Ukraine Crisis - Page 284

Iran-style retaliation from the West, which would include freezing Russia’s foreign reserves, banking assets and halting lending to companies, is being treated as an unlikely worst case, according to the people, who asked not to be identified as talks are confidential. Still, officials are calculating the economic cost of a sanctions war with the West, the people said.
Source.

On March 13 2014 23:49 PaleMan wrote:


every regime is corrupted even so called demoratic regimes

if you don't understand this you better not post in political threads at all
USA is interested in chaos throughout the world
its good for dollar

On March 13 2014 23:40 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:


You need to stop using word "fascist" when you have no idea about its meaning.
Everything in politics has logical reasons, learn it.
You just can have no idea about their logic, that's all.

On March 14 2014 00:04 PaleMan wrote:
what those troops are doing in Germany?
Germany can't defend itself from someone?

maybe you have "multiple possible results to an election" because there is no difference at all who wins?
he/she will do the same under US dictatorship

we have Putin vs some fascist guys, american lovers, european lovers etc.

of course Putin wins vs them, lol

On March 14 2014 00:04 PaleMan wrote:
what those troops are doing in Germany?
Germany can't defend itself from someone?

maybe you have "multiple possible results to an election" because there is no difference at all who wins?
he/she will do the same under US dictatorship

we have Putin vs some fascist guys, american lovers, european lovers etc.

of course Putin wins vs them, lol

On March 14 2014 00:06 Fjodorov wrote:


some have friends, some dont. Does that bother you?

On March 14 2014 00:09 SilentchiLL wrote:


And you apparently don't know what the word dictatorship means, you also have no idea about Germany and if you look up the definition of fascism you'll see that it fits Putin quite well.

On March 14 2014 00:10 PaleMan wrote:


nope at all

my friends will never live in my flat being armed

i don't need those types of friends

Moscow aims to influence developments in Ukraine by using Crimea and the destabilization it has inspired in the eastern and southern regions to force Kyiv to adopt an entirely new model of governance. Russia’s preferred scenario is federalization (or even a confederated republic), which would grant Ukraine’s regions—especially those dominated by Russian-speaking Ukrainians and ethnic Russians—far-reaching political and economic autonomy. Russia probably calculates that, thanks to its largely unchallenged influence in Crimea and possibly in other regions, it will be able to obtain effective and long-term leverage over Ukraine’s main strategic decisions, including future moves on European integration.

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In order to achieve its aims, Moscow has effectively taken Crimea as its hostage and is now playing Ukraine against the West, forcing both sides to agree to Russian proposals. The Kremlin has openly used blackmail and is threatening to start a second phase of military operations in the eastern and southern parts of Ukraine. This is why Putin asked the Russian Federation Council for permission to use the country’s armed forces in Ukraine and why, in a recent press conference, he did not rule out the possibility that Moscow might eventually see a need to send in its troops.

The ongoing Russia-inspired turmoil in the Ukrainian cities of Lugansk, Donetsk, Kharkiv, and Odessa suggests that Moscow hopes to create alternative centers of power beyond Crimea in order to enhance its influence on both Kyiv and the West. The most promising target is Odessa and the wider Odessa region, where pro-Russian groups may attempt to organize a Crimea-type referendum. Russians constitute 29 percent of the population in Odessa and 21 percent of the population in the greater Odessa region.

At the same time, Moscow is sending signals that might be able to de-escalate the conflict—but at a significant price. This was a clear message in Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov’s recent, self-confident speech, in which he said that Russia was open to further dialogue with the West but “without attempts to make . . . [Moscow] look like a party to the conflict” because Russia “didn’t create this crisis.” Moscow perceives the West as divided and reluctant to confront Russia and, consequently, as being sufficiently pragmatic to eventually accept Russia’s solution to the Ukrainian crisis.
Source.

On March 14 2014 00:12 PaleMan wrote:


could you make more detailed explanation how Putin fits on the definition of fascism
i really like to read it

On March 14 2014 00:12 PaleMan wrote:


could you make more detailed explanation how Putin fits on the definition of fascism
i really like to read it

fas·cism (făsh′ĭz′əm)
n.
1. often Fascism
a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

On March 14 2014 00:15 SilentchiLL wrote:



Sounds familiar?

On March 14 2014 00:19 PaleMan wrote:

a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

doesn't fits at all

also we have too much of oppositions - i read/hear a lot of "Putin is a dick" every day, even on TV

i doubt you have this kind of wording about Merkel

On March 14 2014 00:29 PaleMan wrote:

at least its not occupied by american army

On March 14 2014 00:32 SilentchiLL wrote:


Lol, the guys were right, when you can't react to critique about your country you really fall back to mentioning america.
Does this count as trolling by now?

On March 14 2014 00:33 PaleMan wrote:


vice versa
you can't explain what american troops are doing in Germany so you better tell me how fascist Putin is

On March 14 2014 00:19 PaleMan wrote:

a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

doesn't fits at all
we have over 150 nationalities in Russia and minorities even have some advantages vs majorities

also we have too much of oppositions - i read/hear a lot of "Putin is a dick" every day, even on TV
i doubt you have this kind of wording about Merkel