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PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
March 01 2014 18:36 GMT
#2201
On March 02 2014 03:32 AA.spoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 03:26 PaleMan wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:25 LongShot27 wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:10 whiteLotus wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:07 LongShot27 wrote:
Taking politics completely out of the situation. Why isn't the headline "Russia Invades The Ukraine"?


cuz they havent invaded anything yet?

Moving your military into a country without that countries permission is the definition of an invasion


its not that simple

Yanukovich can be considered a legitimate President of Ukraine atm
so if he asked for help...


Yanoukovich has been deposed by the parliament and is thus not a president anymore.



it looke something like this

Pure fan
kukarachaa
Profile Joined February 2011
United States284 Posts
March 01 2014 18:39 GMT
#2202
On March 02 2014 03:32 AA.spoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 03:26 PaleMan wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:25 LongShot27 wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:10 whiteLotus wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:07 LongShot27 wrote:
Taking politics completely out of the situation. Why isn't the headline "Russia Invades The Ukraine"?


cuz they havent invaded anything yet?

Moving your military into a country without that countries permission is the definition of an invasion


its not that simple

Yanukovich can be considered a legitimate President of Ukraine atm
so if he asked for help...


Yanoukovich has been deposed by the parliament and is thus not a president anymore.
Yanoukovich, during his press conference yesterday, has explicitely stated he didn't want military help.


I am not 100% but haven't a lot of members of President's party left Kiev, so basically half of the Ukraine wasn't represented or was represented in a very limited capacity when those decisions were made?
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 01 2014 18:39 GMT
#2203
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
March 01 2014 18:39 GMT
#2204
On March 02 2014 03:36 PaleMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 03:32 AA.spoon wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:26 PaleMan wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:25 LongShot27 wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:10 whiteLotus wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:07 LongShot27 wrote:
Taking politics completely out of the situation. Why isn't the headline "Russia Invades The Ukraine"?


cuz they havent invaded anything yet?

Moving your military into a country without that countries permission is the definition of an invasion


its not that simple

Yanukovich can be considered a legitimate President of Ukraine atm
so if he asked for help...


Yanoukovich has been deposed by the parliament and is thus not a president anymore.



it looke something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOdnE_5-hUA


Paleman, if you consider Yanukovich the president of Ukraine, what is your opinion on his speech yesterday on Russian television specifically saying he didn't want Russian troops in his country?
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6298 Posts
March 01 2014 18:42 GMT
#2205
On March 02 2014 03:39 Saryph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 03:36 PaleMan wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:32 AA.spoon wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:26 PaleMan wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:25 LongShot27 wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:10 whiteLotus wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:07 LongShot27 wrote:
Taking politics completely out of the situation. Why isn't the headline "Russia Invades The Ukraine"?


cuz they havent invaded anything yet?

Moving your military into a country without that countries permission is the definition of an invasion


its not that simple

Yanukovich can be considered a legitimate President of Ukraine atm
so if he asked for help...


Yanoukovich has been deposed by the parliament and is thus not a president anymore.



it looke something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOdnE_5-hUA


Paleman, if you consider Yanukovich the president of Ukraine, what is your opinion on his speech yesterday on Russian television specifically saying he didn't want Russian troops in his country?

He told Russia to act and to protect Ukraine.
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
March 01 2014 18:43 GMT
#2206
On March 02 2014 03:39 Saryph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 03:36 PaleMan wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:32 AA.spoon wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:26 PaleMan wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:25 LongShot27 wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:10 whiteLotus wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:07 LongShot27 wrote:
Taking politics completely out of the situation. Why isn't the headline "Russia Invades The Ukraine"?


cuz they havent invaded anything yet?

Moving your military into a country without that countries permission is the definition of an invasion


its not that simple

Yanukovich can be considered a legitimate President of Ukraine atm
so if he asked for help...


Yanoukovich has been deposed by the parliament and is thus not a president anymore.



it looke something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOdnE_5-hUA


Paleman, if you consider Yanukovich the president of Ukraine, what is your opinion on his speech yesterday on Russian television specifically saying he didn't want Russian troops in his country?


i was watching it live and he said he is surprised Russia isn't acting yet
Pure fan
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-01 18:44:40
March 01 2014 18:44 GMT
#2207
What we're all missing here is that this isn't a fight over nationalism or sovereignty or freedom. Russia wants to maintain control of the base of operations for its Black Sea's Fleet. The Crimea region is essentially the largest production center of the Ukraine, it has factories and ports that other parts of the country doesn't have. Whichever of the two of them controls it will have a massive economic boost.
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
March 01 2014 18:45 GMT
#2208
On March 02 2014 03:44 LongShot27 wrote:
What we're all missing here is that this isn't a fight over nationalism or sovereignty or freedom. Russia wants to maintain control of the base of operations for its Black Sea's Fleet. The Crimea region is essentially the largest production center of the Ukraine, it has factories and ports that other parts of the country doesn't have. Whichever of the two of them controls it will have a massive economic boost.


right you are
Pure fan
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
March 01 2014 18:47 GMT
#2209
On March 02 2014 03:34 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 03:33 nunez wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:32 LongShot27 wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:31 zeonmx wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:27 LongShot27 wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:26 PaleMan wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:25 LongShot27 wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:10 whiteLotus wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:07 LongShot27 wrote:
Taking politics completely out of the situation. Why isn't the headline "Russia Invades The Ukraine"?


cuz they havent invaded anything yet?

Moving your military into a country without that countries permission is the definition of an invasion


its not that simple

Yanukovich can be considered a legitimate President of Ukraine atm
so if he asked for help...

no, just no

Umm, yes? He was democratically appointed president who was overthrown by revolutionaries. Like it or not, he is still the legitimate president of Ukraine.


You honestly believe any president anywhere was democratically elected? How much Kool-aid have you been drinking?

huh?


Elections are for show, governments choose who their leaders will be. Its been that way for thousands of years.

oh ok.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17302 Posts
March 01 2014 18:47 GMT
#2210
On March 02 2014 01:39 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 01:35 zeonmx wrote:
The U.N. Security Council will hold an urgent meeting on the crisis in Ukraine on Saturday after Russia announced plans to send armed forces into the autonomous Crimea region of the former Soviet republic.
A diplomat from Luxembourg, president of the 15-nation council this month, said the meeting would take place at 2:00 p.m. EST (1900 GMT) and was being convened at the request of Britain.

Reuters

LOL. The UK called the meeting -- not the US. Obama is such a joke.


He got a Nobel Peace Prize, he has to show he deserves it
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-01 18:49:14
March 01 2014 18:47 GMT
#2211
On March 02 2014 03:44 LongShot27 wrote:
What we're all missing here is that this isn't a fight over nationalism or sovereignty or freedom. Russia wants to maintain control of the base of operations for its Black Sea's Fleet. The Crimea region is essentially the largest production center of the Ukraine, it has factories and ports that other parts of the country doesn't have. Whichever of the two of them controls it will have a massive economic boost.


Wat? Ports - yes, but they don't have factrories of heavy industry, Crimea is the largest touristic center in Ukraine in summer. Moreover, Crimea even doesn't have it's own source of fresh water... Almost all the industry on East.

For example Crimea in winter needs a lot of dotations...
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 01 2014 18:48 GMT
#2212
On March 02 2014 03:44 LongShot27 wrote:
What we're all missing here is that this isn't a fight over nationalism or sovereignty or freedom. Russia wants to maintain control of the base of operations for its Black Sea's Fleet. The Crimea region is essentially the largest production center of the Ukraine, it has factories and ports that other parts of the country doesn't have. Whichever of the two of them controls it will have a massive economic boost.


I do think it's about the new sovi.. Eurasian Union. Russia was betting and counting on the Ukraine joining. Russia would benefit greatly (solely, ask Kasachstan) from that.
On track to MA1950A.
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-01 18:49:26
March 01 2014 18:49 GMT
#2213
On March 02 2014 03:47 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 03:44 LongShot27 wrote:
What we're all missing here is that this isn't a fight over nationalism or sovereignty or freedom. Russia wants to maintain control of the base of operations for its Black Sea's Fleet. The Crimea region is essentially the largest production center of the Ukraine, it has factories and ports that other parts of the country doesn't have. Whichever of the two of them controls it will have a massive economic boost.


Wat? Ports - yes, but they don't have factrories of heavy industry, Crimea is the largest touristic center in Ukraine in summer. Moreover, Crimea even doesn't have it's own source of fresh water... Almost all the industry on East.


food production, chemical fields, mechanical engineering and metal working, and fuel production industries

Primarily food production

If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
AA.spoon
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium331 Posts
March 01 2014 18:49 GMT
#2214
On March 02 2014 03:42 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 03:39 Saryph wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:36 PaleMan wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:32 AA.spoon wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:26 PaleMan wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:25 LongShot27 wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:10 whiteLotus wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:07 LongShot27 wrote:
Taking politics completely out of the situation. Why isn't the headline "Russia Invades The Ukraine"?


cuz they havent invaded anything yet?

Moving your military into a country without that countries permission is the definition of an invasion


its not that simple

Yanukovich can be considered a legitimate President of Ukraine atm
so if he asked for help...


Yanoukovich has been deposed by the parliament and is thus not a president anymore.



it looke something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOdnE_5-hUA


Paleman, if you consider Yanukovich the president of Ukraine, what is your opinion on his speech yesterday on Russian television specifically saying he didn't want Russian troops in his country?

He told Russia to act and to protect Ukraine.


He said he was surprised Russia didn't act and then explicitely said he didn't want military intervention. You are just a warmonger.
whiteLotus
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
1833 Posts
March 01 2014 18:49 GMT
#2215
On March 02 2014 03:25 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 03:10 whiteLotus wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:07 LongShot27 wrote:
Taking politics completely out of the situation. Why isn't the headline "Russia Invades The Ukraine"?


cuz they havent invaded anything yet?

Moving your military into a country without that countries permission is the definition of an invasion



where are pictures,videos or any real reports on bbc,guardian, any other website of this "military" moving into ukraine ? all i see is that putin got a "yes" on moving them, but he hasnt done anything yet.
The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
March 01 2014 18:50 GMT
#2216
On March 02 2014 03:49 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 03:47 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:44 LongShot27 wrote:
What we're all missing here is that this isn't a fight over nationalism or sovereignty or freedom. Russia wants to maintain control of the base of operations for its Black Sea's Fleet. The Crimea region is essentially the largest production center of the Ukraine, it has factories and ports that other parts of the country doesn't have. Whichever of the two of them controls it will have a massive economic boost.


Wat? Ports - yes, but they don't have factrories of heavy industry, Crimea is the largest touristic center in Ukraine in summer. Moreover, Crimea even doesn't have it's own source of fresh water... Almost all the industry on East.


food production, chemical fields, mechanical engineering and metal working, and fuel production industries

Primarily food production



They don't have any sources of fuel by itselft, they don't have large chemical or food production, as I already told ya, they DON'T even have their own source of FRESH WATER.
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
March 01 2014 18:51 GMT
#2217
On March 02 2014 03:49 whiteLotus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 03:25 LongShot27 wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:10 whiteLotus wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:07 LongShot27 wrote:
Taking politics completely out of the situation. Why isn't the headline "Russia Invades The Ukraine"?


cuz they havent invaded anything yet?

Moving your military into a country without that countries permission is the definition of an invasion



where are pictures,videos or any real reports on bbc,guardian, any other website of this "military" moving into ukraine ? all i see is that putin got a "yes" on moving them, but he hasnt done anything yet.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26400035

Courtesy of the BBC
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
kukarachaa
Profile Joined February 2011
United States284 Posts
March 01 2014 18:53 GMT
#2218
On March 02 2014 03:44 LongShot27 wrote:
What we're all missing here is that this isn't a fight over nationalism or sovereignty or freedom. Russia wants to maintain control of the base of operations for its Black Sea's Fleet. The Crimea region is essentially the largest production center of the Ukraine, it has factories and ports that other parts of the country doesn't have. Whichever of the two of them controls it will have a massive economic boost.


I don't think Ukraine government should worry about Crimea ( it is all but gone ), they made many silly mistakes when they came to power antagonizing Russian - Ukrainians. Their problems are much bigger than that, right now there are protests all over Eastern Ukraine, people taking down Ukrainian flags putting Russian flags up. Western Ukraine cannot survive without the East alone, all the factories, all the production, most the economy is in the East. If they can't control it, they won't stay in power.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21735 Posts
March 01 2014 18:53 GMT
#2219
On March 02 2014 03:51 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 03:49 whiteLotus wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:25 LongShot27 wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:10 whiteLotus wrote:
On March 02 2014 03:07 LongShot27 wrote:
Taking politics completely out of the situation. Why isn't the headline "Russia Invades The Ukraine"?


cuz they havent invaded anything yet?

Moving your military into a country without that countries permission is the definition of an invasion



where are pictures,videos or any real reports on bbc,guardian, any other website of this "military" moving into ukraine ? all i see is that putin got a "yes" on moving them, but he hasnt done anything yet.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26400035

Courtesy of the BBC


Ukrainian Defence Minister Ihor Tenyukh said on Saturday there are now an extra 6,000 Russian troops in Crimea, alongside an additional 30 armoured vehicles.

Nothing else in that piece actually mentions armies crossing into the Ukraine.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
AleXoundOS
Profile Joined January 2011
Georgia457 Posts
March 01 2014 18:53 GMT
#2220
On March 02 2014 03:32 AA.spoon wrote:
Yanoukovich has been deposed by the parliament and is thus not a president anymore.
He is president by Ukrainian laws. There was no legit procedure of impeachment. But who cares if new acting "president" has support from EU. But theoretically parliament could try to do this even officially, their fault though if being at their side.
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