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On June 30 2013 22:22 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:21 Passion wrote:
Oh guys... how I feel like telling you all I'm going to shoot every single kid at the local primary school right now.
However, doing so might impede my plans for tomorrow, so I'll restrain myself.
(Shall I finish this off with a "JK"?) Just for that I'm gonna atom bomb the netherlands! JK.
Let's hunt and kill Billy Ray Cyrus
That's a Bill Hicks joke btw before yall get upset.
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On June 30 2013 22:24 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:22 NovaTheFeared wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 Passion wrote:
Oh guys... how I feel like telling you all I'm going to shoot every single kid at the local primary school right now.
However, doing so might impede my plans for tomorrow, so I'll restrain myself.
(Shall I finish this off with a "JK"?) Just for that I'm gonna atom bomb the netherlands! JK. Let's hunt and kill Billy Ray Cyrus That's a Bill Hicks joke btw before yall get upset.
Scared of getting jailtime?
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On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:46 Plansix wrote:
A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb. It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet.
Except this is not the case here! He did not map out anything as far as I know. According to the newspaper article he was arrested a month after the fact. How about you spend some months in prison, then you can talk about how realistic this situation is, provided the reporting is an accurate portrayal of the facts.
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On June 30 2013 22:22 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:21 Kurr wrote:The amount of people supporting this guy spending the last 4 months in prison, guilty or not, is disheartening. You people are terrifying and it's sad to see people embracing the fact that they live in a police state. On June 30 2013 22:07 SgtCoDFish wrote:
I feel like he needs therapy, not jail. Certainly, a huge amount of people would be pretty upset to hear that a guy who lives near a school was saying things like this, even with "lol jk" added, and that nothing was done about it.
Can you even begin to imagine the media furore if someone actually did shoot up a school and they'd said stuff like this on FB?
"Shocking revelations today as it's revealed that the alleged perpetrator of the recent school shooting, which left several children as young as 9 dead or critically injured, had made sick comments on Facebook as soon as a week before the attack about killing kids and eating their hearts"
We can all imagine a news reader saying that.
More than likely he was just an upset guy who doesn't know how to handle his emotions properly and he needs help to deal with things better. But a guy threatening this on the street would be arrested, and I think Facebook and Twitter should be considered to be "in public" as well (although I'd imagine some people disagree and would say otherwise)
I don't see, having said that, how locking him up for 4 months let alone 8 years will produce a productive, helpful member of society out of this guy. He needs a psychiatrist, not a jail warden, and I feel that a police warning would have probably been enough to make him realise that certain things are pretty disturbing when said in public.
(NB: None of the above is a legal opinion, because I neither know nor care how the laws of the US will apply to this guy; I'm talking about ideas and what would be best in my opinion) You're completely wrong about this person not knowing how to handle his emotions. He made a stupid sarcastic that was meant to be read by a friend as a joke. THAT'S IT. This is something that happens millions of times on a daily basis. Not that exact phrase obviously, but something sarcastically exaggerating a response to someone as a joke. And he spent at least 4 months behind bars because of it. Set your facebook to private if you are doing to do that. Also, if he had written this down in a notebook and gotten arrested, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
He made the post on somebody elses facebook page, didnt he? Which means what he posts isnt from his privacy settings?
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Also, the woman that found it may have been friends with one of the 3 parties involved.
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On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:46 Plansix wrote:
A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb. It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof.
Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much.
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On June 30 2013 22:23 Jek wrote:
@MasterOfPuppets: How would you know?
I don't.
That's the thing. No investigation was made. This guy was put into jail without anyone legitimately looking into his history and records (if any).
That would make my guess as good as yours, except for the fact that you don't seem to have spent a lot of time on the internet to simply understand the nuances of these things. I have. It's intuitive, sure, but it has never failed me.
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On June 30 2013 22:22 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:21 Kurr wrote:The amount of people supporting this guy spending the last 4 months in prison, guilty or not, is disheartening. You people are terrifying and it's sad to see people embracing the fact that they live in a police state. On June 30 2013 22:07 SgtCoDFish wrote:
I feel like he needs therapy, not jail. Certainly, a huge amount of people would be pretty upset to hear that a guy who lives near a school was saying things like this, even with "lol jk" added, and that nothing was done about it.
Can you even begin to imagine the media furore if someone actually did shoot up a school and they'd said stuff like this on FB?
"Shocking revelations today as it's revealed that the alleged perpetrator of the recent school shooting, which left several children as young as 9 dead or critically injured, had made sick comments on Facebook as soon as a week before the attack about killing kids and eating their hearts"
We can all imagine a news reader saying that.
More than likely he was just an upset guy who doesn't know how to handle his emotions properly and he needs help to deal with things better. But a guy threatening this on the street would be arrested, and I think Facebook and Twitter should be considered to be "in public" as well (although I'd imagine some people disagree and would say otherwise)
I don't see, having said that, how locking him up for 4 months let alone 8 years will produce a productive, helpful member of society out of this guy. He needs a psychiatrist, not a jail warden, and I feel that a police warning would have probably been enough to make him realise that certain things are pretty disturbing when said in public.
(NB: None of the above is a legal opinion, because I neither know nor care how the laws of the US will apply to this guy; I'm talking about ideas and what would be best in my opinion) You're completely wrong about this person not knowing how to handle his emotions. He made a stupid sarcastic that was meant to be read by a friend as a joke. THAT'S IT. This is something that happens millions of times on a daily basis. Not that exact phrase obviously, but something sarcastically exaggerating a response to someone as a joke. And he spent at least 4 months behind bars because of it. Set your facebook to private if you are doing to do that. Also, if he had written this down in a notebook and gotten arrested, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Plansix you seem to be forgetting the fact that the NSA actually has access to private facebook messages as well as the ability to wiretap basically any form of electronic media. So what does making it private do?
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On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much.
Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time.
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On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much.
We'll have to see about that. Hopefully you're right on this, but it wouldn't surprise me if it went the other way.. -_-
Still you don't seem to understand the fact that he spent 4 months in jail without any form of investigation having taken place.
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On June 30 2013 22:25 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:22 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 Kurr wrote:The amount of people supporting this guy spending the last 4 months in prison, guilty or not, is disheartening. You people are terrifying and it's sad to see people embracing the fact that they live in a police state. On June 30 2013 22:07 SgtCoDFish wrote:
I feel like he needs therapy, not jail. Certainly, a huge amount of people would be pretty upset to hear that a guy who lives near a school was saying things like this, even with "lol jk" added, and that nothing was done about it.
Can you even begin to imagine the media furore if someone actually did shoot up a school and they'd said stuff like this on FB?
"Shocking revelations today as it's revealed that the alleged perpetrator of the recent school shooting, which left several children as young as 9 dead or critically injured, had made sick comments on Facebook as soon as a week before the attack about killing kids and eating their hearts"
We can all imagine a news reader saying that.
More than likely he was just an upset guy who doesn't know how to handle his emotions properly and he needs help to deal with things better. But a guy threatening this on the street would be arrested, and I think Facebook and Twitter should be considered to be "in public" as well (although I'd imagine some people disagree and would say otherwise)
I don't see, having said that, how locking him up for 4 months let alone 8 years will produce a productive, helpful member of society out of this guy. He needs a psychiatrist, not a jail warden, and I feel that a police warning would have probably been enough to make him realise that certain things are pretty disturbing when said in public.
(NB: None of the above is a legal opinion, because I neither know nor care how the laws of the US will apply to this guy; I'm talking about ideas and what would be best in my opinion) You're completely wrong about this person not knowing how to handle his emotions. He made a stupid sarcastic that was meant to be read by a friend as a joke. THAT'S IT. This is something that happens millions of times on a daily basis. Not that exact phrase obviously, but something sarcastically exaggerating a response to someone as a joke. And he spent at least 4 months behind bars because of it. Set your facebook to private if you are doing to do that. Also, if he had written this down in a notebook and gotten arrested, we wouldn't be having this discussion. He made the post on somebody elses facebook page, didnt he? Which means what he posts isnt from his privacy settings? EDIT: Also, the woman that found it may have been friends with one of the 3 parties involved.
It was an argument with someone on Facebook. Like a full blown discussion. I haven't seen the whole thing, but I bet it is pretty irrational, since that was the ending of the discussion.
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On June 30 2013 22:24 Passion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:22 NovaTheFeared wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 Passion wrote:
Oh guys... how I feel like telling you all I'm going to shoot every single kid at the local primary school right now.
However, doing so might impede my plans for tomorrow, so I'll restrain myself.
(Shall I finish this off with a "JK"?) Just for that I'm gonna atom bomb the netherlands! JK. You just scared me shitless - somebody arrest this guy!
I probably deserve more than 8 years according to Plansix, since my threat is more terrorizing than one school shooting. That a-bomb is clearly a higher risk!!!
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On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much.
Yeah 4 months in jail already is completely negligible right? How about you go spend 4 months in jail, because I don't like your comments, and then tell me if it was all fine and dandy.
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On June 30 2013 22:25 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:24 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:22 NovaTheFeared wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 Passion wrote:
Oh guys... how I feel like telling you all I'm going to shoot every single kid at the local primary school right now.
However, doing so might impede my plans for tomorrow, so I'll restrain myself.
(Shall I finish this off with a "JK"?) Just for that I'm gonna atom bomb the netherlands! JK. Let's hunt and kill Billy Ray Cyrus That's a Bill Hicks joke btw before yall get upset. Scared of getting jailtime?
Yeah man, Plansix is going to rat on me and a moderator is gonna track my IP then ima really be fucked.
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On June 30 2013 22:25 MasterOfPuppets wrote:I don't. That's the thing. No investigation was made. This guy was put into jail without anyone legitimately looking into his history and records (if any). That would make my guess as good as yours, except for the fact that you don't seem to have spent a lot of time on the internet to simply understand the nuances of these things. I have. It's intuitive, sure, but it has never failed me.
I've been online for over 20 years now, I'm fully aware you shouldn't believe everything written. 
- However, there's a long planed history of crimes being posted online.
But at the least, I think, we can agree that the guy shouldn't have been put directly to jail without any investigation.
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On June 30 2013 22:20 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:17 m4inbrain wrote:Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. If you actually believe that, i don't know what to say. But i actually do think you're smart enough to now that jackshit will happen. The police will pick you up and make a background check, that's it. I'd much rather have a potential threat be in custody in the few days of investigation needed and seeing another tradegy. 4 months. Not "few days". He has been in jail for 4 months because no one posted bail, which is sad it in its own right.
Bail was apparently set at 250k. Pretty sure you can find some states that have lower bail for armed Robbery. I found this detail in an interview the mother gave
http://www.freetoplay.tv/news/justin-carter-jailed-league-of-legends/
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On June 30 2013 22:21 Kurr wrote:Show nested quote +The amount of people supporting this guy spending the last 4 months in prison, guilty or not, is disheartening. You people are terrifying and it's sad to see people embracing the fact that they live in a police state. On June 30 2013 22:07 SgtCoDFish wrote:
I feel like he needs therapy, not jail. Certainly, a huge amount of people would be pretty upset to hear that a guy who lives near a school was saying things like this, even with "lol jk" added, and that nothing was done about it.
Can you even begin to imagine the media furore if someone actually did shoot up a school and they'd said stuff like this on FB?
"Shocking revelations today as it's revealed that the alleged perpetrator of the recent school shooting, which left several children as young as 9 dead or critically injured, had made sick comments on Facebook as soon as a week before the attack about killing kids and eating their hearts"
We can all imagine a news reader saying that.
More than likely he was just an upset guy who doesn't know how to handle his emotions properly and he needs help to deal with things better. But a guy threatening this on the street would be arrested, and I think Facebook and Twitter should be considered to be "in public" as well (although I'd imagine some people disagree and would say otherwise)
I don't see, having said that, how locking him up for 4 months let alone 8 years will produce a productive, helpful member of society out of this guy. He needs a psychiatrist, not a jail warden, and I feel that a police warning would have probably been enough to make him realise that certain things are pretty disturbing when said in public.
(NB: None of the above is a legal opinion, because I neither know nor care how the laws of the US will apply to this guy; I'm talking about ideas and what would be best in my opinion) You're completely wrong about this person not knowing how to handle his emotions. He made a stupid sarcastic that was meant to be read by a friend as a joke. THAT'S IT. This is something that happens millions of times on a daily basis. Not that exact phrase obviously, but something sarcastically exaggerating a response to someone as a joke. And he spent at least 4 months behind bars because of it.
Well fair enough, perhaps he can control his emotions, perhaps he can't, I suppose that's for the psychiatrist to decide.
Doesn't change the rest of what I wrote, though. Whether he was angry or serene he still wrote it.
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On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:
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If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime.
I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time.
Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail.
Edit: ok, the bail is 250K and they must not know about a bail bondsmen. Also the kid apparently assaulted a guard in jail as well.
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On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much.
They hand out life sentences for less than this. I dunno what youre talking about. America has a 3 strikes and youre out system. If you have 2 felonies, then any crime you commit at all for the 3rd strike nets you life in prison. QI (british show) mentioned two in particular:
1 guy stole 9 DVD's
another guy stole 4 cookies
Both have life in prison
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How much was the bail set at?
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the guy is 18 ... threating something like that even because of those recent events in my opinion is just being a square, ignoring everything else and actually overusing the power . maybe that's what i think but how come these things are so unlikely to happen in S. Korea or even Japan ? and actually so much more likely to happen in the U.S. ? ...
somehow i believe and maybe that's also from my personal experience that people during their teenage years are just left with their mind boggling for themselves and any kind of upringing in western countries ends after finishing 13 years old, such thing probably just doesn't exist... and so there is no discipline, no values to carry, nothing ... and so people thinking, speaking and doing s!@t, without quality, value, not to mention responsibbility ...
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