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				Iran-style retaliation from the West, which would include freezing Russia’s foreign reserves, banking assets and halting lending to companies, is being treated as an unlikely worst case, according to the people, who asked not to be identified as talks are confidential. Still, officials are calculating the economic cost of a sanctions war with the West, the people said.Source. 
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				On March 13 2014 23:49 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 23:30 Acertos wrote:On March 13 2014 23:07 PaleMan wrote:Acertos, or maybe US started another arabic spring by the book of Gene Sharp
 What if they started it? If the americans started the syrian revolution (which is not the case btw, it came after the tunisian revolution which was the first one) then Russia has to do everything in its power to prevent it from succeeding? Syria's regime was corrupted, favorised an elite and worse different etnicities. Now if the US had interest in starting a revolution which goal is to have a liberal friendly (West friendly) and democratic (the goal of the protesters) regime. There are no moral nor logical reasons for Russia preventing it, it just acted in fascist and Cold War like fashion without any regards for human beings and even if the US had interests, their action would have helped the population of Syria. You can hate the US all you want and you seem to have a problem with things US related but you shouldn't become the advocate of wars just because of it. every regime is corrupted even so called demoratic regimes if you don't understand this you better not post in political threads at all USA is interested in chaos throughout the world its good for dollar 
 There are levels of corruption though. There is corruption and there is Sochi corruption
 
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						what those troops are doing in Germany?
							
							 
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						 Germany can't  defend itself from someone?
 
 maybe you have "multiple possible results to an election" because there is no difference at all who wins?
 he/she will do the same under US dictatorship
 
 we have Putin vs some fascist guys, american lovers, european lovers etc.
 
 of course Putin wins vs them, lol
 
 
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				On March 13 2014 23:40 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 23:30 Acertos wrote:On March 13 2014 23:07 PaleMan wrote:Acertos, or maybe US started another arabic spring by the book of Gene Sharp
 What if they started it? If the americans started the syrian revolution (which is not the case btw, it came after the tunisian revolution which was the first one) then Russia has to do everything in its power to prevent it from succeeding? Syria's regime was corrupted, favorised an elite and worse different etnicities. Now if the US had interest in starting a revolution which goal is to have a liberal friendly (West friendly) and democratic (the goal of the protesters) regime. There are no moral nor logical reasons for Russia preventing it, it just acted in fascist and Cold War like fashion without any regards for human beings and even if the US had interests, their action would have helped the population of Syria. You can hate the US all you want and you seem to have a problem with things US related but you shouldn't become the advocate of wars just because of it. You need to stop using word "fascist" when you have no idea about its meaning. Everything in politics has logical reasons, learn it. You just can have no idea about their logic, that's all. Don't talk to me like I'm dumb, I choose my words.
 I can give you the definition again, facism is an extremely authoritarian political attitude that involves populism and ultranationalism. It was first theorized by Mussolini.
 Putin uses propaganda, media control and has been in power for more than 15 yrs. He uses the national sentiment well and imposes his views unilateraly to other nations with force. He has everything that defines a fascist dictator which include refusing the global order, in his case it's the West.
 
 Not everything in Politics is well thought, you don't have to put politicians on piedestals. Well I should have worded it better with the reasons for blocking the intervention in Syria were not moral nor intelligent.
 Imo Russia blocking UN intervention in Syria was stupid, the only thing Putin gained is some kind of fear / respect from other countries and the feeling that the world can't do anything without Russia. It just tends to worsen the relations between Russia and other nations, and Russia won't have an ally in Assad because the regime will eventually fall, Russia will only gain the hatred of the islamists that may come in power later. Even if Putin now know it was a stupid decision which he must do, he has to go along with it to maintain Russia's position and facade (which is normal in politics).
 
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				On March 14 2014 00:04 PaleMan wrote:what those troops are doing in Germany?
 Germany can't  defend itself from someone?
 
 maybe you have "multiple possible results to an election" because there is no difference at all who wins?
 he/she will do the same under US dictatorship
 
 we have Putin vs some fascist guys, american lovers, european lovers etc.
 
 of course Putin wins vs them, lol
 
 
 some have friends, some dont. Does that bother you?
 
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				On March 14 2014 00:04 PaleMan wrote:what those troops are doing in Germany?
 Germany can't  defend itself from someone?
 
 maybe you have "multiple possible results to an election" because there is no difference at all who wins?
 he/she will do the same under US dictatorship
 
 we have Putin vs some fascist guys, american lovers, european lovers etc.
 
 of course Putin wins vs them, lol
 
 Among other things those bases are used to start missions in other countries.
 And we could defend ourselves from some enemies, but not from all of them, I wouldn't even want to have an army large enough for that though since it would be an incredible waste of money.
 And you apparently don't know what the word dictatorship means, you also have no idea about Germany and if you look up the definition of fascism you'll see that it fits Putin quite well.
 
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						 On March 14 2014 00:06 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:04 PaleMan wrote:what those troops are doing in Germany?
 Germany can't  defend itself from someone?
 
 maybe you have "multiple possible results to an election" because there is no difference at all who wins?
 he/she will do the same under US dictatorship
 
 we have Putin vs some fascist guys, american lovers, european lovers etc.
 
 of course Putin wins vs them, lol
 
 some have friends, some dont. Does that bother you? 
 nope at all
 
 my friends will never live in my flat being armed
 
 i don't need those types of friends
 
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						 On March 14 2014 00:09 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:04 PaleMan wrote:what those troops are doing in Germany?
 Germany can't  defend itself from someone?
 
 maybe you have "multiple possible results to an election" because there is no difference at all who wins?
 he/she will do the same under US dictatorship
 
 we have Putin vs some fascist guys, american lovers, european lovers etc.
 
 of course Putin wins vs them, lol
 
 And you apparently don't know what the word dictatorship means, you also have no idea about Germany and if you look up the definition of fascism you'll see that it fits Putin quite well. 
 could you make more detailed explanation how Putin fits on the definition of fascism
 i really like to read it
 
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				On March 14 2014 00:10 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:06 Fjodorov wrote:On March 14 2014 00:04 PaleMan wrote:what those troops are doing in Germany?
 Germany can't  defend itself from someone?
 
 maybe you have "multiple possible results to an election" because there is no difference at all who wins?
 he/she will do the same under US dictatorship
 
 we have Putin vs some fascist guys, american lovers, european lovers etc.
 
 of course Putin wins vs them, lol
 
 some have friends, some dont. Does that bother you? nope at all my friends will never live in my flat being armed i don't need those types of friends 
 So you disliked that russia had a large number of troops stationed in crimea for a long time?
 
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				Very long but definitely worth the read:
 
 Moscow aims to influence developments in Ukraine by using Crimea and the destabilization it has inspired in the eastern and southern regions to force Kyiv to adopt an entirely new model of governance. Russia’s preferred scenario is federalization (or even a confederated republic), which would grant Ukraine’s regions—especially those dominated by Russian-speaking Ukrainians and ethnic Russians—far-reaching political and economic autonomy. Russia probably calculates that, thanks to its largely unchallenged influence in Crimea and possibly in other regions, it will be able to obtain effective and long-term leverage over Ukraine’s main strategic decisions, including future moves on European integration. *** In order to achieve its aims, Moscow has effectively taken Crimea as its hostage and is now playing Ukraine against the West, forcing both sides to agree to Russian proposals. The Kremlin has openly used blackmail and is threatening to start a second phase of military operations in the eastern and southern parts of Ukraine. This is why Putin asked the Russian Federation Council for permission to use the country’s armed forces in Ukraine and why, in a recent press conference, he did not rule out the possibility that Moscow might eventually see a need to send in its troops. The ongoing Russia-inspired turmoil in the Ukrainian cities of Lugansk, Donetsk, Kharkiv, and Odessa suggests that Moscow hopes to create alternative centers of power beyond Crimea in order to enhance its influence on both Kyiv and the West. The most promising target is Odessa and the wider Odessa region, where pro-Russian groups may attempt to organize a Crimea-type referendum. Russians constitute 29 percent of the population in Odessa and 21 percent of the population in the greater Odessa region. At the same time, Moscow is sending signals that might be able to de-escalate the conflict—but at a significant price. This was a clear message in Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov’s recent, self-confident speech, in which he said that Russia was open to further dialogue with the West but “without attempts to make . . . [Moscow] look like a party to the conflict” because Russia “didn’t create this crisis.” Moscow perceives the West as divided and reluctant to confront Russia and, consequently, as being sufficiently pragmatic to eventually accept Russia’s solution to the Ukrainian crisis.Source.
 Also, please stop feeding the troll. You're arguing with someone who's clearly not listening to a word you're saying, and has been banned every time he's come into this thread. I expect a perm in hours. You're wasting your time.
 
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				On March 14 2014 00:12 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:09 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 00:04 PaleMan wrote:what those troops are doing in Germany?
 Germany can't  defend itself from someone?
 
 maybe you have "multiple possible results to an election" because there is no difference at all who wins?
 he/she will do the same under US dictatorship
 
 we have Putin vs some fascist guys, american lovers, european lovers etc.
 
 of course Putin wins vs them, lol
 
 And you apparently don't know what the word dictatorship means, you also have no idea about Germany and if you look up the definition of fascism you'll see that it fits Putin quite well. could you make more detailed explanation how Putin fits on the definition of fascism i really like to read it 
 Read what acertos wrote a few posts up. Its quite accurate.
 
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				On March 14 2014 00:12 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:09 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 00:04 PaleMan wrote:what those troops are doing in Germany?
 Germany can't  defend itself from someone?
 
 maybe you have "multiple possible results to an election" because there is no difference at all who wins?
 he/she will do the same under US dictatorship
 
 we have Putin vs some fascist guys, american lovers, european lovers etc.
 
 of course Putin wins vs them, lol
 
 And you apparently don't know what the word dictatorship means, you also have no idea about Germany and if you look up the definition of fascism you'll see that it fits Putin quite well. could you make more detailed explanation how Putin fits on the definition of fascism i really like to read it 
 fas·cism  (făsh′ĭz′əm)n.
 1. often Fascism
 a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
 b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
 2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
 
 Sounds familiar?
 
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						 On March 14 2014 00:15 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:12 PaleMan wrote:On March 14 2014 00:09 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 00:04 PaleMan wrote:what those troops are doing in Germany?
 Germany can't  defend itself from someone?
 
 maybe you have "multiple possible results to an election" because there is no difference at all who wins?
 he/she will do the same under US dictatorship
 
 we have Putin vs some fascist guys, american lovers, european lovers etc.
 
 of course Putin wins vs them, lol
 
 And you apparently don't know what the word dictatorship means, you also have no idea about Germany and if you look up the definition of fascism you'll see that it fits Putin quite well. could you make more detailed explanation how Putin fits on the definition of fascism i really like to read it Show nested quote +fas·cism  (făsh′ĭz′əm)n.
 1. often Fascism
 a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
 b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
 2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
 Sounds familiar? a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
 
 doesn't fits at all
 we have over 150 nationalities in Russia and minorities even have some advantages vs majorities
 
 also we have too much of oppositions - i read/hear a lot of "Putin is a dick" every day, even on TV
 i doubt you have this kind of wording about Merkel
 
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				On March 14 2014 00:19 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:15 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 00:12 PaleMan wrote:On March 14 2014 00:09 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 00:04 PaleMan wrote:what those troops are doing in Germany?
 Germany can't  defend itself from someone?
 
 maybe you have "multiple possible results to an election" because there is no difference at all who wins?
 he/she will do the same under US dictatorship
 
 we have Putin vs some fascist guys, american lovers, european lovers etc.
 
 of course Putin wins vs them, lol
 
 And you apparently don't know what the word dictatorship means, you also have no idea about Germany and if you look up the definition of fascism you'll see that it fits Putin quite well. could you make more detailed explanation how Putin fits on the definition of fascism i really like to read it fas·cism  (făsh′ĭz′əm)n.
 1. often Fascism
 a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
 b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
 2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
 Sounds familiar? a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. doesn't fits at all Yes it does, Putin is the leader of a thinly veiled dictatorship, the whole country is centralized under him and he even seized control of the russian economy with the price of it becoming worse, the press us under his control and censored and the most prominent figure of the opposition was put under house-arrest before the action in crimea began in addition to all of that he just invaded a country for ethnic reasons, the definition fits Putin perfectly.
 
 
 also we have too much of oppositions - i read/hear a lot of "Putin is a dick" every day, even on TV
 And you believe that that somehow makes your press balanced? Of course he'll allow some limited criticism to make the completely biased view of the newsstations he controls more believable.
 
 
 i doubt you have this kind of wording about Merkel You're a funny guy.
 Merkel gets criticized all the time in the media and I mean actual critique, not the farce that you're getting in russia's newspapers and tv stations about Putin.
 
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						i see you know everything i'm getting from newspapers and tv stations in my country, right?
							
							 
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 at least its not occupied by american army
 
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				On March 14 2014 00:29 PaleMan wrote:
 at least its not occupied by american army
 
 Lol, the guys were right, when you can't react to critique about your country you really fall back to mentioning america.
 Does this count as trolling by now?
 
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						 On March 14 2014 00:32 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:29 PaleMan wrote:
 at least its not occupied by american army
 Lol, the guys were right, when you can't react to critique about your country you really fall back to mentioning america. Does this count as trolling by now? 
 vice versa
 you can't explain what american troops are doing in Germany so you better tell me how fascist Putin is
 
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				On March 14 2014 00:33 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:32 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 00:29 PaleMan wrote:
 at least its not occupied by american army
 Lol, the guys were right, when you can't react to critique about your country you really fall back to mentioning america. Does this count as trolling by now? vice versa you can't explain what american troops are doing in Germany so you better tell me how fascist Putin is 
 Wat
 You ASKED me to tell you how Putin resembles a fascist dictator and I already did give you 2 reasons for why they are here.
 If you're really trolling then you're doing a poor job, m8.
 
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				On March 14 2014 00:19 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:15 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 00:12 PaleMan wrote:On March 14 2014 00:09 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 00:04 PaleMan wrote:what those troops are doing in Germany?
 Germany can't  defend itself from someone?
 
 maybe you have "multiple possible results to an election" because there is no difference at all who wins?
 he/she will do the same under US dictatorship
 
 we have Putin vs some fascist guys, american lovers, european lovers etc.
 
 of course Putin wins vs them, lol
 
 And you apparently don't know what the word dictatorship means, you also have no idea about Germany and if you look up the definition of fascism you'll see that it fits Putin quite well. could you make more detailed explanation how Putin fits on the definition of fascism i really like to read it fas·cism  (făsh′ĭz′əm)n.
 1. often Fascism
 a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
 b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
 2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
 Sounds familiar? a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. doesn't fits at all we have over 150 nationalities in Russia and minorities even have some advantages vs majorities also we have too much of oppositions - i read/hear a lot of "Putin is a dick" every day, even on TV i doubt you have this kind of wording about Merkel Well Merkel has no dick... but I am sure people say rude things about Merkel in Germany as well. They do so in Croatia about our prime minister and our media is more similar to Russia then Germany
 
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