Could you please tell us why you actually hate that so much? You keep on saying we're occupied, but I'd like to hear something a bit more substantial or maybe why you hate being "occupied" so much.
i hate that another country can violate our constitution heavily without consequences. see NSA and spying.
also: our constitution is worth NOTHING if it can be circumvented that easily.
The NSA could have spied on us without their troops here, so what else?
its called dictatorship when you live under Big Brothers hand
wanna tell me smthing about democracy again?
Yeah, democracy in germany doesn't work, we didn't get to vote if a foreign country may spy on us, totally a dictatorship.
i've also heard most of german gold is stored in USA and some time ago Germany asked "what about my gold, USA"
could you remind me what happened?
let me sum it up:
- you have foreign armed troops in you territory - all your country negotiations are known to 3rd party (which has 50k armed troops on you territory) - your country gold is stored in anoter country (which has 50k armed troops on you territory and knows everything you think) - your country does everything another country asks
this is democracy you say - i say you are hostage
Sorry but you are not making any sense anymore, Idk where you got your quote about germany's gold.
This actually contradicts your "puppet-statement". If you think hard, you may find out why. I'm not full of hopes though - let's just get back to ukraine.
puppet tries to break free, and i wish it best luck
back on topic
Ukraine will suffer for years now, cause west ukrainians hate east ukrainians and vice versa there will be blood but not in Crimea, cause Russia will protect it
Made all the more Ironic by there not being any violence between east and west, or even hatred, before the Russian invasion.
i hate that another country can violate our constitution heavily without consequences. see NSA and spying.
also: our constitution is worth NOTHING if it can be circumvented that easily.
The NSA could have spied on us without their troops here, so what else?
its called dictatorship when you live under Big Brothers hand
wanna tell me smthing about democracy again?
Yeah, democracy in germany doesn't work, we didn't get to vote if a foreign country may spy on us, totally a dictatorship.
i've also heard most of german gold is stored in USA and some time ago Germany asked "what about my gold, USA"
could you remind me what happened?
let me sum it up:
- you have foreign armed troops in you territory - all your country negotiations are known to 3rd party (which has 50k armed troops on you territory) - your country gold is stored in anoter country (which has 50k armed troops on you territory and knows everything you think) - your country does everything another country asks
this is democracy you say - i say you are hostage
Sorry but you are not making any sense anymore, Idk where you got your quote about germany's gold.
This actually contradicts your "puppet-statement". If you think hard, you may find out why. I'm not full of hopes though - let's just get back to ukraine.
puppet tries to break free, and i wish it best luck
back on topic
Ukraine will suffer for years now, cause west ukrainians hate east ukrainians and vice versa there will be blood but not in Crimea, cause Russia will protect it
Made all the more Ironic by there not being any violence between east and west, or even hatred, before the Russian invasion.
Ooph dude, you never was on Ukranian football stadiums, i guess. To say that there wasn't any violence between East and West :D
The NSA could have spied on us without their troops here, so what else?
its called dictatorship when you live under Big Brothers hand
wanna tell me smthing about democracy again?
Yeah, democracy in germany doesn't work, we didn't get to vote if a foreign country may spy on us, totally a dictatorship.
i've also heard most of german gold is stored in USA and some time ago Germany asked "what about my gold, USA"
could you remind me what happened?
let me sum it up:
- you have foreign armed troops in you territory - all your country negotiations are known to 3rd party (which has 50k armed troops on you territory) - your country gold is stored in anoter country (which has 50k armed troops on you territory and knows everything you think) - your country does everything another country asks
this is democracy you say - i say you are hostage
Sorry but you are not making any sense anymore, Idk where you got your quote about germany's gold.
This actually contradicts your "puppet-statement". If you think hard, you may find out why. I'm not full of hopes though - let's just get back to ukraine.
puppet tries to break free, and i wish it best luck
back on topic
Ukraine will suffer for years now, cause west ukrainians hate east ukrainians and vice versa there will be blood but not in Crimea, cause Russia will protect it
Made all the more Ironic by there not being any violence between east and west, or even hatred, before the Russian invasion.
Ooph dude, you never was on Ukranian football stadiums, i guess. To say that there wasn't any violence between East and West :D
That's not what he meant though, football in general is not the thing you point at if it comes to "peaceful gatherings".
its called dictatorship when you live under Big Brothers hand
wanna tell me smthing about democracy again?
Yeah, democracy in germany doesn't work, we didn't get to vote if a foreign country may spy on us, totally a dictatorship.
i've also heard most of german gold is stored in USA and some time ago Germany asked "what about my gold, USA"
could you remind me what happened?
let me sum it up:
- you have foreign armed troops in you territory - all your country negotiations are known to 3rd party (which has 50k armed troops on you territory) - your country gold is stored in anoter country (which has 50k armed troops on you territory and knows everything you think) - your country does everything another country asks
this is democracy you say - i say you are hostage
Sorry but you are not making any sense anymore, Idk where you got your quote about germany's gold.
This actually contradicts your "puppet-statement". If you think hard, you may find out why. I'm not full of hopes though - let's just get back to ukraine.
puppet tries to break free, and i wish it best luck
back on topic
Ukraine will suffer for years now, cause west ukrainians hate east ukrainians and vice versa there will be blood but not in Crimea, cause Russia will protect it
Made all the more Ironic by there not being any violence between east and west, or even hatred, before the Russian invasion.
Ooph dude, you never was on Ukranian football stadiums, i guess. To say that there wasn't any violence between East and West :D
That's not what he meant though, football in general is not the thing you point at if it comes to "peaceful gatherings".
Every population has their radicals though, i find it hard to blame whole population for bunch of people with different views.
i hate that another country can violate our constitution heavily without consequences. see NSA and spying.
also: our constitution is worth NOTHING if it can be circumvented that easily.
The NSA could have spied on us without their troops here, so what else?
its called dictatorship when you live under Big Brothers hand
wanna tell me smthing about democracy again?
Yeah, democracy in germany doesn't work, we didn't get to vote if a foreign country may spy on us, totally a dictatorship.
i've also heard most of german gold is stored in USA and some time ago Germany asked "what about my gold, USA"
could you remind me what happened?
let me sum it up:
- you have foreign armed troops in you territory - all your country negotiations are known to 3rd party (which has 50k armed troops on you territory) - your country gold is stored in anoter country (which has 50k armed troops on you territory and knows everything you think) - your country does everything another country asks
this is democracy you say - i say you are hostage
Sorry but you are not making any sense anymore, Idk where you got your quote about germany's gold.
This actually contradicts your "puppet-statement". If you think hard, you may find out why. I'm not full of hopes though - let's just get back to ukraine.
puppet tries to break free, and i wish it best luck
back on topic
Ukraine will suffer for years now, cause west ukrainians hate east ukrainians and vice versa there will be blood but not in Crimea, cause Russia will protect it
Made all the more Ironic by there not being any violence between east and west, or even hatred, before the Russian invasion.
well you clearly not having a clue
just for the info
its 9 may of 2011 in Lviv
so called "banderovtsy" kicking and insulting WW2 veterans and their relatives
i'll explain in the east Ukraine 9th of May is one of the biggest and respected holydays (end of WW2) in the west part of Ukrain some ppl call it Day of Sorrow and hate it cause they think their granfathers lost a war together with their allies - nazi germans
Wow I never thought I'd see globalresearch.ca used as a source lol.
in the west part of Ukrain some ppl call it Day of Sorrow and hate it cause they think their granfathers lost a war together with their allies - nazi germans
and some people hate it because it represents the re-imposition of genocidal soviet rule, but hey, nazis!
The intermittently close relationship between Bandera, the OUN and Nazi Germany have been described by historians such as David Marples as "ambivalent", tactical and opportunistic, with both sides trying to exploit the other unsuccessfully.
To be honest, i don't really know much about bandera, but what i read about him, well.. The thing people ("pro-russians") here seemingly forget is, why he actually collaborated with the nazi-regime. One might ask, what would he have done if there wasn't the soviet-threat.
One thing though:
The Soviet Union actively campaigned to discredit Bandera and all other Ukrainian nationalist partisans of World War II.
So i'm a bit indifferent now, it's certainly not as black and white as Pale or Zeo want to paint it here.
in the west part of Ukrain some ppl call it Day of Sorrow and hate it cause they think their granfathers lost a war together with their allies - nazi germans
and some people hate it because it represents the re-imposition of genocidal soviet rule, but hey, nazis!
so that is good reason to beat up their fellow ukrainians, right?
On March 14 2014 02:18 DeepElemBlues wrote: Wow I never thought I'd see globalresearch.ca used as a source lol.
in the west part of Ukrain some ppl call it Day of Sorrow and hate it cause they think their granfathers lost a war together with their allies - nazi germans
and some people hate it because it represents the re-imposition of genocidal soviet rule, but hey, nazis!
so that is good reason to beat up their fellow ukrainians, right?
according to certain russian partisans two in particular right here at TL, it is good reason for pro-russian gangs to beat up their fellow ukrainians.
On March 14 2014 02:18 DeepElemBlues wrote: Wow I never thought I'd see globalresearch.ca used as a source lol.
in the west part of Ukrain some ppl call it Day of Sorrow and hate it cause they think their granfathers lost a war together with their allies - nazi germans
and some people hate it because it represents the re-imposition of genocidal soviet rule, but hey, nazis!
so that is good reason to beat up their fellow ukrainians, right?
So by your logic, because some retards beat some other dudes up, they're all nazis. What are all russians then, after they burned the tatars restaurants/cars then?
On March 14 2014 02:18 DeepElemBlues wrote: Wow I never thought I'd see globalresearch.ca used as a source lol.
in the west part of Ukrain some ppl call it Day of Sorrow and hate it cause they think their granfathers lost a war together with their allies - nazi germans
and some people hate it because it represents the re-imposition of genocidal soviet rule, but hey, nazis!
so that is good reason to beat up their fellow ukrainians, right?
It's a good reason to have resentments against someone who called the fall of the Soviet Union 'the biggest tragedy of the 20th century" when your family died during the Holodomor, as did millions of other Ukrainians, especially in the agricultural focused West - Ukraine. It's funny how quick you are to imply that people sympathize with fascists, while for many people in the Ukraine the Soviet rule was equally bad.
The intermittently close relationship between Bandera, the OUN and Nazi Germany have been described by historians such as David Marples as "ambivalent", tactical and opportunistic, with both sides trying to exploit the other unsuccessfully.
To be honest, i don't really know much about bandera, but what i read about him, well.. The thing people ("pro-russians") here seemingly forget is, why he actually collaborated with the nazi-regime. One might ask, what would he have done if there wasn't the soviet-threat.
On March 14 2014 01:53 PaleMan wrote: but not in Crimea, cause Russia will protect it
Weren't there already several incidents of ethnic russians in Ukraine beating people up? If I remember correctly atleast one of them was posted here.
Well there has been gun attack on pro-Russian protesters in Kharkov, one of them was wounded in the back. Haven't heard of any other serious incidents.
The intermittently close relationship between Bandera, the OUN and Nazi Germany have been described by historians such as David Marples as "ambivalent", tactical and opportunistic, with both sides trying to exploit the other unsuccessfully.
To be honest, i don't really know much about bandera, but what i read about him, well.. The thing people ("pro-russians") here seemingly forget is, why he actually collaborated with the nazi-regime. One might ask, what would he have done if there wasn't the soviet-threat.
One thing though:
The Soviet Union actively campaigned to discredit Bandera and all other Ukrainian nationalist partisans of World War II.
So i'm a bit indifferent now, it's certainly not as black and white as Pale or Zeo want to paint it here.
Just what this thread needed - some Nazi apologism.
Cute, a toon. There's no apologism needed, i cited wikipedia and historians. I even said i don't know much about bandera.
The intermittently close relationship between Bandera, the OUN and Nazi Germany have been described by historians such as David Marples as "ambivalent", tactical and opportunistic, with both sides trying to exploit the other unsuccessfully.
To be honest, i don't really know much about bandera, but what i read about him, well.. The thing people ("pro-russians") here seemingly forget is, why he actually collaborated with the nazi-regime. One might ask, what would he have done if there wasn't the soviet-threat.
The Soviet Union actively campaigned to discredit Bandera and all other Ukrainian nationalist partisans of World War II.
So i'm a bit indifferent now, it's certainly not as black and white as Pale or Zeo want to paint it here.
OUN and UPA were bad. Read up on Volhynia genocide/ethnic cleasings if you want to know what Shukhevych and him alike did back then. That does not mean that Soviets were better though.
On March 14 2014 02:18 DeepElemBlues wrote: Wow I never thought I'd see globalresearch.ca used as a source lol.
in the west part of Ukrain some ppl call it Day of Sorrow and hate it cause they think their granfathers lost a war together with their allies - nazi germans
and some people hate it because it represents the re-imposition of genocidal soviet rule, but hey, nazis!
so that is good reason to beat up their fellow ukrainians, right?
It's a good reason to have resentments against someone who called the fall of the Soviet Union 'the biggest tragedy of the 20th century" when your family died during the Holodomor, as did millions of other Ukrainians, especially in the agricultural focused West - Ukraine. It's funny how quick you are to imply that people sympathize with fascists, while for many people in the Ukraine the Soviet rule was equally bad.
it was a great hunger in Russia, Ukraine and Kazakhstan - millions and millions died, it wasn't specifically pointed towards ukrainians
On March 14 2014 02:18 DeepElemBlues wrote: Wow I never thought I'd see globalresearch.ca used as a source lol.
in the west part of Ukrain some ppl call it Day of Sorrow and hate it cause they think their granfathers lost a war together with their allies - nazi germans
and some people hate it because it represents the re-imposition of genocidal soviet rule, but hey, nazis!
so that is good reason to beat up their fellow ukrainians, right?
It's a good reason to have resentments against someone who called the fall of the Soviet Union 'the biggest tragedy of the 20th century" when your family died during the Holodomor, as did millions of other Ukrainians, especially in the agricultural focused West - Ukraine. It's funny how quick you are to imply that people sympathize with fascists, while for many people in the Ukraine the Soviet rule was equally bad.
it was a great hunger in Russia, Ukraine and Kazakhstan - millions and millions died, it wasn't specifically pointed towards ukrainians
That is an outright lie. I suggest you to read up what Holodomor really was instead of saying such BS.
On March 14 2014 02:18 DeepElemBlues wrote: Wow I never thought I'd see globalresearch.ca used as a source lol.
in the west part of Ukrain some ppl call it Day of Sorrow and hate it cause they think their granfathers lost a war together with their allies - nazi germans
and some people hate it because it represents the re-imposition of genocidal soviet rule, but hey, nazis!
so that is good reason to beat up their fellow ukrainians, right?
It's a good reason to have resentments against someone who called the fall of the Soviet Union 'the biggest tragedy of the 20th century" when your family died during the Holodomor, as did millions of other Ukrainians, especially in the agricultural focused West - Ukraine. It's funny how quick you are to imply that people sympathize with fascists, while for many people in the Ukraine the Soviet rule was equally bad.
it was a great hunger in Russia, Ukraine and Kazakhstan - millions and millions died, it wasn't specifically pointed towards ukrainians
The majority of victims where Ukrainians. How does it millions of dead Ukrainians and their children help that people in Kazakhstan died too? Also the important part is it wasn't just a hunger. It was a man made catastrophe induced by collectivization, deportation and other policies put in place by the Soviet Government.
The intermittently close relationship between Bandera, the OUN and Nazi Germany have been described by historians such as David Marples as "ambivalent", tactical and opportunistic, with both sides trying to exploit the other unsuccessfully.
To be honest, i don't really know much about bandera, but what i read about him, well.. The thing people ("pro-russians") here seemingly forget is, why he actually collaborated with the nazi-regime. One might ask, what would he have done if there wasn't the soviet-threat.
One thing though:
The Soviet Union actively campaigned to discredit Bandera and all other Ukrainian nationalist partisans of World War II.
So i'm a bit indifferent now, it's certainly not as black and white as Pale or Zeo want to paint it here.
OUN and UPA were bad. Read up on Volhynia genocide/ethnic cleasings if you want to know what Shukhevych and him alike did back then. That does not mean that Soviets were better though.
Thanks for pointing that out, didn't know about these incedents - reading up at the moment.
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