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CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2646 Posts
March 01 2014 20:32 GMT
#2261
On March 02 2014 05:29 Sub40APM wrote:
Congratulations Russian bros and zeo, you have made Sarah Palin seem like a genius:
Show nested quote +
Sarah Palin feels vindicated as she posts on Facebook.

Yes, I could see this one from Alaska. I’m usually not one to Told-Ya-So, but I did, despite my accurate prediction being derided as “an extremely far-fetched scenario” by the “high-brow” Foreign Policy magazine. Here’s what this “stupid” “insipid woman” predicted back in 2008: “After the Russian Army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama’s reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia’s Putin to invade Ukraine next.”


If this gets Palin elected we are all doomed.
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
March 01 2014 20:33 GMT
#2262
On March 02 2014 05:16 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 05:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On March 02 2014 04:50 zeo wrote:
On March 02 2014 04:38 Manit0u wrote:
If things go bad, we can always take Lviv back if they want it.

Implying this wasn't the Polish plan all along:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Typical Zeo. Image. No link. No context. (I don't read Polish but, it looks like a harmless and private facebook joke to me.)

But yeah Zeo, this is all a western conspiracy to divide up Ukraine as a Polish controlled colony!
Next you'll say, "but USA!"

What is up with these pro russian mouthpeices? They are giving other Russians a really bad name.
So far we've had a deluge of multiple videos dated a year before Euromaiden, as "proof" of "fascist groups", whilst a video dated yesterday with ukrainian speakers in it is "unreliable".

Oh and a totally accurately delineated map, albeit with Slovakia wrongly labelled Czechoslovakia, and in any case a very common mistake, is evidence of cold war mentality among western conspirators, never mind that Slovakia was seperated after the breakup of Yogoslavia and they were delineated correctly labelled. So it's obviously a hurried put together news (source unknown, probably zeo again) to reflect military or political view point or whatever (lack of contect, probably zeo again.)

Or the Go0g3n fellow, who denouced an image as fake and a simulation when in fact it was not, and then posted a link that directly contradicted him in an attempt to bluff his deceit.

Is there really no rules against repeatedly posting false images and passing them off as real photos, or outright lying?

Calm down, the Poland image was meant a joke, as was the Czechoslovakia one. Get off your high horse, everything you just said has absolutely no substance and proves nothing, except of course that the personal attacks against me are getting sadder and sadder

As much fun it is to see you spread pure theories and propaganda, your martyring and proclamations of neutrality grates in my ears. At least, stay classy and let people judge your contributions on their merits.

Don't like the judgemental attitude of others? Go back to using journalistic sources and credible opinion sources (as long as you source it correctly, russian propaganda is fine).
Repeat before me
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 01 2014 20:38 GMT
#2263
Thats weird that the UN Security Council is having a hard time convening on the issue...and weirder still that glorious and innocent Russia wants the meeting closed and held in secret...thats so not like Russians, amiright guy who doesnt support Putin but is okay with this invasion because its legally permissible?
Inside UNSC meeting on #Ukraine, US, UK & France push for open meeting, #Russia wants it closed; procedural banter - diplomats tell @reuters
whiteLotus
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
1833 Posts
March 01 2014 20:39 GMT
#2264
so more countries want it to be open, so it should be open whats the problem, why are they even listening to russia at this point, russians clearly arent listening to anyone.
The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21939 Posts
March 01 2014 20:40 GMT
#2265
On March 02 2014 05:38 Sub40APM wrote:
Thats weird that the UN Security Council is having a hard time convening on the issue...and weirder still that glorious and innocent Russia wants the meeting closed and held in secret...thats so not like Russians, amiright guy who doesnt support Putin but is okay with this invasion because its legally permissible?
Show nested quote +
Inside UNSC meeting on #Ukraine, US, UK & France push for open meeting, #Russia wants it closed; procedural banter - diplomats tell @reuters

the UN has 0 power over this anyway. Russia holds Veto power and is somehow allowed to use it despite being the aggressor....
This is pure theater.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
mijagi182
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland797 Posts
March 01 2014 20:40 GMT
#2266
On March 02 2014 05:16 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 05:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On March 02 2014 04:50 zeo wrote:
On March 02 2014 04:38 Manit0u wrote:
If things go bad, we can always take Lviv back if they want it.

Implying this wasn't the Polish plan all along:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Typical Zeo. Image. No link. No context. (I don't read Polish but, it looks like a harmless and private facebook joke to me.)

But yeah Zeo, this is all a western conspiracy to divide up Ukraine as a Polish controlled colony!
Next you'll say, "but USA!"

What is up with these pro russian mouthpeices? They are giving other Russians a really bad name.
So far we've had a deluge of multiple videos dated a year before Euromaiden, as "proof" of "fascist groups", whilst a video dated yesterday with ukrainian speakers in it is "unreliable".

Oh and a totally accurately delineated map, albeit with Slovakia wrongly labelled Czechoslovakia, and in any case a very common mistake, is evidence of cold war mentality among western conspirators, never mind that Slovakia was seperated after the breakup of Yogoslavia and they were delineated correctly labelled. So it's obviously a hurried put together news (source unknown, probably zeo again) to reflect military or political view point or whatever (lack of contect, probably zeo again.)

Or the Go0g3n fellow, who denouced an image as fake and a simulation when in fact it was not, and then posted a link that directly contradicted him in an attempt to bluff his deceit.

Is there really no rules against repeatedly posting false images and passing them off as real photos, or outright lying?

Calm down, the Poland image was meant a joke, as was the Czechoslovakia one. Get off your high horse, everything you just said has absolutely no substance and proves nothing, except of course that the personal attacks against me are getting sadder and sadder


I'm confused. I thought all of your posting in the thread were jokes...
oh in the sun sun having fun
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6300 Posts
March 01 2014 20:40 GMT
#2267
On March 02 2014 05:38 Sub40APM wrote:
Thats weird that the UN Security Council is having a hard time convening on the issue...and weirder still that glorious and innocent Russia wants the meeting closed and held in secret...thats so not like Russians, amiright guy who doesnt support Putin but is okay with this invasion because its legally permissible?
Show nested quote +
Inside UNSC meeting on #Ukraine, US, UK & France push for open meeting, #Russia wants it closed; procedural banter - diplomats tell @reuters

I'm sure Putin will get a Nobel Peace Prize after this, like leaders of other Security Council members get when they send troops to sovereign countries.
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21939 Posts
March 01 2014 20:41 GMT
#2268
On March 02 2014 05:40 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 05:38 Sub40APM wrote:
Thats weird that the UN Security Council is having a hard time convening on the issue...and weirder still that glorious and innocent Russia wants the meeting closed and held in secret...thats so not like Russians, amiright guy who doesnt support Putin but is okay with this invasion because its legally permissible?
Inside UNSC meeting on #Ukraine, US, UK & France push for open meeting, #Russia wants it closed; procedural banter - diplomats tell @reuters

I'm sure Putin will get a Nobel Peace Prize after this, like leaders of other Security Council members get when they send troops to sovereign countries.

You forgot to mention the drone attacks. That always works
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
March 01 2014 20:47 GMT
#2269
Do you guys think that Mitt Romney would have done better in this situation?
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-01 20:51:20
March 01 2014 20:50 GMT
#2270
On March 02 2014 05:16 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 05:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On March 02 2014 04:50 zeo wrote:
On March 02 2014 04:38 Manit0u wrote:
If things go bad, we can always take Lviv back if they want it.

Implying this wasn't the Polish plan all along:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Typical Zeo. Image. No link. No context. (I don't read Polish but, it looks like a harmless and private facebook joke to me.)

But yeah Zeo, this is all a western conspiracy to divide up Ukraine as a Polish controlled colony!
Next you'll say, "but USA!"

What is up with these pro russian mouthpeices? They are giving other Russians a really bad name.
So far we've had a deluge of multiple videos dated a year before Euromaiden, as "proof" of "fascist groups", whilst a video dated yesterday with ukrainian speakers in it is "unreliable".

Oh and a totally accurately delineated map, albeit with Slovakia wrongly labelled Czechoslovakia, and in any case a very common mistake, is evidence of cold war mentality among western conspirators, never mind that Slovakia was seperated after the breakup of Yogoslavia and they were delineated correctly labelled. So it's obviously a hurried put together news (source unknown, probably zeo again) to reflect military or political view point or whatever (lack of contect, probably zeo again.)

Or the Go0g3n fellow, who denouced an image as fake and a simulation when in fact it was not, and then posted a link that directly contradicted him in an attempt to bluff his deceit.

Is there really no rules against repeatedly posting false images and passing them off as real photos, or outright lying?

Calm down, the Poland image was meant a joke, as was the Czechoslovakia one. Get off your high horse, everything you just said has absolutely no substance and proves nothing, except of course that the personal attacks against me are getting sadder and sadder


Sure, posts which exposes your dishonesty are "personal attacks that are getting sadder and sadder".

Because pointing out to people how you are totally deceiving are personal attacks!

So are we to take all your images and videos to be "jokes" then? Ok, glad we sorted this out.

Yes,none of those were deliberate attempts to mislead, they were all jokes! Of course! No one can be so insane to be repeatedly posting images and videos of falsehoods as if it was true. That's right, you've been posting jokes one after another, running to 100 pages of jokes, arguing for them as truth. Yes.

What I wanted to post btw:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/01/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSBREA1Q1E820140301

"Troops with no uniform insignia but clearly Russian - some in vehicles with Russian number plates - have already seized Crimea, an isolated peninsula in the Black Sea where Moscow has a large military presence in the headquarters of its Black Sea Fleet. Kiev's new authorities have been powerless to intervene."

RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6248 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-01 20:55:39
March 01 2014 20:51 GMT
#2271
On March 02 2014 05:47 darkness wrote:
Do you guys think that Mitt Romney would have done better in this situation?

No idea but I do think Obama holds back too much at the moment and the same goes for the EU. It's pretty clear now that Russia wants to expand its sphere of influence and that is not in our interest.

edit: The EU is acting spineless as well :

In a statement, French President Francois Hollande urged European countries to take swift and decisive action to find a way out of the crisis in Crimea when their foreign ministers meet in Brussels on Monday.


I mean meeting on Monday what the fuck is that....

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/01/ukraine-crisis-france-idUSL6N0LY0AW20140301
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
March 01 2014 20:53 GMT
#2272
On March 02 2014 05:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Next you'll say, "but USA!"


On March 02 2014 05:40 zeo wrote:
I'm sure Putin will get a Nobel Peace Prize after this, like leaders of other Security Council members get when they send troops to sovereign countries.


You really couldn't make it up.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21939 Posts
March 01 2014 20:53 GMT
#2273
On March 02 2014 05:47 darkness wrote:
Do you guys think that Mitt Romney would have done better in this situation?

I dont know. Its imo impossible to tell. Esp with Romney.

However....
Id almost wish Bush was around because he would not let Putin push the world around like this.
Guess thats his one redeeming quality? :p
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
March 01 2014 20:54 GMT
#2274
On March 02 2014 05:40 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 05:38 Sub40APM wrote:
Thats weird that the UN Security Council is having a hard time convening on the issue...and weirder still that glorious and innocent Russia wants the meeting closed and held in secret...thats so not like Russians, amiright guy who doesnt support Putin but is okay with this invasion because its legally permissible?
Inside UNSC meeting on #Ukraine, US, UK & France push for open meeting, #Russia wants it closed; procedural banter - diplomats tell @reuters

the UN has 0 power over this anyway. Russia holds Veto power and is somehow allowed to use it despite being the aggressor....
This is pure theater.

It is not going to result in any conclusions, but it is pretty important for countries to talk about what is happening and usually the veto happens after a resolution has been proposed, meaning they can announce what the nations other than Russia and China can agree on. As much of a desert-walk UN is in decision-making, it is a good platform for alliances to form internationally on specific issues.
Repeat before me
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
March 01 2014 20:56 GMT
#2275
some sources claim China will fully support Russia in UN
Pure fan
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 01 2014 20:57 GMT
#2276
On March 02 2014 05:53 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 05:47 darkness wrote:
Do you guys think that Mitt Romney would have done better in this situation?

I dont know. Its imo impossible to tell. Esp with Romney.

However....
Id almost wish Bush was around because he would not let Putin push the world around like this.
Guess thats his one redeeming quality? :p

He didnt do a good job of protecting Georgia -- even if we now know that Georgia started the war I think we can all agree that during the crisis the Americans did nothing beneficial.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
March 01 2014 20:57 GMT
#2277
On March 02 2014 04:25 Sub40APM wrote:
I guess Putin really wants Western Ukraine to join NATO as soon as possible. I feel bad for all those Eastern Ukrainians though, joining the ruble makes their industries even more worthless, going to be a lot more white laborers on Moscow's construction sites though.

Eastern Ukrainian industry is already mostly orientated on the Russian market, how would any of that make it worse ?
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
March 01 2014 20:57 GMT
#2278
On March 02 2014 05:53 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 05:47 darkness wrote:
Do you guys think that Mitt Romney would have done better in this situation?

I dont know. Its imo impossible to tell. Esp with Romney.

However....
Id almost wish Bush was around because he would not let Putin push the world around like this.
Guess thats his one redeeming quality? :p

Romney's foreign policy discours was 95% the same as Obama's, one new paper even made the joke, if Obama wins, he should nominate Romney secretary of state (adding, that whie males seemed to be a dying breed in that line of work anyway)
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 01 2014 20:58 GMT
#2279
On March 02 2014 05:56 PaleMan wrote:
some sources claim China will fully support Russia in UN

gotta stick together, otherwise whats the point. When China starts a war with Japan or Taiwan, they'll need someone else to say 'its perfectly legal, they passed a law and everything!' and that will be you Russian bros.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6248 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-01 21:00:23
March 01 2014 20:58 GMT
#2280
On March 02 2014 05:56 PaleMan wrote:
some sources claim China will fully support Russia in UN

Could you post your sources ?

On March 02 2014 05:57 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 05:53 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 02 2014 05:47 darkness wrote:
Do you guys think that Mitt Romney would have done better in this situation?

I dont know. Its imo impossible to tell. Esp with Romney.

However....
Id almost wish Bush was around because he would not let Putin push the world around like this.
Guess thats his one redeeming quality? :p

He didnt do a good job of protecting Georgia -- even if we now know that Georgia started the war I think we can all agree that during the crisis the Americans did nothing beneficial.


Ukraine is more important than Georgia though, it's right on the EU's doorstep.
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