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Please keep the QQ to a minimum if you do not like this update. We are happy to hear your reasoning for not liking a ranked system, but no "OMG VOLVO WHY" posts.
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 06:51:21
December 29 2013 06:50 GMT
#1461
Oh, so you lose rating for losing a game where a teammate abandon...
Another matchmaking ace in the hole...
Chicken gank op
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
December 29 2013 07:26 GMT
#1462
imagine the abuse if you didnt
cmon guys...
hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
December 29 2013 07:54 GMT
#1463
i find it amusing that the dota community has people in it who are exactly as stupid as the community of another, slightly superior moba when it comes to being a dumb idiot.
even a child should clearly see that every external effect happens more often to the opponent team than to yours. means: every leaver, feeder, troll increases your rating over time.

but nope, better not use brain. just complain for no reason at all.
there is a qq thread for that...
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 09:42:58
December 29 2013 09:37 GMT
#1464
On December 29 2013 07:59 Esoterikk wrote:
I posted this in the GD thread but it probably belongs here instead.

Should I give a shit about my rating? Just had a losing streak in ranked and legit considered not playing the mode anymore. Ladder anxiety never really bothered me in Sc2 but in Dota the fear of getting a retarded team is getting to me.

Just play unranked? Don't give a shit about rating? trying to nip this in the bud before it ruins dota for me.


In my opinion you should not have rating in your head, at least not while playing. The fact is mmr represents our skill and we all want to have more skill = more rating. But there we are, losing our precious points, getting some, we hit plateau and for some time we stay there. If you have been playing for quiet a while there is a high chance you hit plateau already. Seeing that we don't gain points damages our ego, losing even more, it makes us hard to play dota (ranked), because humans like "fast gain".

We also can get too obsessed with points. When losing you see points, when you make a mistake you see points, maybe subconsciously, maybe consciously. But what you should be seeing is why you are losing and what mistakes you are making so you can learn from it and correct it. Losing streaks are part of playing, you gain some, you lose some. Losing is temporary, if you learn from it. It might seem like nothing at first but all things add up and after a while you should be gaining points if you are becoming better.

Maybe i am being too philosophical but i think a lot of people are just blinded by mmr. Some even stop playing because of it. I think you should be playing ranked, because there is competition and if you strive for that it's good. When i went into normal match the other day i didn't even care about the outcome. I should, but i didn't, oh well.

Also, i think you should care about winning. It's perfectly ok to lose, but giving it your all every game is essential.


zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
December 29 2013 10:40 GMT
#1465
Only thing essential is having fun.
makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
December 29 2013 11:17 GMT
#1466
On December 29 2013 19:40 zezamer wrote:
Only thing essential is having fun.

There's a straight path down the road from there, leading to the destructive village of 'I don't care'.
"Silver Edge can't break my hope" - Kryptt 2016 || "Chrono is not a debuff, you just get rekt" - Guru 2016
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 11:59:25
December 29 2013 11:59 GMT
#1467
Most of us don't make living of this game so whether you win/loss is actually meaningless so not caring is fine
Kemy
Profile Joined November 2010
105 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 14:44:20
December 29 2013 14:15 GMT
#1468
People need to realize that the change or ranking is a veeeery veeeery slow process with the possibility of big streaks both positive or negative. In the end what counts is your winrate over a large amount of games. If your winrate is below 50% your rating will decrease and vice versa.

Let's say you play at mmr 3500 and manage to get a winrate of 55% which is already pretty good and reasonable for soloqueue. This means that out of 100 games you win 10 games more than you lose and your rating will thus increase by 10*~25 = 250 pts over these 100 games (which may take weeks to play) up to 3750.

Compare this to a player X who already reached his "true" rating of 3500 with a 50% winrate over a large amount of games. This means that in comparison with this player X your skill was a differentiating factor in only 5 of the 100 games at mmr 3500 which you won due to your performance and which the player X would have lost because he is a tiny bit worse.

Those 5 games are the difference between a 3750 ranked guy and a 3500 ranked guy. It really is nothing. And this is still subject to a lot of variance. Maybe you have bad luck and it takes 300 games for you to get those 15 wins that actually count (which will boost you up to 4250 rating).

Just play the game and don't worry too much about the change in rating after each game. It makes more sense to look back in a month or two. Everything will balance out, the abandons, the bad players, the players with bad days etc.
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 15:34:23
December 29 2013 15:33 GMT
#1469
On December 29 2013 20:59 zezamer wrote:
Most of us don't make living of this game so whether you win/loss is actually meaningless so not caring is fine


i am talking about improving at dota, not playing casually for fun and not caring about any game you play

why would money be the only important thing in your life? so sad
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
December 29 2013 15:36 GMT
#1470
ok i am not playing solo mm anymore....The fact that i thought they would allow actual solo queue vs solo queue as Solo MM so i was ok with that but now it is just pure pointless.

4100 to near 3900 after a few games...is the exact same story again but now the oppo seems to try real hard in RMM (which is logically)..i won hardlane/1v2 and then team derped, i didnt win hardlane = 80%+ team will lose. Funny thing is that i notice some players said sorry because they were tired or something like that, something new >_> and oh yes, kaolin that hero.....
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
December 29 2013 15:41 GMT
#1471
On December 30 2013 00:36 BurningSera wrote:
ok i am not playing solo mm anymore....The fact that i thought they would allow actual solo queue vs solo queue as Solo MM so i was ok with that but now it is just pure pointless.

4100 to near 3900 after a few games...is the exact same story again but now the oppo seems to try real hard in RMM (which is logically)..i won hardlane/1v2 and then team derped, i didnt win hardlane = 80%+ team will lose. Funny thing is that i notice some players said sorry because they were tired or something like that, something new >_> and oh yes, kaolin that hero.....

...why do you of all people care?

On December 29 2013 20:59 zezamer wrote:
Most of us don't make living of this game so whether you win/loss is actually meaningless so not caring is fine

Not caring is fine in unranked matches and we don't cover these here. Like, no offense, but if you are about to jump out with a 'i can't care less what people in ranked think' card, there's something called netiquette and being emphatetic to ambitions of others.
"Silver Edge can't break my hope" - Kryptt 2016 || "Chrono is not a debuff, you just get rekt" - Guru 2016
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 15:58:10
December 29 2013 15:44 GMT
#1472
On December 30 2013 00:41 makmeatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2013 00:36 BurningSera wrote:
ok i am not playing solo mm anymore....The fact that i thought they would allow actual solo queue vs solo queue as Solo MM so i was ok with that but now it is just pure pointless.

4100 to near 3900 after a few games...is the exact same story again but now the oppo seems to try real hard in RMM (which is logically)..i won hardlane/1v2 and then team derped, i didnt win hardlane = 80%+ team will lose. Funny thing is that i notice some players said sorry because they were tired or something like that, something new >_> and oh yes, kaolin that hero.....

...why do you of all people care?


haha i dont care but the number can be annoying on the screen, was just giving a try this solo RMM (i couldn't play dota2 properly until about 5days ago in the last 5months). Just going to play the 'casual' mm whenever i am solo now.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 16:05:35
December 29 2013 16:02 GMT
#1473
On December 30 2013 00:33 thOr6136 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2013 20:59 zezamer wrote:
Most of us don't make living of this game so whether you win/loss is actually meaningless so not caring is fine


i am talking about improving at dota, not playing casually for fun and not caring about any game you play

why would money be the only important thing in your life? so sad


you improve faster in dota if you have fun while playing because you play more?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 16:13:53
December 29 2013 16:13 GMT
#1474
On December 30 2013 00:33 thOr6136 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2013 20:59 zezamer wrote:
Most of us don't make living of this game so whether you win/loss is actually meaningless so not caring is fine


i am talking about improving at dota, not playing casually for fun and not caring about any game you play

why would money be the only important thing in your life? so sad

Guess what? I play casually and I also want to improve. I always play to win, but I don't care if I lose because that is part of the game.

The world of Dota 2 is not made of "tryhards" and "casuals". There are many levels of "caring".

Edit: Money is always super important. It pays the bills.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 16:36:00
December 29 2013 16:34 GMT
#1475
Lol you guys mix up words. Or maybe i am not expressing myself correctly.

What i am trying to say is, why wouldn't you want to improve at something where you are not getting paid for. I am trying to argue what he stated in his post, "because you are not getting paid at dota, you shouldn't care about winning". If you want to improve you also want to win the game as badly as you can, that's obvious.

And by casual i meant not caring about improving and winning, not the tier or skill you are playing at.

I didn't say money isn't important. I said why would money be the only important thing in your life.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
December 29 2013 16:41 GMT
#1476
It's curious you mention mixing up words. How the hell can you take that money is the only important thing in his life by that post? It simply means playing this game is not your job, you are allowed to do whathever you have fun with, because that is ussually why you play games. I don't see how that means you value money over family, friendship or even just having fun with dota.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
December 29 2013 16:44 GMT
#1477
Caring about winning is fundamentally unrelated to caring about improving. Learning to understand the game and improving is usually quite different than winning more. Just look at the people in this thread complaining about "tryhard pickers and bad teammates" in trying to win more instead of looking at themselves.
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 16:47:44
December 29 2013 16:47 GMT
#1478
Most people won't even win more by improving, you will just be playing a slightly different game. It's fine if that's what you want, but "winning more" is not a good goal. You will just be dissapointed when you keep losing for the same reasons because that's how matchmaking works.
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 16:51:11
December 29 2013 16:49 GMT
#1479
ill try again

you shouldnt play dota if you dont enjoy it at all just for the sake of improvement
because you dont gain anything for playing dota

of course you can improve and have fun, i myself enjoy trying to play better (= improving) but i wouldnt do it if i didnt have fun while doing it

and i never said "money is only important thing" ?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 29 2013 16:51 GMT
#1480
On December 30 2013 01:34 thOr6136 wrote:
Lol you guys mix up words. Or maybe i am not expressing myself correctly.

What i am trying to say is, why wouldn't you want to improve at something where you are not getting paid for. I am trying to argue what he stated in his post, "because you are not getting paid at dota, you shouldn't care about winning". If you want to improve you also want to win the game as badly as you can, that's obvious.

And by casual i meant not caring about improving and winning, not the tier or skill you are playing at.

I didn't say money isn't important. I said why would money be the only important thing in your life.

Once again, not caring if you win or lose is critical to improving. You need to accept losses as part of the learning process. The only way you should care about the results of a match after it finishes is if you are getting paid or play professionally. Winning is fun, but isn't critical to improving. People who freak out about losing points in MMR are playing for the wrong reasons.

I haven't gained any MMR in my last 6 solo games. Yet, I don't mind since I have won half my games and the other half I lost because the team couldn't pull it together.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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