EPTIt almost feels as if Valve read the last thread on TL about this (that was a bit of a shitstorm) and made sure to implement the ranked mode in a way to keep everyone as happy as possible.
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Myrddraal
Australia937 Posts
It almost feels as if Valve read the last thread on TL about this (that was a bit of a shitstorm) and made sure to implement the ranked mode in a way to keep everyone as happy as possible. | ||
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
Because the current iteration of TMM is currently the worst thing that they have in the game. It has 0 bearing on how good a team is and makes it so that it is better to stack pubs than play TMM to get a higher number. No offense to Alurr, but honestly he and his buddies are the second best team in TMM right now. Now it's true they prety much wipe the floor with 90% of amateur teams, but that doesn't mean anything when they go up against teams that are even 3rd tier Dota teams. Pro teams that can actually make and participate in competitions like the MLG qualifiers, like Starladder, like EMS deserve to be invited over teams that just ladder all day. You will almost never get pro teams playing seriously on ladder, and with the competitions being spread out over a number of private tournaments you really never should. So if you have poor competition on ladder and you can beat it, sorry but you shouldn't be rewarded for that. I don't care about online pubstars when it comes to The International. I care about teams that are good enough to make big tournaments with some level of consistency to prove they should make TI. Not to mention the fact that there is no regional ladders, so you'd be having teams from all over the world competing for one spot from the ladder. Two at the best really. Like how in the world does this not sound absurd now? So, sorry but no, I consider this to be an awful idea until TMM is completely reworked and made to be somewhat passable. | ||
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njt7
Sweden769 Posts
Just because something is a specific way today doesnt mean it will be the same forever etc. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On December 08 2013 09:22 Baarn wrote: Sure it'd be nice to have a separate qualifier for those teams to build more hype for the ti4 and add some more storylines. I'm just saying from an amateur perspective it would be a hard road. Hell even for pro teams. I don't want to beat anybody up that has aspirations to play on that level. It's a lot different game than sc2. Egos clash and teams drop players. Look at ti3 with invited pro teams that had stable rosters up until right before the event and they had drama? Dota is a hard game.  Obviously, but even for the amateur teams who didn't win - if the ladder was super competitive, even top 10 teams might get noticed, etc. The amateur scene is dota right now is pretty challenging and competitive and there is very little recognition. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On December 08 2013 11:49 iokke wrote: I know but I do want to play ranked, that was the point... I just hope that it won't be so stale/boring that I have to go back to normal What do you archive from playing rank and put your team on handicap though? If you go random and get good hero, then good, if you get bad hero, then the 50/50 becomes 40/60 or something. I don't mind people going random, but if they do something to screw team up, they have to prepare to accept the consequence, which is getting yelled at. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On December 08 2013 13:33 canikizu wrote: What do you archive from playing rank and put your team on handicap though? If you go random and get good hero, then good, if you get bad hero, then the 50/50 becomes 40/60 or something. I don't mind people going random, but if they do something to screw team up, they have to prepare to accept the consequence, which is getting yelled at. Personally I don't care if someone randoms or goes Dazzle mid if they do their job properly. The people who are like "omg you can't do that because my favorite team doesn't do that!!!11" are much more annoying than someone who randoms a Medusa but knows how to play her properly. | ||
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rob.au
1087 Posts
On December 08 2013 12:31 LeLoup wrote: Because the current iteration of TMM is currently the worst thing that they have in the game. It has 0 bearing on how good a team is and makes it so that it is better to stack pubs than play TMM to get a higher number. No offense to Alurr, but honestly he and his buddies are the second best team in TMM right now. Now it's true they prety much wipe the floor with 90% of amateur teams, but that doesn't mean anything when they go up against teams that are even 3rd tier Dota teams. Pro teams that can actually make and participate in competitions like the MLG qualifiers, like Starladder, like EMS deserve to be invited over teams that just ladder all day. You will almost never get pro teams playing seriously on ladder, and with the competitions being spread out over a number of private tournaments you really never should. So if you have poor competition on ladder and you can beat it, sorry but you shouldn't be rewarded for that. I don't care about online pubstars when it comes to The International. I care about teams that are good enough to make big tournaments with some level of consistency to prove they should make TI. Not to mention the fact that there is no regional ladders, so you'd be having teams from all over the world competing for one spot from the ladder. Two at the best really. Like how in the world does this not sound absurd now? So, sorry but no, I consider this to be an awful idea until TMM is completely reworked and made to be somewhat passable. You seem to miss the point. The point is if there was a reward like an invitation to ti5 then you would have tier2/3/etc pro teams playing the ladder to try get invited to ti5. Amateur teams then get good experience and can improve, star players from amateur teams might get picked up by pro teams, etc.. It develops the pro scene. Of course no one is saying TMM would be kept exactly the same, I don't know why you infer this. No one is even talking about specifics because there are a ton of different options. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On December 08 2013 13:38 r.Evo wrote: Personally I don't care if someone randoms or goes Dazzle mid if they do their job properly. The people who are like "omg you can't do that because my favorite team doesn't do that!!!11" are much more annoying than someone who randoms a Medusa but knows how to play her properly. Yeah, that's what I mean. If you do something that out of ordinary/potentially trolling, then you have to prepare to take the consequence. If you go Dazzle mid, sure people will whine at the beginning, but if you do good, they will shut up, but if you do bad, you should know that it's your fault and don't be surprised that people yell at you. imo, the guy who does "omg you can't do that because my favorite team doesn't do that!!" is annoying, but not as annoying as the guy who does "i saw my favorite pro troll around with this hero and win, so it's viable, don't worry guys i can do that too." | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On December 08 2013 13:38 aintz wrote: random is where its at, if all 5 players random your starting with a 1k+ gold lead, EZZZZZZ 5 random into 5 midas | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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rob.au
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Tyrran
France777 Posts
On December 08 2013 12:31 LeLoup wrote: Because the current iteration of TMM is currently the worst thing that they have in the game. It has 0 bearing on how good a team is and makes it so that it is better to stack pubs than play TMM to get a higher number. No offense to Alurr, but honestly he and his buddies are the second best team in TMM right now. Now it's true they prety much wipe the floor with 90% of amateur teams, but that doesn't mean anything when they go up against teams that are even 3rd tier Dota teams. Pro teams that can actually make and participate in competitions like the MLG qualifiers, like Starladder, like EMS deserve to be invited over teams that just ladder all day. You will almost never get pro teams playing seriously on ladder, and with the competitions being spread out over a number of private tournaments you really never should. So if you have poor competition on ladder and you can beat it, sorry but you shouldn't be rewarded for that. I don't care about online pubstars when it comes to The International. I care about teams that are good enough to make big tournaments with some level of consistency to prove they should make TI. Not to mention the fact that there is no regional ladders, so you'd be having teams from all over the world competing for one spot from the ladder. Two at the best really. Like how in the world does this not sound absurd now? So, sorry but no, I consider this to be an awful idea until TMM is completely reworked and made to be somewhat passable. I think the whole goal of this idea is that the ladder becomes serious competition. If there is a possible TI invite, i dont see why " 3rd tier" Dota team should not be actively trying to get at the top of the ladder. And thus the currentTMM champs swount be champs anymore =p | ||
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yyfpulls
United States2185 Posts
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Avs
Korea (North)857 Posts
On December 08 2013 16:12 yyfpulls wrote: ladder anxiety has come at last to dota2 Except you can blame up to 4 other players on your team AND 5 other players on the opposite team AND valve. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On December 08 2013 16:16 Avs wrote: Except you can blame up to 4 other players on your team AND 5 other players on the opposite team AND valve. Sure, becuz u never got blamed ever in dota2 before, like never ever. | ||
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Mutineer
New Zealand179 Posts
On December 07 2013 12:32 OutlaW- wrote: I don't like this, It's just going to split the community in 2. I tend to agree. It is bad because it will make more dificult to find good maches, increase waiting time or increase skill level gap. In addition I do not belieeve in resonal mmr in dota like game. For example as support you more often then not have less influence on the result then carry. There was many games where supports dominate early game, but if team carry does not carry team loosing tate game. Basically it will damage maches, every one will want to play carry in ranking maches, there will be little experementations with heroes, et.. I do not like it. | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
On December 08 2013 13:42 canikizu wrote: Yeah, that's what I mean. If you do something that out of ordinary/potentially trolling, then you have to prepare to take the consequence. If you go Dazzle mid, sure people will whine at the beginning, but if you do good, they will shut up, but if you do bad, you should know that it's your fault and don't be surprised that people yell at you. imo, the guy who does "omg you can't do that because my favorite team doesn't do that!!" is annoying, but not as annoying as the guy who does "i saw my favorite pro troll around with this hero and win, so it's viable, don't worry guys i can do that too." I wish more people had this mentality. Not long ago I had a mid magnus in my team that never skilled shockwave (against pudge so i guess he didn't really need it to farm..). He went full carry with battlefury/mom/daedalus, no blink and somehow managed to wreck the ennemy team and win us the game. Meanwhile one of our players kept bitching at him because he was not doing a standard build... Ok I understand this build was awful, but it worked for this game so there is nothing to complain about. By the way rp+AA ult is disgusting :D | ||
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