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On February 15 2015 09:37 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 09:17 Shellshock wrote:On February 15 2015 09:15 Shotcoder wrote:On February 15 2015 09:04 Shellshock wrote:
Browns should try to get Cutler I honestly think that, but all of my Browns friends here in Cleveland laughed at me. If it was possible I would take Cutler over any of their QBs In terms of play, of course, but that contract is a torpedo to the franchise. Some were speculating that the Bills would try to enter the Cutler sweepstakes, and I think that would be a horrible idea. For once, not having a first rounder in the 2015 draft might play to our advantage.
I would normally agree but with their luck at picking up QBs the cap hit might be worth it lol.
Manziel is a joke, Hoyer is a worse Matt Moore(read elite back up QB). You have to fix something.
Also on the Hoyer discussion that happened earlier. His horrendous play started when Mack went down and they were forced to shift the O Line around. When he has minimal time to throw before he dies I think he did fine. And honestly I think he only lost one game himself and that was the Colts game where the defense did everything they possibly could.
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On February 15 2015 06:17 Rogomatic wrote:
Um, no-one is cutting Wilfork. He just restructured. And whether Revis is brought back will pretty much depend enteirely on Revis.
If any FAs are to be let go, the most likely candidates are Ridley and Vereen. Perhaps even Connolly.
The contracts of Wilfork and Mayo stand out like sore thumbs (and then there's Amendola's...). Wilfork didn't have nearly the impact he has had in the past and solid isn't worth 8 mill, it also doesn't seem to leave you with much dead money. So you have to think about it with McCourty, Revis, and Gostkowski (I'd throw Vereen in there too), Chandler Jones is also looming the following year iirc. Granted, they are only over the cap as is because of Revis' 25 mill hit, something has to give.
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On February 15 2015 14:46 giftdgecko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 06:17 Rogomatic wrote:
Um, no-one is cutting Wilfork. He just restructured. And whether Revis is brought back will pretty much depend enteirely on Revis.
If any FAs are to be let go, the most likely candidates are Ridley and Vereen. Perhaps even Connolly. The contracts of Wilfork and Mayo stand out like sore thumbs (and then there's Amendola's...). Wilfork didn't have nearly the impact he has had in the past and solid isn't worth 8 mill, it also doesn't seem to leave you with much dead money. So you have to think about it with McCourty, Revis, and Gostkowski (I'd throw Vereen in there too), Chandler Jones is also looming the following year iirc. Granted, they are only over the cap as is because of Revis' 25 mill hit, something has to give.
Wilfork seems much more important when you don't have him, rather than when you do. Have you forgotten the disaster that was trying to defend the run with Joe Vellano and Sealver Siliga?
Mayo, I think, has been made considerably more dispensable by the emergence of Hightower and Collins.
And I think we can agree that there's no way that Revis is playing for his option.
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On February 15 2015 09:37 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 09:17 Shellshock wrote:On February 15 2015 09:15 Shotcoder wrote:On February 15 2015 09:04 Shellshock wrote:
Browns should try to get Cutler I honestly think that, but all of my Browns friends here in Cleveland laughed at me. If it was possible I would take Cutler over any of their QBs In terms of play, of course, but that contract is a torpedo to the franchise. Some were speculating that the Bills would try to enter the Cutler sweepstakes, and I think that would be a horrible idea. For once, not having a first rounder in the 2015 draft might play to our advantage.
His contract really isn't that bad. It just does not afford you the flexibility to fill other positions in the same way that having Russel Wilson on a rookie deal does.
Also if I were the pats I would 100% retain Wilfork over Mayo if you had to pick. Someone like Wilfork, even as an older player, is so good at what he does that he can make mediocre lbs look good because he controls gaps and eats space. Drop replacement level players in front of Mayo and he's gonna be average.
The only reason you'd drop Wilfork is if you thought that the big decline was only a year or two off, which it might be.
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On February 18 2015 00:36 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 09:37 AgentW wrote:On February 15 2015 09:17 Shellshock wrote:On February 15 2015 09:15 Shotcoder wrote:On February 15 2015 09:04 Shellshock wrote:
Browns should try to get Cutler I honestly think that, but all of my Browns friends here in Cleveland laughed at me. If it was possible I would take Cutler over any of their QBs In terms of play, of course, but that contract is a torpedo to the franchise. Some were speculating that the Bills would try to enter the Cutler sweepstakes, and I think that would be a horrible idea. For once, not having a first rounder in the 2015 draft might play to our advantage. His contract really isn't that bad. It just does not afford you the flexibility to fill other positions in the same way that having Russel Wilson on a rookie deal does. Also if I were the pats I would 100% retain Wilfork over Mayo if you had to pick. Someone like Wilfork, even as an older player, is so good at what he does that he can make mediocre lbs look good because he controls gaps and eats space. Drop replacement level players in front of Mayo and he's gonna be average. The only reason you'd drop Wilfork is if you thought that the big decline was only a year or two off, which it might be.
It's pretty rough over the next two years, I believe, but they can cut bait for basically nothing after that. I wouldn't do it if I was a rebuilding team like Buffalo, Cleveland, or St. Louis (sans Bradford). It's an ineffective band-aid using a guy over 30 who hasn't looked all that good. I'd rather take the lottery ticket on a cost controlled rookie QB.
Agreed with the "cut Wilfork before he declines" mentality. Belichick has done this before with Richard Seymour, and he got a ransom for him in a trade. Wouldn't be surprised to see Wilfork take a pay cut next year to stay with the team.
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Eh, I think Buffalo and St Louis are a bit different than Cleveland. Buffalo has a legitimately good defense, a good run game, just no qb. Stlouis is pretty similar. Cleveland does have a pretty good D too (which that and their run game helped them overcome Hoyer's giant suck) but I thinkthey're more than a qb away from playoffs, especially with that fucking retard Gordon getting himself suspended again.
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Knowing BB he will definitely let Wilfork go.
Cleveland needs to cut Gordon immediately and build an offense from scratch more or less; they need a better o-line and better receivers as well as a qb. As soon as Mack got injuried this year their offensive line compeltely went to shit, and it really showed. That injury probably screwed up their season at least as much as Hoyer and Manziel combined.
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Yup that injury was big for them. They have more holes to fill than those other two teams.
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in the latest Niner blunder news, apparently Gase all but had the job, but rejected it because the Niners told him hire TOmsula as your DC or you don't get it. Gase wanted Fangio to stay, or to hire Joseph Vance.
Tomsula is going to get absolutely torn to shreds if that team doesn't get 11+ wins, my god.
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On February 18 2015 01:55 QuanticHawk wrote:
in the latest Niner blunder news, apparently Gase all but had the job, but rejected it because the Niners told him hire TOmsula as your DC or you don't get it. Gase wanted Fangio to stay, or to hire Joseph Vance.
Tomsula is going to get absolutely torn to shreds if that team doesn't get 11+ wins, my god.
I don't know what's worse. The Niners offering Gase the job, or the Niners demanding that Gase replace Fangio with Tomsula. Jed York is a fucking idiot.
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Yeah I was not big on Gase either but I'd prefer him way over fucking Tomsula. It's so fucking evident now that he was a stooge the whole way. Why else would the team be so goddamn dead set on promoting him over their existing coordinator who has had a ton of success with the team?
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On February 18 2015 01:14 QuanticHawk wrote:
Eh, I think Buffalo and St Louis are a bit different than Cleveland. Buffalo has a legitimately good defense, a good run game, just no qb. Stlouis is pretty similar. Cleveland does have a pretty good D too (which that and their run game helped them overcome Hoyer's giant suck) but I thinkthey're more than a qb away from playoffs, especially with that fucking retard Gordon getting himself suspended again.
Didn't mean them to be regarded as completely the same, just meant it as "none of these teams have a QB worth a damn".
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On February 18 2015 00:36 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 09:37 AgentW wrote:On February 15 2015 09:17 Shellshock wrote:On February 15 2015 09:15 Shotcoder wrote:On February 15 2015 09:04 Shellshock wrote:
Browns should try to get Cutler I honestly think that, but all of my Browns friends here in Cleveland laughed at me. If it was possible I would take Cutler over any of their QBs In terms of play, of course, but that contract is a torpedo to the franchise. Some were speculating that the Bills would try to enter the Cutler sweepstakes, and I think that would be a horrible idea. For once, not having a first rounder in the 2015 draft might play to our advantage. His contract really isn't that bad. It just does not afford you the flexibility to fill other positions in the same way that having Russel Wilson on a rookie deal does. Also if I were the pats I would 100% retain Wilfork over Mayo if you had to pick. Someone like Wilfork, even as an older player, is so good at what he does that he can make mediocre lbs look good because he controls gaps and eats space. Drop replacement level players in front of Mayo and he's gonna be average. The only reason you'd drop Wilfork is if you thought that the big decline was only a year or two off, which it might be.
After this season you def would want wilforks contract over mayo (although mayo is still better than hightower imo) but I don't think they can get rid of mayo except for trade (same as amendola where it leaves too much dead money). The main question is if it comes down to wilfork or affording revis can something be worked out or do you cut wilfork.
I never realized how bad the 9'rs ownership was, wtf are they doing over there...
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On February 18 2015 01:55 QuanticHawk wrote:
in the latest Niner blunder news, apparently Gase all but had the job, but rejected it because the Niners told him hire TOmsula as your DC or you don't get it. Gase wanted Fangio to stay, or to hire Joseph Vance.
Tomsula is going to get absolutely torn to shreds if that team doesn't get 11+ wins, my god.
I'm not up on Niners news. What did Fangio do wrong? What does Tomsula have over any of them?
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On February 18 2015 07:34 giftdgecko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 00:36 QuanticHawk wrote:On February 15 2015 09:37 AgentW wrote:On February 15 2015 09:17 Shellshock wrote:On February 15 2015 09:15 Shotcoder wrote:On February 15 2015 09:04 Shellshock wrote:
Browns should try to get Cutler I honestly think that, but all of my Browns friends here in Cleveland laughed at me. If it was possible I would take Cutler over any of their QBs In terms of play, of course, but that contract is a torpedo to the franchise. Some were speculating that the Bills would try to enter the Cutler sweepstakes, and I think that would be a horrible idea. For once, not having a first rounder in the 2015 draft might play to our advantage. His contract really isn't that bad. It just does not afford you the flexibility to fill other positions in the same way that having Russel Wilson on a rookie deal does. Also if I were the pats I would 100% retain Wilfork over Mayo if you had to pick. Someone like Wilfork, even as an older player, is so good at what he does that he can make mediocre lbs look good because he controls gaps and eats space. Drop replacement level players in front of Mayo and he's gonna be average. The only reason you'd drop Wilfork is if you thought that the big decline was only a year or two off, which it might be. After this season you def would want wilforks contract over mayo (although mayo is still better than hightower imo) but I don't think they can get rid of mayo except for trade (same as amendola where it leaves too much dead money). The main question is if it comes down to wilfork or affording revis can something be worked out or do you cut wilfork. I never realized how bad the 9'rs ownership was, wtf are they doing over there...
I fucking hate the NFL's voodo accounting cap system. ffs make it straight forward so I don't have to labor over it just to find the cap rammifications
that's more of a bind imo, since Revis is one of the few corners who can genuinely change a game with his play. But he's also about to be 30. Personally I think DL age better, but that's a tough call either way.
On February 18 2015 07:58 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 01:55 QuanticHawk wrote:
in the latest Niner blunder news, apparently Gase all but had the job, but rejected it because the Niners told him hire TOmsula as your DC or you don't get it. Gase wanted Fangio to stay, or to hire Joseph Vance.
Tomsula is going to get absolutely torn to shreds if that team doesn't get 11+ wins, my god. I'm not up on Niners news. What did Fangio do wrong? What does Tomsula have over any of them?
Fangio had been the DC since the Niners turned it around. Tomsula had been there prior to that, and the team was forcing prospective coaches to hire him as DC if they wanted the job. It was widely speculated that Tomsula's buddiness with the FO had created tension between the rest of the staff, namely Harbaugh and Fangio. it was pretty much confirmed that he was a FO stooge when he got unjustly promoted over Fangio despite having zero NFL play calling experience
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Fangio did nothing wrong. In fact, he may be the best defensive coordinator in the NFL, which is why it was ridiculous for the Niners to give him the boot.
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51411 Posts
News is that Raiders and Chargers plan a joint stadium in LA.
Going to be a hot race to see out of the Raiders/Chargers/Rams who gets to move there.
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51411 Posts
For those not following the combine, Kevin White got a 4.35.
Pretty good for a 6'3 215 guy.
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United States97276 Posts
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I know none of this matters, but that's really impressive.
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