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On March 02 2014 03:49 whiteLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 03:25 LongShot27 wrote:On March 02 2014 03:10 whiteLotus wrote:On March 02 2014 03:07 LongShot27 wrote:
Taking politics completely out of the situation. Why isn't the headline "Russia Invades The Ukraine"? cuz they havent invaded anything yet? Moving your military into a country without that countries permission is the definition of an invasion where are pictures,videos or any real reports on bbc,guardian, any other website of this "military" moving into ukraine ? all i see is that putin got a "yes" on moving them, but he hasnt done anything yet.
The news agency AP has identified several armed vehicles. They are in possession of the russian army.
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Yes, it's the main TV channel, but these videos are hard to forge and the channel lies mostly about internal politics.
Today 97 people were injured during clashes between maidan and anti-maidan in Kharkiv. Anti-maidan people managed to break maidan defences of captured buildings in Kharkiv and Donetsk: http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/253236
They wanted democratically elected authorities and not designated from illegal Kiev government.
There is a similar situation in Crimea.+ Show Spoiler +Sorry, I don't know how to link to specific time in this video. People do not obey illegal authority from Kiev: http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/253235 @ 3:20 They escorted him for several kilometres on the way to the airport whistling at him along the way.
Moving Russian forces to Crimea is not necessary even in interests of Putin as people managed to defend themselves. Lets hope he will change his decision.
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On March 02 2014 03:51 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 03:49 whiteLotus wrote:On March 02 2014 03:25 LongShot27 wrote:On March 02 2014 03:10 whiteLotus wrote:On March 02 2014 03:07 LongShot27 wrote:
Taking politics completely out of the situation. Why isn't the headline "Russia Invades The Ukraine"? cuz they havent invaded anything yet? Moving your military into a country without that countries permission is the definition of an invasion where are pictures,videos or any real reports on bbc,guardian, any other website of this "military" moving into ukraine ? all i see is that putin got a "yes" on moving them, but he hasnt done anything yet. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26400035Courtesy of the BBC
Hey this isn't a youtube video! According to the Russian majority in this thread this does not meet journalistic standards and thus does not count as evidence!
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On March 02 2014 03:54 Twoflowers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 03:49 whiteLotus wrote:On March 02 2014 03:25 LongShot27 wrote:On March 02 2014 03:10 whiteLotus wrote:On March 02 2014 03:07 LongShot27 wrote:
Taking politics completely out of the situation. Why isn't the headline "Russia Invades The Ukraine"? cuz they havent invaded anything yet? Moving your military into a country without that countries permission is the definition of an invasion where are pictures,videos or any real reports on bbc,guardian, any other website of this "military" moving into ukraine ? all i see is that putin got a "yes" on moving them, but he hasnt done anything yet. The news agency AP has identified several armed vehicles. They are in possession of the russian army.
People don't care, they'll just say the Ukrainian government said they were Russian. I'm glad I don't live in Europe, you people claim this amazing progressiveness and unity but deep down you hate everyone who's different just like always. At least some people are honest about their hate.
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On March 02 2014 03:55 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 03:51 LongShot27 wrote:On March 02 2014 03:49 whiteLotus wrote:On March 02 2014 03:25 LongShot27 wrote:On March 02 2014 03:10 whiteLotus wrote:On March 02 2014 03:07 LongShot27 wrote:
Taking politics completely out of the situation. Why isn't the headline "Russia Invades The Ukraine"? cuz they havent invaded anything yet? Moving your military into a country without that countries permission is the definition of an invasion where are pictures,videos or any real reports on bbc,guardian, any other website of this "military" moving into ukraine ? all i see is that putin got a "yes" on moving them, but he hasnt done anything yet. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26400035Courtesy of the BBC Hey this isn't a youtube video! According to the Russian majority in this thread this does not meet journalistic standards and thus does not count as evidence!
this is exactly what i've said, it says he got approval to move troops in, but doesnt say he did, nor does it show anywhere that there is russian troops moving into ukraine.
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On March 02 2014 03:39 kukarachaa wrote:
I am not 100% but haven't a lot of members of President's party left Kiev, so basically half of the Ukraine wasn't represented or was represented in a very limited capacity when those decisions were made?
Correct. To be more correct they were forced to leave Rada.
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On March 02 2014 03:54 AleXoundOS wrote:Yes, it's the main TV channel, but these videos are hard to forge and the channel lies mostly about internal politics. Today 97 people were injured during clashes between maidan and anti-maidan in Kharkiv. Anti-maidan people managed to break maidan defences of captured buildings in Kharkiv and Donetsk: http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/253236They wanted democratically elected authorities and not designated from illegal Kiev government. There is a similar situation in Crimea. + Show Spoiler +Sorry, I don't know how to link to specific time in this video. People do not obey illegal authority from Kiev: http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/253235 @ 3:20 They escorted him for several kilometres on the way to the airport whistling at him along the way. Moving Russian forces to Crimea is not necessary even in interests of Putin as people managed to defend themselves. Lets hope he will change his decision.
And earlier in this thread there were pictures of people bused in from Russia raising Russian flags over administrative buildings in Kharkov. A man from Moscow who raised a flag on the top of the building posted pictures on his vk.com page.
If Russians are coming into Ukraine and raising their country's flag over government buildings, how is someone supposed to interpret that?
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On March 02 2014 03:55 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 03:51 LongShot27 wrote:On March 02 2014 03:49 whiteLotus wrote:On March 02 2014 03:25 LongShot27 wrote:On March 02 2014 03:10 whiteLotus wrote:On March 02 2014 03:07 LongShot27 wrote:
Taking politics completely out of the situation. Why isn't the headline "Russia Invades The Ukraine"? cuz they havent invaded anything yet? Moving your military into a country without that countries permission is the definition of an invasion where are pictures,videos or any real reports on bbc,guardian, any other website of this "military" moving into ukraine ? all i see is that putin got a "yes" on moving them, but he hasnt done anything yet. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26400035Courtesy of the BBC Hey this isn't a youtube video! According to the Russian majority in this thread this does not meet journalistic standards and thus does not count as evidence!
During the upper house debate, one legislator accused US President Barack Obama of crossing "a red line" with his comments that there would be costs if Russia intervened militarily in Ukraine.
In America, red line is when you invade another country with tanks but in Russia its when you casual warn someone away from doing the same.
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The real lesson this crisis should teach countries is that if you have nuclear weapons do not ever give them up because promises means nothing and if you do not have nuclear weapons get them as fast as you can.
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On March 02 2014 04:08 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 03:54 AleXoundOS wrote:Yes, it's the main TV channel, but these videos are hard to forge and the channel lies mostly about internal politics. Today 97 people were injured during clashes between maidan and anti-maidan in Kharkiv. Anti-maidan people managed to break maidan defences of captured buildings in Kharkiv and Donetsk: http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/253236They wanted democratically elected authorities and not designated from illegal Kiev government. There is a similar situation in Crimea. + Show Spoiler +Sorry, I don't know how to link to specific time in this video. People do not obey illegal authority from Kiev: http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/253235 @ 3:20 They escorted him for several kilometres on the way to the airport whistling at him along the way. Moving Russian forces to Crimea is not necessary even in interests of Putin as people managed to defend themselves. Lets hope he will change his decision. And earlier in this thread there were pictures of people bused in from Russia raising Russian flags over administrative buildings in Kharkov. A man from Moscow who raised a flag on the top of the building posted pictures on his vk.com page. If Russians are coming into Ukraine and raising their country's flag over government buildings, how is someone supposed to interpret that?
That man with flag did wrong thing...
But so many Russians came to Ukraine? :O That's a solid force then, call them to Kiev and they will establish their own Maidan there.
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On March 02 2014 04:08 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 03:54 AleXoundOS wrote:Yes, it's the main TV channel, but these videos are hard to forge and the channel lies mostly about internal politics. Today 97 people were injured during clashes between maidan and anti-maidan in Kharkiv. Anti-maidan people managed to break maidan defences of captured buildings in Kharkiv and Donetsk: http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/253236They wanted democratically elected authorities and not designated from illegal Kiev government. There is a similar situation in Crimea. + Show Spoiler +Sorry, I don't know how to link to specific time in this video. People do not obey illegal authority from Kiev: http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/253235 @ 3:20 They escorted him for several kilometres on the way to the airport whistling at him along the way. Moving Russian forces to Crimea is not necessary even in interests of Putin as people managed to defend themselves. Lets hope he will change his decision. And earlier in this thread there were pictures of people bused in from Russia raising Russian flags over administrative buildings in Kharkov. A man from Moscow who raised a flag on the top of the building posted pictures on his vk.com page. If Russians are coming into Ukraine and raising their country's flag over government buildings, how is someone supposed to interpret that?
I guess substantial % of locals are ok with it. Otherwise, they would have stopped such act unless that guy from Moscow was heavily armed or something.
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On March 02 2014 04:16 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
The real lesson this crisis should teach countries is that if you have nuclear weapons do not ever give them up because promises means nothing and if you do not have nuclear weapons get them as fast as you can.
Why do you think Iran is trying to get nukes ^^
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On March 02 2014 04:16 Orek wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 04:08 Saryph wrote:On March 02 2014 03:54 AleXoundOS wrote:Yes, it's the main TV channel, but these videos are hard to forge and the channel lies mostly about internal politics. Today 97 people were injured during clashes between maidan and anti-maidan in Kharkiv. Anti-maidan people managed to break maidan defences of captured buildings in Kharkiv and Donetsk: http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/253236They wanted democratically elected authorities and not designated from illegal Kiev government. There is a similar situation in Crimea. + Show Spoiler +Sorry, I don't know how to link to specific time in this video. People do not obey illegal authority from Kiev: http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/253235 @ 3:20 They escorted him for several kilometres on the way to the airport whistling at him along the way. Moving Russian forces to Crimea is not necessary even in interests of Putin as people managed to defend themselves. Lets hope he will change his decision. And earlier in this thread there were pictures of people bused in from Russia raising Russian flags over administrative buildings in Kharkov. A man from Moscow who raised a flag on the top of the building posted pictures on his vk.com page. If Russians are coming into Ukraine and raising their country's flag over government buildings, how is someone supposed to interpret that? I guess substantial % of locals are ok with it. Otherwise, they would have stopped such act unless that guy from Moscow was heavily armed or something.
Well they didn't bus in just one guy. And most of the people who were opposed to Russian flags being raised over Ukrainian government buildings were beaten bloody, as shown in pictures earlier in this thread.
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On March 02 2014 04:08 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 03:54 AleXoundOS wrote:Yes, it's the main TV channel, but these videos are hard to forge and the channel lies mostly about internal politics. Today 97 people were injured during clashes between maidan and anti-maidan in Kharkiv. Anti-maidan people managed to break maidan defences of captured buildings in Kharkiv and Donetsk: http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/253236They wanted democratically elected authorities and not designated from illegal Kiev government. There is a similar situation in Crimea. + Show Spoiler +Sorry, I don't know how to link to specific time in this video. People do not obey illegal authority from Kiev: http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/253235 @ 3:20 They escorted him for several kilometres on the way to the airport whistling at him along the way. Moving Russian forces to Crimea is not necessary even in interests of Putin as people managed to defend themselves. Lets hope he will change his decision. And earlier in this thread there were pictures of people bused in from Russia raising Russian flags over administrative buildings in Kharkov. A man from Moscow who raised a flag on the top of the building posted pictures on his vk.com page. If Russians are coming into Ukraine and raising their country's flag over government buildings, how is someone supposed to interpret that?
Actually german members of Die Partei (a party spawned by the satire magazine Titanic) once "invaded" Liechtenstein, paraded in the capital, distributed flyers and demanded the end of the monarchy. Not exactly as serious as the current situation, but you can't consider the actions of civilians a military invasion.
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I guess Putin really wants Western Ukraine to join NATO as soon as possible. I feel bad for all those Eastern Ukrainians though, joining the ruble makes their industries even more worthless, going to be a lot more white laborers on Moscow's construction sites though.
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On March 02 2014 04:17 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 04:16 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
The real lesson this crisis should teach countries is that if you have nuclear weapons do not ever give them up because promises means nothing and if you do not have nuclear weapons get them as fast as you can. Why do you think Iran is trying to get nukes ^^
They know whats up for sure. 100 % sure Iran would be better off with nukes. If Ukraine had them we probably wouldnt be in this position in the first place because the west wouldnt want to support regime change without elections and Russia wouldnt interfere. In fact there would probably be cooperation to stabilize the situation. Look a North Korea, China and the US have a joint intrest of keeping things under control.
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On March 02 2014 04:19 Twoflowers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 04:08 Saryph wrote:On March 02 2014 03:54 AleXoundOS wrote:Yes, it's the main TV channel, but these videos are hard to forge and the channel lies mostly about internal politics. Today 97 people were injured during clashes between maidan and anti-maidan in Kharkiv. Anti-maidan people managed to break maidan defences of captured buildings in Kharkiv and Donetsk: http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/253236They wanted democratically elected authorities and not designated from illegal Kiev government. There is a similar situation in Crimea. + Show Spoiler +Sorry, I don't know how to link to specific time in this video. People do not obey illegal authority from Kiev: http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/253235 @ 3:20 They escorted him for several kilometres on the way to the airport whistling at him along the way. Moving Russian forces to Crimea is not necessary even in interests of Putin as people managed to defend themselves. Lets hope he will change his decision. And earlier in this thread there were pictures of people bused in from Russia raising Russian flags over administrative buildings in Kharkov. A man from Moscow who raised a flag on the top of the building posted pictures on his vk.com page. If Russians are coming into Ukraine and raising their country's flag over government buildings, how is someone supposed to interpret that? Actually german members of Die Partei (a party spawned by the satire magazine Titanic) once "invaded" Liechtenstein, paraded in the capital, distributed flyers and demanded the end of the monarchy. Not exactly as serious as the current situation, but you can't consider the actions of civilians a military invasion.
Well I thought the Russians already had the military invasion handled pretty well. I was trying to point out that all of the pro-Russian activity going on lately isn't necessarily homegrown.
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On March 02 2014 04:19 Twoflowers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 04:08 Saryph wrote:On March 02 2014 03:54 AleXoundOS wrote:Yes, it's the main TV channel, but these videos are hard to forge and the channel lies mostly about internal politics. Today 97 people were injured during clashes between maidan and anti-maidan in Kharkiv. Anti-maidan people managed to break maidan defences of captured buildings in Kharkiv and Donetsk: http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/253236They wanted democratically elected authorities and not designated from illegal Kiev government. There is a similar situation in Crimea. + Show Spoiler +Sorry, I don't know how to link to specific time in this video. People do not obey illegal authority from Kiev: http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/253235 @ 3:20 They escorted him for several kilometres on the way to the airport whistling at him along the way. Moving Russian forces to Crimea is not necessary even in interests of Putin as people managed to defend themselves. Lets hope he will change his decision. And earlier in this thread there were pictures of people bused in from Russia raising Russian flags over administrative buildings in Kharkov. A man from Moscow who raised a flag on the top of the building posted pictures on his vk.com page. If Russians are coming into Ukraine and raising their country's flag over government buildings, how is someone supposed to interpret that? Actually german members of Die Partei (a party spawned by the satire magazine Titanic) once "invaded" Liechtenstein, paraded in the capital, distributed flyers and demanded the end of the monarchy. Not exactly as serious as the current situation, but you can't consider the actions of civilians a military invasion.
As far as I'm concerned Liechtenstein is a German protectorate now (with certain priviledges concerning the tribute payments until the paperwork is done).
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