I've heard quite a few people question Marvin Lewis saying he's peaked and while he's done a lot for the Bengals some feel it's time to move on since he can't get past the 1st round of the playoffs. Some suggest he should be moved into the GM role. Some Bengals fans are scared they'll fall right back down to shit if they try to replace him

whatisthisasheep

624 Posts

September 11 2015 21:23 GMT

#1742

The only coach with a longer tenure than Marvin is Bill. One has been a little more successful than the other. Any other coach with marvins track record would have been fired by now.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

September 11 2015 22:33 GMT

#1743

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GTR

51593 Posts

September 12 2015 03:55 GMT

#1744

didn't even realize the 49ers released aldon

RenSC2

United States1089 Posts

September 12 2015 06:15 GMT

#1745

Tomlin lost a wildcard series his first year with Pittsburgh and then Won the superbowl the next year. He also lost in the superbowl two years after that. That's 4 years removed from Bill Cowher, which is an eternity in the NFL. Last year he was 11-5. Bill Cowher went through 3 seasons in a row of not even making the playoffs after starting out on a 6 season streak of making it. If the Steelers would have fired him after 3 straight seasons of not making the playoffs (or 4 more seasons without a superbowl after that), he never would have won a superbowl.

Tomlin inherited an 8-8 team from Cowher and immediately turned them into a 10-6 playoff team and then a 12-4 superbowl winner. If that's riding coattails, then I think the expectations are totally out of whack. Yeah, the team is looking to have a disappointing year this year, after a good (but not great) season last year. However, I think they're better with consistency, rather than switching coaches too often. If Tomlin has a good team, he can win with them.

Lovie Smith was a great defensive coach. He took every defensive player and helped them produce at a higher level than they otherwise would have (IMHO as a Bears fan). Unfortunately, he never was able to put together a respectable offense despite a whole slew of different offensive coordinators. Either the Bears weren't drafting/trading correctly for offense or he and his offensive coordinators stunk at it.

Considering how hard Trestman was backsliding, either Trestman was awful or Smith was holding together a stinking pile. I'd vote for the latter. Our former GM was pretty terrible (Jay Cutler had a terrible year, then gets signed to a huge guaranteed contract that is handcuffing the Bears years later). Trestman got screwed, but was nothing special as a coach. I'm giving Fox and the current GM a year off from evaluation until they can get that terrible Cutler contract off the books. Lovie Smith had a bad year with a terrible Tampa Bay team last year. I would almost guarantee they'll be better this year. At a minimum, Smith can build a team up to average through defense alone.

Marvin Lewis has earned more time. He took a stinking pile and eventually turned them into consistent playoff contenders. If the team misses the playoffs a couple seasons in a row, then maybe it's time to can him. At that point, he will have already gone through his building phase and peak and he will have peaked without a superbowl appearance. However, I certainly wouldn't get rid of him after one down year. He has shown an ability to take a year off and then bounce right back (going 10-6 then 4-12 then right back to 9-7 and 4 straight playoff appearances).

As always, even great coaches need a competent team to win. Belichick was a losing coach in Cleveland. Now he's one of the most celebrated cheaters, err winners, out there.

Onegu

United States9699 Posts

September 12 2015 19:31 GMT

#1746

Most Bengals fans are more critical of Mike Brown and fear that the power that Marvin has gained to draft players of his choice would be lost if he was fired and they would go back to Mike Brown making all the picks. Personally I think Marvin would make a better GM and have Hue Jackson be the coach.

whatisthisasheep

624 Posts

September 12 2015 23:03 GMT

#1747

Here are my Sunday predictions

Raiders > Bengals Smith, Mack, Tuck are going to give Dalton problems. Woodson will get an interception.
Bucs > Titans - Lovie Smiths defense is going to much for Mariota.
Cowboys > Giants - Dont trust Eli Manning
Green Bay > Bears - Jay Cutler is a scrub without Brandon Marshall around
Rams > Seahawks - No Kam and a uninspired Beast Mode will not be enough to beat Foles

Wintex

Norway16838 Posts

September 13 2015 12:28 GMT

#1748

LeT's Go Green Bayyyyyyy

Supamang

United States2298 Posts

September 13 2015 13:30 GMT

#1749

On September 13 2015 08:03 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Here are my Sunday predictions

Raiders > Bengals Smith, Mack, Tuck are going to give Dalton problems. Woodson will get an interception.
Bucs > Titans - Lovie Smiths defense is going to much for Mariota.
Cowboys > Giants - Dont trust Eli Manning
Green Bay > Bears - Jay Cutler is a scrub without Brandon Marshall around
Rams > Seahawks - No Kam and a uninspired Beast Mode will not be enough to beat Foles

Disagree with your assessment on the Hawks vs Rams game. If anythings gonna beat us, its because the Rams have an extremely talented D Line and we have a very untested and shaky O Line. Coach Fisher's always had our number with trick plays too.

QuanticHawk

United States32132 Posts

September 13 2015 15:50 GMT

#1750

Let's pick my starters. This is formatted with current starting positions and then bench.

league 1 (.25 ppr, 6 for all tds, points for big plays and big days ie 40+ yd plays, breaking 100yds 200 yds etc). I'm basically debating who to flex here since I think I have several options.

Stafford
D. Thomas, Beckham
Gordon, Hyde
Witten
FLEX: S. Smith

Bench: A Foster, Garcon, Tevin Coleman, D.G Beckham, B. Coleman, Fleener.

League 2. Standard scoring 6 all TDs. WR depth is butt right now. It's either Bernard or Cunningham. I'm kind of leaning towards Cunningham since I think he's a3 down back until Mason or Gurley return from injury.

Ben
Cobb, Tate, Wheaton
Lacy, Gore
Witten
FLEX: Bernard

Bench:A foster, Stafford, Lafell, Doresett,Benny Cunningham

Here's the FA list for WRs currently... it's pretty bad. Sanu is the only one on there I think worth anything more than a WR4 now. I'm thinking he has to be an upgrade over Dorsett probably, who is the WR3? Cecil Shorts might be the only other but I think that's only in PPR.

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