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On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote:
I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother.

Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion.

Form
Spreadsheet

If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
November 01 2016 21:30 GMT
#3821
I put the message a few days ago but if anyone need a monk in any spec for up to +10 ( i'm a bit light for +9 and +10 on healer but getting there ), on EU Alliance, I'm always up for it.

Noocta#2669

I've done +10 as both dps and tank, no real issue doing them.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-01 23:49:57
November 01 2016 23:46 GMT
#3822
Comment from Lore:

We’d like to take a moment to dispel some rumors and give some insight into certain “hidden” Artifact Appearances, as well as some general notes on how this system (and similar systems) has worked out so far in Legion.

For starters, we’ve seen some rumblings around the community that the appearance for Arms Warriors was “hotfixed in.” This is not the case. The quest for that particular appearance has a daily chance to be offered in the Warrior Order Hall, and when it's active, it will be active throughout an entire region for that day. Our initial setting for that chance ended up being too conservative (and was increased in Patch 7.1), but the chance has been there every day since the expansion launched.

Many of you have also been asking about the hidden appearance for Frost Death Knights. We’ve been trying to avoid giving out too much in the way of spoilers for these, but as it’s now the last one to be discovered, we figured we might as well give you guys a hint. This appearance is tied to a particular world boss, which hasn’t spawned yet. Once that boss is available, we expect the appearance to be found pretty quickly.

We’ve learned a lot of important lessons about hidden content and these sorts of varied and discoverable unlocks over the course of Legion development. Some of our efforts were clearly far more successful than others. We’re going to take these lessons to heart and apply them going forward. Additionally, we’re working on a few tweaks to how the hidden artifact appearances are acquired, which will be released in a future patch, with the goal of reducing the frustration that can come from trying to chase down some of the more elusive ones.


So arms one was technically ingame the whole time but there was also nothing that players could have done that was related to it for a couple of months. Should it really have been called available / obtainable when those people asked?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
November 02 2016 00:14 GMT
#3823
The World Boss related Hidden Appearences feel so dumb because you can't even mindlessly grind or anything or just hope that its there every day, its either week.
WriterXiao8~~
Azuzu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States340 Posts
November 02 2016 00:29 GMT
#3824
A nice, conservative chance of 0%. Sort of like my legendary drop chance
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51522 Posts
November 02 2016 00:30 GMT
#3825
got my dh legendary boots ;d
Commentator
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
November 02 2016 00:32 GMT
#3826
Gz

Pretty good sometimes
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
heartlxp
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1258 Posts
November 02 2016 01:39 GMT
#3827
any chance we can do H EN on NA? i'm 866 mw got through 5/7 mainly carrying my wife's hunter
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
November 02 2016 06:10 GMT
#3828
completed a +4 BRH keystone guys

also might've contracted cancer too but who's counting haha...

in other unrelated, slightly more cancerous news it upgraded to a +5 BRH keystone what the FUCK
ffxiv enjoyer
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-02 06:45:09
November 02 2016 06:37 GMT
#3829
I'm pretty confident that I won't be doing BRH aside from kara attunements on alts in the future. Though the last run I did was smooth, it was 80% gear and 20% attitude.

Did a bit of kara last night, as someone who didn't raid it in tbc it was a lot of fun. But damn some stuff hits hard, those small spiders for example.

In the pugs I have done this with, I've made sure to chat with each member a little before inviting them. A lot of people don't reply to stuff like "how was your day" or "what did you have for dinner", rather leaving the lfg signup. Have had good results.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6261 Posts
November 02 2016 07:34 GMT
#3830
On November 02 2016 08:46 Cyro wrote:
Comment from Lore:

Show nested quote +
We’d like to take a moment to dispel some rumors and give some insight into certain “hidden” Artifact Appearances, as well as some general notes on how this system (and similar systems) has worked out so far in Legion.

For starters, we’ve seen some rumblings around the community that the appearance for Arms Warriors was “hotfixed in.” This is not the case. The quest for that particular appearance has a daily chance to be offered in the Warrior Order Hall, and when it's active, it will be active throughout an entire region for that day. Our initial setting for that chance ended up being too conservative (and was increased in Patch 7.1), but the chance has been there every day since the expansion launched.

Many of you have also been asking about the hidden appearance for Frost Death Knights. We’ve been trying to avoid giving out too much in the way of spoilers for these, but as it’s now the last one to be discovered, we figured we might as well give you guys a hint. This appearance is tied to a particular world boss, which hasn’t spawned yet. Once that boss is available, we expect the appearance to be found pretty quickly.

We’ve learned a lot of important lessons about hidden content and these sorts of varied and discoverable unlocks over the course of Legion development. Some of our efforts were clearly far more successful than others. We’re going to take these lessons to heart and apply them going forward. Additionally, we’re working on a few tweaks to how the hidden artifact appearances are acquired, which will be released in a future patch, with the goal of reducing the frustration that can come from trying to chase down some of the more elusive ones.


So arms one was technically ingame the whole time but there was also nothing that players could have done that was related to it for a couple of months. Should it really have been called available / obtainable when those people asked?

People have been putting a lot of time in this with all kinds of crazy theories and then it's just linked to a world boss which hasn't appeared yet lol. What a joke.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
November 02 2016 07:51 GMT
#3831
Necrotic Teeming. Ill happily pass on all mythic+ this week.
Skol
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
November 02 2016 10:21 GMT
#3832
On November 02 2016 16:51 Emnjay808 wrote:
Necrotic Teeming. Ill happily pass on all mythic+ this week.


teeming necrotic tyrannical might be the worst affix combo there is.
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
November 02 2016 11:00 GMT
#3833
On November 02 2016 16:34 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2016 08:46 Cyro wrote:
Comment from Lore:

We’d like to take a moment to dispel some rumors and give some insight into certain “hidden” Artifact Appearances, as well as some general notes on how this system (and similar systems) has worked out so far in Legion.

For starters, we’ve seen some rumblings around the community that the appearance for Arms Warriors was “hotfixed in.” This is not the case. The quest for that particular appearance has a daily chance to be offered in the Warrior Order Hall, and when it's active, it will be active throughout an entire region for that day. Our initial setting for that chance ended up being too conservative (and was increased in Patch 7.1), but the chance has been there every day since the expansion launched.

Many of you have also been asking about the hidden appearance for Frost Death Knights. We’ve been trying to avoid giving out too much in the way of spoilers for these, but as it’s now the last one to be discovered, we figured we might as well give you guys a hint. This appearance is tied to a particular world boss, which hasn’t spawned yet. Once that boss is available, we expect the appearance to be found pretty quickly.

We’ve learned a lot of important lessons about hidden content and these sorts of varied and discoverable unlocks over the course of Legion development. Some of our efforts were clearly far more successful than others. We’re going to take these lessons to heart and apply them going forward. Additionally, we’re working on a few tweaks to how the hidden artifact appearances are acquired, which will be released in a future patch, with the goal of reducing the frustration that can come from trying to chase down some of the more elusive ones.


So arms one was technically ingame the whole time but there was also nothing that players could have done that was related to it for a couple of months. Should it really have been called available / obtainable when those people asked?

People have been putting a lot of time in this with all kinds of crazy theories and then it's just linked to a world boss which hasn't appeared yet lol. What a joke.


Well at leasy devs know what is expected of them. Right?
Right...
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
November 02 2016 12:01 GMT
#3834
On November 02 2016 09:29 Azuzu wrote:
A nice, conservative chance of 0%. Sort of like my legendary drop chance


But don't worry, it's in the game so you can totally get it. Don't mind the fact that the quest never spawned until you upped the chance of it spawning (0% chance to spawn). And Frost DKs, it's in the game guys! You just also have a 0% chance because the boss hasnt even been spawned ever.

Still can't believe Blizzard is complacent telling people its in the game when they have a 0% chance of getting it, but then have other hidden artifacts that are just bought from vendors. The varying amount of effort put into this is kinda disheartening at times.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-02 15:25:13
November 02 2016 15:20 GMT
#3835
I liked what they did with hidden appearances. When I played EverQuest and early WoW, I had a sense of not knowing everything that was in the game. There were secrets to come across and things to explore. Nowadays it's really hard for developers to create that. Creating content that may never even get discovered would be considered a waste. Whatever does get put into the game spreads throughout the community so fast via community web sites and word of mouth. If they put something special for one class then they're obligated to do it for every class. If one class's content is harder than the other then players complain that it's unfair.

With the hidden artifact appearances, I felt like they did the best they could with compromising between all the potential complaints players would have and trying to instill a sense of mystery and discovery in the game and create the opportunity to be surprised. Hide content but not too hidden. Vary the content so that you're not following a predictable formula but do so for a cosmetic reward so the stakes aren't too high.

The players who spent a ton of time doing research for their hidden appearance, hoping that theirs was one that was a mystery to be solved rather than something more mundane like a random quest chance or world boss drop, knew that they might be wasting their time. They chose to do it anyway and hopefully had fun doing it, even though they weren't right in the end, because that's the kind of thing they like doing. It is absolutely necessary that some people have their time wasted and get treated unfairly in certain ways if the game is going to have this aspect to it at all. Personally I think it's worth it and this generation of players needs to be trained to deal with the downsides. I just don't see how it's possible to get rid of all the downsides and I think this kind of content should become regular. I'm sure they can improve it, and they did say they learned lessons, so hopefully they're able to iterate on it and give us a better version next time.

On November 02 2016 21:01 Alventenie wrote:The varying amount of effort put into this is kinda disheartening at times.

It's all just bonus content though. There's no standard saying they need to make these skins, one for each spec in the game, and have a unique but equally engaging way to acquire each one. That's such a huge project on top of all the other things they had to do for this expansion, which they did a good job of. If they hadn't done this content at all then I'm pretty sure we'd still be happy with how much content Legion delivered, but they did this extra content and avoided following a formula on purpose, and people take the best ones as the standard and say that the variance below those were a disappointing lack of effort?
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
November 02 2016 15:47 GMT
#3836
Well, looking at some of them yes.

BM hunters you buy from a vendor. There is no effort there. I know they said it was because 'they dont want people to feel locked into a gun rather than a bow'. But what about every other spec thats locked to a specific weapon? My rogue is Daggers/Swords, Brm is staff/polearm. None of my hidden appearences are bought from a vendor.

Frost Dks is a chance to drop off a world boss. So you have a 1/11 chance of it spawning each week, then 1 try to have it drop. That discrepancy is huge.

I dont mind many of them and think its fine. Daily chances/boss kill (although lol outlaw rogue, some people have confirmed over 300+ kills and never seen their bindings) I think is a more fair way to do it. You put in effort and have a chance to get it, but you aren't guaranteed it. I farmed for my Assa one and got it, haven't lucked out on Sub or Outlaw yet. But to say one spec only gets a chance at their hidden artifact once every 2 months vs classes that have chances daily (or more than once a day) seems rather extreme.

The biggest issue people had from Blizzard about it is also they didn't say anything. Everything was said to be 'It's there, you just haven't looked hard enough'. Every answer they gave was that it is in the game right now able to be found. Which for Frost DKs, is a lie. It's like saying the loot off Gul'dan is in the game. Sure, its there, but you have a 0% chance of getting it at all because the thing you need for it has not shown up on the live servers yet, ever.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
November 02 2016 17:08 GMT
#3837
But anything else Blizzard said would have just been a spoiler. People already knew about appearances being drops off bosses and knew that there were bosses that hadn't spawned yet. People know that there are random chances of things happening and they may not have happened yet, but the fact that there's a chance means that it's in the game. That's a defining characteristic of the game.

The researchers knew that things that weren't possible to have happened yet, but were in the game, could be involved. The ones that wanted to take the chance of wasting their time to be the first one to figure it out carried on. Anyone who wasn't as into that aspect of the game was fine ignoring it.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
November 02 2016 17:34 GMT
#3838
There's a difference between a random drop that you can actively search for and eventually find and an npc just either having or not having the quest for anyone on a given day though. At the same time though there were some hidden behind AK level so there was also the chance that it could have been like AK 15 or something but still technically in the game. I dont get why people are so salty but i havent wasted my time either.
On a sidenote, i just got my very own prydaz on my tank pally that i cant even equip for another 18 days.
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
November 02 2016 18:31 GMT
#3839
Loving the M+ concept and it fits me really well due to the limited time I have to spend on playing games currently. Would be really fun to play some M+ with TLers!

Currently 863-864 ilvl DH Vengeance tank and been doing 8+ fairly smoothly when rest of the group is 865+. If anyone needs a squishy key button mashing tank for their M+ 6-8 on EU Alliance im up for it whenever I'm online, merz#21257 for add!
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
November 02 2016 19:38 GMT
#3840
Ah skittish bolstering fortified week. Feels so chill as healer compared to fucking volcanic. Now it's the tank and melee dps turn to pay super attention.
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