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On March 14 2014 00:38 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:19 PaleMan wrote:On March 14 2014 00:15 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 00:12 PaleMan wrote:On March 14 2014 00:09 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 00:04 PaleMan wrote:
what those troops are doing in Germany?
Germany can't defend itself from someone?
maybe you have "multiple possible results to an election" because there is no difference at all who wins?
he/she will do the same under US dictatorship
we have Putin vs some fascist guys, american lovers, european lovers etc.
of course Putin wins vs them, lol
And you apparently don't know what the word dictatorship means, you also have no idea about Germany and if you look up the definition of fascism you'll see that it fits Putin quite well. could you make more detailed explanation how Putin fits on the definition of fascism i really like to read it fas·cism (făsh′ĭz′əm)
n.
1. often Fascism
a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control. Sounds familiar? a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. doesn't fits at all we have over 150 nationalities in Russia and minorities even have some advantages vs majorities also we have too much of oppositions - i read/hear a lot of "Putin is a dick" every day, even on TV i doubt you have this kind of wording about Merkel Well Merkel has no dick...
I've actually heard a comedian make a shockingly convincing case for the opposite already.
Then again there are pictures of her naked so I guess she really doesn't.
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Russian Federation1953 Posts
On March 14 2014 00:37 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:33 PaleMan wrote:On March 14 2014 00:32 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 00:29 PaleMan wrote:
at least its not occupied by american army Lol, the guys were right, when you can't react to critique about your country you really fall back to mentioning america. Does this count as trolling by now? vice versa you can't explain what american troops are doing in Germany so you better tell me how fascist Putin is Wat You ASKED me to tell you how Putin resembles a fascist dictator and I already did give you 2 reasons for why they are here. If you're really trolling then you're doing a poor job, m8.
nope, first your statement was "Putin is fascist"
i saked you to explain
you gave me "2 reasons" - zero of them fit Putin
and you call me troll
tell me, do you really consider Putin fascist?
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 14 2014 00:05 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 23:40 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 13 2014 23:30 Acertos wrote:On March 13 2014 23:07 PaleMan wrote:
Acertos, or maybe US started another arabic spring by the book of Gene Sharp What if they started it? If the americans started the syrian revolution (which is not the case btw, it came after the tunisian revolution which was the first one) then Russia has to do everything in its power to prevent it from succeeding? Syria's regime was corrupted, favorised an elite and worse different etnicities. Now if the US had interest in starting a revolution which goal is to have a liberal friendly (West friendly) and democratic (the goal of the protesters) regime. There are no moral nor logical reasons for Russia preventing it, it just acted in fascist and Cold War like fashion without any regards for human beings and even if the US had interests, their action would have helped the population of Syria. You can hate the US all you want and you seem to have a problem with things US related but you shouldn't become the advocate of wars just because of it. You need to stop using word "fascist" when you have no idea about its meaning. Everything in politics has logical reasons, learn it. You just can have no idea about their logic, that's all. Don't talk to me like I'm dumb, I choose my words. I can give you the definition again, facism is an extremely authoritarian political attitude that involves populism and ultranationalism. It was first theorized by Mussolini. Putin uses propaganda, media control and has been in power for more than 15 yrs. He uses the national sentiment well and imposes his views unilateraly to other nations with force. He has everything that defines a fascist dictator which include refusing the global order, in his case it's the West. Not everything in Politics is well thought, you don't have to put politicians on piedestals. Well I should have worded it better with the reasons for blocking the intervention in Syria were not moral nor intelligent. Imo Russia blocking UN intervention in Syria was stupid, the only thing Putin gained is some kind of fear / respect from other countries and the feeling that the world can't do anything without Russia. It just tends to worsen the relations between Russia and other nations, and Russia won't have an ally in Assad because the regime will eventually fall, Russia will only gain the hatred of the islamists that may come in power later. Even if Putin now know it was a stupid decision which he must do, he has to go along with it to maintain Russia's position and facade (which is normal in politics).
Russia is gaining hatred of the islamists no matter what, there is nothing new :D This story is too long.
Every country leader uses propaganda sometimes, for example when elections happen. You want to say something against it?
And same stuff happen with media control. For example, Real Madrid has Marca and Barcelona has AS. You will never read something good about Real in AS and same stuff happens about Barca in Marca. That's not new either.
Now next. You won't be punished for being in opposition, writing anti-Putin articles or something like that.
There are objective reasons why TVRain, which was created by president Medvedev was pushed from being free in every internet-network in country and now you can purchase subscription easily and watch it. There was almost no politics, it was pure economical reason.
And finally. Russia is multicultural country. Nationalism here is punished. It was punished. It is and it will be. Yes, sometimes we butthurt about amount of illegal immigrants. But no more. End of the story.
Some countries have kings who are ruling the country for ages. Are they faschists as well because they have power? I highly doubt as well. Of course i speak about kings who have power and not someone like UK Queen.
And finally. Refusing the global order? Wut? You really think that Russia is so fucking weak and useless that will follow everything what USA/Europe will say?
PaleMan, btw, chill. You really going ham so hard that people think that all Russians are retards. Go play dota a bit, dude.
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On March 14 2014 00:40 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:37 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 00:33 PaleMan wrote:On March 14 2014 00:32 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 00:29 PaleMan wrote:
at least its not occupied by american army Lol, the guys were right, when you can't react to critique about your country you really fall back to mentioning america. Does this count as trolling by now? vice versa you can't explain what american troops are doing in Germany so you better tell me how fascist Putin is Wat You ASKED me to tell you how Putin resembles a fascist dictator and I already did give you 2 reasons for why they are here. If you're really trolling then you're doing a poor job, m8. nope, first your statement was "Putin is fascist" i saked you to explain you gave me "2 reasons" - zero of them fit Putin and you call me troll tell me, do you really consider Putin fascist?
WAT?
I did explain it to you, but the 2 reasons were about the american troops here, I gave you a lot more reasons for why Putin is a thinly veiled fascist dictator and they fit him perfectly.
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On March 14 2014 00:41 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
PaleMan, btw, chill. You really going ham so hard that people think that all Russians are retards. Go play dota a bit, dude.
This part is so beautiful in so many ways that I nearly started crying.
I'm not kidding.
This made my day.
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Russian Federation1953 Posts
On March 14 2014 00:42 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:40 PaleMan wrote:On March 14 2014 00:37 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 00:33 PaleMan wrote:On March 14 2014 00:32 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 00:29 PaleMan wrote:
at least its not occupied by american army Lol, the guys were right, when you can't react to critique about your country you really fall back to mentioning america. Does this count as trolling by now? vice versa you can't explain what american troops are doing in Germany so you better tell me how fascist Putin is Wat You ASKED me to tell you how Putin resembles a fascist dictator and I already did give you 2 reasons for why they are here. If you're really trolling then you're doing a poor job, m8. nope, first your statement was "Putin is fascist" i saked you to explain you gave me "2 reasons" - zero of them fit Putin and you call me troll tell me, do you really consider Putin fascist? WAT? I did explain it to you, but the 2 reasons were about the american troops here, I gave you a lot more reasons for why Putin is a thinly veiled fascist dictator and they fit him perfectly.
only in your imaginary world
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Did this moron really say we have 100k troops in Germany?
User was warned for this post
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On March 14 2014 00:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Did this moron really say we have 100k troops in Germany?
He is adding som flavor to this thread, thats for sure.
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On March 14 2014 00:41 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:05 Acertos wrote:On March 13 2014 23:40 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 13 2014 23:30 Acertos wrote:On March 13 2014 23:07 PaleMan wrote:
Acertos, or maybe US started another arabic spring by the book of Gene Sharp What if they started it? If the americans started the syrian revolution (which is not the case btw, it came after the tunisian revolution which was the first one) then Russia has to do everything in its power to prevent it from succeeding? Syria's regime was corrupted, favorised an elite and worse different etnicities. Now if the US had interest in starting a revolution which goal is to have a liberal friendly (West friendly) and democratic (the goal of the protesters) regime. There are no moral nor logical reasons for Russia preventing it, it just acted in fascist and Cold War like fashion without any regards for human beings and even if the US had interests, their action would have helped the population of Syria. You can hate the US all you want and you seem to have a problem with things US related but you shouldn't become the advocate of wars just because of it. You need to stop using word "fascist" when you have no idea about its meaning. Everything in politics has logical reasons, learn it. You just can have no idea about their logic, that's all. Don't talk to me like I'm dumb, I choose my words. I can give you the definition again, facism is an extremely authoritarian political attitude that involves populism and ultranationalism. It was first theorized by Mussolini. Putin uses propaganda, media control and has been in power for more than 15 yrs. He uses the national sentiment well and imposes his views unilateraly to other nations with force. He has everything that defines a fascist dictator which include refusing the global order, in his case it's the West. Not everything in Politics is well thought, you don't have to put politicians on piedestals. Well I should have worded it better with the reasons for blocking the intervention in Syria were not moral nor intelligent. Imo Russia blocking UN intervention in Syria was stupid, the only thing Putin gained is some kind of fear / respect from other countries and the feeling that the world can't do anything without Russia. It just tends to worsen the relations between Russia and other nations, and Russia won't have an ally in Assad because the regime will eventually fall, Russia will only gain the hatred of the islamists that may come in power later. Even if Putin now know it was a stupid decision which he must do, he has to go along with it to maintain Russia's position and facade (which is normal in politics). Russia is gaining hatred of the islamists no matter what, there is nothing new :D This story is too long. Every country leader uses propaganda sometimes, for example when elections happen. You want to say something against it? And same stuff happen with media control. For example, Real Madrid has Marca and Barcelona has AS. You will never read something good about Real in AS and same stuff happens about Barca in Marca. That's not new either. Now next. You won't be punished for being in opposition, writing anti-Putin articles or something like that. There are objective reasons why TVRain, which was created by president Medvedev was pushed from being free in every internet-network in country and now you can purchase subscription easily and watch it. There was almost no politics, it was pure economical reason. And finally. Russia is multicultural country. Nationalism here is punished. It was punished. It is and it will be. Yes, sometimes we butthurt about amount of illegal immigrants. But no more. End of the story. Some countries have kings who are ruling the country for ages. Are they faschists as well because they have power? I highly doubt as well. Of course i speak about kings who have power and not someone like UK Queen. And finally. Refusing the global order? Wut? You really think that Russia is so fucking weak and useless that will follow everything what USA/Europe will say? PaleMan, btw, chill. You really going ham so hard that people think that all Russians are retards. Go play dota a bit, dude.
nooo please.. let him stay here...
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On March 14 2014 00:33 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:32 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 00:29 PaleMan wrote:
at least its not occupied by american army Lol, the guys were right, when you can't react to critique about your country you really fall back to mentioning america. Does this count as trolling by now? vice versa you can't explain what american troops are doing in Germany so you better tell me how fascist Putin is
See, there once was a time when two superpowers divided germany. One of them is bad, the other one is WAY worse. One country leeched the crap out of their part of germany, the other one tried to rebuild it. Not out of kindness of their heart, obviously, but that doesn't matter.
What you don't realise, or actually, i think, what you can't comprehend, is that we still pay for the damage russia did. America has bases in germany because they're allowed to, we kinda owe them alot.
Only an absolute retarded nutjob of an idiot would call it "occupation", especially after they got revoked their "special rights" etc.
Stop talking about things you have absolutely zero clue of. And it shows, that that would be alot of things.
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Russian Federation1953 Posts
On March 14 2014 00:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Did this moron really say we have 100k troops in Germany?
how about ban, zatic?
you were very fast banning me
User was warned for this post
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On March 14 2014 00:53 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Did this moron really say we have 100k troops in Germany? how about ban, zatic? you were very fast banning me That ussually happens when you report the post instead of quoting it and asking mods to read your in-thread report quote.
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On March 14 2014 00:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Did this moron really say we have 100k troops in Germany?
it is actually 50k (source). so he isn't that far of and it was way over 100k before 1990.
i'd say the problem aren't even the troups but the fucking US nuclear weapons of which we don't know where they are and how much of them. also secret CIA prisons, NSA classifying germany as target, etc.
i'm baffled there are germans that think we aren't close to being occupied (though it's not violent). especially after snowden showed evidence that we ARE still occupied.
and all of this doesn't make him a "moron". i think it's disgusting that the people here are so fucking close minded (both sides) that they have to attack every different opinion personally.
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On March 14 2014 00:53 m4ini wrote:
What you don't realise, or actually, i think, what you can't comprehend, is that we still pay for the damage russia did. America has bases in germany because they're allowed to, we kinda owe them alot.
I actually think we gain a lot more from the bases than the US does, from an economic and military point of view, compared to their other expenses it's really just a drop in the ocean for the States though.
On March 14 2014 00:56 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Did this moron really say we have 100k troops in Germany? it is actually 50k ( source). so he isn't that far of
That's literally half of what he claimed, how is that not far off?
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On March 14 2014 00:56 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:53 m4ini wrote:
What you don't realise, or actually, i think, what you can't comprehend, is that we still pay for the damage russia did. America has bases in germany because they're allowed to, we kinda owe them alot.
I actually think we gain a lot more from the bases than the US does, from an economic and military point of view, compared to their other expenses it's really just a drop in the ocean for the States though. Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:56 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 00:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Did this moron really say we have 100k troops in Germany? it is actually 50k ( source). so he isn't that far of That's literally half of what he claimed, how is that not far off?
I just wrote that his employer just should pay 50% off his money, since it's not that far off anyway, but didn't deem it worth it.
Somebody who tells me "we're still occupied" is kinda not someone who i would argue with, it's like arguing with antifas or rightwing-nutjobs, completely pointless.
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On March 14 2014 00:56 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Did this moron really say we have 100k troops in Germany? it is actually 50k ( source). so he isn't that far of and it was way over 100k before 1990. I don't know about you, but normally a 100% relative error would seem quite a lot to me.
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On March 14 2014 01:01 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:56 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 00:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Did this moron really say we have 100k troops in Germany? it is actually 50k ( source). so he isn't that far of and it was way over 100k before 1990. I don't know about you, but normally a 100% relative error would seem quite a lot to me.
Nah, it's not that far off. Also, 25 years ago, he almost would've been right!
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What would interest me though, is if fleeze is an Ossi.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces#Personnel
Overseas
See also: United States military presence in other countries
As of 31 December 2010, U.S. armed forces were stationed in 150 of the world's 192 countries; the number of non-contingent deployments per country ranges from 1 in Suriname to over 50,000 in Germany.[39] Some of the largest deployments are: 103,700 in Afghanistan, 52,440 in Germany (see list), 35,688 in Japan (USFJ), 28,500 in South Korea (USFK), 9,660 in Italy, and 9,015 in the United Kingdom. These numbers change frequently due to the regular recall and deployment of units.
Altogether, 77,917 military personnel are located in Europe, 141 in the former Soviet Union, 47,236 in East Asia and the Pacific, 3,362 in North Africa, the Near East, and South Asia, 1,355 in sub-Saharan Africa and 1,941 in the Western Hemisphere excluding the U.S. itself.
US also has nuclear weapons (about 200) stationed in different EU countries:Belgium, Germany, Holland, Italy, Turkey
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On March 14 2014 01:02 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 01:01 Godwrath wrote:On March 14 2014 00:56 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 00:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Did this moron really say we have 100k troops in Germany? it is actually 50k ( source). so he isn't that far of and it was way over 100k before 1990. I don't know about you, but normally a 100% relative error would seem quite a lot to me. Nah, it's not that far off. Also, 25 years ago, he almost would've been right!
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Now I feel old
What would interest me though, is if fleeze is an Ossi.
That would actually be an interestering question.
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On March 14 2014 01:02 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 01:01 Godwrath wrote:On March 14 2014 00:56 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 00:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Did this moron really say we have 100k troops in Germany? it is actually 50k ( source). so he isn't that far of and it was way over 100k before 1990. I don't know about you, but normally a 100% relative error would seem quite a lot to me. Nah, it's not that far off. Also, 25 years ago, he almost would've been right!
wtf is wrong with you?
50k is stil A LOT. how does it matter to his argument that he exaggerated?
break his argument down to: "there are a lot of US troups in germany" and you see he is not THAT wrong.
also:
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What would interest me though, is if fleeze is an Ossi.
what is wrong with you people? how dumb and stereotypical can you be? is attacking others personally a thing in here?
i'm from BW btw.... so quite the opposite...
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On March 14 2014 01:07 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 01:02 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:01 Godwrath wrote:On March 14 2014 00:56 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 00:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Did this moron really say we have 100k troops in Germany? it is actually 50k ( source). so he isn't that far of and it was way over 100k before 1990. I don't know about you, but normally a 100% relative error would seem quite a lot to me. Nah, it's not that far off. Also, 25 years ago, he almost would've been right! wtf is wrong with you? 50k is stil A LOT. how does it matter to his argument that he exaggerated? break his argument down to: "there are a lot of US troups in germany" and you see he is not THAT wrong. also: what is wrong with you people? how dumb and stereotypical can you be? is attacking others personally a thing in here? i'm from BW btw.... so quite the opposite...
Germany is a country in the center of europe, why would they NOT have a lot of troops here if they want to operate in in the middle east, europe and north africa?
And why do you take Ossi as an insult?
I mean, if I'd be one I'd feel insulted by you now.
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