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Ranked matchmaking coming to Dota 2 - Page 74
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
Another matchmaking ace in the hole... | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
cmon guys... | ||
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hfglgg
Germany5372 Posts
even a child should clearly see that every external effect happens more often to the opponent team than to yours. means: every leaver, feeder, troll increases your rating over time. but nope, better not use brain. just complain for no reason at all. there is a qq thread for that... | ||
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thOr6136
Slovenia1775 Posts
On December 29 2013 07:59 Esoterikk wrote: I posted this in the GD thread but it probably belongs here instead. Should I give a shit about my rating? Just had a losing streak in ranked and legit considered not playing the mode anymore. Ladder anxiety never really bothered me in Sc2 but in Dota the fear of getting a retarded team is getting to me. Just play unranked? Don't give a shit about rating? trying to nip this in the bud before it ruins dota for me. In my opinion you should not have rating in your head, at least not while playing. The fact is mmr represents our skill and we all want to have more skill = more rating. But there we are, losing our precious points, getting some, we hit plateau and for some time we stay there. If you have been playing for quiet a while there is a high chance you hit plateau already. Seeing that we don't gain points damages our ego, losing even more, it makes us hard to play dota (ranked), because humans like "fast gain". We also can get too obsessed with points. When losing you see points, when you make a mistake you see points, maybe subconsciously, maybe consciously. But what you should be seeing is why you are losing and what mistakes you are making so you can learn from it and correct it. Losing streaks are part of playing, you gain some, you lose some. Losing is temporary, if you learn from it. It might seem like nothing at first but all things add up and after a while you should be gaining points if you are becoming better. Maybe i am being too philosophical but i think a lot of people are just blinded by mmr. Some even stop playing because of it. I think you should be playing ranked, because there is competition and if you strive for that it's good. When i went into normal match the other day i didn't even care about the outcome. I should, but i didn't, oh well. Also, i think you should care about winning. It's perfectly ok to lose, but giving it your all every game is essential. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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makmeatt
2024 Posts
On December 29 2013 19:40 zezamer wrote: Only thing essential is having fun. There's a straight path down the road from there, leading to the destructive village of 'I don't care'. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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Kemy
105 Posts
Let's say you play at mmr 3500 and manage to get a winrate of 55% which is already pretty good and reasonable for soloqueue. This means that out of 100 games you win 10 games more than you lose and your rating will thus increase by 10*~25 = 250 pts over these 100 games (which may take weeks to play) up to 3750. Compare this to a player X who already reached his "true" rating of 3500 with a 50% winrate over a large amount of games. This means that in comparison with this player X your skill was a differentiating factor in only 5 of the 100 games at mmr 3500 which you won due to your performance and which the player X would have lost because he is a tiny bit worse. Those 5 games are the difference between a 3750 ranked guy and a 3500 ranked guy. It really is nothing. And this is still subject to a lot of variance. Maybe you have bad luck and it takes 300 games for you to get those 15 wins that actually count (which will boost you up to 4250 rating). Just play the game and don't worry too much about the change in rating after each game. It makes more sense to look back in a month or two. Everything will balance out, the abandons, the bad players, the players with bad days etc. | ||
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thOr6136
Slovenia1775 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:59 zezamer wrote: Most of us don't make living of this game so whether you win/loss is actually meaningless so not caring is fine i am talking about improving at dota, not playing casually for fun and not caring about any game you play why would money be the only important thing in your life? so sad | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
4100 to near 3900 after a few games...is the exact same story again but now the oppo seems to try real hard in RMM (which is logically)..i won hardlane/1v2 and then team derped, i didnt win hardlane = 80%+ team will lose. Funny thing is that i notice some players said sorry because they were tired or something like that, something new >_> and oh yes, kaolin that hero..... | ||
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makmeatt
2024 Posts
On December 30 2013 00:36 BurningSera wrote: ok i am not playing solo mm anymore....The fact that i thought they would allow actual solo queue vs solo queue as Solo MM so i was ok with that but now it is just pure pointless. 4100 to near 3900 after a few games...is the exact same story again but now the oppo seems to try real hard in RMM (which is logically)..i won hardlane/1v2 and then team derped, i didnt win hardlane = 80%+ team will lose. Funny thing is that i notice some players said sorry because they were tired or something like that, something new >_> and oh yes, kaolin that hero..... ...why do you of all people care? On December 29 2013 20:59 zezamer wrote: Most of us don't make living of this game so whether you win/loss is actually meaningless so not caring is fine Not caring is fine in unranked matches and we don't cover these here. Like, no offense, but if you are about to jump out with a 'i can't care less what people in ranked think' card, there's something called netiquette and being emphatetic to ambitions of others. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
haha i dont care but the number can be annoying on the screen, was just giving a try this solo RMM (i couldn't play dota2 properly until about 5days ago in the last 5months). Just going to play the 'casual' mm whenever i am solo now. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
On December 30 2013 00:33 thOr6136 wrote: i am talking about improving at dota, not playing casually for fun and not caring about any game you play why would money be the only important thing in your life? so sad you improve faster in dota if you have fun while playing because you play more? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 30 2013 00:33 thOr6136 wrote: i am talking about improving at dota, not playing casually for fun and not caring about any game you play why would money be the only important thing in your life? so sad Guess what? I play casually and I also want to improve. I always play to win, but I don't care if I lose because that is part of the game. The world of Dota 2 is not made of "tryhards" and "casuals". There are many levels of "caring". Edit: Money is always super important. It pays the bills. | ||
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thOr6136
Slovenia1775 Posts
What i am trying to say is, why wouldn't you want to improve at something where you are not getting paid for. I am trying to argue what he stated in his post, "because you are not getting paid at dota, you shouldn't care about winning". If you want to improve you also want to win the game as badly as you can, that's obvious. And by casual i meant not caring about improving and winning, not the tier or skill you are playing at. I didn't say money isn't important. I said why would money be the only important thing in your life. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
you shouldnt play dota if you dont enjoy it at all just for the sake of improvement because you dont gain anything for playing dota of course you can improve and have fun, i myself enjoy trying to play better (= improving) but i wouldnt do it if i didnt have fun while doing it and i never said "money is only important thing" ? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 30 2013 01:34 thOr6136 wrote: Lol you guys mix up words. Or maybe i am not expressing myself correctly. What i am trying to say is, why wouldn't you want to improve at something where you are not getting paid for. I am trying to argue what he stated in his post, "because you are not getting paid at dota, you shouldn't care about winning". If you want to improve you also want to win the game as badly as you can, that's obvious. And by casual i meant not caring about improving and winning, not the tier or skill you are playing at. I didn't say money isn't important. I said why would money be the only important thing in your life. Once again, not caring if you win or lose is critical to improving. You need to accept losses as part of the learning process. The only way you should care about the results of a match after it finishes is if you are getting paid or play professionally. Winning is fun, but isn't critical to improving. People who freak out about losing points in MMR are playing for the wrong reasons. I haven't gained any MMR in my last 6 solo games. Yet, I don't mind since I have won half my games and the other half I lost because the team couldn't pull it together. | ||
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