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I present to you, THE CLONZEN BUG! (I found it, it's mine. Deal with it)
All jokes aside, I'm pretty sure this bug is a pretty big flaw with the current purchasing and selling of items in dota 2. Any item that can be bought and made use of within the ~14 seconds before you can sell it is currently broken. Although sometimes it might not be useful, there will be times where it is extremely useful.
The main place this bug can be used is within secret shop or side shop areas.
As an example, let's say you're playing carry and your opponent is not harassing you nonstop and you need a ring of health to say in the lane, but ideally you would want to rush for a...
<any item you want> (Midas?!).
When the lane is pushed you can use the side shop as a miniature fountain/ healing zone by
purchasing as many regeneration items as possible and selling them before the time runs out.
This is free regeneration and is an obvious exploit that needs to be fixed.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/o68k7Yc.png)
But I have a question, if people are competing for a large sum of money, what action would tournament admins take on players that used this exploit?
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It's not a bug.
It's not relevant.
It's not abuseable.
It's not threadworthy.
If you want an example of a SMART similar "Abuse" it is buying an energy booster at the side shop in order to have enough mana to TP or cast something, then TPing (or casting the spell) and then insta-selling the energy booster.
Its just a smart use of mechanics much like pulling is. Don't try to make a stupid big deal out of it.
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you dont even get how the safelane works...this is not relevant at all
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VEETEE Clonze? This has to be legit. Valve pls
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These cool tricks make the game so much better.
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On the plus side, OP seemed willing to put in the effort to make what he believed was a quality OP.
On the other hand, OP's Dota "knowledge" isn't really enough to justify posting... this.
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It techically is a bug because you can't do it in DotA 1. However, it's been on the Known Bugs List for a year and a half and you're really daft for trying to take credit for it.
This isn't even the most serious sell-back exploit anyway.
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even better, I'm absolutely sure a pro player did the is in a game with a ROH, I think it was eternalenvy who did it on a spectre
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Well, can you ever sell items for full price in dota 1?
Like, item selling parity stuff is hard to call a bug as far as i'm concerned because the shop system is completely redone.
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So much hostility for posting an exploit... why? When did dota2 teamliquid community turn into a bunch of bashing trolls?
It's free hp regeneration, normally you pay GOLD to get that. That energy booster trick sounds pretty clutch as well, I guess you want to say some unintended bugs are good? But instead you choose to insult me.
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On December 11 2013 07:24 Clonze wrote:
So much hostility for posting an exploit... why? When did dota2 teamliquid community turn into a bunch of bashing trolls?
It's free hp regeneration, normally you pay GOLD to get that. That energy booster trick sounds pretty clutch as well, I guess you want to say some unintended bugs are good? But instead you choose to insult me.
Wait a sec while I make a thread about the abuse of creep aggro because I can pull them to the jungle camp. Its a huge bug, the community needs to know!
Of course, I will take credit for discovering this bug and we can have intelligent discussion about how valve will patch it out of the game so that it doesn't ruin any more games than it already has.
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On December 11 2013 07:24 Clonze wrote:
So much hostility for posting an exploit... why? When did dota2 teamliquid community turn into a bunch of bashing trolls?
It's free hp regeneration, normally you pay GOLD to get that. That energy booster trick sounds pretty clutch as well, I guess you want to say some unintended bugs are good? But instead you choose to insult me.
Because it's been posted before, most people know about it, but it doesn't matter because in most cases it is not useful or even harmful to do so.
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I don't think you can buy RoH every few seconds and farm at the same time so it's not that great. More like cool mechanic than exploit.
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On December 11 2013 07:24 Clonze wrote:
So much hostility for posting an exploit... why? When did dota2 teamliquid community turn into a bunch of bashing trolls?
It's free hp regeneration, normally you pay GOLD to get that. That energy booster trick sounds pretty clutch as well, I guess you want to say some unintended bugs are good? But instead you choose to insult me.
It's been known for a long time. It also poses some threats (f.e. if you get killed during the process, you can't sell those items) and generally its really marginal.
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I really wouldn't call it a parity bug. Just the fact you can sell it for full price would be a parity bug in that case. As for whether it's a bug in Dota 2, it's hard to say. It's definatelly not a very meaningful one either way.
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I was unaware that this was already known, I figured it was a big deal because it's not like a one time use trick with the energy boost, its an ongoing exploit that can be used. Similar to bottle bird to grab runes, that was fixed real fast. The taking credit was a joke, as i said, "all jokes aside".
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You were even talking about tournaments punishing players for using it, which is simply absurd. "Bugs" are part of the game, and far worse ones have been used in competitive matches with no punishment.
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Sitting at the side shop forever just to utilize a "free" ring of health that you need to have the gold to buy anyway but don't want to buy is beyond marginal. The idea that this could ever be useful beggars belief. Hence the flames, because you are trying to make a big deal out of something that is bad in almost every conceivable circumstance.
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Well, if you get low on hp from farming, you can stay just in xp range and still be in range of selling to the shop, allowing you to heal back up and get back to farming.
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it really doesnt matter. just a little trick like dropping stat items before bottling up. it might backfire sometimes too.
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TBH the bugs that come with items being disassemble-able within the first 10s are more serious and easily abusable.
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I don't know if this would fall under bug though. Usually I associate a bug with some sort of error on the programmers side, and I don't think you can really say that here.
On top of that, while this quirk isn't intended, there are many things that pro players do that were also not intended either, when the creators were programming the game.
I mean, how else would you get innovative strategies if everything was already predetermined. Finding new things is simply part of the game. It only gets problematic when it's really abusive and gives a massive, unfair advantage, and I doubt that will be the case here.
I guess I pretty much said the same thing the people said above me, but as they do, I also believe that this should not be changed. I think it's fine making a thread about it, but making a thread claiming it has to be changed... not so much.
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I thought people knew this. I'm pretty sure I've heard casters point this out before.
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On December 11 2013 07:29 Clonze wrote:
I was unaware that this was already known, I figured it was a big deal because it's not like a one time use trick with the energy boost, its an ongoing exploit that can be used. Similar to bottle bird to grab runes, that was fixed real fast. The taking credit was a joke, as i said, "all jokes aside".
Unless you're afk at the side shop or in the rosh pit there's no real point to this.
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On December 11 2013 07:33 NotYango wrote:
TBH the bugs that come with items being disassemble-able within the first 10s are more serious and easily abusable.
like arcane/tranq boots? that was stupid and valve already took care of it.
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On December 11 2013 07:38 aintz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 07:33 NotYango wrote:
TBH the bugs that come with items being disassemble-able within the first 10s are more serious and easily abusable. like arcane/tranq boots? that was stupid and valve already took care of it.
No, that one was fine.
The one I know of is that buying Diffusal 2, disassembling it and selling the recipe fully recharges Diffusal 1 at no cost. There are also at least 2 additional ones which are serious enough to be hidden on the dev forums.
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LOL
You really shouldn't have said that yango
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It might backfire sometimes, but you can sell items even while stunned, so it's a lot less of a risk that dropping stats before bottlings.
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It does so little I don't think anyone cares.
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