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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 14:46:58
October 14 2015 14:46 GMT
#2741
On October 14 2015 23:34 QuanticHawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 12:15 zev318 wrote:
On October 12 2015 11:24 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
How's the Giants game so far? Not able to watch at the moment.


who cares, both SHIT teams

also 100% true unfortunately. Deluded Niner fans seem to think that there were positives for the offense after Kap beating up on a bottom 5 passing D while the coaches couldn't even trust him to do plays with more than one read. I hate this stupid team and it's stupid fans, and I want his stupid ass gone. There's high schoolers who can read and react better than he can, christ.

I see the Giants all the time and that team is going to get wrecked come playoffs when they're forced to play teams slightly better than the shit that is in that division. The Cowboys would be steam rolling that division if not for their injuries.

The glaring problem on Defense for the Niners is that Bowman seems to have fallen apart after initially looking like a beast during the preseason and game 1. He's become totally useless in pass coverage. On offense, the offensive line has been a travesty, but hopefully replacing Devey with Tiller at right guard will help stabilize things (as it seemed to against the Giants). Kaepernick certainly looked better on Sunday than he had in a while. We'll see if this is a trend.

My biggest concern about the Niners is coaching. I think Mangini is doing fairly well with what he has, but Chryst is clearly in over his head as the offensive coordinator, and Tomsula is just a gigantic bag of ROFLs. Unfortunately, I have trouble seeing the coaching situation improve any time soon given that the owner is an ego-maniacal prick.

At this point, I'd be okay with the Niners shipping out major assets for draft picks and going into a rebuild mode. They're not going to be contending for a while.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32135 Posts
October 14 2015 15:03 GMT
#2742
yeah 100% agree about rebuild mode. Basically almost everyone who is isn't going to be around in 3 years when they might be ok again.

Also agree on coaching. I don't think Mangini is a good coach, but he's at least NFL level... Chryst has zero business being in the NFL, and neither does that moron Tomsula. Granted, part of the issue is that Kap simply can't handle passing schemes that aren't one read plays out of the pistol or shotgun really, but multiple players have now said that the Niners offense is extremely easy to play against. Only the Niners genius coaching staff thought the key to success was further limiting the plays they can call for a qb who already was working with a much smaller playbook than everyone else. When your QB can only be successful in a few limited situations, it makes it extremely easy to gameplan gainst.

It's always been the problem with him, but the Harbaugh Niners were just good enough elsewhere to not frequently get into situations where they needed Kap to pass a ton to win.

Niner fans also had their heads in the sand about Bowman. He's still obviously got it vs the run game, but he just does not have the speed or mobility anymore to stand out in pass coverage like he did in the past. Compared to his peer's he is still ok at it, but he used to be an All Pro playing next to another All Pro. Now he's starting next to a replacement level player, with OLBs who are only good vs the run and pass rushing.
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
October 14 2015 15:07 GMT
#2743
I don't think Dungy is that great, either. He's a good teacher who is good at installing a basic, vanilla offense. However, he is way too conservative in his playcalling and gameplanning. He doesn't seem that great in making opponent specific strategies, either.

QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32135 Posts
October 14 2015 15:26 GMT
#2744
I think he's overrated, but at the same time, I think pairing up his defensive mind with Manning was great. There's more than enough examples of bonehead coaches trying to instill their own thing rather than just letting someone who knows what their doing as a coord (or qb) do their thing. A lot of other coaches would have come in and tried creating their offense
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wongfeihung
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States763 Posts
October 14 2015 16:41 GMT
#2745


That's my quarterback.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
October 14 2015 16:57 GMT
#2746
I wonder what diabolical methods of torture Bill has up his sleeves for the Colts.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
October 14 2015 17:19 GMT
#2747
I think we're all drawn by the morbid curiosity of seeing how Bill will grind the Colts to dust beneath his boot for the whole deflated footballs thing.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 17:22:35
October 14 2015 17:21 GMT
#2748
On October 15 2015 00:26 QuanticHawk wrote:
I think he's overrated, but at the same time, I think pairing up his defensive mind with Manning was great. There's more than enough examples of bonehead coaches trying to instill their own thing rather than just letting someone who knows what their doing as a coord (or qb) do their thing. A lot of other coaches would have come in and tried creating their offense

This defensive mind put together 2 competent playoff defenses for manning in like 10 years.

Although polian was just as much to blame.
Freeeeeeedom
midou
Profile Joined April 2008
Bulgaria1168 Posts
October 14 2015 17:33 GMT
#2749
On October 15 2015 01:57 DannyJ wrote:
I wonder what diabolical methods of torture Bill has up his sleeves for the Colts.


My guess is Blount running behind Shaq Mason for 100+ and 4 TDs
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32135 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 18:00:17
October 14 2015 17:59 GMT
#2750
On October 15 2015 02:21 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 00:26 QuanticHawk wrote:
I think he's overrated, but at the same time, I think pairing up his defensive mind with Manning was great. There's more than enough examples of bonehead coaches trying to instill their own thing rather than just letting someone who knows what their doing as a coord (or qb) do their thing. A lot of other coaches would have come in and tried creating their offense

This defensive mind put together 2 competent playoff defenses for manning in like 10 years.

Although polian was just as much to blame.

yeah that is part of what I am getting at, but at the same time the Colts have demonstrated for the past two decades they love hitting on franchise qbs and not doing much else roster building.

since the niners aint winning any time soon, I want Romo to get one
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 14 2015 18:09 GMT
#2751
On October 15 2015 02:59 QuanticHawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 02:21 cLutZ wrote:
On October 15 2015 00:26 QuanticHawk wrote:
I think he's overrated, but at the same time, I think pairing up his defensive mind with Manning was great. There's more than enough examples of bonehead coaches trying to instill their own thing rather than just letting someone who knows what their doing as a coord (or qb) do their thing. A lot of other coaches would have come in and tried creating their offense

This defensive mind put together 2 competent playoff defenses for manning in like 10 years.

Although polian was just as much to blame.

yeah that is part of what I am getting at, but at the same time the Colts have demonstrated for the past two decades they love hitting on franchise qbs and not doing much else roster building.

since the niners aint winning any time soon, I want Romo to get one

No true Niners fan would ever root for the Cowboys.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32135 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 18:18:07
October 14 2015 18:17 GMT
#2752
honestly outside of razzing my friends who are cowboys fans, the rivalry's been dead for years. It's been 20 years since the last playoff game, and probably just as long since both teams were actually good at the same time when they play in the regular season. Niners Giants has way more, relevant, recent history.

I just happen to like (and feel bad) for that poor bastard Romo, and Dez is one of my favorite recievers for sure.
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
October 14 2015 18:20 GMT
#2753
On October 15 2015 00:26 QuanticHawk wrote:
I think he's overrated, but at the same time, I think pairing up his defensive mind with Manning was great. There's more than enough examples of bonehead coaches trying to instill their own thing rather than just letting someone who knows what their doing as a coord (or qb) do their thing. A lot of other coaches would have come in and tried creating their offense


For the regular season, it was a good pairing. For the playoffs, it was frustrating to watch. Dungy is pretty much the stereotypical defensive coach who likes to play it safe on offense. Against good teams, they needed to take some chances. Their offense just looked extremely safe and predictable, the sort of offense you ask Trent Dilfer to run. He was also very conservative on going for it on fourth downs.

The successful defensive coaches in recent years (Belichick, both Harbaughs, Carroll) are all pretty aggressive on offense and fourth downs.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
October 15 2015 01:09 GMT
#2754
Do you think Romo is going to make the HoF? He has the numbers, but his lack of deep playoff success is a black mark.
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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
October 15 2015 01:33 GMT
#2755
On October 15 2015 10:09 Jerubaal wrote:
Do you think Romo is going to make the HoF? He has the numbers, but his lack of deep playoff success is a black mark.

Absolutely not, and he has almost no chance of getting in. He's definitively behind at least 4 other QBs from his era (Brady, Manning the Elder, Brees, Rodgers), almost definitively behind another (Roethlisberger), would be considered behind another due to championships (Manning the Lesser), and probably would be ranked below another guy who experienced similar playoff struggles (Rivers).

Despite being above average for a long period of time, he was never among the best players at his position. It's okay to consistently be the 9th best QB in football, but that will never sniff the Hall.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
October 15 2015 01:35 GMT
#2756
Historical numbers notwithstanding, you have to match up against your peers well and Romo does not, and given the QB inflation in recent years, I believe this generation of QBs will have a much higher threshold for qualification into the Hall.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-15 02:26:05
October 15 2015 02:22 GMT
#2757
On October 14 2015 21:30 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 05:21 GrapeApe wrote:
The Lions are so bad. For years I have been hootin' and hollerin' about how Kellan Moore should be given a chance and now 5 weeks into the season after choosing DAN FUCKING ORLOVSKY as backup Stafford gets benched in a blowout. So, even if he stayed benched or got hurt I have no points of salvation because we don't even have a backup QB who is worth anything. Once again the Lions are showing they need to be rebuilt from the top to the bottom and everyone from the ownership to stafford to the water boy needs to be booted.

I hope Calvin Johnson escapes to a decent team for a couple of twilight years as a #2/3 guy and at least tastes a playoff win or possible super bowl. I really, really do.

You saw Moore in pre-season right?
They've got teams saying they knew what play the Lions were going to run in what situation. I don't think that's a player talent issue....


Lombardi refuses to admit it (publicly) but we've got 3 teams so far this year saying they knew at least a portion of the Lions' plays.

I'm not a huge Caldwell fan but I think he's getting too much flack. He's responsible for keeping Lombardi on too long but he's also responsible for Teryl Austin, who's been fantastic. The Lions have too many losses to turn this around, and truly Mayhew deserves an enormous chunk of that blame.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51596 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-15 02:47:00
October 15 2015 02:46 GMT
#2758
I definitely think Mayhew needs to go. Sure he had a few drafts in the early years but these last few have been pretty shit (only Ziggy Ansah has been the only bright spot so far).
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 15 2015 02:50 GMT
#2759
On October 15 2015 10:09 Jerubaal wrote:
Do you think Romo is going to make the HoF? He has the numbers, but his lack of deep playoff success is a black mark.


By the time he is 5 years out he won't have the numbers. He's simply riding a wave. He is very good, thats all.
Freeeeeeedom
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-15 02:55:33
October 15 2015 02:54 GMT
#2760
Katie Nolan on Greg Hardy

I don't remember if this got any play here, but I just saw it and thought it was worth sharing. It enumerates a few of the many reasons I think the NFL is the worst run league in sports bar none and the product on the field is the only thing that keeps me watching.
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