Ukraine Crisis - Page 232

On March 07 2014 15:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Is it just me or has Germany shown itself to be really a pushover. I mean Poland and Lithuania have protested and done more in support of Ukraine than the supposed strongman of Europe.

The semi-formal government of the Crimean Tatars said Thursday that the ethnic minority will boycott the secession referendum set by the Ukrainian region’s pro-Russian authorities. The majlis requests an armed UN peacekeeping force be deployed in the Crimean peninsula, Chubarov said.

On March 07 2014 15:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Is it just me or has Germany shown itself to be really a pushover. I mean Poland and Lithuania have protested and done more in support of Ukraine than the supposed strongman of Europe.

On March 07 2014 15:56 zatic wrote:

Welcome to Merkel administration foreign policy

Actually so far I am more content with how they handled it than most international issues in recent years. Compared to the Libya disaster Germany still looks quite solid.

On March 07 2014 16:05 Sub40APM wrote:

was Schroeder any better?

On March 07 2014 15:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Is it just me or has Germany shown itself to be really a pushover. I mean Poland and Lithuania have protested and done more in support of Ukraine than the supposed strongman of Europe.

On March 07 2014 15:40 Sub40APM wrote:
And on the third hand, unless they turn their nuclear reactors back on or find a bunch of gas under Saxony what are they going to do, grind down their economy for some poor country? Just as they've just won the mastery over Europe?

On March 07 2014 15:34 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Good video providing some historical background in regards to Crimea and Ukraine, discussing events from the Crimean War to USSR to the Orange Revolution to the current Russia - EU/US tug-of-war. See spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +

Also I'm going to assume people suggesting or implying war with Russia are joking. lol

Запад забирает территорию, чтобы создать зону нестабильности, отсекающую Россию, в случае Украины, от прямых стратегических контактов с Европой. Чтобы не дать России и Европе объединить свои усилия, экономический и стратегический потенциал и создать субъект, который мог бы быть противовесом американской гегемонии.
The West is taking away territory, in order to create a zone of instability, that will cut off, in case of Ukraine, with direct strategic contacts with Europe. So that Russia and Europe cannot unit their forces, to unite their economic and strategic potential to create an object that could stand against American hegemony.

Россия, в свою очередь, пытается отстоять эти территории. Косово отстоять не удалось, Югославию мы сдали в силу слабости и неготовности встать за свои интересы. Мы сдали Восточную Европу, постсоветское пространство. Но на Украине Россия остановилась в своем отступлении и решила закрепить линию фронта для того, чтобы перейти в стратегическое контрнаступление.
Russia in turn is trying to keep these territories. To keep Kosovo proved impossible, in Yugoslavia we surrendered to weakness and unwillingness to stand up to our interests. We surrendered Eastern Europe after the Soviet Union. But in Ukraine, Russia stopped its retreat and decided to fortify the front line in order to began a strategic counter attack.

В случае же, если Украина окажется под влияние Запада, она превратится просто в территорию хаоса, взаимной резни и абсолютной тотальной нищеты, как-то, что мы наблюдаем в других государствах, доставшихся Западу после крушения СССР.
In case if Ukraine happens to fall under the influence of the West, she will turn simply into a territory of chaos, mutual massacre and absolutely total poverty, just like we have seen in other governments that fell to the West after the collapse of the USSR. [my editorial: You hear that Baltic bros, you are a territory of chaos and mutual massacre]

Как теперь регулировать мировой порядок? Что заменит Хельсинкский акт о "нерушимости границ, невмешательстве во внутренние дела государств"? How can we now maintain world order? What will replace Helsinki agreement on "non violation of borders, non interference in foreign affairs"? (I think they mean this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helsinki_Accords)

— Данные акты были подписаны в эпоху, когда Россия имела серьезный геополитический вес. После этого картина мира значительно изменилась. СССР перестал существовать, соответственно, все соглашения, которые были подписаны в этот период, потеряли свое значение. The underlying act was signed at the time when Russia had a serious geopolitical weight. After that, the picture of the world changed. USSR ceased to exist, therefore all of its agreements lost their value

Потеряли особенно в тех государствах, которые так же перестали существовать и превратились в зону противостояния великой войны континентов между Евразией и Атлантикой. They especially lost their value in those governments that also ceased to exist and turned into the zone of resistance of the great war of continents between Eurasia and Atlantic.

Kрымские парламентарии проведут встречи с руководством Госдумы и Совета Федерации, на которых обсудят порядок проведения референдума о статусе Республики Крым, готовность к нему местных властей, а также предложение о переносе столицы Крыма в Севастополь. Как заявили «Известиям» российские парламентарии, крымчанам будет оказана любая помощь, которая потребуется от России.

The Crimean delegation will have meetings with leadership of both houses of Russian legislature, during which there will be discussions on the order of the execution of the referendum on the status of the Republic of Crimea, preparation of this by local authorities and a suggestion to transfer the capital to Sevastopol. As it was announced by the Russian parliament, the Crimeans will receive any help that they will need from Russia.

Кроме того, Верховный совет Крыма обратился к Владимиру Путину и обеим палатам российского парламента с предложением начать процедуру вхождения Крыма в состав России в качестве нового субъекта. Besides this, the high council of Crimea turned to V. Putin and both houses of Russian parliament with request to begin the process of joining crime to the Russian federation as a new subject

— Нет времени ждать. Новая киевская власть применяет репрессивные меры ко всем, кто не согласен с ее решениями. Например, на оппонирующих ей активистов в Харькове, Донецке возбуждаются уголовные дела, а в отношении Крыма звучат предложения от радикально настроенных атаманов навести там порядок, — пояснил «Известиям» народный депутат Украины Олег Царев.
There is no time to wait, declared national deputy of Ukraine Oleg Zarev, the new powers in Kiev are expanding repression against all who dont agree with it. For example, against opposition forces in Kharkiv, Donetsk they are passing criminal cases, and in relation to Crimea there are suggestion from 'radical oriented ataman (ataman is the Russian word for leader of cossacks) to 'create there order' (so the whole sentence basically means radical fascists want to invade crimea and restore order by killing Russians).

Барак Обама нагнетает истерию, играет мускулами для того, чтобы выиграть для себя как можно больше преференций в переговорном процессе. Не думаю, что США на самом деле рискнут применять военную силу с учетом того, что возможностей для маневра у этого крейсера немного, а в случае обострения ситуации уйти назад он не сможет, так как ему сложно будет конкурировать с огневой мощью Черноморского флота России, — отметил сенатор Игорь Морозов.

Barrack Obama is raising hysterics and playing with his muscles in order to secure as much as possible preference in the negotiation process, noted Senator Igor Morozov. I dont think the USA in reality will risk to deploy military forces [referring to the war ship entering the black sea] because this cruiser has little possibility for maneuver and in an event of an exchange of fire it will not manage to escape because it will be difficult to compete with the firepower of the mighty Russian Black Fleet

Правительство РФ не выглядит готовым к интеграции Крыма. Официальных мнений и оценок не существует, эксперты позволяют предположить, что Крым потребует от бюджета минимум $3 млрд в год дополнительных расходов. Причем первые транши будут необходимы в оперативном режиме — чтобы избежать оттока населения, чей уровень жизни на первом этапе неизбежно упадет.
The leadership of the Russian Federation does not look prepared to the integration of Crimea. Official opinion and calculation does not exist, experts predict provisionally that Crimea will require a minimum of 3 billion a year of extra expenditure. And the first tranche of this spending will need to come almost immediately in order to prevent a rapid fall in living standards

On March 07 2014 17:15 Liman wrote:

That video is not that good when guy admits he made many mistakes in making it lol
Hes even too lazy to remake it and do it right.
And its colored by propaganda.

On March 07 2014 12:21 SilentchiLL wrote:


China would never go to war with anybody over such a trivial russian interest like that.
Economically China has way more connections with the west than with Russia, they may agree with Putin and back him up in a lot of things, but China wouldn't go to war with the west for him.

On March 07 2014 09:54 Dracover wrote:


I'm no expert but my normal mans understanding is there will be too much liquidity and create chaos in finance markets.

e.g.
If all your investment banks of the world bought all the bonds Russia and China, where will the money come from? At the moment the funds will be invested in shares, property and various other investment types. If they wanted to buy these bonds they will have to sell their investment in shares and property etc to be able to buy these bonds which essentially will drive down all the prices in other financial areas.

Also I don't think you will even need to sell at a huge loss. E.g. if USD100 bond at the moment generates a return of 5% and a $100 investment in property generates a return of 9% where 4% represents the additional risk investing in property vs investing in bonds. All you have to do is sell the bond at $99 and an investor will say that will give me a 5% premium where the risk is 4%. etc and to do have the $99 they will sell their property which will drive down property prices.

On March 07 2014 17:15 Liman wrote:

That video is not that good when guy admits he made many mistakes in making it lol
Hes even too lazy to remake it and do it right.
And its colored by propaganda.

On March 07 2014 17:31 Cheerio wrote:

Bulgarian journalists attacked in Crimea. The main goal was to take away almost all of their equipment, including smartphones.

On March 07 2014 09:03 Jaaaaasper wrote:

Yeah as long as theres 140% turn out in voting districts he might lose, hes a autocrat.

On March 07 2014 17:38 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:


Who is doing the attacking? Obviously there are security issues in Crimea for things like this to happen.

On March 07 2014 17:38 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:




Who is doing the attacking? Obviously there are security issues in Crimea for things like this to happen.

On March 07 2014 17:46 Cheerio wrote:

Are you asking to be spoonfed information?

On March 07 2014 17:45 Feartheguru wrote:

Yeah, and as long as you say stuff like this you show you have no understanding of Russia and are just circlejerking. Whether you like him or not, his popularity in Russia is undeniable.

On March 07 2014 18:17 Ghanburighan wrote:
Here's a handy crowdsourced collection of links to articles which claim to have evidence that the occupying troops are Russian.

P.S. I was wondering what happened to the Mistral sale by France. Apparently nothing, which might explain why France has been very careful about reacting to this crisis.