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On March 02 2014 01:59 zeonmx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 01:57 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2014 01:55 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 01:54 zlefin wrote:
Russia sure likes posturing needlessly and causing trouble.
They could have just called for a referendum in Crimea, and probably won (especially with their covert efforts). That's precisely what Crimea has voted to do. They voted to have a democratic referendum. But the Kiev-Junta government have refused to honour the outcome. They tried to take part in the democratic process. The democratic process isn't democratic when an outside nation moves troops in with the intent of backing one side. Nice try though. That happened after the illegal Kiev government intruded in their referendum. But nice try.
Did you know that violent conflict manipulates the outcome of a vote? Astounding stuff I know.
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On March 02 2014 01:46 AA.spoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 01:43 shell wrote:
I have only one thing to say about Russian ways..
They seem to very worried because they feel that Crimeans need to have independence and shouldn't be under a nation they don't want to belong.. why don't they have the same worries about the peoples of Ossetia, Tchetchenia and all the other regions that want independence from Russia?
Moscow is hypocrit and imperialistic
Same as any other big power.
One could get independence only if powers that be have interest in it.
I dont think they are considering independent Crimea,they are considering annexing it.They might consider making south-east Ukraine independent or forcing Kiev to make a federation.
China does not care.
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On March 02 2014 02:00 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 01:59 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 01:57 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2014 01:55 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 01:54 zlefin wrote:
Russia sure likes posturing needlessly and causing trouble.
They could have just called for a referendum in Crimea, and probably won (especially with their covert efforts). That's precisely what Crimea has voted to do. They voted to have a democratic referendum. But the Kiev-Junta government have refused to honour the outcome. They tried to take part in the democratic process. The democratic process isn't democratic when an outside nation moves troops in with the intent of backing one side. Nice try though. That happened after the illegal Kiev government intruded in their referendum. But nice try. Did you know that violent conflict manipulates the outcome of a vote? Astounding stuff I know.
Did you also know that Yanukovych was ousted from his office from outside manipulation to support the revolution? Fascinating stuffs I know.
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He was ousted from his office for being a corrupt scumbag.
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On March 02 2014 02:02 zeonmx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 02:00 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2014 01:59 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 01:57 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2014 01:55 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 01:54 zlefin wrote:
Russia sure likes posturing needlessly and causing trouble.
They could have just called for a referendum in Crimea, and probably won (especially with their covert efforts). That's precisely what Crimea has voted to do. They voted to have a democratic referendum. But the Kiev-Junta government have refused to honour the outcome. They tried to take part in the democratic process. The democratic process isn't democratic when an outside nation moves troops in with the intent of backing one side. Nice try though. That happened after the illegal Kiev government intruded in their referendum. But nice try. Did you know that violent conflict manipulates the outcome of a vote? Astounding stuff I know. Did you also know that Yanukovych was ousted from his office from outside manipulation to support the revolution? Fascinating stuffs I know.
Only if you believe in poorly drawn cartoons and RT.com articles.
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On March 02 2014 02:03 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 02:02 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 02:00 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2014 01:59 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 01:57 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2014 01:55 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 01:54 zlefin wrote:
Russia sure likes posturing needlessly and causing trouble.
They could have just called for a referendum in Crimea, and probably won (especially with their covert efforts). That's precisely what Crimea has voted to do. They voted to have a democratic referendum. But the Kiev-Junta government have refused to honour the outcome. They tried to take part in the democratic process. The democratic process isn't democratic when an outside nation moves troops in with the intent of backing one side. Nice try though. That happened after the illegal Kiev government intruded in their referendum. But nice try. Did you know that violent conflict manipulates the outcome of a vote? Astounding stuff I know. Did you also know that Yanukovych was ousted from his office from outside manipulation to support the revolution? Fascinating stuffs I know. Only if you believe in poorly drawn cartoons and RT.com articles.
And western medias aren't slightly biased in anyway possible. Ok. The whole referendum was going to solve Crimean issue until Junta came in and interrupted the whole process.
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On March 02 2014 02:07 zeo wrote:Some media are stuck in the cold war: + Show Spoiler +
One leg it and one out it would seem.
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On March 02 2014 02:07 zeonmx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 02:03 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2014 02:02 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 02:00 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2014 01:59 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 01:57 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2014 01:55 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 01:54 zlefin wrote:
Russia sure likes posturing needlessly and causing trouble.
They could have just called for a referendum in Crimea, and probably won (especially with their covert efforts). That's precisely what Crimea has voted to do. They voted to have a democratic referendum. But the Kiev-Junta government have refused to honour the outcome. They tried to take part in the democratic process. The democratic process isn't democratic when an outside nation moves troops in with the intent of backing one side. Nice try though. That happened after the illegal Kiev government intruded in their referendum. But nice try. Did you know that violent conflict manipulates the outcome of a vote? Astounding stuff I know. Did you also know that Yanukovych was ousted from his office from outside manipulation to support the revolution? Fascinating stuffs I know. Only if you believe in poorly drawn cartoons and RT.com articles. And western medias aren't slightly biased in anyway possible. Ok. The whole referendum was going to solve Crimean issue until Junta came in and interrupted the whole process.
I am in no way suggesting that Western media is unbiased in calling you out for being a Russian interest shill. Only in a fantasy land does a single referendum solve the Crimea problem.
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On March 02 2014 02:07 zeo wrote:Some media are stuck in the cold war: + Show Spoiler +
Okay, I'll bite. I actually see no faults in the picture. Care to explain it to me?
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On March 02 2014 02:14 Twoflowers wrote:Okay, I'll bite. I actually see no faults in the picture. Care to explain it to me?
Czechoslovakia
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On March 02 2014 02:11 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 02:07 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 02:03 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2014 02:02 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 02:00 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2014 01:59 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 01:57 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2014 01:55 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 01:54 zlefin wrote:
Russia sure likes posturing needlessly and causing trouble.
They could have just called for a referendum in Crimea, and probably won (especially with their covert efforts). That's precisely what Crimea has voted to do. They voted to have a democratic referendum. But the Kiev-Junta government have refused to honour the outcome. They tried to take part in the democratic process. The democratic process isn't democratic when an outside nation moves troops in with the intent of backing one side. Nice try though. That happened after the illegal Kiev government intruded in their referendum. But nice try. Did you know that violent conflict manipulates the outcome of a vote? Astounding stuff I know. Did you also know that Yanukovych was ousted from his office from outside manipulation to support the revolution? Fascinating stuffs I know. Only if you believe in poorly drawn cartoons and RT.com articles. And western medias aren't slightly biased in anyway possible. Ok. The whole referendum was going to solve Crimean issue until Junta came in and interrupted the whole process. I am in no way suggesting that Western media is unbiased in calling you out for being a Russian interest shill. Only in a fantasy land does a single referendum solve the Crimea problem.
How am I being pro-Russia? LOL, another reactionary post. Too typical.
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On March 02 2014 02:14 Twoflowers wrote:Okay, I'll bite. I actually see no faults in the picture. Care to explain it to me?
Czechoslovakia
EDIT: But it is better than during Iraq war we were once labeled as Iraq. We were afraid we will be bombed any minute after that 
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On March 02 2014 01:59 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 01:57 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2014 01:55 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 01:54 zlefin wrote:
Russia sure likes posturing needlessly and causing trouble.
They could have just called for a referendum in Crimea, and probably won (especially with their covert efforts). That's precisely what Crimea has voted to do. They voted to have a democratic referendum. But the Kiev-Junta government have refused to honour the outcome. They tried to take part in the democratic process. The democratic process isn't democratic when an outside nation moves troops in with the intent of backing one side. Nice try though. The democratic process isn't democratic when an outside nation funds and supports ultra-nationalists taking down a democratically elected government.
Is it still democratically elected when there was massive cheating going on when votes were counted?
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On March 02 2014 02:11 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 02:07 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 02:03 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2014 02:02 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 02:00 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2014 01:59 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 01:57 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2014 01:55 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 01:54 zlefin wrote:
Russia sure likes posturing needlessly and causing trouble.
They could have just called for a referendum in Crimea, and probably won (especially with their covert efforts). That's precisely what Crimea has voted to do. They voted to have a democratic referendum. But the Kiev-Junta government have refused to honour the outcome. They tried to take part in the democratic process. The democratic process isn't democratic when an outside nation moves troops in with the intent of backing one side. Nice try though. That happened after the illegal Kiev government intruded in their referendum. But nice try. Did you know that violent conflict manipulates the outcome of a vote? Astounding stuff I know. Did you also know that Yanukovych was ousted from his office from outside manipulation to support the revolution? Fascinating stuffs I know. Only if you believe in poorly drawn cartoons and RT.com articles. And western medias aren't slightly biased in anyway possible. Ok. The whole referendum was going to solve Crimean issue until Junta came in and interrupted the whole process. I am in no way suggesting that Western media is unbiased in calling you out for being a Russian interest shill. Only in a fantasy land does a single referendum solve the Crimea problem.
Where are those people who claimed that local referendum would solve territory issues in Falklands referendum. thread? I remember some people supported the idea that referendum should decide it.
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On March 02 2014 02:15 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 02:14 Twoflowers wrote:On March 02 2014 02:07 zeo wrote:Some media are stuck in the cold war: + Show Spoiler + Okay, I'll bite. I actually see no faults in the picture. Care to explain it to me? Czechoslovakia
Of course, right. Totally didn't see that.
€: Probably because they got the border between Czech Republic and Slovakia right, didn't they?
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On March 02 2014 02:07 zeo wrote:Some media are stuck in the cold war: + Show Spoiler +
ah, tears of joy for old imperialist
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On March 02 2014 02:14 Twoflowers wrote:Okay, I'll bite. I actually see no faults in the picture. Care to explain it to me?
Czechoslovakia doesnt exist anymore; its czech republic and slovakia today.
I just hope nothing tupid happens in Ukraine.
From what I recently read iin media here, most inhabitants of Crimea are actually pro-Russia. But then again, wasnt it the other way around in Chechnya, and russia didn't let them go either (This is a real question, I'm not sure but I think it was that way)? There are probaly a lot of double standards involved from all parties, so I find it really hard to make my opinion.
Let's just hope it doesn't escalate any further.
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On March 02 2014 02:11 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 02:07 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 02:03 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2014 02:02 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 02:00 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2014 01:59 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 01:57 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2014 01:55 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 01:54 zlefin wrote:
Russia sure likes posturing needlessly and causing trouble.
They could have just called for a referendum in Crimea, and probably won (especially with their covert efforts). That's precisely what Crimea has voted to do. They voted to have a democratic referendum. But the Kiev-Junta government have refused to honour the outcome. They tried to take part in the democratic process. The democratic process isn't democratic when an outside nation moves troops in with the intent of backing one side. Nice try though. That happened after the illegal Kiev government intruded in their referendum. But nice try. Did you know that violent conflict manipulates the outcome of a vote? Astounding stuff I know. Did you also know that Yanukovych was ousted from his office from outside manipulation to support the revolution? Fascinating stuffs I know. Only if you believe in poorly drawn cartoons and RT.com articles. And western medias aren't slightly biased in anyway possible. Ok. The whole referendum was going to solve Crimean issue until Junta came in and interrupted the whole process. I am in no way suggesting that Western media is unbiased in calling you out for being a Russian interest shill. Only in a fantasy land does a single referendum solve the Crimea problem.
That's not the point. The point is that not having a referendum looks really, really bad and allows Russia to play the "we're here to de-escalate"-card.
On March 02 2014 02:17 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 01:59 zeo wrote:On March 02 2014 01:57 farvacola wrote:On March 02 2014 01:55 zeonmx wrote:On March 02 2014 01:54 zlefin wrote:
Russia sure likes posturing needlessly and causing trouble.
They could have just called for a referendum in Crimea, and probably won (especially with their covert efforts). That's precisely what Crimea has voted to do. They voted to have a democratic referendum. But the Kiev-Junta government have refused to honour the outcome. They tried to take part in the democratic process. The democratic process isn't democratic when an outside nation moves troops in with the intent of backing one side. Nice try though. The democratic process isn't democratic when an outside nation funds and supports ultra-nationalists taking down a democratically elected government. Is it still democratically elected when there was massive cheating going on when votes were counted?
Assuming you're talking about Yanukovych please don't spread completely unverifiable claims. Every single election monitoring agency that mattered in the West called the elections valid and there have been no issues raised directly after it came through. That includes the opposition leaders at that time. Source.
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