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On March 14 2014 01:29 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 01:27 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:26 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:25 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:22 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:12 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:07 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:02 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:01 Godwrath wrote:On March 14 2014 00:56 fleeze wrote:[quote] it is actually 50k ( source). so he isn't that far of and it was way over 100k before 1990. I don't know about you, but normally a 100% relative error would seem quite a lot to me. Nah, it's not that far off. Also, 25 years ago, he almost would've been right! wtf is wrong with you? 50k is stil A LOT. how does it matter to his argument that he exaggerated? break his argument down to: "there are a lot of US troups in germany" and you see he is not THAT wrong. also:
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What would interest me though, is if fleeze is an Ossi.
what is wrong with you people? how dumb and stereotypical can you be? is attacking others personally a thing in here? i'm from BW btw.... so quite the opposite... So there's something wrong with me because i want to make sure that someone who literally spouts the bs that you can hear in every eastern german Kneipe is from there, to form an opinion? How about british soldiers in germany, are they occupation-force as well? Since they almost have the same amount of soldiers in germany (by your "standards")? 50k is alot, then again, this here was literally the mexican standoff in the cold war, what exactly do you expect? Since the mauerfall they reduced the amount of soldiers gradually by 50% to this point. Weird for an occupied country, isn't it? It's also weird that the US minister Rumsfeld calls us "the old europe" because he was so fricking frustrated with germanys stance towards wars, that he lost it. It's weird, isn't it? the wall broke 25 years ago.... and yet there are still A LOT of troups and nuclear weapons. Could you please tell us why you actually hate that so much? You keep on saying we're occupied, but I'd like to hear something a bit more substantial or maybe why you hate being "occupied" so much. i hate that another country can violate our constitution heavily without consequences. see NSA and spying. also: our constitution is worth NOTHING if it can be circumvented that easily. The NSA could have spied on us without their troops here, so what else? its called dictatorship when you live under Big Brothers hand wanna tell me smthing about democracy again?
Yeah, democracy in germany doesn't work, we didn't get to vote if a foreign country may spy on us, totally a dictatorship.
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On March 14 2014 01:26 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 01:25 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:22 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:12 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:07 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:02 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:01 Godwrath wrote:On March 14 2014 00:56 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 00:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Did this moron really say we have 100k troops in Germany? it is actually 50k ( source). so he isn't that far of and it was way over 100k before 1990. I don't know about you, but normally a 100% relative error would seem quite a lot to me. Nah, it's not that far off. Also, 25 years ago, he almost would've been right! wtf is wrong with you? 50k is stil A LOT. how does it matter to his argument that he exaggerated? break his argument down to: "there are a lot of US troups in germany" and you see he is not THAT wrong. also:
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What would interest me though, is if fleeze is an Ossi.
what is wrong with you people? how dumb and stereotypical can you be? is attacking others personally a thing in here? i'm from BW btw.... so quite the opposite... So there's something wrong with me because i want to make sure that someone who literally spouts the bs that you can hear in every eastern german Kneipe is from there, to form an opinion? How about british soldiers in germany, are they occupation-force as well? Since they almost have the same amount of soldiers in germany (by your "standards")? 50k is alot, then again, this here was literally the mexican standoff in the cold war, what exactly do you expect? Since the mauerfall they reduced the amount of soldiers gradually by 50% to this point. Weird for an occupied country, isn't it? It's also weird that the US minister Rumsfeld calls us "the old europe" because he was so fricking frustrated with germanys stance towards wars, that he lost it. It's weird, isn't it? the wall broke 25 years ago.... and yet there are still A LOT of troups and nuclear weapons. Could you please tell us why you actually hate that so much? You keep on saying we're occupied, but I'd like to hear something a bit more substantial or maybe why you hate being "occupied" so much. i hate that another country can violate our constitution heavily without consequences. see NSA and spying. also: our constitution is worth NOTHING if it can be circumvented that easily.
With out consequences is questionable. NSA have had to answer alot of questions and also gotten new guidelines etc. If this will make any difference is debatable but it has brougt shame to Obama and USA. And there were alot of countries that got spyed on but there isnt that much these countires can do (with out harming their own economy) other than make USA feel bad and gain some momentum in the publics opinion
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On March 14 2014 01:29 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 01:26 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:25 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:22 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:12 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:07 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:02 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:01 Godwrath wrote:On March 14 2014 00:56 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 00:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Did this moron really say we have 100k troops in Germany? it is actually 50k ( source). so he isn't that far of and it was way over 100k before 1990. I don't know about you, but normally a 100% relative error would seem quite a lot to me. Nah, it's not that far off. Also, 25 years ago, he almost would've been right! wtf is wrong with you? 50k is stil A LOT. how does it matter to his argument that he exaggerated? break his argument down to: "there are a lot of US troups in germany" and you see he is not THAT wrong. also:
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What would interest me though, is if fleeze is an Ossi.
what is wrong with you people? how dumb and stereotypical can you be? is attacking others personally a thing in here? i'm from BW btw.... so quite the opposite... So there's something wrong with me because i want to make sure that someone who literally spouts the bs that you can hear in every eastern german Kneipe is from there, to form an opinion? How about british soldiers in germany, are they occupation-force as well? Since they almost have the same amount of soldiers in germany (by your "standards")? 50k is alot, then again, this here was literally the mexican standoff in the cold war, what exactly do you expect? Since the mauerfall they reduced the amount of soldiers gradually by 50% to this point. Weird for an occupied country, isn't it? It's also weird that the US minister Rumsfeld calls us "the old europe" because he was so fricking frustrated with germanys stance towards wars, that he lost it. It's weird, isn't it? the wall broke 25 years ago.... and yet there are still A LOT of troups and nuclear weapons. Could you please tell us why you actually hate that so much? You keep on saying we're occupied, but I'd like to hear something a bit more substantial or maybe why you hate being "occupied" so much. i hate that another country can violate our constitution heavily without consequences. see NSA and spying. also: our constitution is worth NOTHING if it can be circumvented that easily. Ah, i see. So the whole "discussion" the last couple of pages isn't because of russia, but because you suffer of "anti-americanism". Believe me, you're not alone there in germany, not even in this thread. But it's not the point of the thread. Just because "america is bad and nobody likes it", you can't justify russias actions.
what? your interpretations are just fucking insulting even if you don't use insults like you normally do.
i didn't justify ANYTHING, but i can understand different interests and look at things from other perspectives. something YOU can for sure NOT do. maybe try to read my posts.
On March 14 2014 01:32 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 01:26 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:25 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:22 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:12 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:07 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:02 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:01 Godwrath wrote:On March 14 2014 00:56 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 00:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Did this moron really say we have 100k troops in Germany? it is actually 50k ( source). so he isn't that far of and it was way over 100k before 1990. I don't know about you, but normally a 100% relative error would seem quite a lot to me. Nah, it's not that far off. Also, 25 years ago, he almost would've been right! wtf is wrong with you? 50k is stil A LOT. how does it matter to his argument that he exaggerated? break his argument down to: "there are a lot of US troups in germany" and you see he is not THAT wrong. also:
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What would interest me though, is if fleeze is an Ossi.
what is wrong with you people? how dumb and stereotypical can you be? is attacking others personally a thing in here? i'm from BW btw.... so quite the opposite... So there's something wrong with me because i want to make sure that someone who literally spouts the bs that you can hear in every eastern german Kneipe is from there, to form an opinion? How about british soldiers in germany, are they occupation-force as well? Since they almost have the same amount of soldiers in germany (by your "standards")? 50k is alot, then again, this here was literally the mexican standoff in the cold war, what exactly do you expect? Since the mauerfall they reduced the amount of soldiers gradually by 50% to this point. Weird for an occupied country, isn't it? It's also weird that the US minister Rumsfeld calls us "the old europe" because he was so fricking frustrated with germanys stance towards wars, that he lost it. It's weird, isn't it? the wall broke 25 years ago.... and yet there are still A LOT of troups and nuclear weapons. Could you please tell us why you actually hate that so much? You keep on saying we're occupied, but I'd like to hear something a bit more substantial or maybe why you hate being "occupied" so much. i hate that another country can violate our constitution heavily without consequences. see NSA and spying. also: our constitution is worth NOTHING if it can be circumvented that easily. With out consequences is questionable. NSA have had to answer alot of questions and also gotten new guidelines etc. If this will make any difference is debatable but it has brougt shame to Obama and USA. And there were alot of countries that got spyed on but there isnt that much these countires can do (with out harming their own economy) other than make USA feel bad and gain some momentum in the publics opinion
the thing is: everything is confidential about NSA. so we will never know what changed. we don't even know what the status quo was for sure. we rely on leaks and nothing can ever get verified.
also our courts won't touch the NSA although they heavily broke the constitution.
let me tell you: if it were RUSSIANS or CHINESE spying on all of germany as proven with the US there would be consequences.
The NSA could have spied on us without their troops here, so what else?
did you read the article i linked before? don't think so, it's pretty long.
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On March 14 2014 01:32 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 01:29 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:26 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:25 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:22 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:12 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:07 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:02 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:01 Godwrath wrote:On March 14 2014 00:56 fleeze wrote:[quote] it is actually 50k ( source). so he isn't that far of and it was way over 100k before 1990. I don't know about you, but normally a 100% relative error would seem quite a lot to me. Nah, it's not that far off. Also, 25 years ago, he almost would've been right! wtf is wrong with you? 50k is stil A LOT. how does it matter to his argument that he exaggerated? break his argument down to: "there are a lot of US troups in germany" and you see he is not THAT wrong. also:
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What would interest me though, is if fleeze is an Ossi.
what is wrong with you people? how dumb and stereotypical can you be? is attacking others personally a thing in here? i'm from BW btw.... so quite the opposite... So there's something wrong with me because i want to make sure that someone who literally spouts the bs that you can hear in every eastern german Kneipe is from there, to form an opinion? How about british soldiers in germany, are they occupation-force as well? Since they almost have the same amount of soldiers in germany (by your "standards")? 50k is alot, then again, this here was literally the mexican standoff in the cold war, what exactly do you expect? Since the mauerfall they reduced the amount of soldiers gradually by 50% to this point. Weird for an occupied country, isn't it? It's also weird that the US minister Rumsfeld calls us "the old europe" because he was so fricking frustrated with germanys stance towards wars, that he lost it. It's weird, isn't it? the wall broke 25 years ago.... and yet there are still A LOT of troups and nuclear weapons. Could you please tell us why you actually hate that so much? You keep on saying we're occupied, but I'd like to hear something a bit more substantial or maybe why you hate being "occupied" so much. i hate that another country can violate our constitution heavily without consequences. see NSA and spying. also: our constitution is worth NOTHING if it can be circumvented that easily. Ah, i see. So the whole "discussion" the last couple of pages isn't because of russia, but because you suffer of "anti-americanism". Believe me, you're not alone there in germany, not even in this thread. But it's not the point of the thread. Just because "america is bad and nobody likes it", you can't justify russias actions. what? your interpretations are just fucking insulting even if you don't use insults like you normally do. i didn't justify ANYTHING, but i can understand different interests and look at things from other perspectives. something YOU can for sure NOT do. maybe try to read my posts.
What about americas interests then, which you defy so much?
Should be all good n dandy, why do you get your knickers twisted about that then?
ohhhh, smartass. well played with your creative insults. you are so smart you have to make insults to proof your point and try to put people with different opinions into your stereotypical boxes (ossi=pro russian in this case). grow up.
Didn't even see that. Not even worth answering.
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On March 14 2014 01:29 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 01:27 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:26 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:25 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:22 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:12 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:07 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:02 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:01 Godwrath wrote:On March 14 2014 00:56 fleeze wrote:[quote] it is actually 50k ( source). so he isn't that far of and it was way over 100k before 1990. I don't know about you, but normally a 100% relative error would seem quite a lot to me. Nah, it's not that far off. Also, 25 years ago, he almost would've been right! wtf is wrong with you? 50k is stil A LOT. how does it matter to his argument that he exaggerated? break his argument down to: "there are a lot of US troups in germany" and you see he is not THAT wrong. also:
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What would interest me though, is if fleeze is an Ossi.
what is wrong with you people? how dumb and stereotypical can you be? is attacking others personally a thing in here? i'm from BW btw.... so quite the opposite... So there's something wrong with me because i want to make sure that someone who literally spouts the bs that you can hear in every eastern german Kneipe is from there, to form an opinion? How about british soldiers in germany, are they occupation-force as well? Since they almost have the same amount of soldiers in germany (by your "standards")? 50k is alot, then again, this here was literally the mexican standoff in the cold war, what exactly do you expect? Since the mauerfall they reduced the amount of soldiers gradually by 50% to this point. Weird for an occupied country, isn't it? It's also weird that the US minister Rumsfeld calls us "the old europe" because he was so fricking frustrated with germanys stance towards wars, that he lost it. It's weird, isn't it? the wall broke 25 years ago.... and yet there are still A LOT of troups and nuclear weapons. Could you please tell us why you actually hate that so much? You keep on saying we're occupied, but I'd like to hear something a bit more substantial or maybe why you hate being "occupied" so much. i hate that another country can violate our constitution heavily without consequences. see NSA and spying. also: our constitution is worth NOTHING if it can be circumvented that easily. The NSA could have spied on us without their troops here, so what else? its called dictatorship when you live under Big Brothers hand wanna tell me smthing about democracy again?
No it's not, even in a democracy you could theoretically have zero privacy.
And in russia you have it worse, we're also not ruled from america, no matter how often you repeat that.
On March 14 2014 01:32 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 01:29 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:26 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:25 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:22 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:12 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:07 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:02 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:01 Godwrath wrote:On March 14 2014 00:56 fleeze wrote:[quote] it is actually 50k ( source). so he isn't that far of and it was way over 100k before 1990. I don't know about you, but normally a 100% relative error would seem quite a lot to me. Nah, it's not that far off. Also, 25 years ago, he almost would've been right! wtf is wrong with you? 50k is stil A LOT. how does it matter to his argument that he exaggerated? break his argument down to: "there are a lot of US troups in germany" and you see he is not THAT wrong. also:
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What would interest me though, is if fleeze is an Ossi.
what is wrong with you people? how dumb and stereotypical can you be? is attacking others personally a thing in here? i'm from BW btw.... so quite the opposite... So there's something wrong with me because i want to make sure that someone who literally spouts the bs that you can hear in every eastern german Kneipe is from there, to form an opinion? How about british soldiers in germany, are they occupation-force as well? Since they almost have the same amount of soldiers in germany (by your "standards")? 50k is alot, then again, this here was literally the mexican standoff in the cold war, what exactly do you expect? Since the mauerfall they reduced the amount of soldiers gradually by 50% to this point. Weird for an occupied country, isn't it? It's also weird that the US minister Rumsfeld calls us "the old europe" because he was so fricking frustrated with germanys stance towards wars, that he lost it. It's weird, isn't it? the wall broke 25 years ago.... and yet there are still A LOT of troups and nuclear weapons. Could you please tell us why you actually hate that so much? You keep on saying we're occupied, but I'd like to hear something a bit more substantial or maybe why you hate being "occupied" so much. i hate that another country can violate our constitution heavily without consequences. see NSA and spying. also: our constitution is worth NOTHING if it can be circumvented that easily. Ah, i see. So the whole "discussion" the last couple of pages isn't because of russia, but because you suffer of "anti-americanism". Believe me, you're not alone there in germany, not even in this thread. But it's not the point of the thread. Just because "america is bad and nobody likes it", you can't justify russias actions. what? your interpretations are just fucking insulting even if you don't use insults like you normally do. i didn't justify ANYTHING, but i can understand different interests and look at things from other perspectives. something YOU can for sure NOT do. maybe try to read my posts.
On March 14 2014 01:27 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 01:26 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:25 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:22 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:12 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:07 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:02 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:01 Godwrath wrote:On March 14 2014 00:56 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 00:49 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Did this moron really say we have 100k troops in Germany? it is actually 50k ( source). so he isn't that far of and it was way over 100k before 1990. I don't know about you, but normally a 100% relative error would seem quite a lot to me. Nah, it's not that far off. Also, 25 years ago, he almost would've been right! wtf is wrong with you? 50k is stil A LOT. how does it matter to his argument that he exaggerated? break his argument down to: "there are a lot of US troups in germany" and you see he is not THAT wrong. also:
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What would interest me though, is if fleeze is an Ossi.
what is wrong with you people? how dumb and stereotypical can you be? is attacking others personally a thing in here? i'm from BW btw.... so quite the opposite... So there's something wrong with me because i want to make sure that someone who literally spouts the bs that you can hear in every eastern german Kneipe is from there, to form an opinion? How about british soldiers in germany, are they occupation-force as well? Since they almost have the same amount of soldiers in germany (by your "standards")? 50k is alot, then again, this here was literally the mexican standoff in the cold war, what exactly do you expect? Since the mauerfall they reduced the amount of soldiers gradually by 50% to this point. Weird for an occupied country, isn't it? It's also weird that the US minister Rumsfeld calls us "the old europe" because he was so fricking frustrated with germanys stance towards wars, that he lost it. It's weird, isn't it? the wall broke 25 years ago.... and yet there are still A LOT of troups and nuclear weapons. Could you please tell us why you actually hate that so much? You keep on saying we're occupied, but I'd like to hear something a bit more substantial or maybe why you hate being "occupied" so much. i hate that another country can violate our constitution heavily without consequences. see NSA and spying. also: our constitution is worth NOTHING if it can be circumvented that easily. The NSA could have spied on us without their troops here, so what else?
Still waiting for your reply fleeze
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How Russia can find humanitarian reasons to invade Ukraine but no humanitarian reasons to invade Syria is beyond me. 140 000 ppl, among the dead are 7000 children, have been killed so far in Syria. In crimea crisis how many? Its sickening
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It's pretty simple, because they're lying about their reasons.
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Russian Federation1953 Posts
On March 14 2014 01:31 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 01:29 PaleMan wrote:On March 14 2014 01:27 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:26 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:25 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:22 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:12 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:07 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:02 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:01 Godwrath wrote:
[quote]I don't know about you, but normally a 100% relative error would seem quite a lot to me.
Nah, it's not that far off. Also, 25 years ago, he almost would've been right! wtf is wrong with you? 50k is stil A LOT. how does it matter to his argument that he exaggerated? break his argument down to: "there are a lot of US troups in germany" and you see he is not THAT wrong. also:
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What would interest me though, is if fleeze is an Ossi.
what is wrong with you people? how dumb and stereotypical can you be? is attacking others personally a thing in here? i'm from BW btw.... so quite the opposite... So there's something wrong with me because i want to make sure that someone who literally spouts the bs that you can hear in every eastern german Kneipe is from there, to form an opinion? How about british soldiers in germany, are they occupation-force as well? Since they almost have the same amount of soldiers in germany (by your "standards")? 50k is alot, then again, this here was literally the mexican standoff in the cold war, what exactly do you expect? Since the mauerfall they reduced the amount of soldiers gradually by 50% to this point. Weird for an occupied country, isn't it? It's also weird that the US minister Rumsfeld calls us "the old europe" because he was so fricking frustrated with germanys stance towards wars, that he lost it. It's weird, isn't it? the wall broke 25 years ago.... and yet there are still A LOT of troups and nuclear weapons. Could you please tell us why you actually hate that so much? You keep on saying we're occupied, but I'd like to hear something a bit more substantial or maybe why you hate being "occupied" so much. i hate that another country can violate our constitution heavily without consequences. see NSA and spying. also: our constitution is worth NOTHING if it can be circumvented that easily. The NSA could have spied on us without their troops here, so what else? its called dictatorship when you live under Big Brothers hand wanna tell me smthing about democracy again? Yeah, democracy in germany doesn't work, we didn't get to vote if a foreign country may spy on us, totally a dictatorship.
i've also heard most of german gold is stored in USA
and some time ago Germany asked "what about my gold, USA"
could you remind me what happened?
let me sum it up:
- you have foreign armed troops in you territory
- all your country negotiations are known to 3rd party (which has 50k armed troops on you territory)
- your country gold is stored in anoter country (which has 50k armed troops on you territory and knows everything you think)
- your country does everything another country asks
this is democracy you say - i say you are hostage
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On March 14 2014 01:40 Fjodorov wrote:
How Russia can find humanitarian reasons to invade Ukraine but no humanitarian reasons to invade Syria is beyond me. 140 000 ppl, among the dead are 7000 children, have been killed so far in Syria. In crimea crisis how many? Its sickening
I think it's safe to say that "humanitarian reasons" are not in the foreground here, at this point. ^^
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On March 14 2014 01:42 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 01:31 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:29 PaleMan wrote:On March 14 2014 01:27 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:26 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:25 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:22 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:12 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:07 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:02 m4ini wrote:
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Nah, it's not that far off. Also, 25 years ago, he almost would've been right! wtf is wrong with you? 50k is stil A LOT. how does it matter to his argument that he exaggerated? break his argument down to: "there are a lot of US troups in germany" and you see he is not THAT wrong. also:
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What would interest me though, is if fleeze is an Ossi.
what is wrong with you people? how dumb and stereotypical can you be? is attacking others personally a thing in here? i'm from BW btw.... so quite the opposite... So there's something wrong with me because i want to make sure that someone who literally spouts the bs that you can hear in every eastern german Kneipe is from there, to form an opinion? How about british soldiers in germany, are they occupation-force as well? Since they almost have the same amount of soldiers in germany (by your "standards")? 50k is alot, then again, this here was literally the mexican standoff in the cold war, what exactly do you expect? Since the mauerfall they reduced the amount of soldiers gradually by 50% to this point. Weird for an occupied country, isn't it? It's also weird that the US minister Rumsfeld calls us "the old europe" because he was so fricking frustrated with germanys stance towards wars, that he lost it. It's weird, isn't it? the wall broke 25 years ago.... and yet there are still A LOT of troups and nuclear weapons. Could you please tell us why you actually hate that so much? You keep on saying we're occupied, but I'd like to hear something a bit more substantial or maybe why you hate being "occupied" so much. i hate that another country can violate our constitution heavily without consequences. see NSA and spying. also: our constitution is worth NOTHING if it can be circumvented that easily. The NSA could have spied on us without their troops here, so what else? its called dictatorship when you live under Big Brothers hand wanna tell me smthing about democracy again? Yeah, democracy in germany doesn't work, we didn't get to vote if a foreign country may spy on us, totally a dictatorship. i've also heard most of german gold is stored in USA and some time ago Germany asked "what about my gold, USA" could you remind me what happened? let me sum it up: - you have foreign armed troops in you territory - all your country negotiations are known to 3rd party (which has 50k armed troops on you territory) - your country gold is stored in anoter country (which has 50k armed troops on you territory and knows everything you think) - your country does everything another country asks this is democracy you say - i say you are hostage
Sorry but you are not making any sense anymore, Idk where you got your quote about germany's gold.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 14 2014 01:28 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 00:41 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 14 2014 00:05 Acertos wrote:On March 13 2014 23:40 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 13 2014 23:30 Acertos wrote:On March 13 2014 23:07 PaleMan wrote:
Acertos, or maybe US started another arabic spring by the book of Gene Sharp What if they started it? If the americans started the syrian revolution (which is not the case btw, it came after the tunisian revolution which was the first one) then Russia has to do everything in its power to prevent it from succeeding? Syria's regime was corrupted, favorised an elite and worse different etnicities. Now if the US had interest in starting a revolution which goal is to have a liberal friendly (West friendly) and democratic (the goal of the protesters) regime. There are no moral nor logical reasons for Russia preventing it, it just acted in fascist and Cold War like fashion without any regards for human beings and even if the US had interests, their action would have helped the population of Syria. You can hate the US all you want and you seem to have a problem with things US related but you shouldn't become the advocate of wars just because of it. You need to stop using word "fascist" when you have no idea about its meaning. Everything in politics has logical reasons, learn it. You just can have no idea about their logic, that's all. Don't talk to me like I'm dumb, I choose my words. I can give you the definition again, facism is an extremely authoritarian political attitude that involves populism and ultranationalism. It was first theorized by Mussolini. Putin uses propaganda, media control and has been in power for more than 15 yrs. He uses the national sentiment well and imposes his views unilateraly to other nations with force. He has everything that defines a fascist dictator which include refusing the global order, in his case it's the West. Not everything in Politics is well thought, you don't have to put politicians on piedestals. Well I should have worded it better with the reasons for blocking the intervention in Syria were not moral nor intelligent. Imo Russia blocking UN intervention in Syria was stupid, the only thing Putin gained is some kind of fear / respect from other countries and the feeling that the world can't do anything without Russia. It just tends to worsen the relations between Russia and other nations, and Russia won't have an ally in Assad because the regime will eventually fall, Russia will only gain the hatred of the islamists that may come in power later. Even if Putin now know it was a stupid decision which he must do, he has to go along with it to maintain Russia's position and facade (which is normal in politics). Russia is gaining hatred of the islamists no matter what, there is nothing new :D This story is too long. Every country leader uses propaganda sometimes, for example when elections happen. You want to say something against it? And same stuff happen with media control. For example, Real Madrid has Marca and Barcelona has AS. You will never read something good about Real in AS and same stuff happens about Barca in Marca. That's not new either. Now next. You won't be punished for being in opposition, writing anti-Putin articles or something like that. There are objective reasons why TVRain, which was created by president Medvedev was pushed from being free in every internet-network in country and now you can purchase subscription easily and watch it. There was almost no politics, it was pure economical reason. And finally. Russia is multicultural country. Nationalism here is punished. It was punished. It is and it will be. Yes, sometimes we butthurt about amount of illegal immigrants. But no more. End of the story. Some countries have kings who are ruling the country for ages. Are they faschists as well because they have power? I highly doubt as well. Of course i speak about kings who have power and not someone like UK Queen. And finally. Refusing the global order? Wut? You really think that Russia is so fucking weak and useless that will follow everything what USA/Europe will say? PaleMan, btw, chill. You really going ham so hard that people think that all Russians are retards. Go play dota a bit, dude. Hey I was simply responding and seing how you are changing subjects I suppose you don't deny that Putin has everything of the fascist dictator. And yes it would have changed something because if Putin had supported the syrian revolution at the beginning maybe the most extreme kind of islamists wouldn't have great chances of becoming the ones to rule after the crisis will end. It also showed that Russia refused to maintain the global order and peace again (it sounds strange but kicking out a dictator goes in that sense), and it's not about listening to what other countries say but more about not shitting on every other country and citizens on this planet. "Oh there is a revolution in Syria supported by the international community, let's fuck them!" "There is a revolution in Ukraine supported by the international community, let's fuck them!" It's just throwing into the dirt the hopes of different nations just to show its independance and self-autority. In a sense that's totally childish and retarded and in the recent yrs Russia has by a large margin been the worst at doing that. Now just like with the majority of your arguments ("but they are doing it too!"), there are different degrees to corruption and propaganda. And when I see that in the majority of non russian news site there are dozens and dozens of illeterate people spiting the same dumb arguments about fascists coup in Kiev, I'm convinced that either a huge number of people are desperatly trying to defend Russia that they just subscribe to these sites or either that some people are paid to do that or both. In any case it shows that there is an enormous nationalist sentiment towards Russia the country (and not towards each etnicity and even then I'm sure we are mostly hearing about slavs russian) and a huge campain of propaganda regarding this event and on a country scale. It isn't like an electoral campain because in this event there are no dissident nor contradicting voices in Russia. This event is totally moraly condamnable but I have yet to hear about a russian saying that this invasion is wrong. And no it was not like that in the US with Irak or Afghanistan, there were many people and medias condamning these invasions.
There is no place for faschism in our country. I highly dislike nationalism as well but they at least have some ideas which i can support but faschism is highly punished here even by rightwings which are very little. I hope, you know difference between nationalism and Nazi though.
You can think everything what you want though.
We have some pride behind us, you're right. But i guess, it's ok? Not faschistic?
Yes, corruption is hard here, it's sad. But we're not in utopian world it's happening everywhere. And i guess, you need to stop overrating international community, THEY CAN BE WRONG AS WELL, NOT ONLY RUSSIA AND CHINA CAN BE SCAPEGOATS.
Do you remember how Russians snatched airport in Prishtina from NATO? You prefer us doing same in Crimea? I agree, that it could be way better for our troops who are there and not are part of Black Sea Fleet to not hide and just cheer.
About invasion. Big amount of Crimeans don't care about being Ukranians or Russians, it's basically same. I have tons of friends from there, i was there last week and they're living same as they were. They will live same in both cases. Not everyone supports invasion here, but until there are no victims or other stuff - i basically don't care, i will be honest here.
About Ukranian faschism. I like this article for example. http://pivopotam.livejournal.com/124061.html
But i don't pretend that it's good, i love Ukraine with all heart and Kiev is my favourite city and it was kind to me in the past.
Ah, i forgot main thing. I'm not scared for my life in this country if i say something opposite to governance. I guess, that's end of the story?
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On March 14 2014 01:42 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 01:31 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:29 PaleMan wrote:On March 14 2014 01:27 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:26 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:25 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:22 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:12 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:07 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:02 m4ini wrote:
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Nah, it's not that far off. Also, 25 years ago, he almost would've been right! wtf is wrong with you? 50k is stil A LOT. how does it matter to his argument that he exaggerated? break his argument down to: "there are a lot of US troups in germany" and you see he is not THAT wrong. also:
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What would interest me though, is if fleeze is an Ossi.
what is wrong with you people? how dumb and stereotypical can you be? is attacking others personally a thing in here? i'm from BW btw.... so quite the opposite... So there's something wrong with me because i want to make sure that someone who literally spouts the bs that you can hear in every eastern german Kneipe is from there, to form an opinion? How about british soldiers in germany, are they occupation-force as well? Since they almost have the same amount of soldiers in germany (by your "standards")? 50k is alot, then again, this here was literally the mexican standoff in the cold war, what exactly do you expect? Since the mauerfall they reduced the amount of soldiers gradually by 50% to this point. Weird for an occupied country, isn't it? It's also weird that the US minister Rumsfeld calls us "the old europe" because he was so fricking frustrated with germanys stance towards wars, that he lost it. It's weird, isn't it? the wall broke 25 years ago.... and yet there are still A LOT of troups and nuclear weapons. Could you please tell us why you actually hate that so much? You keep on saying we're occupied, but I'd like to hear something a bit more substantial or maybe why you hate being "occupied" so much. i hate that another country can violate our constitution heavily without consequences. see NSA and spying. also: our constitution is worth NOTHING if it can be circumvented that easily. The NSA could have spied on us without their troops here, so what else? its called dictatorship when you live under Big Brothers hand wanna tell me smthing about democracy again? Yeah, democracy in germany doesn't work, we didn't get to vote if a foreign country may spy on us, totally a dictatorship. i've also heard most of german gold is stored in USA and some time ago Germany asked "what about my gold, USA" could you remind me what happened? let me sum it up: - you have foreign armed troops in you territory - all your country negotiations are known to 3rd party (which has 50k armed troops on you territory) - your country gold is stored in anoter country (which has 50k armed troops on you territory and knows everything you think) - your country does everything another country asks this is democracy you say - i say you are hostage
mpst of our gold is in the hands of WW2 winners (30% is IN germany). the rest is at FED in NY (45%), Bank of England in London /13%), and Bank of France in Paris (11%). (source)
but let's get the topic back to ukraine.
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On March 14 2014 01:45 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 01:42 PaleMan wrote:On March 14 2014 01:31 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:29 PaleMan wrote:On March 14 2014 01:27 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:26 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:25 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:22 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:12 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:07 fleeze wrote:
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wtf is wrong with you?
50k is stil A LOT. how does it matter to his argument that he exaggerated?
break his argument down to: "there are a lot of US troups in germany" and you see he is not THAT wrong.
also:
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what is wrong with you people? how dumb and stereotypical can you be? is attacking others personally a thing in here?
i'm from BW btw.... so quite the opposite... So there's something wrong with me because i want to make sure that someone who literally spouts the bs that you can hear in every eastern german Kneipe is from there, to form an opinion? How about british soldiers in germany, are they occupation-force as well? Since they almost have the same amount of soldiers in germany (by your "standards")? 50k is alot, then again, this here was literally the mexican standoff in the cold war, what exactly do you expect? Since the mauerfall they reduced the amount of soldiers gradually by 50% to this point. Weird for an occupied country, isn't it? It's also weird that the US minister Rumsfeld calls us "the old europe" because he was so fricking frustrated with germanys stance towards wars, that he lost it. It's weird, isn't it? the wall broke 25 years ago.... and yet there are still A LOT of troups and nuclear weapons. Could you please tell us why you actually hate that so much? You keep on saying we're occupied, but I'd like to hear something a bit more substantial or maybe why you hate being "occupied" so much. i hate that another country can violate our constitution heavily without consequences. see NSA and spying. also: our constitution is worth NOTHING if it can be circumvented that easily. The NSA could have spied on us without their troops here, so what else? its called dictatorship when you live under Big Brothers hand wanna tell me smthing about democracy again? Yeah, democracy in germany doesn't work, we didn't get to vote if a foreign country may spy on us, totally a dictatorship. i've also heard most of german gold is stored in USA and some time ago Germany asked "what about my gold, USA" could you remind me what happened? let me sum it up: - you have foreign armed troops in you territory - all your country negotiations are known to 3rd party (which has 50k armed troops on you territory) - your country gold is stored in anoter country (which has 50k armed troops on you territory and knows everything you think) - your country does everything another country asks this is democracy you say - i say you are hostage Sorry but you are not making any sense anymore, Idk where you got your quote about germany's gold.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-dollar-collapse-where-is-germanys-gold/5321894
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On March 14 2014 01:42 PaleMan wrote:
this is democracy you say - i say you are hostage
Well but you're also an idiot, so there's that. Could we also please stop derailing the thread?
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Zurich15366 Posts
OK Guys this thread is about Ukraine
Don't derail and stop it with the insults, jesus. The last 2 pages in here are bad even for this thread.
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If you invade Syria you get another Iraq, if you invade Crimea you get happy Russians and angry tweets from the West. Easy choice.
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On March 14 2014 01:42 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 01:31 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:29 PaleMan wrote:On March 14 2014 01:27 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:26 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:25 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:22 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:12 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:07 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:02 m4ini wrote:
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Nah, it's not that far off. Also, 25 years ago, he almost would've been right! wtf is wrong with you? 50k is stil A LOT. how does it matter to his argument that he exaggerated? break his argument down to: "there are a lot of US troups in germany" and you see he is not THAT wrong. also:
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What would interest me though, is if fleeze is an Ossi.
what is wrong with you people? how dumb and stereotypical can you be? is attacking others personally a thing in here? i'm from BW btw.... so quite the opposite... So there's something wrong with me because i want to make sure that someone who literally spouts the bs that you can hear in every eastern german Kneipe is from there, to form an opinion? How about british soldiers in germany, are they occupation-force as well? Since they almost have the same amount of soldiers in germany (by your "standards")? 50k is alot, then again, this here was literally the mexican standoff in the cold war, what exactly do you expect? Since the mauerfall they reduced the amount of soldiers gradually by 50% to this point. Weird for an occupied country, isn't it? It's also weird that the US minister Rumsfeld calls us "the old europe" because he was so fricking frustrated with germanys stance towards wars, that he lost it. It's weird, isn't it? the wall broke 25 years ago.... and yet there are still A LOT of troups and nuclear weapons. Could you please tell us why you actually hate that so much? You keep on saying we're occupied, but I'd like to hear something a bit more substantial or maybe why you hate being "occupied" so much. i hate that another country can violate our constitution heavily without consequences. see NSA and spying. also: our constitution is worth NOTHING if it can be circumvented that easily. The NSA could have spied on us without their troops here, so what else? its called dictatorship when you live under Big Brothers hand wanna tell me smthing about democracy again? Yeah, democracy in germany doesn't work, we didn't get to vote if a foreign country may spy on us, totally a dictatorship. i've also heard most of german gold is stored in USA and some time ago Germany asked "what about my gold, USA" could you remind me what happened? let me sum it up: - you have foreign armed troops in you territory - all your country negotiations are known to 3rd party (which has 50k armed troops on you territory) - your country gold is stored in anoter country (which has 50k armed troops on you territory and knows everything you think) - your country does everything another country asks this is democracy you say - i say you are hostage
The gold is in the process of coming home, the US doesn't use their troops to pressure us into anything and couldn't actually defend their bases should shit go down
And no, we don't do everything the US asks of us, they've been wanting us to change our economical policies for years now and last time they were literally laughed at and Schröder flipped Bush off when he wanted to drag us into the Iraq war.
You keep on calling us brainwashed by propaganda and much more, to be honest I can't say why you're not banned yet, but since it apparently doesn't count as flaming I'll go there.
You're completely brainwashed by russian propaganda, you barely know anything about the outside world and the things you write here are so often so horribly far from the truth that it's not even funny anymore, but the worst thing is that you're never even ashamed when people call you out on how wrong your "facts" are, like when you said that there are 100k american troops in Germany.
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Back to the topic, we've come way too far off.
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On March 14 2014 01:46 PaleMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 01:45 Acertos wrote:On March 14 2014 01:42 PaleMan wrote:On March 14 2014 01:31 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:29 PaleMan wrote:On March 14 2014 01:27 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:26 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:25 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:22 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:12 m4ini wrote:
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So there's something wrong with me because i want to make sure that someone who literally spouts the bs that you can hear in every eastern german Kneipe is from there, to form an opinion?
How about british soldiers in germany, are they occupation-force as well? Since they almost have the same amount of soldiers in germany (by your "standards")?
50k is alot, then again, this here was literally the mexican standoff in the cold war, what exactly do you expect? Since the mauerfall they reduced the amount of soldiers gradually by 50% to this point. Weird for an occupied country, isn't it? It's also weird that the US minister Rumsfeld calls us "the old europe" because he was so fricking frustrated with germanys stance towards wars, that he lost it. It's weird, isn't it?
the wall broke 25 years ago.... and yet there are still A LOT of troups and nuclear weapons. Could you please tell us why you actually hate that so much? You keep on saying we're occupied, but I'd like to hear something a bit more substantial or maybe why you hate being "occupied" so much. i hate that another country can violate our constitution heavily without consequences. see NSA and spying. also: our constitution is worth NOTHING if it can be circumvented that easily. The NSA could have spied on us without their troops here, so what else? its called dictatorship when you live under Big Brothers hand wanna tell me smthing about democracy again? Yeah, democracy in germany doesn't work, we didn't get to vote if a foreign country may spy on us, totally a dictatorship. i've also heard most of german gold is stored in USA and some time ago Germany asked "what about my gold, USA" could you remind me what happened? let me sum it up: - you have foreign armed troops in you territory - all your country negotiations are known to 3rd party (which has 50k armed troops on you territory) - your country gold is stored in anoter country (which has 50k armed troops on you territory and knows everything you think) - your country does everything another country asks this is democracy you say - i say you are hostage Sorry but you are not making any sense anymore, Idk where you got your quote about germany's gold. http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-dollar-collapse-where-is-germanys-gold/5321894
This actually contradicts your "puppet-statement". If you think hard, you may find out why. I'm not full of hopes though - let's just get back to ukraine.
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Russian Federation1953 Posts
On March 14 2014 01:49 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 01:46 PaleMan wrote:On March 14 2014 01:45 Acertos wrote:On March 14 2014 01:42 PaleMan wrote:On March 14 2014 01:31 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 01:29 PaleMan wrote:On March 14 2014 01:27 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:26 fleeze wrote:On March 14 2014 01:25 SilentchiLL wrote:On March 14 2014 01:22 fleeze wrote:
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the wall broke 25 years ago.... and yet there are still A LOT of troups and nuclear weapons.
Could you please tell us why you actually hate that so much? You keep on saying we're occupied, but I'd like to hear something a bit more substantial or maybe why you hate being "occupied" so much. i hate that another country can violate our constitution heavily without consequences. see NSA and spying. also: our constitution is worth NOTHING if it can be circumvented that easily. The NSA could have spied on us without their troops here, so what else? its called dictatorship when you live under Big Brothers hand wanna tell me smthing about democracy again? Yeah, democracy in germany doesn't work, we didn't get to vote if a foreign country may spy on us, totally a dictatorship. i've also heard most of german gold is stored in USA and some time ago Germany asked "what about my gold, USA" could you remind me what happened? let me sum it up: - you have foreign armed troops in you territory - all your country negotiations are known to 3rd party (which has 50k armed troops on you territory) - your country gold is stored in anoter country (which has 50k armed troops on you territory and knows everything you think) - your country does everything another country asks this is democracy you say - i say you are hostage Sorry but you are not making any sense anymore, Idk where you got your quote about germany's gold. http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-dollar-collapse-where-is-germanys-gold/5321894 This actually contradicts your "puppet-statement". If you think hard, you may find out why. I'm not full of hopes though - let's just get back to ukraine.
puppet tries to break free, and i wish it best luck
back on topic
Ukraine will suffer for years now, cause west ukrainians hate east ukrainians and vice versa
there will be blood
but not in Crimea, cause Russia will protect it
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On March 14 2014 01:53 PaleMan wrote:
but not in Crimea, cause Russia will protect it
Weren't there already several incidents of ethnic russians in Ukraine beating people up?
If I remember correctly atleast one of them was posted here.
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