EPTI didnt't mean they are equall... I meant that you can describe the thread as both of those things.
Psychology of Top Koreans - Page 4
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
I didnt't mean they are equall... I meant that you can describe the thread as both of those things. | ||
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gyrus
United States53 Posts
On November 06 2015 16:00 NukeD wrote: This is such a wannabe philosophical/psychological thread. I love the comment of OP how he laughs at people who haven't used drugs. The whole things just looks as if it's tought process of a 15-19 year old. And you are a close-minded imbecile. I am much older than you most likely which extensive experience in both science and hallucinogens. Contact me when you get done working at wal-mart and are able to open up your brain. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Jealous
10283 Posts
On November 09 2015 06:07 gyrus wrote: And you are a close-minded imbecile. I am much older than you most likely which extensive experience in both science and hallucinogens. Contact me when you get done working at wal-mart and are able to open up your brain. You're certainly acting like an enlightened individual worthy of emulation here. Frankly I find it pretentious to assume that because you have had moments of self-perceived invincibility that you know anything about the mindset of a professional player who has made it their career to play this game. You know nothing of what it is like to live in a barracks-style house practicing with other young men for hours upon hours a day, repeating and regurgitating the same builds over and over until they become second nature, all in hopes of beating other young men from an opposing house every week. You know nothing of SilentControl passing out in front of his screen before a match because he was too exhausted from practicing. You apparently know nothing of players whose expressions betray the worry and apprehension they are experiencing at that moment when an unexpected attack hits them or when their push fails. I can't think of a single progamer who I haven't seen panic, get frustrated, be emotionally crushed, overjoyed by something going his way, or some other emotion that would contradict your "euphoria" because of the "beauty of the game" hypothesis. When they did brain scans on Nada (it was Nada, right?) for Nat Geo or something similar, he was playing an intermediate Korean player. The fMRI showed that the intermediate Korean was using his visual cortex and frontal lobe, which given your neurological degree you will know is the decision-making center of the brain. The hotpoints were smudged and covered a relatively loose area. Meanwhile, Nada's brain was lit up on the visual cortex and memory center, meaning he was playing purely from visual cue and trained instinct. There is no euphoric state or artistic appreciation going on here. I think you were trying to humblebrag about how good you are and try to relate it to Koreans, and disguised it with some crackpot theory about how other people perceive a game, which is a presumptuous endeavor at best. Then when people call you out on it, you show your true colors. Nothing to see here, move on folks. EDIT: Seems you were banned while I was writing this post. Not surprised. | ||
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Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
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Lazare1969
United States318 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
It's pretty commonly accepted that if you do something a lot you get good at it. This applies to Starcraft much like anything else, of course, and if you bring up the difference between Koreans and foreigners you'll always get the answer Koreans practice more. What people mention less often is that improvement is rarely linear. In reality you get stuck at plateaus quite often unless you're abnormally gifted, and you have to keep practicing with the constant feedback that you are NOT improving in order to have the possibility of getting to the next plateau, a plateau that may never come. Idra in BW, Huk and Naniwa in SC2, they all went to Korea to get better and saw very little improvement in results for 6 months to a year before breaking through and getting to the level of a good, but not great, Korean player. Some players like Jinro kept trying for years and never jumped to the next plateau. So I guess the psychology of top Koreans is that they keep practicing even when there's no reward or feedback. Innovation's been a progamer since 2008, did you know that? NesTea played from 2002 to mid 2010 with basically no results to speak of. Bomber joined eSTRO in 2007. Having to play 3-4 years as a B-teamer without seeing any sort of results is not too uncommon in Korea. There might be something to "Being in the zone" or whatever but the real difference is the mental strength to continue practicing even when it seems like practice does nothing to help you. And some foreigners have been able to do this, but Koreans are on a whole other level. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On November 09 2015 06:07 gyrus wrote: And you are a close-minded imbecile. I am much older than you most likely which extensive experience in both science and hallucinogens. Contact me when you get done working at wal-mart and are able to open up your brain. User was temp banned for this post. This I believe. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
In this stunning look into just what makes koreans better than everyone else, Gyrus discovers that he, too, is likely a korean. Author's credentials: *Over 20,000 games played and feelings of invincibility. *neuroscience degree without actually being able to spell anything correctly *Extensive experience in both science and hallucinogens | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On November 09 2015 06:57 Jealous wrote: The player was XellOs. But yeah, I agree: OP doesn't know what s/he is talking about when it comes to progamers and their mindsets. The fact gyrus immediately resorted to insults when NukeD expressed doubt shows gyrus has nothing concrete to backup anything s/he said. You're certainly acting like an enlightened individual worthy of emulation here. Frankly I find it pretentious to assume that because you have had moments of self-perceived invincibility that you know anything about the mindset of a professional player who has made it their career to play this game. You know nothing of what it is like to live in a barracks-style house practicing with other young men for hours upon hours a day, repeating and regurgitating the same builds over and over until they become second nature, all in hopes of beating other young men from an opposing house every week. You know nothing of SilentControl passing out in front of his screen before a match because he was too exhausted from practicing. You apparently know nothing of players whose expressions betray the worry and apprehension they are experiencing at that moment when an unexpected attack hits them or when their push fails. I can't think of a single progamer who I haven't seen panic, get frustrated, be emotionally crushed, overjoyed by something going his way, or some other emotion that would contradict your "euphoria" because of the "beauty of the game" hypothesis. When they did brain scans on Nada (it was Nada, right?) for Nat Geo or something similar, he was playing an intermediate Korean player. The fMRI showed that the intermediate Korean was using his visual cortex and frontal lobe, which given your neurological degree you will know is the decision-making center of the brain. The hotpoints were smudged and covered a relatively loose area. Meanwhile, Nada's brain was lit up on the visual cortex and memory center, meaning he was playing purely from visual cue and trained instinct. There is no euphoric state or artistic appreciation going on here. I think you were trying to humblebrag about how good you are and try to relate it to Koreans, and disguised it with some crackpot theory about how other people perceive a game, which is a presumptuous endeavor at best. Then when people call you out on it, you show your true colors. Nothing to see here, move on folks. EDIT: Seems you were banned while I was writing this post. Not surprised. | ||
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rafaliusz
Poland482 Posts
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cheekymonkey
France1387 Posts
I can only speculate, but I think it's fair to say that hallucinogens have little to do with the feeling of playing starcraft at a professional level. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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