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On June 30 2013 22:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:
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I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear.
I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail.
JC: No, and this was after they searched his home and found no weapons, and we assume they looked us up and saw we had no weapons. They basically had done all the investigating and the judge raised the bond to half a million dollars which of course we really couldn’t afford to get him out and he’s been in jail ever since.
I'd like to tell you that you're a dick for that comment, but i can't. It's the internet.
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On June 30 2013 22:28 DannyJ wrote:
How much was the bail set at?
On June 30 2013 22:28 MstrJinbo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:20 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:17 m4inbrain wrote:Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. If you actually believe that, i don't know what to say. But i actually do think you're smart enough to now that jackshit will happen. The police will pick you up and make a background check, that's it. I'd much rather have a potential threat be in custody in the few days of investigation needed and seeing another tradegy. 4 months. Not "few days". He has been in jail for 4 months because no one posted bail, which is sad it in its own right. Bail was apparently set at 250k. Pretty sure you can find some states that have lower bail for armed Robbery. I found this detail in an interview the mother gave http://www.freetoplay.tv/news/justin-carter-jailed-league-of-legends/
Makes sense .... -_-
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Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it?
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On June 30 2013 22:28 SgtCoDFish wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:21 Kurr wrote:The amount of people supporting this guy spending the last 4 months in prison, guilty or not, is disheartening. You people are terrifying and it's sad to see people embracing the fact that they live in a police state. On June 30 2013 22:07 SgtCoDFish wrote:
I feel like he needs therapy, not jail. Certainly, a huge amount of people would be pretty upset to hear that a guy who lives near a school was saying things like this, even with "lol jk" added, and that nothing was done about it.
Can you even begin to imagine the media furore if someone actually did shoot up a school and they'd said stuff like this on FB?
"Shocking revelations today as it's revealed that the alleged perpetrator of the recent school shooting, which left several children as young as 9 dead or critically injured, had made sick comments on Facebook as soon as a week before the attack about killing kids and eating their hearts"
We can all imagine a news reader saying that.
More than likely he was just an upset guy who doesn't know how to handle his emotions properly and he needs help to deal with things better. But a guy threatening this on the street would be arrested, and I think Facebook and Twitter should be considered to be "in public" as well (although I'd imagine some people disagree and would say otherwise)
I don't see, having said that, how locking him up for 4 months let alone 8 years will produce a productive, helpful member of society out of this guy. He needs a psychiatrist, not a jail warden, and I feel that a police warning would have probably been enough to make him realise that certain things are pretty disturbing when said in public.
(NB: None of the above is a legal opinion, because I neither know nor care how the laws of the US will apply to this guy; I'm talking about ideas and what would be best in my opinion) You're completely wrong about this person not knowing how to handle his emotions. He made a stupid sarcastic that was meant to be read by a friend as a joke. THAT'S IT. This is something that happens millions of times on a daily basis. Not that exact phrase obviously, but something sarcastically exaggerating a response to someone as a joke. And he spent at least 4 months behind bars because of it. Well fair enough, perhaps he can control his emotions, perhaps he can't, I suppose that's for the psychiatrist to decide. Doesn't change the rest of what I wrote, though. Whether he was angry or serene he still wrote it.
So if I look through your entire history of post, you've never made any single stupid post right? Because otherwise you need to be evaluated by a psychiatrist. This is serious stuff guys.
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He shouldn't have been in jail this long to begin with, as it is a grave injustice, but when his sentence comes up it should be time served and done.
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On June 30 2013 22:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:
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I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear.
I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail.
250K is above the reach of alot of middle class families, even relatively well off ones can't just pay that up front. Jesus christ.
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On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote:
Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it?
You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet?
250K is above the reach of alot of middle class families, even relatively well off ones can't just pay that up front. Jesus christ.
It's 500k according to the mother.
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On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote:
Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it?
I'm not German, and I do understand that it's a delicate situation not only from a public image standpoint but also having to deal with Neo-Nazi groups and so on but I also hold that to be an absurd law, especially if it is indeed illegal to post online about it.
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On June 30 2013 22:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:
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I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear.
I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail.
That's the whole point most people are trying to make. It's no ones fault other than the retarded state of Texas'.
On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote:
Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it?
A bit ridiculous to compare a fictional school shooting with the holocaust, to be honest.
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On June 30 2013 22:30 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:28 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:
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It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail. 250K is above the reach of alot of middle class families, even relatively well off ones can't just pay that up front. Jesus christ.
Yeah, that is a pretty high value. They could get a bail bondmen, but it still might be a bit beyond their means. From the interview, it does not sound like he is acting rationally in prison either. That doesn't help him...
On June 30 2013 22:32 Passion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:28 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:
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It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail. That's the whole point most people are trying to make. It's no ones fault other than the retarded state of Texas'.
I didn't know it was 250K when I made that comment. That is a bit much.
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On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote:
Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson
On June 30 2013 22:33 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:30 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:28 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game...
-_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail. 250K is above the reach of alot of middle class families, even relatively well off ones can't just pay that up front. Jesus christ. Yeah, that is a pretty high value. They could get a bail bondmen, but it still might be a bit beyond their means. From the interview, it does not sound like he is acting rationally in prison either. That doesn't help him...
Why don't you apologize for being such a gigantic asshole and saying something like "it's not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail." You spent this whole time talking about how you shouldn't say anything with out context, and you make this broad generalization?
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On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote:
Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson
Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is?
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On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote:
Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_FaurissonShow nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:33 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:30 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:28 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:
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Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private.
Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail. 250K is above the reach of alot of middle class families, even relatively well off ones can't just pay that up front. Jesus christ. Yeah, that is a pretty high value. They could get a bail bondmen, but it still might be a bit beyond their means. From the interview, it does not sound like he is acting rationally in prison either. That doesn't help him... Why don't you apologize for being such a gigantic asshole and saying something like "it's not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail." You spent this whole time talking about how you shouldn't say anything with out context, and you make this broad generalization?
It was a little off color and I shouldn't have been so hasty.
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On June 30 2013 22:29 Kurr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:28 SgtCoDFish wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 Kurr wrote:The amount of people supporting this guy spending the last 4 months in prison, guilty or not, is disheartening. You people are terrifying and it's sad to see people embracing the fact that they live in a police state. On June 30 2013 22:07 SgtCoDFish wrote:
I feel like he needs therapy, not jail. Certainly, a huge amount of people would be pretty upset to hear that a guy who lives near a school was saying things like this, even with "lol jk" added, and that nothing was done about it.
Can you even begin to imagine the media furore if someone actually did shoot up a school and they'd said stuff like this on FB?
"Shocking revelations today as it's revealed that the alleged perpetrator of the recent school shooting, which left several children as young as 9 dead or critically injured, had made sick comments on Facebook as soon as a week before the attack about killing kids and eating their hearts"
We can all imagine a news reader saying that.
More than likely he was just an upset guy who doesn't know how to handle his emotions properly and he needs help to deal with things better. But a guy threatening this on the street would be arrested, and I think Facebook and Twitter should be considered to be "in public" as well (although I'd imagine some people disagree and would say otherwise)
I don't see, having said that, how locking him up for 4 months let alone 8 years will produce a productive, helpful member of society out of this guy. He needs a psychiatrist, not a jail warden, and I feel that a police warning would have probably been enough to make him realise that certain things are pretty disturbing when said in public.
(NB: None of the above is a legal opinion, because I neither know nor care how the laws of the US will apply to this guy; I'm talking about ideas and what would be best in my opinion) You're completely wrong about this person not knowing how to handle his emotions. He made a stupid sarcastic that was meant to be read by a friend as a joke. THAT'S IT. This is something that happens millions of times on a daily basis. Not that exact phrase obviously, but something sarcastically exaggerating a response to someone as a joke. And he spent at least 4 months behind bars because of it. Well fair enough, perhaps he can control his emotions, perhaps he can't, I suppose that's for the psychiatrist to decide. Doesn't change the rest of what I wrote, though. Whether he was angry or serene he still wrote it. So if I look through your entire history of post, you've never made any single stupid post right? Because otherwise you need to be evaluated by a psychiatrist. This is serious stuff guys.
What I post under a pseudonym in a private forum is different to what I say in public under my real name and likeness. I consider Facebook to be public, doubly so because you post under your name.
The police can't do nothing about this if it's reported by someone, for exactly the reason I posted originally; they'll be panned by the media and people will lose their jobs (and rightfully so)
But throwing him in jail for what was probably harmless is pointless, so get him checked out; if he's all good, the police did their job, no children had their hearts ripped out and the guy doesn't have to lose his whole life because of it.
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On June 30 2013 22:36 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote:
Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_FaurissonOn June 30 2013 22:33 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:30 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:28 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have?
Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention.
The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail. 250K is above the reach of alot of middle class families, even relatively well off ones can't just pay that up front. Jesus christ. Yeah, that is a pretty high value. They could get a bail bondmen, but it still might be a bit beyond their means. From the interview, it does not sound like he is acting rationally in prison either. That doesn't help him... Why don't you apologize for being such a gigantic asshole and saying something like "it's not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail." You spent this whole time talking about how you shouldn't say anything with out context, and you make this broad generalization? It was a little off color and I shouldn't have been so hasty.
Exactly. But that's too late now. You're off to prison buddy.
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On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote:
Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is?
He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. That was actually an example which supported the claim that you would never get jail time even for holocaust denial. A rather famous one actually.
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Absolutely ridiculous. Funny thing is I was in the gun legality thread a while back listening to all the people there saying how they keep guns to stop their government stealing their freedoms - where is the righteous uprising?!
Hope the UK doesn't extradite me for this terrorist incitement.
But seriously, the kid is dumb but the police are far far worse for actually arresting/jailing him. And that bail... What a god awful justice system.
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On June 30 2013 22:37 Passion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:36 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote:
Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_FaurissonOn June 30 2013 22:33 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:30 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:28 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:
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Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet.
Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail. 250K is above the reach of alot of middle class families, even relatively well off ones can't just pay that up front. Jesus christ. Yeah, that is a pretty high value. They could get a bail bondmen, but it still might be a bit beyond their means. From the interview, it does not sound like he is acting rationally in prison either. That doesn't help him... Why don't you apologize for being such a gigantic asshole and saying something like "it's not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail." You spent this whole time talking about how you shouldn't say anything with out context, and you make this broad generalization? It was a little off color and I shouldn't have been so hasty. Exactly. But that's too late now. You're off to prison buddy.
Nah, I didn't threaten to kill anyone, so I am good.
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On June 30 2013 22:36 SgtCoDFish wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:29 Kurr wrote:On June 30 2013 22:28 SgtCoDFish wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 Kurr wrote:The amount of people supporting this guy spending the last 4 months in prison, guilty or not, is disheartening. You people are terrifying and it's sad to see people embracing the fact that they live in a police state. On June 30 2013 22:07 SgtCoDFish wrote:
I feel like he needs therapy, not jail. Certainly, a huge amount of people would be pretty upset to hear that a guy who lives near a school was saying things like this, even with "lol jk" added, and that nothing was done about it.
Can you even begin to imagine the media furore if someone actually did shoot up a school and they'd said stuff like this on FB?
"Shocking revelations today as it's revealed that the alleged perpetrator of the recent school shooting, which left several children as young as 9 dead or critically injured, had made sick comments on Facebook as soon as a week before the attack about killing kids and eating their hearts"
We can all imagine a news reader saying that.
More than likely he was just an upset guy who doesn't know how to handle his emotions properly and he needs help to deal with things better. But a guy threatening this on the street would be arrested, and I think Facebook and Twitter should be considered to be "in public" as well (although I'd imagine some people disagree and would say otherwise)
I don't see, having said that, how locking him up for 4 months let alone 8 years will produce a productive, helpful member of society out of this guy. He needs a psychiatrist, not a jail warden, and I feel that a police warning would have probably been enough to make him realise that certain things are pretty disturbing when said in public.
(NB: None of the above is a legal opinion, because I neither know nor care how the laws of the US will apply to this guy; I'm talking about ideas and what would be best in my opinion) You're completely wrong about this person not knowing how to handle his emotions. He made a stupid sarcastic that was meant to be read by a friend as a joke. THAT'S IT. This is something that happens millions of times on a daily basis. Not that exact phrase obviously, but something sarcastically exaggerating a response to someone as a joke. And he spent at least 4 months behind bars because of it. Well fair enough, perhaps he can control his emotions, perhaps he can't, I suppose that's for the psychiatrist to decide. Doesn't change the rest of what I wrote, though. Whether he was angry or serene he still wrote it. So if I look through your entire history of post, you've never made any single stupid post right? Because otherwise you need to be evaluated by a psychiatrist. This is serious stuff guys. What I post under a pseudonym in a private forum is different to what I say in public under my real name and likeness. I consider Facebook to be public, doubly so because you post under your name.
You post under your name. Many people don't. Those people are wise enough to understand that, popular social platform or not, public or not, Facebook is still a website, and the internet is not the same as real life.
Sadly, those people are much more intelligent than whoever seems to be in charge of making and enforcing laws...
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On June 30 2013 22:36 SgtCoDFish wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:29 Kurr wrote:On June 30 2013 22:28 SgtCoDFish wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 Kurr wrote:The amount of people supporting this guy spending the last 4 months in prison, guilty or not, is disheartening. You people are terrifying and it's sad to see people embracing the fact that they live in a police state. On June 30 2013 22:07 SgtCoDFish wrote:
I feel like he needs therapy, not jail. Certainly, a huge amount of people would be pretty upset to hear that a guy who lives near a school was saying things like this, even with "lol jk" added, and that nothing was done about it.
Can you even begin to imagine the media furore if someone actually did shoot up a school and they'd said stuff like this on FB?
"Shocking revelations today as it's revealed that the alleged perpetrator of the recent school shooting, which left several children as young as 9 dead or critically injured, had made sick comments on Facebook as soon as a week before the attack about killing kids and eating their hearts"
We can all imagine a news reader saying that.
More than likely he was just an upset guy who doesn't know how to handle his emotions properly and he needs help to deal with things better. But a guy threatening this on the street would be arrested, and I think Facebook and Twitter should be considered to be "in public" as well (although I'd imagine some people disagree and would say otherwise)
I don't see, having said that, how locking him up for 4 months let alone 8 years will produce a productive, helpful member of society out of this guy. He needs a psychiatrist, not a jail warden, and I feel that a police warning would have probably been enough to make him realise that certain things are pretty disturbing when said in public.
(NB: None of the above is a legal opinion, because I neither know nor care how the laws of the US will apply to this guy; I'm talking about ideas and what would be best in my opinion) You're completely wrong about this person not knowing how to handle his emotions. He made a stupid sarcastic that was meant to be read by a friend as a joke. THAT'S IT. This is something that happens millions of times on a daily basis. Not that exact phrase obviously, but something sarcastically exaggerating a response to someone as a joke. And he spent at least 4 months behind bars because of it. Well fair enough, perhaps he can control his emotions, perhaps he can't, I suppose that's for the psychiatrist to decide. Doesn't change the rest of what I wrote, though. Whether he was angry or serene he still wrote it. So if I look through your entire history of post, you've never made any single stupid post right? Because otherwise you need to be evaluated by a psychiatrist. This is serious stuff guys. What I post under a pseudonym in a private forum is different to what I say in public under my real name and likeness. I consider Facebook to be public, doubly so because you post under your name. The police can't do nothing about this if it's reported by someone, for exactly the reason I posted originally; they'll be panned by the media and people will lose their jobs (and rightfully so) But throwing him in jail for what was probably harmless is pointless, so get him checked out; if he's all good, the police did their job, no children had their hearts ripped out and the guy doesn't have to lose his whole life because of it.
From across the pond, someone else agreeing with my position. Check out the "threat" when reported, discover it's harmless, and that's that. Criminal charges are absurd.
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