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zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 20:14:43
January 25 2014 20:13 GMT
#461
i havent followed the case that much lately but arent the protesters trying to make the democratically chosen president to step down by threatening with violence ? hard to decide on whose side i should be on this one.

sorry if im make no sense since finnish media havent covered this very well
Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
January 25 2014 20:16 GMT
#462
On January 26 2014 05:13 zezamer wrote:
i havent followed the case that much lately but arent the protesters trying to make the democratically chosen president to step down by threatening with violence ? hard to decide on whose side i should be on this one.

sorry if im make no sense since finnish media havent covered this very well


Don't think that is a very accurate interpretation of the events to say the least. You can read about the events on wikipedia.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 20:30:15
January 25 2014 20:25 GMT
#463
On January 26 2014 05:16 Crushinator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 05:13 zezamer wrote:
i havent followed the case that much lately but arent the protesters trying to make the democratically chosen president to step down by threatening with violence ? hard to decide on whose side i should be on this one.

sorry if im make no sense since finnish media havent covered this very well


Don't think that is a very accurate interpretation of the events to say the least. You can read about the events on wikipedia.

It's more accurate than you think. In the end one side is funded by one foreign interest, the other side is funded by another foreign interest. Meanwhile Ukraine's economy has taken a huge blow because of the unrest caused by the protests, nobody wins.
On January 26 2014 05:02 Cheerio wrote:
I don't think anything less than preliminary Presidential and Parliament elections is going to work. And I don't think people will leave until the elections conclude in their favor. A lot of people view Yanukovich regime as terrorists who totally usurped power in the country, there can be no negotiations with the terrorists.

"Democracy"
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 20:33:40
January 25 2014 20:31 GMT
#464
On January 26 2014 05:25 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 05:16 Crushinator wrote:
On January 26 2014 05:13 zezamer wrote:
i havent followed the case that much lately but arent the protesters trying to make the democratically chosen president to step down by threatening with violence ? hard to decide on whose side i should be on this one.

sorry if im make no sense since finnish media havent covered this very well


Don't think that is a very accurate interpretation of the events to say the least. You can read about the events on wikipedia.

It's more accurate than you think. In the end one side is funded by one foreign interest, the other side is funded by another foreign interest. Meanwhile Ukraine's economy has taken a huge blow because of the unrest caused by the protests, nobody wins.

No, it is not. These are dissilussioned people who were lied to by their democratically chosen president. And they decided to take matters into their hands.

EDIT: It appears opposition rejected the offer. That was the only good decision they could make there.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 20:37:36
January 25 2014 20:33 GMT
#465
On January 26 2014 05:13 zezamer wrote:
i havent followed the case that much lately but arent the protesters trying to make the democratically chosen president to step down by threatening with violence ? hard to decide on whose side i should be on this one.

sorry if im make no sense since finnish media havent covered this very well

[image loading]

This is the governments quality police, so now you can figure out how awesome their democratically chosen president is.

Edit: Not to forget this guy actually went to prison two times for robbery and assault and was charged with fraud and falsification of documents several times.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
January 25 2014 20:33 GMT
#466
One more important notice: while Yanukovich is trying to look like he is working for a peaceful solution and compromise, in his administration a bill has been put up (which has already been leaked to the press) that aims to block the accounts of companies and organizations which are helping Euromaidan in any way. The bill is supposed to be approved on Tuesday by the pro-Presidential majority.
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 20:38:23
January 25 2014 20:37 GMT
#467
[image loading]

[image loading]

And these people are somehow better ? =/

I cant really understand this thing because in not ukrainian etc so I just hope this doesnt lead into some kind of civil war
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
January 25 2014 20:38 GMT
#468
yes, because as a last resort they're trying to overthrow their corrupt government.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 20:41:47
January 25 2014 20:39 GMT
#469
There are reports that Yatsenyuk has already claimed he had been shocked to be proposed a Prime Minister seat and had made it clear during the negotiations process. He was totally against making it public since such a deal was unacceptable.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22548 Posts
January 25 2014 20:42 GMT
#470
On January 26 2014 05:37 zezamer wrote:

<Snip>

And these people are somehow better ? =/

I cant really understand this thing because in not ukrainian etc so I just hope this doesnt lead into some kind of civil war

Who knew massive civil unrest can get messy...
Yes he might be a democratic chosen president but these forms off protest are just another way in which the people have power over the government.
And like it or not but the power to protest and demand elections is vital in democracies.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
January 25 2014 20:43 GMT
#471
On January 26 2014 05:37 zezamer wrote:
[image loading]

This photo is not even from the current events, people are dressed like it's summer-time. Nice job.
Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
January 25 2014 20:45 GMT
#472
On January 26 2014 05:37 zezamer wrote:

And these people are somehow better ? =/

I cant really understand this thing because in not ukrainian etc so I just hope this doesnt lead into some kind of civil war


The government forces are making it impossible to protest and fight corruption peacefully by passing a series of ridiculous anti-protest laws. Any protester is a criminal because they made them criminals, I can understand that many feel that violent resistance is an option now, because there isn't very much else left.
Saumure
Profile Joined February 2012
France404 Posts
January 25 2014 21:00 GMT
#473
I hope Ukraine can stay strong and not fall in EU trap
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6313 Posts
January 25 2014 21:25 GMT
#474
On January 26 2014 05:25 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 05:16 Crushinator wrote:
On January 26 2014 05:13 zezamer wrote:
i havent followed the case that much lately but arent the protesters trying to make the democratically chosen president to step down by threatening with violence ? hard to decide on whose side i should be on this one.

sorry if im make no sense since finnish media havent covered this very well


Don't think that is a very accurate interpretation of the events to say the least. You can read about the events on wikipedia.

It's more accurate than you think. In the end one side is funded by one foreign interest, the other side is funded by another foreign interest. Meanwhile Ukraine's economy has taken a huge blow because of the unrest caused by the protests, nobody wins.
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 05:02 Cheerio wrote:
I don't think anything less than preliminary Presidential and Parliament elections is going to work. And I don't think people will leave until the elections conclude in their favor. A lot of people view Yanukovich regime as terrorists who totally usurped power in the country, there can be no negotiations with the terrorists.

"Democracy"

Being democratically elected doesn't give you the right to trample on the rights of the minority and pass all the laws you want. The right to protest is vital in any democracy and he doesn't respect it.
Holy_AT
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria978 Posts
January 25 2014 21:32 GMT
#475
If this was a main movement of the populous they should protest peacefully, because they cant throw everyone in prison.
And people should also blame themselves for voting for them in the first place.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22548 Posts
January 25 2014 21:36 GMT
#476
On January 26 2014 06:32 Holy_AT wrote:
If this was a main movement of the populous they should protest peacefully, because they cant throw everyone in prison.
And people should also blame themselves for voting for them in the first place.

Its natural that protests to turn violent when they are ignored/declared illegal.
Its called human nature.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Holy_AT
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria978 Posts
January 25 2014 21:39 GMT
#477
On January 26 2014 06:36 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 06:32 Holy_AT wrote:
If this was a main movement of the populous they should protest peacefully, because they cant throw everyone in prison.
And people should also blame themselves for voting for them in the first place.

Its natural that protests to turn violent when they are ignored/declared illegal.
Its called human nature.


Like dahh, its also human nature to protest peacefully. There are numerous examples and its no justification in any way.
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
January 25 2014 21:50 GMT
#478
I would imagine it would be hard for protesters to remain peaceful when their rights are being taken away and they're being shot at, kidnapped, tortured, maimed and killed.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
January 25 2014 22:00 GMT
#479
it's kind of hard to remain peaceful when there are radicals who want to be violent from the start anyway, and the government uses water cannons and tear gas and rubber bullets on peaceful and violent protesters indiscriminately
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 25 2014 22:52 GMT
#480
I could see bigger and more terrible things happening in the near future. It's not a certainty at all, but it is a possibility. A lot of successful revolutions (American, French, Russian come off the top of my head) have been led by a vocal and pissed-off minority that eventually changed the political landscape enough that people ended up having to pick a side. It seems that Euromaidan and Yanukovich's reactions to it are deteriorating in the same way.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
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