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On January 20 2014 02:50 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 01:57 StarStruck wrote:
It's like Tort's said Hawk, no point trying to explain it to guys like that because they don't get it. Acctually this years its easy to explain. John Scott and Phil Kessel during the preseason is why you don't send out star plays vs 4th line goon squads
Ok, then send the 2nd or 3rd line out. Tortorella had the totally wrong reaction, and so did all the players on the ice. That was also a preseason game. It's actually a good idea to send good players against goons because good players will probably score a goal. The only difference here is that it was the opening faceoff. There's no reason for this shit to go down.
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On January 20 2014 05:50 sharkeyanti wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 02:50 Orcasgt24 wrote:On January 20 2014 01:57 StarStruck wrote:
It's like Tort's said Hawk, no point trying to explain it to guys like that because they don't get it. Acctually this years its easy to explain. John Scott and Phil Kessel during the preseason is why you don't send out star plays vs 4th line goon squads Ok, then send the 2nd or 3rd line out. Tortorella had the totally wrong reaction, and so did all the players on the ice. That was also a preseason game. It's actually a good idea to send good players against goons because good players will probably score a goal. The only difference here is that it was the opening faceoff. There's no reason for this shit to go down.
Why let there be a chance for Higgins kesler or anyone somewhat decent on the second or third line get hurt by the goofs on the 4th line flames? Torts did what had to be done, protect the better players. Flames are a bottom feeding team and Canucks can be a contender if they play right and stay healthy. Flames coach understands that he can't play straight up hockey and needs to get his team fired up and try and rattle the opposing team in order to win.
If I was torts id lose my mind too. It was a stupid play overall but with the way away teams must submit their lines first, his reaction was the best choice. Would want him to do it again if another team does that.
EDIT: hell lets say torts made the wrong decision...... If you were the Coach and the away team submits that line, your reaction would be to send the second or third line out? Ok, so lets say that lowers the tension a bit but there would still be a good 20-30 percent chance that the flames are going to drop the gloves on puck drop to try and fight to send a message at the start of the game. As a coach, you would weigh a 20-30 percent chance on your 2-3 liners to having to fight and possibly get hurt?
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On January 20 2014 03:27 Shelke14 wrote:
Torts made the right move and the people who think otherwise shouldn't even talk. It was the only move to make at that moment
this.
believe it or not, there was going to be a fight upon puck drop.
Even if I totally hate Tortorella, he made the right move. he just went overboard like a total retard after the 1st period lol.
fear and intimidation is one of the rare tools the Flames have to win games. Take those away from them.
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Why does there have to be a fight if the goons are out there? 4th liners play other people during the game. Most players aren't going to go Ray Emery-style on others if they don't want to fight. The Flames may have been trying to stir the pot or whatever. But his reasoning is not wholly without merit. He felt they had been playing well, and had scored a goal in the previous game. when your team is terrible, you've got to reward guys who you feel are doing well.
This culture of fighting for no fucking reason is perpetuated if you let players think that's what they need to do. Tortorella is fulfilling that old-school mindset. If you really feel the other guys are out there to injure your players, talk to the refs. I mean fuck guys, these are professionals who have every incentive to stay healthy and earn a yearly paycheck. This isn't some gladiatorial brawl fulfilling some big hatred of eachother. Again, it's not like 4th liners never play another team's 1/2/3rd line. This whole "sending a message" thing is just bullshit. Tortorella's reasoning is flawed and dangerous.
I'm not anti-fighting, I think it's a part of the game, but shit like this is absurd.
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No offence but you are pulling a really shitty argument. Flames rewarding their 4th line because they got a goal so lets let them take the opening face off versus our rivals. No coach is going to do that with the pure intention of just wanting to play clean straight up hockey. Why am I even replying to your line of reasoning. Torts only has a few minutes to make the line up call after he sees what the flames have submitted. Hell watch the video, the flames "center" who isn't even a center in the first place didn't even try for the face off just dropped them and wanted to fight.
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On January 19 2014 16:57 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2014 16:30 lamprey1 wrote:
hard to take the NHL regular season seriously with stuff like this. Pretty good hockey game resulted from that brawl.
Peter Gammons disagrees.
that was a WWE style rumble in the hallway.
i wonder what "foriegn object" Tortarella was armed with as he stalked Bob Hartley 
well said by Peter Gammons
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=441649
its hilarious listening to the backlash against Gammons by "NHL fans".. as though the NHL represents "all of hockey".
the large ice olympic tourney should be great though.
the world juniors were 1000X better than NHL regular season hockey.
so there is lots of great hockey out there beyond the NHL regular season.
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yeah but this is a thread about the nhl and your alts.
this article adds nothing to the discussion. its only an shitter feud because a baseball reporter said the van/cgy game was bushleague.
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On January 20 2014 11:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2014 16:57 Orcasgt24 wrote:On January 19 2014 16:30 lamprey1 wrote:
hard to take the NHL regular season seriously with stuff like this. Pretty good hockey game resulted from that brawl. Peter Gammons disagrees.
MLB writer. No credibility in hockey circles for hockey related activity. Opinion doesn't matter.
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it does to Mike Commodore
and
if you actually like.. read the article you'll see the quote at the bottom
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On January 20 2014 12:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote:it does to Mike Commodore and if you actually like.. read the article you'll see the quote at the bottom
And another quote by another baseball writer. Again their opinions don't matter.
BTW I have never heard of Pete Gammon or Jesse Spector until now. Who the hell are they?
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Any chance we can just politely ask JR to stop posting and just IP track his alts from posting? Or is that too mean... Just saying.
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On January 20 2014 12:24 Shelke14 wrote:
Any chance we can just politely ask JR to stop posting and just IP track his alts from posting? Or is that too mean... Just saying.
who would tell us that junior hockey is better than the NHL then??
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This physical style makes the Canucks a worse team. They aren't built to be a physical team and adding a bunch of 4th liners doesn't help them become one.
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On January 20 2014 12:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote:it does to Mike Commodore and if you actually like.. read the article you'll see the quote at the bottom
Mike Commodore disagreeing with him = Mike Commodore cares about his opinion...? I mean...?
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On January 20 2014 11:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2014 16:57 Orcasgt24 wrote:On January 19 2014 16:30 lamprey1 wrote:
hard to take the NHL regular season seriously with stuff like this. Pretty good hockey game resulted from that brawl. Peter Gammons disagrees. that was a WWE style rumble in the hallway. i wonder what "foriegn object" Tortarella was armed with as he stalked Bob Hartley well said by Peter Gammons http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=441649its hilarious listening to the backlash against Gammons by "NHL fans".. as though the NHL represents "all of hockey". the large ice olympic tourney should be great though. the world juniors were 1000X better than NHL regular season hockey. so there is lots of great hockey out there beyond the NHL regular season.
We get it, you don't like the NHL, you don't like fighting and you love larger ice surfaces, and your other accounts all agree with you. WE GET IT.
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On January 20 2014 11:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2014 16:57 Orcasgt24 wrote:On January 19 2014 16:30 lamprey1 wrote:
hard to take the NHL regular season seriously with stuff like this. Pretty good hockey game resulted from that brawl. Peter Gammons disagrees. that was a WWE style rumble in the hallway. i wonder what "foriegn object" Tortarella was armed with as he stalked Bob Hartley well said by Peter Gammons http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=441649its hilarious listening to the backlash against Gammons by "NHL fans".. as though the NHL represents "all of hockey". the large ice olympic tourney should be great though. the world juniors were 1000X better than NHL regular season hockey. so there is lots of great hockey out there beyond the NHL regular season.
The comment: "Calgary and Vancouver last night reiterated why the NHL is a minor sport," has no basis in reality so I stopped reading the article.
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On January 20 2014 07:56 sharkeyanti wrote:
Why does there have to be a fight if the goons are out there? 4th liners play other people during the game. Most players aren't going to go Ray Emery-style on others if they don't want to fight. The Flames may have been trying to stir the pot or whatever. But his reasoning is not wholly without merit. He felt they had been playing well, and had scored a goal in the previous game. when your team is terrible, you've got to reward guys who you feel are doing well.
This culture of fighting for no fucking reason is perpetuated if you let players think that's what they need to do. Tortorella is fulfilling that old-school mindset. If you really feel the other guys are out there to injure your players, talk to the refs. I mean fuck guys, these are professionals who have every incentive to stay healthy and earn a yearly paycheck. This isn't some gladiatorial brawl fulfilling some big hatred of eachother. Again, it's not like 4th liners never play another team's 1/2/3rd line. This whole "sending a message" thing is just bullshit. Tortorella's reasoning is flawed and dangerous.
I'm not anti-fighting, I think it's a part of the game, but shit like this is absurd.
if they were planning on just going for energy and playing legit, why's westgarth, he of 41 fights and 12 career draws for a .250 over six years in the league, sitting in the faceoff circle?? and why's westgarth the first one to drop his gloves and go forward?
that makes it perfectly clear what the intent was there. youd be insane to roll anyone but the fourth out there in that situation. they were not out there to play the puck.
furthermore, if they're stirring the pot and trying to intimidate, that's the sole reason someone like sestito exists. refs arent gonna do anything before the game has even started just because a team threw out their fourth line. and the claim of throwing a fourth line for energy might hold a little water if the flames' fourth line didnt feature two fighters who are completely awful at everything else.
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The leafs/habs game was great from the get-go, with Chris Hadfield singing the anthem, to the final minutes and that stupid canucks/flames brawl managed to completely overshadow it 
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elliotte friedman said it best on the Tim & Sid show today ( on SportsNet ) about why the NHL is afraid of being viewed as a "minor sport".
another great interview by "Tim & Sid".
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On January 21 2014 01:02 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 07:56 sharkeyanti wrote:
Why does there have to be a fight if the goons are out there? 4th liners play other people during the game. Most players aren't going to go Ray Emery-style on others if they don't want to fight. The Flames may have been trying to stir the pot or whatever. But his reasoning is not wholly without merit. He felt they had been playing well, and had scored a goal in the previous game. when your team is terrible, you've got to reward guys who you feel are doing well.
This culture of fighting for no fucking reason is perpetuated if you let players think that's what they need to do. Tortorella is fulfilling that old-school mindset. If you really feel the other guys are out there to injure your players, talk to the refs. I mean fuck guys, these are professionals who have every incentive to stay healthy and earn a yearly paycheck. This isn't some gladiatorial brawl fulfilling some big hatred of eachother. Again, it's not like 4th liners never play another team's 1/2/3rd line. This whole "sending a message" thing is just bullshit. Tortorella's reasoning is flawed and dangerous.
I'm not anti-fighting, I think it's a part of the game, but shit like this is absurd. if they were planning on just going for energy and playing legit, why's westgarth, he of 41 fights and 12 career draws for a .250 over six years in the league, sitting in the faceoff circle?? and why's westgarth the first one to drop his gloves and go forward? that makes it perfectly clear what the intent was there. youd be insane to roll anyone but the fourth out there in that situation. they were not out there to play the puck. furthermore, if they're stirring the pot and trying to intimidate, that's the sole reason someone like sestito exists. refs arent gonna do anything before the game has even started just because a team threw out their fourth line. and the claim of throwing a fourth line for energy might hold a little water if the flames' fourth line didnt feature two fighters who are completely awful at everything else.
throw out your third line then, tell them specifically not to fight back, take the instigator, the 5 minute major and play on the PP. I watched the rest of that game. It was boring, 1977 error filled shit fest and the response by Torts was one of the reasons. Harley is and always has been a bush leagues scumbag who has no place in the NHL. But retarding an entire game because of him is dumb too.
Coaches need to start feeling financial repressions for their decisions to play anti-hockey.
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