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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 13:05:29
March 13 2014 13:03 GMT
#5621
On March 13 2014 21:54 Acertos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 20:57 PaleMan wrote:
also i like how ppl so brainwashed that they don't even understand so called arabic spring was handcrafted by US and EU

they don't see trends thus they can't understand what happened in Ukraine

Yes and the arab spring revolutions are horrible things that should have never happened, it's better not trying and staying in a dictature than taking the risk of another dictature; There are example, good ones like Tunisia and bad ones like Siria which situation is horrible just because Putin maintained an alliance coming from the Cold War.

Even if these revolutions were handcrafted by the EU and US, they are still revolutions that will change these countries for the better in the short to long term. Perhaps you believe revolutions bring poverty, injustice, dead people like Putin tells you to.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/opinion/why-russians-back-putin-on-ukraine.html?hp&rref=opinion
"Some observers in Russia have argued that the Russian preference for stability over change is a major obstacle to needed political transformation. And history shows that any attempt to halt revolutionary movements elsewhere through intervention threatens to bring the revolution home — exactly what Putin’s supporters fear."

You would better understand what happens in your country first then talk about other countries. Media control and propaganda are growing and an enemy, the Ukraine junta showed itself and it benefits Putin hence his growing rate of approval. Which is funny, a disgusting dictator has a 68% approval rate in his country while in France Hollande's approval is 20%. It just shows how nationalistic your country is and how criticism of russians towards their government and its actions or their society in general is almost non existent.

The majority of people here might be brainwashed like you say thinking the West had nothing to do with these revolutions (imo they helped them and will always try to prevent islamists from taking power in the case of the arab spring) but hey we have to make a choice, believe in a revolution that got the support of the West and that is trying to change a country or condamn it and prefer an oligarchy / dictature. No one really denies the method but that's not what's important in a revolution, they have never and will never be clean but at the end of the day when there are real revolutions coming from the people (like with Ukr, sorry but it's not a fascist coup) in the long term is always bringing good and needed change. People like you who trade their morals for nationalism should remember that.

I'm sure the Libyans are happy now after they went from the richest country in Africa, with free electricity, healthcare, cheap fuel ($0.14 per liter), all banks in Libya were state owned and gave credit to all citizens with 0% interest, all newlyweds in Libya received $50,000 to buy their first apartment, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price, if a Libyan was unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

And now they eat sand. Boy, I'm sure they are loving all that democracy under Sharia law right now.
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4751 Posts
March 13 2014 13:08 GMT
#5622
The notion that EU has somehow orchastreted Ukrainian revolution is so absurd i have troubles comprahending it. Look at our polticians, what they are saying, at their tweets. They are so fucking clueless it gives me shivers. They are being played, they dont know what to do. This whole situation shows how messy and ineffective EUs foreign policy is.

Theres no evil Eu conspiracy, no clever ilumanatii directing everything from behind. Our politicans are really this weak and stupid.They are not even capable of formulating their own goals much less of orchestrating revolution.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22308 Posts
March 13 2014 13:09 GMT
#5623
On March 13 2014 22:03 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 21:54 Acertos wrote:
On March 13 2014 20:57 PaleMan wrote:
also i like how ppl so brainwashed that they don't even understand so called arabic spring was handcrafted by US and EU

they don't see trends thus they can't understand what happened in Ukraine

Yes and the arab spring revolutions are horrible things that should have never happened, it's better not trying and staying in a dictature than taking the risk of another dictature; There are example, good ones like Tunisia and bad ones like Siria which situation is horrible just because Putin maintained an alliance coming from the Cold War.

Even if these revolutions were handcrafted by the EU and US, they are still revolutions that will change these countries for the better in the short to long term. Perhaps you believe revolutions bring poverty, injustice, dead people like Putin tells you to.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/opinion/why-russians-back-putin-on-ukraine.html?hp&rref=opinion
"Some observers in Russia have argued that the Russian preference for stability over change is a major obstacle to needed political transformation. And history shows that any attempt to halt revolutionary movements elsewhere through intervention threatens to bring the revolution home — exactly what Putin’s supporters fear."

You would better understand what happens in your country first then talk about other countries. Media control and propaganda are growing and an enemy, the Ukraine junta showed itself and it benefits Putin hence his growing rate of approval. Which is funny, a disgusting dictator has a 68% approval rate in his country while in France Hollande's approval is 20%. It just shows how nationalistic your country is and how criticism of russians towards their government and its actions or their society in general is almost non existent.

The majority of people here might be brainwashed like you say thinking the West had nothing to do with these revolutions (imo they helped them and will always try to prevent islamists from taking power in the case of the arab spring) but hey we have to make a choice, believe in a revolution that got the support of the West and that is trying to change a country or condamn it and prefer an oligarchy / dictature. No one really denies the method but that's not what's important in a revolution, they have never and will never be clean but at the end of the day when there are real revolutions coming from the people (like with Ukr, sorry but it's not a fascist coup) in the long term is always bringing good and needed change. People like you who trade their morals for nationalism should remember that.

I'm sure the Libyans are happy now after they went from the richest country in Africa, with free electricity, healthcare, cheap fuel ($0.14 per liter), all banks in Libya were state owned and gave credit to all citizens with 0% interest, all newlyweds in Libya received $50,000 to buy their first apartment, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price, if a Libyan was unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

And now they eat sand. Boy, I'm sure they are loving all that democracy under Sharia law right now.

Im sorry but I cant read that with a strait face. Got any sources about how life in Libyan paradise is so good?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 13 2014 13:12 GMT
#5624
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
March 13 2014 13:17 GMT
#5625
William Hague:

"we can't do shit so we bomb Russia with some strong words"

ok, i'm scared... not
Pure fan
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 13:22:51
March 13 2014 13:19 GMT
#5626
On March 13 2014 21:54 Acertos wrote:
bad ones like Siria which situation is horrible just because Putin ...
... will always try to prevent islamists from taking power

acertos, c'mon bro. if it weren't for putin islamists would be sitting nice and easy on the throne in syria right now. you gots to give him some credit for that at least.

here's an excellent peak into some of the evil, vampiric forces behind the puppet show (long read though):

NED was founded in 1983 at the initiative of Cold War hardliners in the Reagan administration, including then-CIA Director William J. Casey. Essentially, NED took over what had been the domain of the CIA, i.e. funneling money to support foreign political movements that would take the U.S. side against the Soviet Union.

Though the Reagan administration’s defenders insist that this “democracy” project didn’t “report” to Casey, documents that have been declassified from the Reagan years show Casey as a principal instigator of this operation, which also sought to harness funding from right-wing billionaires and foundations to augment these activities
src

as well as a list of recent endowments for democracy(TM) for your browsing: source
a lot of these groups really trying to emphasize:
During an important election year

i bet we could dress up as a 'politically expedient group' and apply for a grant, use it to fund anoter tl mapcontest. maybe get some uniforms, practice marching, really show off our... expediency... to these guys.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
March 13 2014 13:23 GMT
#5627
On March 13 2014 22:03 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 21:54 Acertos wrote:
On March 13 2014 20:57 PaleMan wrote:
also i like how ppl so brainwashed that they don't even understand so called arabic spring was handcrafted by US and EU

they don't see trends thus they can't understand what happened in Ukraine

Yes and the arab spring revolutions are horrible things that should have never happened, it's better not trying and staying in a dictature than taking the risk of another dictature; There are example, good ones like Tunisia and bad ones like Siria which situation is horrible just because Putin maintained an alliance coming from the Cold War.

Even if these revolutions were handcrafted by the EU and US, they are still revolutions that will change these countries for the better in the short to long term. Perhaps you believe revolutions bring poverty, injustice, dead people like Putin tells you to.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/opinion/why-russians-back-putin-on-ukraine.html?hp&rref=opinion
"Some observers in Russia have argued that the Russian preference for stability over change is a major obstacle to needed political transformation. And history shows that any attempt to halt revolutionary movements elsewhere through intervention threatens to bring the revolution home — exactly what Putin’s supporters fear."

You would better understand what happens in your country first then talk about other countries. Media control and propaganda are growing and an enemy, the Ukraine junta showed itself and it benefits Putin hence his growing rate of approval. Which is funny, a disgusting dictator has a 68% approval rate in his country while in France Hollande's approval is 20%. It just shows how nationalistic your country is and how criticism of russians towards their government and its actions or their society in general is almost non existent.

The majority of people here might be brainwashed like you say thinking the West had nothing to do with these revolutions (imo they helped them and will always try to prevent islamists from taking power in the case of the arab spring) but hey we have to make a choice, believe in a revolution that got the support of the West and that is trying to change a country or condamn it and prefer an oligarchy / dictature. No one really denies the method but that's not what's important in a revolution, they have never and will never be clean but at the end of the day when there are real revolutions coming from the people (like with Ukr, sorry but it's not a fascist coup) in the long term is always bringing good and needed change. People like you who trade their morals for nationalism should remember that.

I'm sure the Libyans are happy now after they went from the richest country in Africa, with free electricity, healthcare, cheap fuel ($0.14 per liter), all banks in Libya were state owned and gave credit to all citizens with 0% interest, all newlyweds in Libya received $50,000 to buy their first apartment, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price, if a Libyan was unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

And now they eat sand. Boy, I'm sure they are loving all that democracy under Sharia law right now.


All financed by western oil money, of which Gaddafi took his fair share for him and his extensive family living the jet-set life.

Gaddafi had established great relations with the west over the last years of his reign and the west profited a lot, selling weapons, cars, machines and stuff. Hell Gaddafi even sponsored Sarkozy's elections. I doubt many western leaders were oh so happy about his fall.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
March 13 2014 13:25 GMT
#5628
On March 13 2014 22:09 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 22:03 zeo wrote:
On March 13 2014 21:54 Acertos wrote:
On March 13 2014 20:57 PaleMan wrote:
also i like how ppl so brainwashed that they don't even understand so called arabic spring was handcrafted by US and EU

they don't see trends thus they can't understand what happened in Ukraine

Yes and the arab spring revolutions are horrible things that should have never happened, it's better not trying and staying in a dictature than taking the risk of another dictature; There are example, good ones like Tunisia and bad ones like Siria which situation is horrible just because Putin maintained an alliance coming from the Cold War.

Even if these revolutions were handcrafted by the EU and US, they are still revolutions that will change these countries for the better in the short to long term. Perhaps you believe revolutions bring poverty, injustice, dead people like Putin tells you to.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/opinion/why-russians-back-putin-on-ukraine.html?hp&rref=opinion
"Some observers in Russia have argued that the Russian preference for stability over change is a major obstacle to needed political transformation. And history shows that any attempt to halt revolutionary movements elsewhere through intervention threatens to bring the revolution home — exactly what Putin’s supporters fear."

You would better understand what happens in your country first then talk about other countries. Media control and propaganda are growing and an enemy, the Ukraine junta showed itself and it benefits Putin hence his growing rate of approval. Which is funny, a disgusting dictator has a 68% approval rate in his country while in France Hollande's approval is 20%. It just shows how nationalistic your country is and how criticism of russians towards their government and its actions or their society in general is almost non existent.

The majority of people here might be brainwashed like you say thinking the West had nothing to do with these revolutions (imo they helped them and will always try to prevent islamists from taking power in the case of the arab spring) but hey we have to make a choice, believe in a revolution that got the support of the West and that is trying to change a country or condamn it and prefer an oligarchy / dictature. No one really denies the method but that's not what's important in a revolution, they have never and will never be clean but at the end of the day when there are real revolutions coming from the people (like with Ukr, sorry but it's not a fascist coup) in the long term is always bringing good and needed change. People like you who trade their morals for nationalism should remember that.

I'm sure the Libyans are happy now after they went from the richest country in Africa, with free electricity, healthcare, cheap fuel ($0.14 per liter), all banks in Libya were state owned and gave credit to all citizens with 0% interest, all newlyweds in Libya received $50,000 to buy their first apartment, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price, if a Libyan was unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

And now they eat sand. Boy, I'm sure they are loving all that democracy under Sharia law right now.

Im sorry but I cant read that with a strait face. Got any sources about how life in Libyan paradise is so good?

There is a magical thing on the internet called Google, maybe you should try it out sometime
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
Acertos
Profile Joined February 2012
France852 Posts
March 13 2014 13:32 GMT
#5629
On March 13 2014 22:03 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 21:54 Acertos wrote:
On March 13 2014 20:57 PaleMan wrote:
also i like how ppl so brainwashed that they don't even understand so called arabic spring was handcrafted by US and EU

they don't see trends thus they can't understand what happened in Ukraine

Yes and the arab spring revolutions are horrible things that should have never happened, it's better not trying and staying in a dictature than taking the risk of another dictature; There are example, good ones like Tunisia and bad ones like Siria which situation is horrible just because Putin maintained an alliance coming from the Cold War.

Even if these revolutions were handcrafted by the EU and US, they are still revolutions that will change these countries for the better in the short to long term. Perhaps you believe revolutions bring poverty, injustice, dead people like Putin tells you to.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/opinion/why-russians-back-putin-on-ukraine.html?hp&rref=opinion
"Some observers in Russia have argued that the Russian preference for stability over change is a major obstacle to needed political transformation. And history shows that any attempt to halt revolutionary movements elsewhere through intervention threatens to bring the revolution home — exactly what Putin’s supporters fear."

You would better understand what happens in your country first then talk about other countries. Media control and propaganda are growing and an enemy, the Ukraine junta showed itself and it benefits Putin hence his growing rate of approval. Which is funny, a disgusting dictator has a 68% approval rate in his country while in France Hollande's approval is 20%. It just shows how nationalistic your country is and how criticism of russians towards their government and its actions or their society in general is almost non existent.

The majority of people here might be brainwashed like you say thinking the West had nothing to do with these revolutions (imo they helped them and will always try to prevent islamists from taking power in the case of the arab spring) but hey we have to make a choice, believe in a revolution that got the support of the West and that is trying to change a country or condamn it and prefer an oligarchy / dictature. No one really denies the method but that's not what's important in a revolution, they have never and will never be clean but at the end of the day when there are real revolutions coming from the people (like with Ukr, sorry but it's not a fascist coup) in the long term is always bringing good and needed change. People like you who trade their morals for nationalism should remember that.

I'm sure the Libyans are happy now after they went from the richest country in Africa, with free electricity, healthcare, cheap fuel ($0.14 per liter), all banks in Libya were state owned and gave credit to all citizens with 0% interest, all newlyweds in Libya received $50,000 to buy their first apartment, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price, if a Libyan was unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

And now they eat sand. Boy, I'm sure they are loving all that democracy under Sharia law right now.

You are straight up lying and what happens in Lybia is the work of years of dictature with torture, media control, corruption and mass emprisonment of protesters.
And no, life wasn't bright and neither was it the richest country of Africa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya#Economy
Just like Russia today, the economy of Lybia was based on oil and gas exportation with lacks in the industrial sector. A corrupted state at the service of rich oligarchs. The french revolution began in the 1770s, it took almost a century for democracy to become stable (with countless empires, restorations etc...). It's just the first step for Lybia and I'm that when the situation will stabilize nobody will regret these times of dictature like nobody regret the USSR exept for the nomenclatura which Putin is part of.
But the worst part of your way of thinking is that for you a revolution began by one's country own citizens bringing only bad things is another argument in favor of Russia's fascist actions.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4751 Posts
March 13 2014 13:33 GMT
#5630
They overthrowned Gaddafi cause their lives became too happy to bear. They had to overthrown him, life was too good under his rule.
Pathetic Greta hater.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 13:35:28
March 13 2014 13:34 GMT
#5631
On March 13 2014 22:00 PaleMan wrote:
yeah, the life in Lybia is so much better now
wanna take a tour?

oh and maybe 68% of approval is sign of true democracy?

i've heard this term originates from the Greek δημοκρατία (dēmokratía) "rule of the people"


God, Paleman, stahp.
90% in this thread thinks that we love Putin because we're brainwashed and don't want to drop him.

On March 13 2014 22:33 Silvanel wrote:
They overthrowned Gaddafi cause their lives became too happy to bear. They had to overthrown him, life was too good under his rule.


I wonder, how are they regretting about it now.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 13:42:15
March 13 2014 13:36 GMT
#5632
On March 13 2014 22:32 Acertos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 22:03 zeo wrote:
On March 13 2014 21:54 Acertos wrote:
On March 13 2014 20:57 PaleMan wrote:
also i like how ppl so brainwashed that they don't even understand so called arabic spring was handcrafted by US and EU

they don't see trends thus they can't understand what happened in Ukraine

Yes and the arab spring revolutions are horrible things that should have never happened, it's better not trying and staying in a dictature than taking the risk of another dictature; There are example, good ones like Tunisia and bad ones like Siria which situation is horrible just because Putin maintained an alliance coming from the Cold War.

Even if these revolutions were handcrafted by the EU and US, they are still revolutions that will change these countries for the better in the short to long term. Perhaps you believe revolutions bring poverty, injustice, dead people like Putin tells you to.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/opinion/why-russians-back-putin-on-ukraine.html?hp&rref=opinion
"Some observers in Russia have argued that the Russian preference for stability over change is a major obstacle to needed political transformation. And history shows that any attempt to halt revolutionary movements elsewhere through intervention threatens to bring the revolution home — exactly what Putin’s supporters fear."

You would better understand what happens in your country first then talk about other countries. Media control and propaganda are growing and an enemy, the Ukraine junta showed itself and it benefits Putin hence his growing rate of approval. Which is funny, a disgusting dictator has a 68% approval rate in his country while in France Hollande's approval is 20%. It just shows how nationalistic your country is and how criticism of russians towards their government and its actions or their society in general is almost non existent.

The majority of people here might be brainwashed like you say thinking the West had nothing to do with these revolutions (imo they helped them and will always try to prevent islamists from taking power in the case of the arab spring) but hey we have to make a choice, believe in a revolution that got the support of the West and that is trying to change a country or condamn it and prefer an oligarchy / dictature. No one really denies the method but that's not what's important in a revolution, they have never and will never be clean but at the end of the day when there are real revolutions coming from the people (like with Ukr, sorry but it's not a fascist coup) in the long term is always bringing good and needed change. People like you who trade their morals for nationalism should remember that.

I'm sure the Libyans are happy now after they went from the richest country in Africa, with free electricity, healthcare, cheap fuel ($0.14 per liter), all banks in Libya were state owned and gave credit to all citizens with 0% interest, all newlyweds in Libya received $50,000 to buy their first apartment, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price, if a Libyan was unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

And now they eat sand. Boy, I'm sure they are loving all that democracy under Sharia law right now.

You are straight up lying and what happens in Lybia is the work of years of dictature with torture, media control, corruption and mass emprisonment of protesters.
And no, life wasn't bright and neither was it the richest country of Africa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya#Economy
Just like Russia today, the economy of Lybia was based on oil and gas exportation with lacks in the industrial sector. A corrupted state at the service of rich oligarchs. The french revolution began in the 1770s, it took almost a century for democracy to become stable (with countless empires, restorations etc...). It's just the first step for Lybia and I'm that when the situation will stabilize nobody will regret these times of dictature like nobody regret the USSR exept for the nomenclatura which Putin is part of.
But the worst part of your way of thinking is that for you a revolution began by one's country own citizens bringing only bad things is another argument in favor of Russia's fascist actions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

based on 2012 data:
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"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
March 13 2014 13:36 GMT
#5633
oo_Wonderful_oo ok_face.jpg
Pure fan
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
March 13 2014 13:40 GMT
#5634
On March 13 2014 22:25 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 22:09 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 13 2014 22:03 zeo wrote:
On March 13 2014 21:54 Acertos wrote:
On March 13 2014 20:57 PaleMan wrote:
also i like how ppl so brainwashed that they don't even understand so called arabic spring was handcrafted by US and EU

they don't see trends thus they can't understand what happened in Ukraine

Yes and the arab spring revolutions are horrible things that should have never happened, it's better not trying and staying in a dictature than taking the risk of another dictature; There are example, good ones like Tunisia and bad ones like Siria which situation is horrible just because Putin maintained an alliance coming from the Cold War.

Even if these revolutions were handcrafted by the EU and US, they are still revolutions that will change these countries for the better in the short to long term. Perhaps you believe revolutions bring poverty, injustice, dead people like Putin tells you to.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/opinion/why-russians-back-putin-on-ukraine.html?hp&rref=opinion
"Some observers in Russia have argued that the Russian preference for stability over change is a major obstacle to needed political transformation. And history shows that any attempt to halt revolutionary movements elsewhere through intervention threatens to bring the revolution home — exactly what Putin’s supporters fear."

You would better understand what happens in your country first then talk about other countries. Media control and propaganda are growing and an enemy, the Ukraine junta showed itself and it benefits Putin hence his growing rate of approval. Which is funny, a disgusting dictator has a 68% approval rate in his country while in France Hollande's approval is 20%. It just shows how nationalistic your country is and how criticism of russians towards their government and its actions or their society in general is almost non existent.

The majority of people here might be brainwashed like you say thinking the West had nothing to do with these revolutions (imo they helped them and will always try to prevent islamists from taking power in the case of the arab spring) but hey we have to make a choice, believe in a revolution that got the support of the West and that is trying to change a country or condamn it and prefer an oligarchy / dictature. No one really denies the method but that's not what's important in a revolution, they have never and will never be clean but at the end of the day when there are real revolutions coming from the people (like with Ukr, sorry but it's not a fascist coup) in the long term is always bringing good and needed change. People like you who trade their morals for nationalism should remember that.

I'm sure the Libyans are happy now after they went from the richest country in Africa, with free electricity, healthcare, cheap fuel ($0.14 per liter), all banks in Libya were state owned and gave credit to all citizens with 0% interest, all newlyweds in Libya received $50,000 to buy their first apartment, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price, if a Libyan was unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

And now they eat sand. Boy, I'm sure they are loving all that democracy under Sharia law right now.

Im sorry but I cant read that with a strait face. Got any sources about how life in Libyan paradise is so good?

There is a magical thing on the internet called Google, maybe you should try it out sometime

You realize that the burden of proof lies on the shoulders of the one who made the statement right?
Otherwise people could just claim what they want and then go "You look up the source if you wanna know so much!" and if it's really so easy to google it why not just do it?
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Acertos
Profile Joined February 2012
France852 Posts
March 13 2014 13:40 GMT
#5635
On March 13 2014 22:19 nunez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 21:54 Acertos wrote:
bad ones like Siria which situation is horrible just because Putin ...
Show nested quote +
... will always try to prevent islamists from taking power

acertos, c'mon bro. if it weren't for putin islamists would be sitting nice and easy on the throne in syria right now. you gots to give him some credit for that at least.

here's an excellent peak into some of the evil, vampiric forces behind the puppet show (long read though):

Show nested quote +
NED was founded in 1983 at the initiative of Cold War hardliners in the Reagan administration, including then-CIA Director William J. Casey. Essentially, NED took over what had been the domain of the CIA, i.e. funneling money to support foreign political movements that would take the U.S. side against the Soviet Union.

Though the Reagan administration’s defenders insist that this “democracy” project didn’t “report” to Casey, documents that have been declassified from the Reagan years show Casey as a principal instigator of this operation, which also sought to harness funding from right-wing billionaires and foundations to augment these activities
src

as well as a list of recent endowments for democracy(TM) for your browsing: source
a lot of these groups really trying to emphasize:
Show nested quote +
During an important election year

i bet we could dress up as a 'politically expedient group' and apply for a grant, use it to fund anoter tl mapcontest. maybe get some uniforms, practice marching, really show off our... expediency... to these guys.

Syria civil war began in 2011. In 2011 there were only a few islamists and if Putin had not supported Assad, UN would have acted and we wouldn't even talk about the syrian civil war but the syrian revolution.
Now islamists are the majority of the rebels and most aren't even syrians but come from dozens of different countries because they seized this opportunity and are trying to create an islamist state. Now it won't be a revolution but a coup because the ones fighting aren't even syrians anymore.
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 13:45:20
March 13 2014 13:44 GMT
#5636
Acertos, oh
all of a sudden it's Putin fault

omg

"i don't have a clue what happens in Syria, better blame Putin" Acertos 2014
Pure fan
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 13 2014 13:46 GMT
#5637
On March 13 2014 22:44 PaleMan wrote:
Acertos, oh
all of a sudden it's Putin fault

omg

"i don't have a clue what happens in Syria, better blame Putin" Acertos 2014


You of all people should be extremely careful with sarcastic quotes, friend.
On track to MA1950A.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22308 Posts
March 13 2014 13:48 GMT
#5638
On March 13 2014 22:36 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 22:32 Acertos wrote:
On March 13 2014 22:03 zeo wrote:
On March 13 2014 21:54 Acertos wrote:
On March 13 2014 20:57 PaleMan wrote:
also i like how ppl so brainwashed that they don't even understand so called arabic spring was handcrafted by US and EU

they don't see trends thus they can't understand what happened in Ukraine

Yes and the arab spring revolutions are horrible things that should have never happened, it's better not trying and staying in a dictature than taking the risk of another dictature; There are example, good ones like Tunisia and bad ones like Siria which situation is horrible just because Putin maintained an alliance coming from the Cold War.

Even if these revolutions were handcrafted by the EU and US, they are still revolutions that will change these countries for the better in the short to long term. Perhaps you believe revolutions bring poverty, injustice, dead people like Putin tells you to.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/opinion/why-russians-back-putin-on-ukraine.html?hp&rref=opinion
"Some observers in Russia have argued that the Russian preference for stability over change is a major obstacle to needed political transformation. And history shows that any attempt to halt revolutionary movements elsewhere through intervention threatens to bring the revolution home — exactly what Putin’s supporters fear."

You would better understand what happens in your country first then talk about other countries. Media control and propaganda are growing and an enemy, the Ukraine junta showed itself and it benefits Putin hence his growing rate of approval. Which is funny, a disgusting dictator has a 68% approval rate in his country while in France Hollande's approval is 20%. It just shows how nationalistic your country is and how criticism of russians towards their government and its actions or their society in general is almost non existent.

The majority of people here might be brainwashed like you say thinking the West had nothing to do with these revolutions (imo they helped them and will always try to prevent islamists from taking power in the case of the arab spring) but hey we have to make a choice, believe in a revolution that got the support of the West and that is trying to change a country or condamn it and prefer an oligarchy / dictature. No one really denies the method but that's not what's important in a revolution, they have never and will never be clean but at the end of the day when there are real revolutions coming from the people (like with Ukr, sorry but it's not a fascist coup) in the long term is always bringing good and needed change. People like you who trade their morals for nationalism should remember that.

I'm sure the Libyans are happy now after they went from the richest country in Africa, with free electricity, healthcare, cheap fuel ($0.14 per liter), all banks in Libya were state owned and gave credit to all citizens with 0% interest, all newlyweds in Libya received $50,000 to buy their first apartment, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price, if a Libyan was unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

And now they eat sand. Boy, I'm sure they are loving all that democracy under Sharia law right now.

You are straight up lying and what happens in Lybia is the work of years of dictature with torture, media control, corruption and mass emprisonment of protesters.
And no, life wasn't bright and neither was it the richest country of Africa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya#Economy
Just like Russia today, the economy of Lybia was based on oil and gas exportation with lacks in the industrial sector. A corrupted state at the service of rich oligarchs. The french revolution began in the 1770s, it took almost a century for democracy to become stable (with countless empires, restorations etc...). It's just the first step for Lybia and I'm that when the situation will stabilize nobody will regret these times of dictature like nobody regret the USSR exept for the nomenclatura which Putin is part of.
But the worst part of your way of thinking is that for you a revolution began by one's country own citizens bringing only bad things is another argument in favor of Russia's fascist actions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

based on 2012 data:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Funny considering that link tells none of the awesome facts you listen.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
March 13 2014 13:48 GMT
#5639
On March 13 2014 22:40 Acertos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 22:19 nunez wrote:
On March 13 2014 21:54 Acertos wrote:
bad ones like Siria which situation is horrible just because Putin ...
... will always try to prevent islamists from taking power

acertos, c'mon bro. if it weren't for putin islamists would be sitting nice and easy on the throne in syria right now. you gots to give him some credit for that at least.

here's an excellent peak into some of the evil, vampiric forces behind the puppet show (long read though):

NED was founded in 1983 at the initiative of Cold War hardliners in the Reagan administration, including then-CIA Director William J. Casey. Essentially, NED took over what had been the domain of the CIA, i.e. funneling money to support foreign political movements that would take the U.S. side against the Soviet Union.

Though the Reagan administration’s defenders insist that this “democracy” project didn’t “report” to Casey, documents that have been declassified from the Reagan years show Casey as a principal instigator of this operation, which also sought to harness funding from right-wing billionaires and foundations to augment these activities
src

as well as a list of recent endowments for democracy(TM) for your browsing: source
a lot of these groups really trying to emphasize:
During an important election year

i bet we could dress up as a 'politically expedient group' and apply for a grant, use it to fund anoter tl mapcontest. maybe get some uniforms, practice marching, really show off our... expediency... to these guys.

Syria civil war began in 2011. In 2011 there were only a few islamists and if Putin had not supported Assad, UN would have acted and we wouldn't even talk about the syrian civil war but the syrian revolution.
Now islamists are the majority of the rebels and most aren't even syrians but come from dozens of different countries because they seized this opportunity and are trying to create an islamist state. Now it won't be a revolution but a coup because the ones fighting aren't even syrians anymore.

so sayeth the soothsayer.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 13:53:54
March 13 2014 13:53 GMT
#5640
On March 13 2014 22:48 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 22:36 zeo wrote:
On March 13 2014 22:32 Acertos wrote:
On March 13 2014 22:03 zeo wrote:
On March 13 2014 21:54 Acertos wrote:
On March 13 2014 20:57 PaleMan wrote:
also i like how ppl so brainwashed that they don't even understand so called arabic spring was handcrafted by US and EU

they don't see trends thus they can't understand what happened in Ukraine

Yes and the arab spring revolutions are horrible things that should have never happened, it's better not trying and staying in a dictature than taking the risk of another dictature; There are example, good ones like Tunisia and bad ones like Siria which situation is horrible just because Putin maintained an alliance coming from the Cold War.

Even if these revolutions were handcrafted by the EU and US, they are still revolutions that will change these countries for the better in the short to long term. Perhaps you believe revolutions bring poverty, injustice, dead people like Putin tells you to.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/opinion/why-russians-back-putin-on-ukraine.html?hp&rref=opinion
"Some observers in Russia have argued that the Russian preference for stability over change is a major obstacle to needed political transformation. And history shows that any attempt to halt revolutionary movements elsewhere through intervention threatens to bring the revolution home — exactly what Putin’s supporters fear."

You would better understand what happens in your country first then talk about other countries. Media control and propaganda are growing and an enemy, the Ukraine junta showed itself and it benefits Putin hence his growing rate of approval. Which is funny, a disgusting dictator has a 68% approval rate in his country while in France Hollande's approval is 20%. It just shows how nationalistic your country is and how criticism of russians towards their government and its actions or their society in general is almost non existent.

The majority of people here might be brainwashed like you say thinking the West had nothing to do with these revolutions (imo they helped them and will always try to prevent islamists from taking power in the case of the arab spring) but hey we have to make a choice, believe in a revolution that got the support of the West and that is trying to change a country or condamn it and prefer an oligarchy / dictature. No one really denies the method but that's not what's important in a revolution, they have never and will never be clean but at the end of the day when there are real revolutions coming from the people (like with Ukr, sorry but it's not a fascist coup) in the long term is always bringing good and needed change. People like you who trade their morals for nationalism should remember that.

I'm sure the Libyans are happy now after they went from the richest country in Africa, with free electricity, healthcare, cheap fuel ($0.14 per liter), all banks in Libya were state owned and gave credit to all citizens with 0% interest, all newlyweds in Libya received $50,000 to buy their first apartment, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price, if a Libyan was unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

And now they eat sand. Boy, I'm sure they are loving all that democracy under Sharia law right now.

You are straight up lying and what happens in Lybia is the work of years of dictature with torture, media control, corruption and mass emprisonment of protesters.
And no, life wasn't bright and neither was it the richest country of Africa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya#Economy
Just like Russia today, the economy of Lybia was based on oil and gas exportation with lacks in the industrial sector. A corrupted state at the service of rich oligarchs. The french revolution began in the 1770s, it took almost a century for democracy to become stable (with countless empires, restorations etc...). It's just the first step for Lybia and I'm that when the situation will stabilize nobody will regret these times of dictature like nobody regret the USSR exept for the nomenclatura which Putin is part of.
But the worst part of your way of thinking is that for you a revolution began by one's country own citizens bringing only bad things is another argument in favor of Russia's fascist actions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

based on 2012 data:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Funny considering that link tells none of the awesome facts you listen.


To be completely fair, zeo is right about those awesome facts.
http://timetolive.ru/p/10_2011/pri_kaddafi/ I'm lazy to find this stuff in English but it's well-known facts.

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