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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
Video of thugs cutting a leg off of a captured anti-maidan supporter. Police just standing by. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On May 03 2014 06:14 Gorsameth wrote: Do the people in the west care? More or less yes. Ofc your far away from us but no one deserves what is happening to your country. The politicians however.. Ukraine isn't going to benefit the EU, just cost it. They probably want to intervene but Russia is being aggressive and no one has the balls to tell Putin to back off. A lot of Europe relies on Russia for its gas and there not willing to risk that or WW3 over you. It sucks but such is the world today it seems  Far away? 1800 km between our countries, but I highly doubt that every single person in eu knows where ukraine's situated on europe's map  Am starting to think that Ukraine is going to be traded somehow between US/Russia | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On May 03 2014 06:17 zeo wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv9J3OYlaoA Video of thugs cutting a leg off of a captured anti-maidan supporter. Police just standing by. video of a police officer trying to apply medical help to an unidentified person with a cut on his leg while. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On May 03 2014 06:16 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Yes Finland is western country. But so many times you hear, west thinks this and that even tho there are quite different opinions in western countries. Only biggest ones get to be heard (US, UK, FR and GER) mostly. And back to question that do west care. I do, and I know that most people do. But goverments mostly think about money and russia instead of ukrainian people. That's what I wanted to hear. Agreed with ur statement about governments, but the most important thing is that u personally care, and ur friend for example, and his relatives, and the same with country next to yours, spreading some support between normal people already means something, everything "big" starts from such things basicly. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On May 03 2014 06:21 Sub40APM wrote: video of a police officer trying to apply medical help to an unidentified person with a cut on his leg while. Wow, just wow. People with obvious markings tying them to the maidan side hitting a helpless man so many times they practically cut off his leg and thats the best you can come up with? How much blood and death will be enough? | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On May 03 2014 06:26 zeo wrote: Wow, just wow. People with obvious markings tying them to the maidan side hitting a helpless man so many times they practically cut off his leg and thats the best you can come up with? How much blood and death will be enough? The guy on the ground has also "obvious markings" tying him to the maidan side, red/black right sector tassles. Then the police comes in, the thugs run away and the police provides medical help. Everyone involved is speaking in Russian. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On May 03 2014 06:34 Sub40APM wrote: The guy on the ground has also "obvious markings" tying him to the maidan side, red/black right sector tassles. Then the police comes in, the thugs run away and the police provides medical help. Everyone involved is speaking in Russian. He is wearing a red armband that means he is with federalists. Its is not red and black. Stop it at 9:30, thin red armband | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On May 03 2014 06:38 zeo wrote: He is wearing a red armband that means he is with federalists. Its is not red and black I've got a personal question for u. How many times u've been wawing russian flag today? | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On May 03 2014 06:38 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I've got a personal question for u. How many times u've been wawing russian flag today? And I've got a question for you too. Why doesn't Kiev negotiate with the protesters in the east, do constitutional reform on decentralization, give them amnesty and include their representatives in government, make Russian a second official language and solve the problem? Instead of arming right-sector. Tomorrow these thugs will be in Kharkiv setting fire to your neighbors, your friends, people who have nothing to do with anything. What then? The only crime these people committed was collecting signatures for a referendum. | ||
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
Although I do feel sorrow for those affected in the current tragedy, all I will simply say is, I hope those responsible for heinous crimes atone. (I do not care to take a stand on any "sides", that is sheer stupidity since atrocities are atrocities, there is no side to it). Perhaps they will, perhaps they never will. Perhaps in their next life or plane of existence they will. I feel sorry for the citizens, that are trying to live their daily lives, that get mired in these struggles. Technology may advance, but perhaps the cycle of war will never end. | ||
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Rowrin
United States280 Posts
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Sub40APM
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On May 03 2014 06:40 zeo wrote: And I've got a question for you too. Why doesn't Kiev negotiate with the protesters in the east, do constitutional reform on decentralization, give them amnesty and include their representatives in government, make Russian a second official language and solve the problem? Instead of arming right-sector. Tomorrow these thugs will be in Kharkiv setting fire to your neighbors, your friends, people who have nothing to do with anything. What then? The only crime these people committed was collecting signatures for a referendum. guy sitting in Serbia telling Russian speaking Ukrainian guy in Eastern Ukraine how to live. I cant decide if this is more brazen than the Hitler onto Maidan fiasco or less. | ||
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Greem
730 Posts
On May 03 2014 06:38 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I've got a personal question for u. How many times u've been wawing russian flag today? No one will help you, this is politics no white or black, you may hate russian president and politics all you want, that also wont change a thing, hes not evil, neither is he good, as the rest of politicians from any given country, despite the appereances. And dont do a typical mistakes and use word "Flag" "color" "country" it makes people from other country react to this , this globalized words refer to all the citizens and culture to that flag you mention. This is how we got to this point, and this is why the country is so divided and polarized. If i remember correctly , at the begining of this thread you were anti-maidan , so to speak, and your father lost his job, or something similar, now you took another side, tell me, is something different for you ? I bet its not. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On May 03 2014 06:47 Sub40APM wrote: guy sitting in Serbia telling Russian speaking Ukrainian guy in Eastern Ukraine how to live. I cant decide if this is more brazen than the Hitler onto Maidan fiasco or less. I'm sure an American telling him how to live is much better. @Greem When maidan took over the news networks in the country they started propagandering hard, its normal for people to fall into disinformation when they have no other source. I mean, look at Ukrainian media today television channels ect. and see how the reacted to the now 43 people dieing | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On May 03 2014 06:49 Greem wrote: No one will help you, this is politics no white or black, you may hate russian president and politics all you want, that also wont change a thing, hes not evil, neither is he good, as the rest of politicians from any given country, despite the appereances. What a strange attitude to take. He is obviously worse than politicians in democratic countries that when their terms of office comes choose to retire from politics instead of maintain their power. And he is better than someone like Zyganov. Contrary to your cynicism, reforms are possible. Many Eastern European countries were in the same position as Ukraine was in 89 or 91 and they've improved significantly -- and things in them have improved for everyone. And many countries were worse of than Ukraine in 91 and gotten worse too, like all the Stans except Kazakhstan. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On May 03 2014 06:40 zeo wrote: And I've got a question for you too. Why doesn't Kiev negotiate with the protesters in the east, do constitutional reform on decentralization, give them amnesty and include their representatives in government, make Russian a second official language and solve the problem? Instead of arming right-sector. Tomorrow these thugs will be in Kharkiv setting fire to your neighbors, your friends, people who have nothing to do with anything. What then? The only crime these people committed was collecting signatures for a referendum. Gimme few minutes, I'll call Turchinov and ask him the exact question. Negotiate with protesters in Sloviansk? :D Negotiations with terrorist in this case is something weird. 3 weeks until ukrainian elections and referendum, every single person who is a citizen of this country can decide, not by acting like terrorists, in a peaceful way, but ofc it's better to destabilize even further, right? And ofc it's not in what Putin interested in, right? About language, stop even mention this, both languages wide spreading all over the country, and it nobody the fuck cares what language u're going to speak, russian or ukrainian. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On May 03 2014 06:58 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Gimme few minutes, I'll call Turchinov and ask him the exact question. Negotiate with protesters in Sloviansk? :D Negotiations with terrorist in this case is something weird. 3 weeks until ukrainian elections and referendum, every single person who is a citizen of this country can decide, not by acting like terrorists, in a peaceful way, but ofc it's better to destabilize even further, right? And ofc it's not in what Putin interested in, right? About language, stop even mention this, both languages wide spreading all over the country, and it nobody the fuck cares what language u're going to speak, russian or ukrainian.Well I'm sure that the people running your country who came to power in a coup, are doing a smashing job of stabilizing the country they destabilized by coming to power in a violent fashion. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On May 03 2014 06:49 Greem wrote: No one will help you, this is politics no white or black, you may hate russian president and politics all you want, that also wont change a thing, hes not evil, neither is he good, as the rest of politicians from any given country, despite the appereances. And dont do a typical mistakes and use word "Flag" "color" "country" it makes people from other country react to this , this globalized words refer to all the citizens and culture to that flag you mention. This is how we got to this point, and this is why the country is so divided and polarized. If i remember correctly , at the begining of this thread you were anti-maidan , so to speak, and your father lost his job, or something similar, now you took another side, tell me, is something different for you ? I bet its not. Yes, I was anti-maidan at the very beggining, than things started to change rapidly, my dad didn't lost his job, i realised he was over-polarized, he had "a bad feeling", he's still bashing things sometimes. Few friends of mine took the red corner of this battle, u was shocked how cruel people might be. Some of my friends were dreaming about russian tanks in our streets, they clearly belived in a bright future with Russia by this way. Seriously? Tanks in a ciy streets is a good sign? Slavic union? USSR? The next thing, wearing ukrainian colors in ukraine is normal i think, right? But some elder generations, basicly those who was born in USSR might call u a brainless banderovets, simple cause u're in national colors of your country, u are becoming a personal enemy of them, is it okay? And at the same time they thinks it's fine to wave russian flag with red comminist flag aswell, and shouting "Ros-si-ya". And the very last thing, Czech republic used to be a part of communis block after WW2, they're also slavic, right? Look at them now, look at their country, u won't find that big difference between people in finansional terms, when at the same time, here, in ukraine and russia, we have a huge difference, we got many oligarchs aswell as many poor people, It should not be that way, look at average life level in Ukraine/Russian and Czech Republic, and make a comparison. It's not a mistake to tell about "flag", "color" and so on, it's one of the biggest purposes atm. U can simply ingore it now. See, I've got a plenty of reasons to change my point of view dramatically during last few months. It won't be a short-list. | ||
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Greem
730 Posts
On May 03 2014 06:55 Sub40APM wrote: What a strange attitude to take. He is obviously worse than politicians in democratic countries that when their terms of office comes choose to retire from politics instead of maintain their power. And he is better than someone like Zyganov. Contrary to your cynicism, reforms are possible. Many Eastern European countries were in the same position as Ukraine was in 89 or 91 and they've improved significantly -- and things in them have improved for everyone. And many countries were worse of than Ukraine in 91 and gotten worse too, like all the Stans except Kazakhstan. Despite all the things he is or he's not, there is no better president for Russia then Putin today, and thats the fact. You can't compare Russia to any small european country, i guess the comparison with United States wont be that accurate either, or China in that regard, you cannot judge everyone by the same manner, we speaking about different enviroments, cultures, historys, so calling Putin in any of possible or impossible situation good or evil, is wrong, that all i say. We don't know what woud happened to Ukraine IF this or IF that. I tried to search for economic comparisons between the Soviet Ukraine and Ukraine after 1991 untill today, i kinda didn't find anything usefull , so its hard to predict anything and what would be best, culturally Ukraine was never far from Russia, so its hard to imagine what would happened if Ukraine was a part of EU for example because of that. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On May 03 2014 07:02 zeo wrote: Well I'm sure that the people running your country who came to power in a coup, are doing a smashing job of stabilizing the country they destabilized by coming to power in a violent fashion. Violence is bad, always! Answering violently for violence is even worse. I was always against violence, ever since the beggining of maidan (which why I used to be against maidan, the main reason - I never want people to die from both sides), but when it gets too far like now, u should never answer violently. Simply, just drop the fucking weapon. Wait till elections and referendum, catch every single russian agent, put in prison every single person that made a crime during this crisis, every single from both sides, and let people to build their country, stop robbing, help people, guide people to a modern society, to a western society, not to a imperialistic one. | ||
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