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fleeze
Germany895 Posts
On March 13 2014 19:58 Ghanburighan wrote: You are still getting blamed really hard. There is no evidence for it. there is also no evidence the other way around. the NATO ist pretty much familiar with false flag operations as history has shown us multiple times. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On March 13 2014 20:47 fleeze wrote: there is also no evidence the other way around. the NATO ist pretty much familiar with false flag operations as history has shown us multiple times. There's also no evidence that you are not a moron, that doesn't mean I'd be justified in making that claim. Burden of proof lies on the person MAKING the claim. | ||
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kukarachaa
United States284 Posts
On March 13 2014 20:50 Ghanburighan wrote: There's also no evidence that you are not a moron, that doesn't mean I'd be justified in making that claim. Burden of proof lies on the person MAKING the claim. good one | ||
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fleeze
Germany895 Posts
On March 13 2014 20:50 Ghanburighan wrote: There's also no evidence that you are not a moron, that doesn't mean I'd be justified in making that claim. Burden of proof lies on the person MAKING the claim. hey mr. i insult others because they have a different opionion... how about some fucking arguments? and try using your brain. it was obvious that it would be suicide for yanukowitsch to shoot the demonstrants. do you really believe he would THIS stupid? the burden of proof lies on the WEST claiming that it was the police shooting with NO EVIDENCE. | ||
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
last time i wrote something like this "german" turned out to be swiss  | ||
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fleeze
Germany895 Posts
On March 13 2014 20:55 PaleMan wrote: its good to see some germans who have some common sense in them last time i wrote something like this "german" turned out to be swiss there are thinking people in every country  it doesn't help if you only rely on media information during a propaganda war from both sides. using your own brain and trying to understand the other side helps in forming your own opinion. | ||
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
they don't see trends thus they can't understand what happened in Ukraine | ||
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Saihv
Finland54 Posts
US though has its fingers in many pies. I personally think both US and Russia should stop their imperialistic foreign policy, US's economic and Putin's new glorious soviet superpower Russia. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
If you enjoy conspiracies, here's a translation of a piece in which one of the Ukrainian admirals outlines the full scale war effort Russia is planning. | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On March 13 2014 20:57 PaleMan wrote: also i like how ppl so brainwashed that they don't even understand so called arabic spring was handcrafted by US and EU they don't see trends thus they can't understand what happened in Ukraine I don't think this belongs in this thread, the way you talk to others and your opinions already create enough friction, atleast stay on topic here. | ||
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fleeze
Germany895 Posts
On March 13 2014 21:22 Ghanburighan wrote: God, this thread is suddenly a conspiracy theory extravaganza. If you enjoy conspiracies, here's a translation of a piece in which one of the Ukrainian admirals outlines the full scale war effort Russia is planning. nice to see that everyone who doesn't agree with YOU is a falling for conspiracy theories. while you are trying to manipulate others opinions all thread long. hypocrite. | ||
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kukarachaa
United States284 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On March 13 2014 21:31 kukarachaa wrote: Meh, him and Zeo are entitled to their opinions, plenty of people in this thread seem to have their agendas, nothing wrong with that as far as I am concerned. However personal attacks, basically calling someone a moron have no place here. Notice that I explicitly did not call him that. According to his flawed reasoning, claims in the absence of counter-evidence are true, which is ridiculous. So he took my non-insult and thought it's an insult. And I will not take responsibility for something I explicitly did not say. On the other hand, perhaps you should also notice personal attacks such as calling people hypocrites, brainwashed, not-using-brain, etc etc... | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10026 Posts
This is a BBC documentary about the current Ukraine crisis. It is so biased it qualifies as propaganda IMO. The language used throughout is totally anti Russian and designed to affect viewers' opinions. The BBC, for those who don't know, is supposed to be unbiased in these matters (or at least balanced). At one point it describes Ukrainians who want Putin in charge as wanting to be 'ruled' and 'dominated' by Russia, whereas those who support the current Ukrainian government are portrayed as freedom fighters. This may be the truth, but dry facts work better for BBC programmes. In fact its so biased it has had the opposite effect on me, and has made me question my own opinions and how much they have been affected by the media. Media coverage of this in the UK has been exceptionally biased from day one. Kerry's speech has played over and over with no mention of America's invasion of Iraq. It does make me wonder, but i'm not informed enough about the situation to make my mind up i guess. My natural reaction is that the people of Ukraine are free to choose their own government democratically, and although Russia is causing this process problems, it is also a part of this process. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6344 Posts
On March 13 2014 21:37 Jockmcplop wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03z8cw8/Panorama_The_Revolution_that_Shook_the_World/ This is a BBC documentary about the current Ukraine crisis. It is so biased it qualifies as propaganda IMO. The language used throughout is totally anti Russian and designed to affect viewers' opinions. The BBC, for those who don't know, is supposed to be unbiased in these matters (or at least balanced). At one point it describes Ukrainians who want Putin in charge as wanting to be 'ruled' and 'dominated' by Russia, whereas those who support the current Ukrainian government are portrayed as freedom fighters. This may be the truth, but dry facts work better for BBC programmes. In fact its so biased it has had the opposite effect on me, and has made me question my own opinions and how much they have been affected by the media. Media coverage of this in the UK has been exceptionally biased from day one. Kerry's speech has played over and over with no mention of America's invasion of Iraq. It does make me wonder, but i'm not informed enough about the situation to make my mind up i guess. My natural reaction is that the people of Ukraine are free to choose their own government democratically, and although Russia is causing this process problems, it is also a part of this process. BBC World is financed by the British foreign ministry so its basically the same as RT. Horrific journalism all-around, whats even worse are the so called 'journalists' on twitter. Social media is just a black hole of sad when it comes to such polarizing events. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On March 13 2014 21:22 Ghanburighan wrote: God, this thread is suddenly a conspiracy theory extravaganza. If you enjoy conspiracies, here's a translation of a piece in which one of the Ukrainian admirals outlines the full scale war effort Russia is planning. Ofc don't you believe everything on the internet that's in a nice presentation. | ||
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Acertos
France852 Posts
On March 13 2014 20:57 PaleMan wrote: also i like how ppl so brainwashed that they don't even understand so called arabic spring was handcrafted by US and EU they don't see trends thus they can't understand what happened in Ukraine Yes and the arab spring revolutions are horrible things that should have never happened, it's better not trying and staying in a dictature than taking the risk of another dictature; There are example, good ones like Tunisia and bad ones like Siria which situation is horrible just because Putin maintained an alliance coming from the Cold War. Even if these revolutions were handcrafted by the EU and US, they are still revolutions that will change these countries for the better in the short to long term. Perhaps you believe revolutions bring poverty, injustice, dead people like Putin tells you to. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/opinion/why-russians-back-putin-on-ukraine.html?hp&rref=opinion "Some observers in Russia have argued that the Russian preference for stability over change is a major obstacle to needed political transformation. And history shows that any attempt to halt revolutionary movements elsewhere through intervention threatens to bring the revolution home — exactly what Putin’s supporters fear." You would better understand what happens in your country first then talk about other countries. Media control and propaganda are growing and an enemy, the Ukraine junta showed itself and it benefits Putin hence his growing rate of approval. Which is funny, a disgusting dictator has a 68% approval rate in his country while in France Hollande's approval is 20%. It just shows how nationalistic your country is and how criticism of russians towards their government and its actions or their society in general is almost non existent. The majority of people here might be brainwashed like you say thinking the West had nothing to do with these revolutions (imo they helped them and will always try to prevent islamists from taking power in the case of the arab spring) but hey we have to make a choice, believe in a revolution that got the support of the West and that is trying to change a country or condamn it and prefer an oligarchy / dictature. No one really denies the method but that's not what's important in a revolution, they have never and will never be clean but at the end of the day when there are real revolutions coming from the people (like with Ukr, sorry but it's not a fascist coup) in the long term is always bringing good and needed change. People like you who trade their morals for nationalism should remember that. | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On March 13 2014 21:45 zeo wrote: BBC World is financed by the British foreign ministry so its basically the same as RT. Horrific journalism all-around, whats even worse are the so called 'journalists' on twitter. Social media is just a black hole of sad when it comes to such polarizing events. I dare say that the BBC is a lot less biased in most things than Russia Today, a few pages back an article was linked about RT and they can't even critisize Putin. | ||
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
wanna take a tour? oh and maybe 68% of approval is sign of true democracy? i've heard this term originates from the Greek δημοκρατία (dēmokratía) "rule of the people" | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On March 13 2014 21:58 SilentchiLL wrote: I dare say that the BBC is a lot less biased in most things than Russia Today, a few pages back an article was linked about RT and they can't even critisize Putin. BBC is just somewhat poor, overly emotional in fact. It's not biased due to decree. If you're interested in British media, read the FT, telegraph, independent, guardian, or a number of smaller publications. Each of the above has a slight bias, but not on a West-East axis. | ||
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