Ukraine Crisis - Page 282

On March 13 2014 21:54 Acertos wrote:

Yes and the arab spring revolutions are horrible things that should have never happened, it's better not trying and staying in a dictature than taking the risk of another dictature; There are example, good ones like Tunisia and bad ones like Siria which situation is horrible just because Putin maintained an alliance coming from the Cold War.

Even if these revolutions were handcrafted by the EU and US, they are still revolutions that will change these countries for the better in the short to long term. Perhaps you believe revolutions bring poverty, injustice, dead people like Putin tells you to.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/opinion/why-russians-back-putin-on-ukraine.html?hp&rref=opinion
"Some observers in Russia have argued that the Russian preference for stability over change is a major obstacle to needed political transformation. And history shows that any attempt to halt revolutionary movements elsewhere through intervention threatens to bring the revolution home — exactly what Putin’s supporters fear."

You would better understand what happens in your country first then talk about other countries. Media control and propaganda are growing and an enemy, the Ukraine junta showed itself and it benefits Putin hence his growing rate of approval. Which is funny, a disgusting dictator has a 68% approval rate in his country while in France Hollande's approval is 20%. It just shows how nationalistic your country is and how criticism of russians towards their government and its actions or their society in general is almost non existent.

The majority of people here might be brainwashed like you say thinking the West had nothing to do with these revolutions (imo they helped them and will always try to prevent islamists from taking power in the case of the arab spring) but hey we have to make a choice, believe in a revolution that got the support of the West and that is trying to change a country or condamn it and prefer an oligarchy / dictature. No one really denies the method but that's not what's important in a revolution, they have never and will never be clean but at the end of the day when there are real revolutions coming from the people (like with Ukr, sorry but it's not a fascist coup) in the long term is always bringing good and needed change. People like you who trade their morals for nationalism should remember that.

On March 13 2014 22:03 zeo wrote:

I'm sure the Libyans are happy now after they went from the richest country in Africa, with free electricity, healthcare, cheap fuel ($0.14 per liter), all banks in Libya were state owned and gave credit to all citizens with 0% interest, all newlyweds in Libya received $50,000 to buy their first apartment, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price, if a Libyan was unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

And now they eat sand. Boy, I'm sure they are loving all that democracy under Sharia law right now.

On March 13 2014 21:54 Acertos wrote:
bad ones like Siria which situation is horrible just because Putin ...

... will always try to prevent islamists from taking power

NED was founded in 1983 at the initiative of Cold War hardliners in the Reagan administration, including then-CIA Director William J. Casey. Essentially, NED took over what had been the domain of the CIA, i.e. funneling money to support foreign political movements that would take the U.S. side against the Soviet Union.

Though the Reagan administration’s defenders insist that this “democracy” project didn’t “report” to Casey, documents that have been declassified from the Reagan years show Casey as a principal instigator of this operation, which also sought to harness funding from right-wing billionaires and foundations to augment these activities

During an important election year

On March 13 2014 22:03 zeo wrote:

I'm sure the Libyans are happy now after they went from the richest country in Africa, with free electricity, healthcare, cheap fuel ($0.14 per liter), all banks in Libya were state owned and gave credit to all citizens with 0% interest, all newlyweds in Libya received $50,000 to buy their first apartment, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price, if a Libyan was unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

And now they eat sand. Boy, I'm sure they are loving all that democracy under Sharia law right now.

On March 13 2014 22:09 Gorsameth wrote:

Im sorry but I cant read that with a strait face. Got any sources about how life in Libyan paradise is so good?

On March 13 2014 22:03 zeo wrote:

I'm sure the Libyans are happy now after they went from the richest country in Africa, with free electricity, healthcare, cheap fuel ($0.14 per liter), all banks in Libya were state owned and gave credit to all citizens with 0% interest, all newlyweds in Libya received $50,000 to buy their first apartment, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price, if a Libyan was unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

And now they eat sand. Boy, I'm sure they are loving all that democracy under Sharia law right now.

On March 13 2014 22:32 Acertos wrote:

You are straight up lying and what happens in Lybia is the work of years of dictature with torture, media control, corruption and mass emprisonment of protesters.
And no, life wasn't bright and neither was it the richest country of Africa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya#Economy
Just like Russia today, the economy of Lybia was based on oil and gas exportation with lacks in the industrial sector. A corrupted state at the service of rich oligarchs. The french revolution began in the 1770s, it took almost a century for democracy to become stable (with countless empires, restorations etc...). It's just the first step for Lybia and I'm that when the situation will stabilize nobody will regret these times of dictature like nobody regret the USSR exept for the nomenclatura which Putin is part of.
But the worst part of your way of thinking is that for you a revolution began by one's country own citizens bringing only bad things is another argument in favor of Russia's fascist actions.

On March 13 2014 22:25 zeo wrote:

There is a magical thing on the internet called Google, maybe you should try it out sometime

On March 13 2014 22:19 nunez wrote:

acertos, c'mon bro. if it weren't for putin islamists would be sitting nice and easy on the throne in syria right now. you gots to give him some credit for that at least.

here's an excellent peak into some of the evil, vampiric forces behind the puppet show (long read though):

src

as well as a list of recent endowments for democracy(TM) for your browsing: source
a lot of these groups really trying to emphasize:
i bet we could dress up as a 'politically expedient group' and apply for a grant, use it to fund anoter tl mapcontest. maybe get some uniforms, practice marching, really show off our... expediency... to these guys.

On March 13 2014 22:44 PaleMan wrote:
Acertos, oh
all of a sudden it's Putin fault

omg

"i don't have a clue what happens in Syria, better blame Putin" Acertos 2014

On March 13 2014 22:36 zeo wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

based on 2012 data:
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On March 13 2014 22:40 Acertos wrote:

Syria civil war began in 2011. In 2011 there were only a few islamists and if Putin had not supported Assad, UN would have acted and we wouldn't even talk about the syrian civil war but the syrian revolution.
Now islamists are the majority of the rebels and most aren't even syrians but come from dozens of different countries because they seized this opportunity and are trying to create an islamist state. Now it won't be a revolution but a coup because the ones fighting aren't even syrians anymore.