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On June 12 2013 22:30 DonKey_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:28 shekelberg wrote:On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote:Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women. Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever. I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago. Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again  Rape is also natural in animals, it doesn't mean it's good Rape is an action something consciously decides to do. Identifying as homosexual is not.
It grows on trees?
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On June 12 2013 22:21 theking1 wrote:I am suprised that so many homophobic posters exist in this forum.Sadly humanity until a great genocide happens does not learn its lesson.The Jews were persecuted for hundreds of years and only after Hitler commited the Hollocaust was antisemitism finally condemned.Now the gays are going to a simmilar process.until many of them are butchered no one will take any actions against inhumane violence against a group of human beings who have done nothing to no one and wish to live their life the way they decide .
I am here via phone so sry for not quoting you previous post. Aside from your terrible try to act as intelectual by writing my psychological profile, you completely misunderstood my point. I dont hate someone just for being gay, jew, black or whatever, I just dont want someone murdered or beatan up or damaged whole city just so they can walk 2 kms. If society doeeent approve it, deal with it, or youre saying its easier to change 7 million peoples then few hundreds of gays?
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On June 12 2013 22:26 Jojo131 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:22 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:20 Jojo131 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:15 Mefano wrote:On June 12 2013 22:10 Jojo131 wrote:On June 12 2013 22:03 Reason wrote:On June 12 2013 22:00 Jojo131 wrote:On June 12 2013 21:56 sushiman wrote:On June 12 2013 21:41 Incognoto wrote:On June 12 2013 21:31 sushiman wrote:
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That's such a BS argument that gets thrown around whenever the issue of gay adoption comes up; how the hell would gay parents be worse than no parents at all? Kids will only have trouble at school if the parents of other kids are assholes that teach their children that being gay is unnatural, otherwise children have little trouble accepting new things as natural. The more common it is with children to gay parents, the less of an issue it will be - and considering there is no shortage of adoptable children that would most certainly be happier growing up in a caring home rather than an orphanage, I don't see how there's even an argument against gay adoption. What I put in bold is something that happens quite, quite frequently. The argument isn't that gay parents are worse than no parents, that's obviously not true. The argument is that straight parents are probably better than gay parents, for reasons I've explained above. You'll notice I said "given the current state of things". There is still a large amount of hate directed towards gay people and chances are a kid with gay parents will be picked on at school for it. There assholes everywhere. Furthermore, as I said before, a child is probably better off with a mother and a father than with two parents of the same sex. I say probably because there's no real way to be sure. But there's something about having an actual mother and father as parents which just bodes well. As I said before, you don't interact with your mother the same way you interact with your father. It's not something that can rationally be explained, at least not by me. I won't go on in this thread or argument, it's way too controversial and I have better things to do with my time. I just wanted to post food for thought. What, so straight parents are better because... they can teach their children to be ignorant and get away with it? Or because some vague reason that a mother and father are somehow better than two mothers or two fathers, but you can't give a reason why other than it can't be "rationally explained"? To get the age old argument out of the cupboard - what about single parents then? They should objectively be worse than a gay couple since they lack a father/mother figure and also has less time for their child than two parents would, yet there's plenty of children to single parents that grow up just fine. And if you're so worried about them lacking a role model of another sex than your parents, you can be sure there's other adults around that could fill that part, whether they are relatives or friends of the parents - and even then I doubt it would be an issue, since two people of the same sex won't have the same personality, so they would still fill different roles in the upbringing of a child. And as I said before, caring parents are better than an orphanage. It's not like there's fierce competition to adopt children, the supply tends to exceed the demands, unfortunately. As a dad it's harder (impossible?) to empathize if your girl is having her period/is pregnant. Delegating that to someone else isn't always an option that is available. You can educate yourself on the subject all you want, but who knows if that'll be enough to convince her that "you're there" the same way a woman would be. Same goes for single parents. Just saying, the argument has some value. The argument has no value, it's commonly known homosexual parents are just as good at bringing up children as heterosexual parents. I'm almost convinced you just decided to sidestep what I just typed -_- Being unable to empathize to biological processes of the opposite sex is a protruding disadvantage to same-sex couples, when the opportunity to seek external help isn't always available. According to what study? There's no statistics needed to be done. As a guy I can't invoke previous pains of being pregnant, or having a period. I cannot empathize with a woman's pain the same way another woman can. It's a type of emotional support I cannot provide as a man. What you also can't do is prove why that matters significantly in context. Whether it matters or not is situational to the child and the incident, whether she feels that she needs that emotional support at that point in time. The point is, is that it is a limitation to homosexual parents to not have this type of support ready at their disposal when the opportunity to seek external support isn't always available.
What you still can't prove is why that matters or is relevant.
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On June 12 2013 22:28 shekelberg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote:Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women. Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever. I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago. Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again Rape is also natural in animals, it doesn't mean it's good
Do you have any evidence of rape in animals or are you just pulling facts up like the roman one
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On June 12 2013 21:24 Reason wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 21:14 fluidin wrote:
I'm not sure how to phrase this, but I too am tired of all the LBGT rhetoric, especially on the Internet, where it's impossible to discuss the subject objectively. See, I do support their fight for rights, and I have had gay friends.
However, why are some people glorifying the LBGT movement? TBH it's annoying me as much as the preachers that go about spewing whatever. I'm not even religious (maybe Agnostic), and yet I believe that the gift of human life, through consummation between a man and woman, is precious beyond belief. Both orthodox religion and homosexuality does kinda detract from the human race's progression IMO. Of course, I'm not demeaning all their contributions, just that I feel there's a fundamental flaw in the inability to produce a new human life.
To me, homosexuals are an unfortunate circumstance of how the world works. Yes, they absolutely should enjoy the same rights as everyone else, I'm all for that, but there's no need to go about glorifying it. It has been stated that homosexuality is not a disorder, I acknowledge that, but deep down I do wish that it was, and that it could be "cured".
This is my personal belief. It might offend many, but, well. :/ Nobody is glorifying it. They are not unable to produce a new human life. Plenty people capable of producing new human life do not. So homosexuals are an unfortunate circumstance and deep down you wish gay people had a disorder so you could cure them? Somebody give this guy a medal as his opinions are clearly well thought out and morally sound!
There are quite a few of them, lol. I'm sure you know what kind of people I'm talking about, jumping on the bandwagon of LBGT to look cool and edgy.
They are physically able to give birth, but obviously if they were truly homosexual they would not be doing it. You could argue for IVF for the female homosexuals, but the male ones obviously can't. Either way, this is a niche point not worth arguing over.
Yes, and I too feel that for these people who can but do not, it's really unfortunate.
I do not wish they have a disorder, I wish it IS one that can be cured. But like I said, it isn't and I acknowledge that. Yes, I do feel it is an unfortunate circumstance of how the world works, like many other things, such as petty conflicts, and wars. I understand how these are things that come about as a result of human nature, but it does not stop me from feeling some regret that it is how it is.
Perhaps my thoughts aren't morally sound, but rest assured I have thought them out clearly.
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On June 12 2013 20:27 cloneThorN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 20:19 Art.FeeL wrote:
Well I am quite tired of this gay rights thing, so although I think that this law is too much, I welcome an attempt to stop with this mess already. I don't have anything against gays, but if you are willing to be gay you don't have to tell the whole world how happy and cute you are and stop me getting to my favorite coffee shop with your parade. Honestly, i think the reason you are tired of it, is because you never tried to even understand the basic concepts of it. 1. The gay right movement is not about informing you about them being gay, 2. It's about them trying to achive the same rights as straight people like you and me. 3. Try replacing "gays" with "black people"
As an african-venezuelan I honestly feel offended by this bullshit, don't try comparing centuries of slavery and murder to being mocked for being gay. Being mocked for being gay is equal to being mocked for being fat, ugly or a nerd or anything really, it happends because gay people are not "normal" people, normal as in average, because average people are always the judges of what is normal.
All societies have gay people because it is a very natural thing but every society treats them differently, although I do not support what Russia did, I also clearly not support that bullshit gay marriage thing that they are trying to get inside our heads as a "normal" thing, when the natural thing is clearly a man and a woman. Political correctness is out of control and a lot of these people celebrate their sexuality in a rather obscene way, most of the time they are showing off and not actually protesting for rights like they want you to believe, that is obvious to anybody that see these parades. And if you are different for whatever reason, because maybe you are disabled or anything, you have to accept that every now and then you will be discriminated but it's part of what we are, and of what you are. If somebody goes too far or phisically hurt you or anything the law should protect you but that should be the limits of your rights, because for the rest you are equal to everybody else, and then you should have the rights of everybody else.
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On June 12 2013 22:25 DonKey_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 21:59 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 12 2013 21:51 Jojo131 wrote:On June 12 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 12 2013 21:41 Incognoto wrote:On June 12 2013 21:31 sushiman wrote:On June 12 2013 21:23 Incognoto wrote:On June 12 2013 20:29 S:klogW wrote:On June 12 2013 20:26 Christ the Redeemer wrote:
I was under the impression that neutrality and objectivity is important. But reading the op, it is obvious which side of the issue it already stands, thereby affecting the discussion. What about those who favor this law? OPs like this discourage a healthy discussion because they already manipulate the discussion to go on a specific way. But who would argue that being anti-gay is a good thing? The only possible moral problem with being gay is the right to adopt children. Don't get me wrong I'm not against gay marriage or gay people in general, far from it. Though I'm pretty sure it would be hard for a kid to have gay parents because that kid would have to put up with a lot of shit from other people, especially at school. Not only that, I feel good parenting comes from a mother and father. It's like... I don't think gay parents would be bad or anything. It's just that the mother has the role of the mother and the father the role of the father. It's not something that can be rationally explained, it's a kind of gut feeling you get. Interacting with mother isn't the same as interacting with father. It just isn't. You can be for gay marriage etc, sure why not, but imagine two different scenarios. Your dad is cheating on your mother with a woman and your dad is cheating on your mother with another dude. Just try to imagine that, try to figure out how fucking weird that would be. I don't hate gays, I'm friends with a few of them. I don't think they shouldn't be able to marry. But as of now, given the current state of things, I don't think they should adopt children. It's not hatred, it's just something else. You could say that it would be "wrong" to deny them the same rights as a straight couple, that there are straight couples who are absolute shit parents. I would agree with you. But the primary concern when it comes to adopting a child isn't the parent's well being or happiness. What's the most important is the children's. That's such a BS argument that gets thrown around whenever the issue of gay adoption comes up; how the hell would gay parents be worse than no parents at all? Kids will only have trouble at school if the parents of other kids are assholes that teach their children that being gay is unnatural, otherwise children have little trouble accepting new things as natural. The more common it is with children to gay parents, the less of an issue it will be - and considering there is no shortage of adoptable children that would most certainly be happier growing up in a caring home rather than an orphanage, I don't see how there's even an argument against gay adoption. What I put in bold is something that happens quite, quite frequently. The argument isn't that gay parents are worse than no parents, that's obviously not true. The argument is that straight parents are probably better than gay parents, for reasons I've explained above. You'll notice I said "given the current state of things". There is still a large amount of hate directed towards gay people and chances are a kid with gay parents will be picked on at school for it. There assholes everywhere. Furthermore, as I said before, a child is probably better off with a mother and a father than with two parents of the same sex. I say probably because there's no real way to be sure. But there's something about having an actual mother and father as parents which just bodes well. As I said before, you don't interact with your mother the same way you interact with your father. It's not something that can rationally be explained, at least not by me. I won't go on in this thread or argument, it's way too controversial and I have better things to do with my time. I just wanted to post food for thought. You seem to be a reasonable and well-intended individual, and if I'm not misconstruing what you're saying, then you believe that being adopted by a gay couple could prove very detrimental to children because of the social stigma and taboo associated with this, am I correct? Now, let me ask you this: do you think it is a better solution to condone the status quo and swipe the issue under the rug, or fight for a society in which gay couples do have the right to adopt children without them or any other family member (including the child in question) not being stigmatized or discriminated against? Sure, the latter would be a longer and more arduous process, and intolerance will never, I repeat, never be completely rooted out from our society. Still, I think it's obvious which future would be more fair... I think what he means is that nobody wants to be the ones cracking the eggs, to make that omelet. Its not fair for the eggs errrimean children to put them through all that, even if it leads to a better outcome. It's like treating them as pawns. Change of this scale is never easy. Humans don't like change. It's not like you can just spout out some beautifully worded ideology and the entirety of society will follow it, no. There are intermediary steps, and a gradual evolution is better than no evolution at all. Don't get me wrong, there is some merit to what he is saying from a practicality standpoint. But there is no "easy" way to make this change happen. If the issue is pushed correctly, we should eventually reach a point where the majority of the population will have adapted or even been educated from a young age to understand what homosexuality is and why it's not wrong but merely different, with only a few intolerant outliers spouting their bigotry. In the end, we've seen it happen with women's rights, with black people's rights, why not this as well? I think the problem is in the fact that the child has no choice in the matter. He shouldn't have to face the possibility of ridicule at some point in the future for something out of his control. That being said, this situation obviously shouldn't exist to begin with, and in some countries/areas it very well might not. In the southern half of the United States however, I can say from personal experience this type of discrimination does exist and to put a child through it with knowledge of what you are doing is malicious to that child. This type of environment needs to be destroyed as soon as possible so that such discrimination would not be an issue, but presently it is not a fair thing to do to a child with knowledge that the child would be discriminated against.
Everything is about balancing positives and negatives. The fact that child will face ridicule should not be the only criteria used. You can/should prioritize heterosexual parents all other things being equal, but you should not disqualify gay parents just because you are afraid of child being ridiculed. They can bring to the table positives that much outweigh the ridicule, compared to no parents at all. People here have nonsensically black-and-white view of issues.
And of course gay rights are just not possible in countries that have in general low level of societal development. That does not mean we cannot criticize Russia for being immoral douches.
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I don't understand the hate vs gays. If everyone were gay, we'd have twice as many people who would like to suck your dick. All jokes aside, me beiing gay for example does not affect anyone, but myself and my possible offspring (which I cannot have because gay). It's not about annoying straight people with ur perverseness, it's about loving someone you care about. Thats a woman for most people, but for some people they get the same kind of feelings for a man. How this affect you? Is it the idea thats repulsive to you? And by stomping it in the ground u think it will somehow go away? It does not work that way. If I were to tell you to not love womans anymore because it's wrong, would you do that? Ofcourse not, because wrong is for other people right.
Also in the light of overpopulation I encourage everyone to be as gay as possible. Altough even encouraging gayness will not change anything. Because most people are born gay or straight. I just would like everyone to be more tolerant of each other. Difference is not a bad thing persé.
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Are we now seriously comparing rape to homosexuality? Come the fuck on Teamliquid, get some fucking perspective and maybe think before you type whatever goddamn nonsense passes through your brain.
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On June 12 2013 22:32 shekelberg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:30 DonKey_ wrote:On June 12 2013 22:28 shekelberg wrote:On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote:Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women. Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever. I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago. Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again Rape is also natural in animals, it doesn't mean it's good Rape is an action something consciously decides to do. Identifying as homosexual is not. It grows on trees?
You're correct.
I used to be attracted to women, but then one day I say this guy dancing down the street with glitter on his face and feathers in his hair. I could not resist it, I just had to drop to my knees and start sucking a dick.
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Austria24417 Posts
On June 12 2013 22:32 shekelberg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:30 DonKey_ wrote:On June 12 2013 22:28 shekelberg wrote:On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote:Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women. Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever. I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago. Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again Rape is also natural in animals, it doesn't mean it's good Rape is an action something consciously decides to do. Identifying as homosexual is not. It grows on trees?
Your low post count and terrible post content make me think this account won't be here for long.
So... what's a Universal Declaration of Human Rights worth if it can be disregarded and broken this blatantly? Can I like... sue Russia?
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On June 12 2013 22:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
So the question is will anybody actually have the balls to ask Putin what in all the fucks he's thinking
I think we should start by asking him why the fuck he still supports a Syrian tyrant using chemicals on his people... Oh wait... It's because he is the same!
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On June 12 2013 22:03 mdpopescu wrote:Yeah, democracy sucks when you disagree with it.
Democracy also sucks if everyone has the same mind on something. There has to be at least one person in the 400+ parliament who has a different idea, right?
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On June 12 2013 22:32 shekelberg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:30 DonKey_ wrote:On June 12 2013 22:28 shekelberg wrote:On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote:Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women. Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever. I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago. Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again Rape is also natural in animals, it doesn't mean it's good Rape is an action something consciously decides to do. Identifying as homosexual is not. It grows on trees?
I'm sorry I don't possess an understanding of what you are trying to say. Can you elaborate?
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On June 12 2013 22:33 Nevermind86 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 20:27 cloneThorN wrote:On June 12 2013 20:19 Art.FeeL wrote:
Well I am quite tired of this gay rights thing, so although I think that this law is too much, I welcome an attempt to stop with this mess already. I don't have anything against gays, but if you are willing to be gay you don't have to tell the whole world how happy and cute you are and stop me getting to my favorite coffee shop with your parade. Honestly, i think the reason you are tired of it, is because you never tried to even understand the basic concepts of it. 1. The gay right movement is not about informing you about them being gay, 2. It's about them trying to achive the same rights as straight people like you and me. 3. Try replacing "gays" with "black people" As an african-venezuelan I honestly feel offended by this bullshit, don't try comparing centuries of slavery and murder to being mocked for being gay. Being mocked for being gay is equal to being mocked for being fat, ugly or a nerd or anything really, it happends because gay people are not "normal" people, normal as in average, because average people are always the judges of what is normal.
You're working under a grave misapprehension if you think that gays worldwide only have to put up with "mocking".
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On June 12 2013 22:33 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:28 shekelberg wrote:On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote:Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women. Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever. I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago. Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again Rape is also natural in animals, it doesn't mean it's good Do you have any evidence of rape in animals or are you just pulling facts up like the roman one
Dolphins rape humans. Go find your evidence for yourself. But if you're to bigoted to not believe me for not citing it, that's nt my problem
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On June 12 2013 22:28 shekelberg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote:Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women. Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever. I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago. Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again Rape is also natural in animals, it doesn't mean it's good
I am shocked and hurt. You do get the differnce between rape and the consensual act of love?
Also: Come on Murrica. Free the shit out of them. Redeem yourself for all the wars you did for oil, do one for freedom.
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Different culture, different mentality. I'm not saying it's fine of course but it's funny to think that most mainstream russian politicians would be considered as far right extremists (almost neo-nazis) in western europe.
This kind of fallback into tradition and religion makes me think about what happens in a lot of countries with a muslim culture. It seems like there's a worldwide fear of future and modernity, especially when it comes to moral values.
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On June 12 2013 22:35 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
So the question is will anybody actually have the balls to ask Putin what in all the fucks he's thinking I think we should start by asking him why the fuck he still supports a Syrian tyrant using chemicals on his people... Oh wait... It's because he is the same!
That's where I was ultimately going with this.
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On June 12 2013 22:32 shekelberg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 22:30 DonKey_ wrote:On June 12 2013 22:28 shekelberg wrote:On June 12 2013 22:27 guN-viCe wrote:Did you guys know homosexuality is common in some animals?Imagine having sex with a man, are you repulsed? That's how a gay man feels when he thinks about women. Homosexuality exists, deal with it. It's not going away, ever. I feel like Russia and quite a few other countries are like the USA 50-100 years ago. Religion combined with ignorance and dogma strikes again Rape is also natural in animals, it doesn't mean it's good Rape is an action something consciously decides to do. Identifying as homosexual is not. It grows on trees?
Did you consciously decide to identify as a man (assuming you are man) ?
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