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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 01 2014 19:29 GMT
#2241
Russian leaders continue to say reasonable and totally stable things:
Yuri Vorobyov, Ms Matviyenko's deputy, said during a debate broadcast live by Russian state TV that US President Obama had "crossed a red line" and "insulted" the people of Russia. "I think it is necessary to demand that the Russian president recall the Russian ambassador from the United States of America," he said.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17609 Posts
March 01 2014 19:38 GMT
#2242
If things go bad, we can always take Lviv back if they want it.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 01 2014 19:40 GMT
#2243
On March 02 2014 04:29 Sub40APM wrote:
Russian leaders continue to say reasonable and totally stable things:
Show nested quote +
Yuri Vorobyov, Ms Matviyenko's deputy, said during a debate broadcast live by Russian state TV that US President Obama had "crossed a red line" and "insulted" the people of Russia. "I think it is necessary to demand that the Russian president recall the Russian ambassador from the United States of America," he said.

It is good to see the Russians reaffirming all of the negative stereotypes about them.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
March 01 2014 19:42 GMT
#2244
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/01/uk-ukraine-idUKBREA1H0EM20140301

Theres plenty more floating around reputable news sites (though pro-russian mouthpieces might argue that they are all western biased sources and only their RT and photoshopped pictures and out of date you tube videos can be trusted).

When well coordinated soldiers, speaking Russian have full military control over the majority of Crimea, I don't know why certain people are denying that there are substantial amounts of Russian troops moving into Ukraine.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 01 2014 19:44 GMT
#2245
On March 02 2014 04:40 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 04:29 Sub40APM wrote:
Russian leaders continue to say reasonable and totally stable things:
Yuri Vorobyov, Ms Matviyenko's deputy, said during a debate broadcast live by Russian state TV that US President Obama had "crossed a red line" and "insulted" the people of Russia. "I think it is necessary to demand that the Russian president recall the Russian ambassador from the United States of America," he said.

It is good to see the Russians reaffirming all of the negative stereotypes about them.

It does say something about the quality of legislators that zeo the Photoshop king is the moderatesounding Russian and he isnt even a Russian, just a loyal serb friend.
AleXoundOS
Profile Joined January 2011
Georgia458 Posts
March 01 2014 19:45 GMT
#2246
On March 02 2014 04:25 Saryph wrote:
Well I thought the Russians already had the military invasion handled pretty well. I was trying to point out that all of the pro-Russian activity going on lately isn't necessarily homegrown.

You still think that thousands of people came to Ukraine, and Donetsk, Kharkiv, Odessa, Crimea areas support illegal authorities from Kiev?
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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 01 2014 19:47 GMT
#2247
On March 02 2014 04:45 AleXoundOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 04:25 Saryph wrote:
Well I thought the Russians already had the military invasion handled pretty well. I was trying to point out that all of the pro-Russian activity going on lately isn't necessarily homegrown.

You still think that thousands of people came to Ukraine, and Donetsk, Kharkiv, Odessa, Crimea areas support illegal authorities from Kiev?
Oh no, that the clashes broke out only after the Olympics and Putin no longer had to pretend to be a nice guy is just pure coincidence, as is the escalation of violence after Russian rubber stamp parliament passed an authorization of invasion. Just many many coincidences.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6334 Posts
March 01 2014 19:50 GMT
#2248
On March 02 2014 04:38 Manit0u wrote:
If things go bad, we can always take Lviv back if they want it.

Implying this wasn't the Polish plan all along:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 01 2014 19:52 GMT
#2249
On March 02 2014 04:50 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 04:38 Manit0u wrote:
If things go bad, we can always take Lviv back if they want it.

Implying this wasn't the Polish plan all along:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

I applaud you zeo, your ingenious spin is so much more creative than what our russian bros are capable. I really hope that position as information minister is open to you.
kukarachaa
Profile Joined February 2011
United States284 Posts
March 01 2014 19:54 GMT
#2250
On March 02 2014 04:47 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 04:45 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 02 2014 04:25 Saryph wrote:
Well I thought the Russians already had the military invasion handled pretty well. I was trying to point out that all of the pro-Russian activity going on lately isn't necessarily homegrown.

You still think that thousands of people came to Ukraine, and Donetsk, Kharkiv, Odessa, Crimea areas support illegal authorities from Kiev?
Oh no, that the clashes broke out only after the Olympics and Putin no longer had to pretend to be a nice guy is just pure coincidence, as is the escalation of violence after Russian rubber stamp parliament passed an authorization of invasion. Just many many coincidences.


Those clashes broke prior to that..., when Rada passed language reforms. That was the whole reason PM didn't sign it.
AleXoundOS
Profile Joined January 2011
Georgia458 Posts
March 01 2014 19:58 GMT
#2251
On March 02 2014 04:47 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 04:45 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 02 2014 04:25 Saryph wrote:
Well I thought the Russians already had the military invasion handled pretty well. I was trying to point out that all of the pro-Russian activity going on lately isn't necessarily homegrown.

You still think that thousands of people came to Ukraine, and Donetsk, Kharkiv, Odessa, Crimea areas support illegal authorities from Kiev?
Oh no, that the clashes broke out only after the Olympics and Putin no longer had to pretend to be a nice guy is just pure coincidence, as is the escalation of violence after Russian rubber stamp parliament passed an authorization of invasion. Just many many coincidences.

Lol, you think I support Putin or what? And there is no violence you mentioned by military forces yet.

You didn't answer the question though. It's important because if you agree that the mentioned areas do not support the current situation in Kiev, many talks related to military intervention will be related to Putin only and not Russians.
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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 01 2014 20:00 GMT
#2252
On March 02 2014 04:58 AleXoundOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 04:47 Sub40APM wrote:
On March 02 2014 04:45 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 02 2014 04:25 Saryph wrote:
Well I thought the Russians already had the military invasion handled pretty well. I was trying to point out that all of the pro-Russian activity going on lately isn't necessarily homegrown.

You still think that thousands of people came to Ukraine, and Donetsk, Kharkiv, Odessa, Crimea areas support illegal authorities from Kiev?
Oh no, that the clashes broke out only after the Olympics and Putin no longer had to pretend to be a nice guy is just pure coincidence, as is the escalation of violence after Russian rubber stamp parliament passed an authorization of invasion. Just many many coincidences.

Lol, you think I support Putin or what? And there is no violence you mentioned by military forces yet.

You didn't answer the question though. It's important because if you agree that the mentioned areas do not support the current situation in Kiev, many talks related to military intervention will be related to Putin only and not Russians.

Oh no. You are a wholly independent thinking man who really hates Putin yet also maintains the party line because...fascists are everywhere.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
March 01 2014 20:04 GMT
#2253
On March 02 2014 04:50 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 04:38 Manit0u wrote:
If things go bad, we can always take Lviv back if they want it.

Implying this wasn't the Polish plan all along:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Typical Zeo. Image. No link. No context. (I don't read Polish but, it looks like a harmless and private facebook joke to me.)

But yeah Zeo, this is all a western conspiracy to divide up Ukraine as a Polish controlled colony!
Next you'll say, "but USA!"

What is up with these pro russian mouthpeices? They are giving other Russians a really bad name.
So far we've had a deluge of multiple videos dated a year before Euromaiden, as "proof" of "fascist groups", whilst a video dated yesterday with ukrainian speakers in it is "unreliable".

Oh and a totally accurately delineated map, albeit with Slovakia wrongly labelled Czechoslovakia, and in any case a very common mistake, is evidence of cold war mentality among western conspirators, never mind that Slovakia was seperated after the breakup of Yogoslavia and they were delineated correctly labelled. So it's obviously a hurried put together news (source unknown, probably zeo again) to reflect military or political view point or whatever (lack of contect, probably zeo again.)

Or the Go0g3n fellow, who denouced an image as fake and a simulation when in fact it was not, and then posted a link that directly contradicted him in an attempt to bluff his deceit.

Is there really no rules against repeatedly posting false images and passing them off as real photos, or outright lying?
AleXoundOS
Profile Joined January 2011
Georgia458 Posts
March 01 2014 20:09 GMT
#2254
On March 02 2014 05:00 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 04:58 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 02 2014 04:47 Sub40APM wrote:
On March 02 2014 04:45 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 02 2014 04:25 Saryph wrote:
Well I thought the Russians already had the military invasion handled pretty well. I was trying to point out that all of the pro-Russian activity going on lately isn't necessarily homegrown.

You still think that thousands of people came to Ukraine, and Donetsk, Kharkiv, Odessa, Crimea areas support illegal authorities from Kiev?
Oh no, that the clashes broke out only after the Olympics and Putin no longer had to pretend to be a nice guy is just pure coincidence, as is the escalation of violence after Russian rubber stamp parliament passed an authorization of invasion. Just many many coincidences.

Lol, you think I support Putin or what? And there is no violence you mentioned by military forces yet.

You didn't answer the question though. It's important because if you agree that the mentioned areas do not support the current situation in Kiev, many talks related to military intervention will be related to Putin only and not Russians.

Oh no. You are a wholly independent thinking man who really hates Putin yet also maintains the party line because...fascists are everywhere.

very constructive talk, still no answer to the question and now blaming me at supporting party that I hate more than Putin
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6334 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-01 20:20:00
March 01 2014 20:16 GMT
#2255
On March 02 2014 05:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 04:50 zeo wrote:
On March 02 2014 04:38 Manit0u wrote:
If things go bad, we can always take Lviv back if they want it.

Implying this wasn't the Polish plan all along:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Typical Zeo. Image. No link. No context. (I don't read Polish but, it looks like a harmless and private facebook joke to me.)

But yeah Zeo, this is all a western conspiracy to divide up Ukraine as a Polish controlled colony!
Next you'll say, "but USA!"

What is up with these pro russian mouthpeices? They are giving other Russians a really bad name.
So far we've had a deluge of multiple videos dated a year before Euromaiden, as "proof" of "fascist groups", whilst a video dated yesterday with ukrainian speakers in it is "unreliable".

Oh and a totally accurately delineated map, albeit with Slovakia wrongly labelled Czechoslovakia, and in any case a very common mistake, is evidence of cold war mentality among western conspirators, never mind that Slovakia was seperated after the breakup of Yogoslavia and they were delineated correctly labelled. So it's obviously a hurried put together news (source unknown, probably zeo again) to reflect military or political view point or whatever (lack of contect, probably zeo again.)

Or the Go0g3n fellow, who denouced an image as fake and a simulation when in fact it was not, and then posted a link that directly contradicted him in an attempt to bluff his deceit.

Is there really no rules against repeatedly posting false images and passing them off as real photos, or outright lying?

Calm down, the Poland image was meant a joke, as was the Czechoslovakia one. Get off your high horse, everything you just said has absolutely no substance and proves nothing, except of course that the personal attacks against me are getting sadder and sadder
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
AleXoundOS
Profile Joined January 2011
Georgia458 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-01 20:20:56
March 01 2014 20:20 GMT
#2256
On March 02 2014 04:52 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 04:50 zeo wrote:
On March 02 2014 04:38 Manit0u wrote:
If things go bad, we can always take Lviv back if they want it.

Implying this wasn't the Polish plan all along:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

I applaud you zeo, your ingenious spin is so much more creative than what our russian bros are capable. I really hope that position as information minister is open to you.

It's a just a discussion in Polish social networks about division of Ukraine. It doesn't need a prove-link or something as this painted image is not an official statement. Where blue part is Hungary, red - Poland, pink - Romania, black - Russia, white is a Polish colony. It's creativity of some social network and not users here.
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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 01 2014 20:26 GMT
#2257
Latvia+Lithuania have invoked NATO art. 4 in response to #crimea NATO now obliged to hold emerg council meeting. Only 4th time in history

Least surprising move ever. Surprised Estonian bros didnt get on in this but since they are the ones who are directly touching Russian territory I guess they want to be to aggresive.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9268 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-01 20:28:14
March 01 2014 20:28 GMT
#2258
Lviv/Lwów related sentiment is still very popular in Poland but we mostly talk about it in humorous context. It was clearly a joke and you guys shouldn't take it too seriously.
You're now breathing manually
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 01 2014 20:29 GMT
#2259
Congratulations Russian bros and zeo, you have made Sarah Palin seem like a genius:
Sarah Palin feels vindicated as she posts on Facebook.

Yes, I could see this one from Alaska. I’m usually not one to Told-Ya-So, but I did, despite my accurate prediction being derided as “an extremely far-fetched scenario” by the “high-brow” Foreign Policy magazine. Here’s what this “stupid” “insipid woman” predicted back in 2008: “After the Russian Army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama’s reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia’s Putin to invade Ukraine next.”
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9268 Posts
March 01 2014 20:31 GMT
#2260
Sarah Palin for president!
You're now breathing manually
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