gonna do a 4h raid and be done till next year so yea - nerfs will not really impact us cuz even if they nerf stuff u still gotta learn the helya phases - and we still only have 12 people who have 35 traits - casual guild is casual | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
I honestly really like their schedule so far. Helya might be s bit too tightly tuned but so what if only 250 guilds kill her before nighthold? There was never a fixed rule that x ammount of guilds needs to clear the old content before new content gets released. It's the december break time that makes stuff weird with ~40 guilds killing it before then. She seems to be the hardest tuned boss going back several expansions while also having very limited progress time because the raid came a few months before Nighthold with 2-3 weeks of that cut off due to christmas, new year etc. There are actually guidelines @ blizz about the amount of people killing bosses - at least how many kill bosses in relation to previous bosses; where progress walls are, etc. They have talked about this recently and made some very targetted nerfs in previous raid tiers. I've seen some discussion on if 7.1.5 will launch before or after nighthold; i still think they're much more likely to launch a week before Nighthold rather than release it 1-2 weeks into the progress race or delay the patch for a month because of the new raid. --- Does anyone know how the fel rush boots work exactly? Equip: Fel Rush deals 5% increased damage to each subsequent target hit. If it was a linear +5% of baseline per target to every target after the first, i'd expect the highest hit to be 20% higher and the average hit to be 10% higher when you hit 5 targets | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
On December 17 2016 02:16 {ToT}ColmA wrote: they are rushing shit too fast - its probably nice for the 40 guilds who killed helya but as a 8h raid who is only progressing on helya since wednesday and with holidays in mind where we do not raid at all - we are probably not gonna make it and it really does not feel good to not being able to keep up so you are butthurt that a boss is too hard for you to kill before the new content comes out. I don't see how that is blizzard's fault. I repeat myself, it does not matter in the grand scheme of things. Last tier it was the guilds below say top 900 in the world that were sad because they couldn't kill Xavius before ToV was released, now it might be all guilds below top 200. Who cares? It's not like she was impossible to kill, just very hard. If you didn't have the time and/or the skill required to kill her, it's entirely your own problem, not blizzard's. Complaining about too much content being released too quickly... holy shit honestly. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On December 17 2016 06:00 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: so you are butthurt that a boss is too hard for you to kill before the new content comes out. I don't see how that is blizzard's fault. I repeat myself, it does not matter in the grand scheme of things. Last tier it was the guilds below say top 900 in the world that were sad because they couldn't kill Xavius before ToV was released, now it might be all guilds below top 200. Who cares? It's not like she was impossible to kill, just very hard. If you didn't have the time and/or the skill required to kill her, it's entirely your own problem, not blizzard's. Complaining about too much content being released too quickly... holy shit honestly. This discussion has been had before, although I wouldnt be as scathing in my expression of the opinion as you are even if I share it. I think it seems like people and maybe this is Blizzards fault for caving in that way the past several years (probably since Wrath tbh) but the expectation now seems to be that everyone should be able to clear one tier of content before the next tier. Which seems silly to me but if that is the overwhelming consensus then thats what matters. TLDR.. casual game for casuals. | Pretty much why high end raiding has been in decline the past few years. All the really good players capable of clearing this stuff quit or went casual, creating this idea that the bosses are now overturned as opposed to just to a lack of quality raiding guilds. When I was raiding SB was made by remnants of Shadow Ryders like a rando 300 rank BC guild made by a bunch of players that were no2 on TM which is the server I started on. Then they got a good core going made top 30-40ish wrath onwards and benefited from high end guilds falling apart and taking in players that still wanted to play and gradually kept moving up. Thats the case for alot of names I see familiar to me from the old days doing well on rank websites. The heavy hitters like Paragon, LR, Nihilum/Ensidia, Apex, Vodka, IS, FTH and some US guilds like Blood Legion etc are all gone. Then again I guess its reasonable to tune the content to match the quality of players but then if you dont have that then raiding will just keep declining. If there isnt some content that isnt challenging to the higher tier of players then the bar will keep falling because they will get bored and stop. So where do you set it ? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
On December 17 2016 06:00 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: so you are butthurt that a boss is too hard for you to kill before the new content comes out. I don't see how that is blizzard's fault. I repeat myself, it does not matter in the grand scheme of things. Last tier it was the guilds below say top 900 in the world that were sad because they couldn't kill Xavius before ToV was released, now it might be all guilds below top 200. Who cares? It's not like she was impossible to kill, just very hard. If you didn't have the time and/or the skill required to kill her, it's entirely your own problem, not blizzard's. Complaining about too much content being released too quickly... holy shit honestly. Why do you see everything as a complaint and then get upset over it? I've never understood the complaining about people complaining thing, especially when the initial comments are often observations rather than "fuck you blizz, fuck everything" complaints. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
For my part I feel time-cramped this expansion insofar as raiding resets go. I'd like a few more resets between content releases because that'd give my guild some breathing room to farm an instance before the new content arrives. A little downtime helps prevent burnout. There will always be guilds who ride the knife's edge insofar as clearing their preferred difficulty prior to the next release, but lots of people who aren't used to being in that position have suddenly found themselves facing that due to the very quick content pacing in Legion so far. More than a few people are probably worried that, despite Blizzard's statements to the contrary, we'll run into another SoO or HFC situation. It may be that people will need to adjust and find their place in the new paradigm, but for now there are going to be growing pains and grumblings. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On December 17 2016 06:15 Cyro wrote: Why do you see everything as a complaint and then get upset over it? I've never understood the complaining about people complaining thing, especially when the initial comments are often observations rather than "fuck you blizz, fuck everything" complaints. Most of them are complaints. Observations can be complaints to, they arent mutually exclusive. "it really does not feel good" is not an observation. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
It's a surprisingly common theme on the internet recently, especially on any controversial topic  ---- the expectation now seems to be that everyone should be able to clear one tier of content before the next tier. Not everyone but a certain percentage. A top 100 guild has cruised through all content before the release of the next content for many years, of course that's expected if they're better than 99% of the guilds that primarily raid mythic. More people raid mythic than before, more GOOD people raid mythic than before and these top 100 guilds are full of extremely skilled and dedicated players, usually raiding many hours and abusing things like farming alt characters for extra loot to compete at that level. If they tuned Mythic harder so that 1000 guilds mainly raided it (and those bottom 9000 were too bad to step foot there) then that expectation would shift from the top 100 to the top 10. I don't know how you can use "casuals" in a discussion about top 100 guilds. A top guild on my server that raids at this level has the following description on WoWprogress: As a guild we place emphasis on toxicity-free raid environment and achieving good results by raiding less with higher quality of raids. They spend 20 hours in raid per week during initial progress. That kind of schedule while having multiple geared alts and mythic+ farming on main, getting raid consumables etc is the complete opposite of casual, it's life-consuming. | ||
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