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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
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Twoflowers
Germany241 Posts
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zeonmx
United States111 Posts
On March 02 2014 03:13 Saryph wrote: The country that hosted the Olympics less than a week ago has invaded a neighboring country. I find the symbolism a little odd. Because they don't believe it's an invasion. They want to think of it as military intervention to protect Russian civilians from ongoing Ukraine conflicts. Contrived as is, this is probably what Russia is genuinely thinking about the whole situation. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On March 02 2014 03:13 Saryph wrote: The country that hosted the Olympics less than a week ago has invaded a neighboring country. I find the symbolism a little odd. True, Hitler at least waited almost a year. Contrived as is, this is probably what Russia is genuinely thinking about the whole situation. At least i'd say it's what's the media is trying to sell in russia. I think putin knows full well what he's doing and what it's called. | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
Aksyonov - the similar to Ukraines current government - partially unrecognised leader of Crimea, officially asked Russia for help several days ago. As I understand it, many of the people living in Crimea sees primarily russian TV and are therefore afraid for their lives of an invation by armed nazis and fascists. There has therefore been a real wish for getting peacekeepers involved. Some were unusually well-equipped militias and to some degrees russian troops have entered. Now, the extremely concerning part seems to be the resolution Russia has for protecting Ukraine and not specifically Crimea. Putin has the russian accept for basically invading Ukraine under the guise of a peace-keeping operation. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22552 Posts
On March 02 2014 03:20 zeonmx wrote: Because they don't believe it's an invasion. They want to think of it as military intervention to protect Russian civilians from ongoing Ukraine conflicts. Contrived as is, this is probably what Russia is genuinely thinking about the whole situation. Once again this isn't actually happening tho. nothing has been done towards the Russian minority since the fall of Yanokovich. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
Moving your military into a country without that countries permission is the definition of an invasion | ||
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
On March 02 2014 03:25 LongShot27 wrote: Moving your military into a country without that countries permission is the definition of an invasion its not that simple Yanukovich can be considered a legitimate President of Ukraine atm so if he asked for help... | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On March 02 2014 03:26 PaleMan wrote: its not that simple Yanukovich can be considered a legitimate President of Ukraine atm so if he asked for help... no, just no | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On March 02 2014 03:26 PaleMan wrote: its not that simple Yanukovich can be considered a legitimate President of Ukraine atm so if he asked for help... Cute what russians consider a legitimate president. | ||
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Twoflowers
Germany241 Posts
On March 02 2014 03:26 PaleMan wrote: its not that simple Yanukovich can be considered a legitimate President of Ukraine atm so if he asked for help... I thought he explicitly didn't request a russian military intervention? Also does the ukranian constitution grant the president this right witout consultation of the parliament? | ||
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
>Being installed at gunpoint by a bunch of guys who took over government buildings is not legitimate in any way whatsoever he was removed by a bunch of guys who took over government buildings so maybe it is proper way to install him back | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On March 02 2014 03:28 m4ini wrote: Cute what russians consider a legitimate president. The thing is, I don't even agree with the protesters or their so called "cause", but invading a country and calling it an intervention is the cliched starting point of the conquering dictator. | ||
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zeonmx
United States111 Posts
Umm, yes? He was democratically appointed president (who was corrupt as fuck, but still voted to be the president) who was overthrown by revolutionaries. Like it or not, he is still the legitimate president of Ukraine. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On March 02 2014 03:31 zeonmx wrote: Umm, yes? He was democratically appointed president who was overthrown by revolutionaries. Like it or not, he is still the legitimate president of Ukraine. You honestly believe any president anywhere was democratically elected? How much Kool-aid have you been drinking? | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On March 02 2014 03:29 PaleMan wrote: >Being installed at gunpoint by a bunch of guys who took over government buildings is not legitimate in any way whatsoever he was removed by a bunch of guys who took over government buildings so maybe it is proper way to install him back No thanks, let him stay in Russia, we don't need such president. | ||
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AA.spoon
Belgium331 Posts
On March 02 2014 03:26 PaleMan wrote: its not that simple Yanukovich can be considered a legitimate President of Ukraine atm so if he asked for help... Yanoukovich has been deposed by the parliament and is thus not a president anymore. Yanoukovich, during his press conference yesterday, has explicitely stated he didn't want military help. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On March 02 2014 03:32 LongShot27 wrote: You honestly believe any president anywhere was democratically elected? How much Kool-aid have you been drinking? huh? | ||
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zeonmx
United States111 Posts
On March 02 2014 03:32 LongShot27 wrote: You honestly believe any president anywhere was democratically elected? How much Kool-aid have you been drinking? Do you have a proof that says otherwise? Or is this another typical reactionary post I keep seeing today? | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
Elections are for show, governments choose who their leaders will be. Its been that way for thousands of years. | ||
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