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I didn't see a topic for this yet, but pretty much Instagram has made a new policy in which it now has the right to sell the photos you upload onto their service without compensating you, or notifying you. Not only that, but they've created a policy that protects them from class lawsuits should they use your images(make them public) that you've made private. There is no way to opt out of this unless you delete your account by January 16.
Instagram said today that it has the perpetual right to sell users' photographs without payment or notification, a dramatic policy shift that quickly sparked a public outcry. The new intellectual property policy, which takes effect on January 16, comes three months after Facebook completed its acquisition of the popular photo-sharing site. Unless Instagram users delete their accounts before the January deadline, they cannot opt out.
Under the new policy, Facebook claims the perpetual right to license all public Instagram photos to companies or any other organization, including for advertising purposes, which would effectively transform the Web site into the world's largest stock photo agency. One irked Twitter user quipped that "Instagram is now the new iStockPhoto, except they won't have to pay you anything to use your images."
"It's asking people to agree to unspecified future commercial use of their photos," says Kurt Opsahl, a senior staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation. "That makes it challenging for someone to give informed consent to that deal." That means that a hotel in Hawaii, for instance, could write a check to Facebook to license photos taken at its resort and use them on its Web site, in TV ads, in glossy brochures, and so on -- without paying any money to the Instagram user who took the photo. The language would include not only photos of picturesque sunsets on Waikiki, but also images of young children frolicking on the beach, a result that parents might not expect, and which could trigger state privacy laws. Facebook did not respond to repeated queries from CNET this afternoon. We'll update the article if we receive a response. Another policy pitfall: If Instagram users continue to upload photos after January 16, 2013, and subsequently delete their account after the deadline, they may have granted Facebook an irrevocable right to sell those images in perpetuity. There's no obvious language that says deleting an account terminates Facebook's rights, EFF's Opsahl said.
Facebook's new rights to sell Instagram users' photos come from two additions to its terms of use policy. One section deletes the current phrase "limited license" and, by inserting the words "transferable" and "sub-licensable," allows Facebook to license users' photos to any other organization.
A second section allows Facebook to charge money. It says that "a business or other entity may pay us to display your... photos... in connection with paid or sponsored content or promotions, without any compensation to you." That language does not exist in the current terms of use.
Google's policy, by contrast, is far narrower and does not permit the company to sell photographs uploaded through Picasa or Google+. Its policy generally tracks the soon-to-be-replaced Instagram policy by saying: "The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our services." Yahoo's policies service for Flickr are similar, saying the company can use the images "solely for the purpose for which such content was submitted or made available."
Reginald Braithwaite, an author and software developer, posted a tongue-in-cheek "translation" of the new Instagram policy today: "You are not our customers, you are the cattle we drive to market and auction off to the highest bidder. Enjoy your feed and keep producing the milk."
One Instagram user dubbed the policy change "Instagram's suicide note." The PopPhoto.com photography site summarized the situation by saying: "The service itself is still a fun one, but that's a lot of red marks that have shown up over the past couple weeks. Many shooters -- even the casual ones -- probably aren't that excited to have a giant corporation out there selling their photos without being paid or even notified about it." (Credit: Stephen Shankland/CNET) Another unusual addition to Instagram's new policy appears to immunize it from liability, such as class action lawsuits, if it makes supposedly private photos public. The language stresses, twice in the same paragraph, that "we will not be liable for any use or disclosure of content" and "Instagram will not be liable for any use or disclosure of any content you provide."
Yet another addition says "you acknowledge that we may not always identify paid services, sponsored content, or commercial communications as such." That appears to conflict with the Federal Trade Commission's guidelines that say advertisements should be listed as advertisements.
Such sweeping intellectual property language has been invoked before: In 1999, Yahoo claimed all rights to Geocities using language strikingly similar to Facebook's wording today, including the "non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right" to do what it wanted with its users' text and photos. But in the face of widespread protest -- and competitors advertising that their own products were free from such Draconian terms -- Yahoo backed down about a week later.
It's true, of course, that Facebook may not intend to monetize the photos taken by Instagram users, and that lawyers often draft overly broad language to permit future business opportunities that may never arise. But on the other hand, there's no obvious language that would prohibit Facebook from taking those steps, and the company's silence in the face of questions today hasn't helped. EFF's Opsahl says the new policy runs afoul of his group's voluntary best practices for social networks. He added: "Hopefully at some point we'll get greater clarity from Facebook and Instagram."
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57559710-38/instagram-says-it-now-has-the-right-to-sell-your-photos/ http://www.slashgear.com/slashgear-101-does-instagram-own-my-photos-18261373/
This raises the question, does Instagram have the right to do this? Do the photo that you upload belong to them now? Or do you still have ownership?
Poll: Does Instagram have the right to sell your photos?No, the images belong to you (359) 83% Yes, it's their service (70) 16% Other, explain (4) 1% 433 total votes Your vote: Does Instagram have the right to sell your photos? (Vote): Yes, it's their service (Vote): No, the images belong to you (Vote): Other, explain
Note: Instagram is kind of like facebook, except people upload and share their photos to people who follow them. Instagram is also owned by facebook.
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Well, there goes my account.
Not going to stand by some random company using my private images for marketing purposes.
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Yeah, no. The pictures were uploaded under drastically different terms. There's no fucking way "we get your shit unless you opt out" can be legal.
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Well that is one less thing to worry about. Oh wait, I am actually fat and ugly, therefore definitely not photogenic.
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On December 18 2012 18:19 Severedevil wrote: Yeah, no. The pictures were uploaded under drastically different terms. There's no fucking way "we get your shit unless you opt out" can be legal.
It actually is quite legal, its almost the same terms as with facebook. You dont own any of the information on your facebook, facebook owns it
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I was kind of expecting this when facebook got their hands on it.
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I guess if every Facebook and Instagramm user would cancel their accounts in response to this, it might teach those big companies a lesson to never pull such a stunt ever again.
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So don't use their service anymore if you don't like their policies. Whats the big deal?
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On December 18 2012 18:27 Raithwall wrote: I guess if every Facebook and Instagramm user would cancel their accounts in response to this, it might teach those big companies a lesson to never pull such a stunt ever again.
As if getting everyone to delete their facebook account is realistic. Honestly I dunno what can be really done. Facebook can really do anything as long as it doesn't start charging users money etc etc and nobody can do anything about it. I feel like the only/best thing that can be done now is government intervention.
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On December 18 2012 18:28 Beavo wrote: So don't use their service anymore if you don't like their policies. Whats the big deal?
Hehe indeed. Pretty interesting way with their change of policy I must say
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That's what happens when you let a private company monitor your private life. Enjoy being violated over and over again until you learned just a little bit of html and create your own website ...
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On December 18 2012 18:28 Beavo wrote: So don't use their service anymore if you don't like their policies. Whats the big deal?
How else are my friends supposed to know what im eating presented in sepia tone?!!?!?!?!?!
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So if instagram owns the photos and there happens to be child pornography (such as someone who looks 18 but is actually 17 or a photo at a nude beach) on instagram in some quiet little corner, if it comes to light does that mean instagram is liable for that? Seeing as how they have made everyone their photographers and are paying the users via services. It sounds like they are playing with a double edged sword, because you cannot sell what you don't own and if you have millions of people working for you without oversight of what they put up then you're bound to run into a lot of legal issues.
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I think I'm just going to be sharing pics directly between friends rather than uploading them to any website pretty soon. Might be a good change to be not using any third party anything for a change.
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On December 18 2012 18:38 Solarist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 18:28 Beavo wrote: So don't use their service anymore if you don't like their policies. Whats the big deal? How else are my friends supposed to know what im eating presented in sepia tone?!!?!?!?!?!
Oh Shit!
Never thought of that. Raise hell instead!
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ehh doesnt facebook have the same rights? I kind of feel like any "free" service like that is doing this these days. not surprising in the least bit
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What? I'm surprised this is actually legal. They can claim rights to images uploaded under a different policy if the user doesn't delete their account within the next few days? Pretty despicable move either way.
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So they're going to sell people's private pictures of restaurant food? Let's make a big deal out of this!
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I guess that was expected since Instagram wasnt presenting a direct revenue source for Facebook and fb needs to monetarize more to please shareholders
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On December 18 2012 19:05 Beavo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 18:38 Solarist wrote:On December 18 2012 18:28 Beavo wrote: So don't use their service anymore if you don't like their policies. Whats the big deal? How else are my friends supposed to know what im eating presented in sepia tone?!!?!?!?!?! Oh Shit! Never thought of that. Raise hell instead!
Hipsters everywhere will starve to death. Whats the point of eating if my friends cant see how ironically im able to ingest sushi
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On December 18 2012 20:01 JKM wrote: So they're going to sell people's private pictures of restaurant food? Let's make a big deal out of this! If someone is going to use your pictures for commercial purposes you don't want to be compensated for it? You also have no control over in what kind of setting they'll end up in.
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Would I have to end up paying to use my own pictures taken on instagram?
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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On December 18 2012 20:01 JKM wrote: So they're going to sell people's private pictures of restaurant food? Let's make a big deal out of this!
No let's belittle it completely and act as though there aren't any personal pictures on there, that'd be funny.
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On December 18 2012 20:16 bardtown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 20:01 JKM wrote: So they're going to sell people's private pictures of restaurant food? Let's make a big deal out of this! No let's belittle it completely and act as though there aren't any personal pictures on there, that'd be funny.
I never understand why there are so many apologists for big businesses. This really is screwing over the users of this service imo.
My wife takes pictures for stock photography, and they can use these photos for literally anything, STD warnings ads, any weird commercial you can think of.
Obviously the solution is to simply close your accounts if you don't want your stuff shared and let others know so they can make an informed choice!
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On December 18 2012 20:12 disciple wrote: I guess that was expected since Instagram wasnt presenting a direct revenue source for Facebook and fb needs to monetarize more to please shareholders
Worst case scenario is that investors see this as a threat to the Facebook brand and they lose money than they would by just writing Instagram down as a loss.
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Isn't this the same thing Facebook is already doing with the images on their site?
I don't mind either way, I don't really use instagram since I think it's the strongest indication of a poor photographer.
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Those anti class action lawsuits don't actually mean anything. I mean they can actually require you to agree that they're the Hyper-President of Mars but it means the exact same as an anti class action lawsuit clause.
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What will they do with all those food pics :O
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... I hate to do this. I really really do. But think about it this way. (Which is why it is written in this fashion, similarly to how photobucket and deviantart policies read, if you actually read them. This one does seem particularly wide, of course.)
Instagram is a commercial service. It produces a web page with your pictures on it. A third party may pay them show advertising on the page alongside your pictures. It may have to move the physical storage associated with your pictures, or pay a third party to take over the hosting and web serving of those pictures, to lighten the load on its servers.
It's possible these changes are more related to their business model, or physical infrastructure, than to any plan to sell pictures to random groups.
Not sure how it will play out, though. They may actually be looking for more revenue. I dunno. But then again, I never used Instagram because my life simply is not that exciting, nor do I have any desire to share pictures that way.
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On December 18 2012 20:38 felisconcolori wrote: ... I hate to do this. I really really do. But think about it this way. (Which is why it is written in this fashion, similarly to how photobucket and deviantart policies read, if you actually read them. This one does seem particularly wide, of course.)
Instagram is a commercial service. It produces a web page with your pictures on it. A third party may pay them show advertising on the page alongside your pictures. It may have to move the physical storage associated with your pictures, or pay a third party to take over the hosting and web serving of those pictures, to lighten the load on its servers.
It's possible these changes are more related to their business model, or physical infrastructure, than to any plan to sell pictures to random groups.
Not sure how it will play out, though. They may actually be looking for more revenue. I dunno. But then again, I never used Instagram because my life simply is not that exciting, nor do I have any desire to share pictures that way. It may start as advertising, but everyone gets money hungry. It will quickly turn into something more than just money raising to support themselves (not like they need it for ad revenue anyway, as it is owned by Facebook)
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If you ask me, they should go out of business. Why should we care that they don't make money out of this ? If the way they want to make money is by getting money from other people's work/passion...?
I'm not sure about Valve's business model ( about % of earning taken from workshop stuff ), but that is the right way to make money. They get more people creating, while giving them insentive to do more cool stuff, while both them and the artist get money.
Such a move won't encourage competition..
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On December 18 2012 20:31 Probe1 wrote: Those anti class action lawsuits don't actually mean anything. I mean they can actually require you to agree that they're the Hyper-President of Mars but it means the exact same as an anti class action lawsuit clause. Yeah it won't stand under most legal systems, you usually can't opt out of the law. Personally as an amature sports photographer, I hate everything about instagram anyway. Facebook already claims ownership of photos you put on there, I imagine any attempt to sell or publish your images, especially private ones would violate other privacy clauses/laws. Facebook is a funny one, in a similar vein to Apple they're a very dodgy company that want's to control its uers, but people like their product so don't want to believe it.
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hrm, this is why I hate "social networking" Facebook has been doing this for years.
And fyi, there is no real debate here, they have the right to what they like with your photos. If you clicked accept...
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Ok, well this is very creepy
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i've never used instagram so i don't really get all the hype around it, maybe just use photoshop instead and apply some filters for effects o_o?
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I hope this will mark the end of one of the most cancerous applications ever to be developed.
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On December 18 2012 22:09 Swwww wrote: I hope this will mark the end of one of the most cancerous applications ever to be developed. "i have no use for it, but because its popular it means its cancer, even thou it has never harmed me in any way"
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On December 18 2012 22:12 Sea_Food wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 22:09 Swwww wrote: I hope this will mark the end of one of the most cancerous applications ever to be developed. "i have no use for it, but because its popular it means its cancer, even thou it has never harmed me in any way"
I know people who use it, worst thing about it is that every single picture that they have taken they do you not have the original and have some retard filter applied to it AND its in some stupid format. I don't see how anyone can call a facilitator of the fucking SWAG generation anything other than cancerous. Though, since everyone who uses it is already a retard I guess they wont care about having their personal info stolen.
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On December 18 2012 22:12 Sea_Food wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 22:09 Swwww wrote: I hope this will mark the end of one of the most cancerous applications ever to be developed. "i have no use for it, but because its popular it means its cancer, even thou it has never harmed me in any way"
Cancer: Something that grows (in popularity) with out contributing anything positive to the body that it's feeding nutrients or energy off of.
Sounds exactly like this program -_-
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Good, stories are already coming out about huge numbers of people uninstalling the app. Another social media company shoots itself in the foot or finds itself otherwise unable to manage itself properly. What's new?
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If you put anything on the internet, expect it to be seen and used by anyone. Not shocked in the least by this.
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people make such a big deal about this shit. the chances of YOUR photos being sold on are very slim unless you are a particularly good photographer or happen to have captured a particularly good image. I don't use instagram personally, I have photoshop for when the mood strikes me to add some filters to my pics, but the fact that they COULD use my pics (should i ever use the app) to make money doesn't bother me in the slightest.
When you upload something to the internet it is no longer private. its that simple. If I have my own website, that I built, someone could easily come along and rip all the photos and sell them on without me ever knowing. That is the nature of the internet, if you haven't figured that out yet... thats your problem. At least instagram have the balls to openly admit that is their intent instead of doing it on the sly, without you ever knowing... which is exactly what happens now.
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On December 19 2012 03:04 emythrel wrote: people make such a big deal about this shit. the chances of YOUR photos being sold on are very slim unless you are a particularly good photographer or happen to have captured a particularly good image. I don't use instagram personally, I have photoshop for when the mood strikes me to add some filters to my pics, but the fact that they COULD use my pics (should i ever use the app) to make money doesn't bother me in the slightest.
When you upload something to the internet it is no longer private. its that simple. If I have my own website, that I built, someone could easily come along and rip all the photos and sell them on without me ever knowing. That is the nature of the internet, if you haven't figured that out yet... thats your problem. At least instagram have the balls to openly admit that is their intent instead of doing it on the sly, without you ever knowing... which is exactly what happens now.
Except somebody else stealing your work or posted property on your private space is what we call stealing, infringement, and can get that person into trouble if it's a significant enough infringement. Duh no shit right. Just because a phenonmenon is wide spread doesn't mean you have to defend it or justify it externally with "well what did you expect to happen?" when it's still wrong. People are exercising their right to uninstall the program after they hear about this, just as they used the program under the assumption that their work or private photos wouldn't be misused.
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I don't use it but its not as nearly as bad as people make it seem. Instagram will still not be allowed to sell pictures with recognizable people, because that still requires a model release, and apparantly the new ToC only apply for photos uploaded after jan 16th.
So if you don't want it, just don't use it and it won't bother you. Not especially hard or unreasonable for a free product.
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Haha, usually this happens very very sneakily ;> Glad to see that people are whistleblowing...
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I'm repeatedly happy that I never got into this shit, instagram, facebook, etc.
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On December 19 2012 03:20 Derez wrote: I don't use it but its not as nearly as bad as people make it seem. Instagram will still not be allowed to sell pictures with recognizable people, because that still requires a model release, and apparantly the new ToC only apply for photos uploaded after jan 16th.
So if you don't want it, just don't use it and it won't bother you. Not especially hard or unreasonable for a free product.
But..But.. when i take pictures i use black and white to make them look cool.
you mean i will have to actually use a photo editor?!
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Changed the thread title from "Instagram now has the right to sell your photos" to "Instagram now claims the right to sell your photos".
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Too bad everyone's pictures suck ):
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Smells like Facebook.
Claiming your IP? Check.
Unilateral ToS change? Check.
Sad monetization scheme? Check.
But remember guys, people don't really want privacy, they just wanna SHARE!
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On December 19 2012 03:36 jdseemoreglass wrote: I'm repeatedly happy that I never got into this shit, instagram, facebook, etc. This. Even though a good amount of friends keep bugging me to get a Facebook account, every time I hear Facebook related things like this my heart rejoices the fact I haven't given in. I know real privacy is a utopia these days but the things Facebook (and sites owned by Facebook) makes it's users sign, mostly unknowingly, just goes against anything I want to believe in.
I understand Facebook needs to make money. I also understand why they would want something like this. However a unilateral change of the ToS is in my opinion not the way to do things like this. For a change that has an impact like this (or perhaps even any change at all) a company should send the already registered users an email with a clear context. - This is what the paragraph in the ToS was when you signed on. - This will be the new paragraph and these are the changes we are going to make in the ToS (additions clearly highlighted / changed text crossed out - This is the date the new ToS will be implemented (at least a month in the future) - This is why we are making these changes
If a company is required to announce the changes like this the existing users get a fair warning and a more clear view of what will happen and what the consequences are if they agree. And if they don't agree, they know well in advance and can look for and alternative and close their account.
Everybody who signs up after the implementation date of the new ToS should read it carefully anyway so I have less problems with them being screwed if they don't read the ToS although it would be nice if a ToS was required to be written in easy to understand text instead of lawyer language. Preferentially bulleted short sentences instead of paragraph long wordings that say the same but hard very hard to read for most people. Most people just skip reading the ToS altogether because of the way it's formulated. Perhaps good for the company but bad for society as a whole imo.
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I'm sad that I don't have a instagram account that I could close.
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Facebook and Instagram continue to disgust me. Bunch of corporate sell-outs giving in to whoever has money to spend. No better than the corrupt banks and politicians of the world.
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Everybody with respectable pictures should close their instagram accounts. Then, users can start an elaborate trolling campaign where the ONLY pictures on instagram, come Jan. 16, are the greatest shock pics from the internet's filthy places.
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Hallo, it belongs to facebook! Who would have thought that facebooks wants to monetarize it? Yeah .... I hate facebook. What a bad company that thinks it can own everything just by saying so in the customer service terms ...
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On December 19 2012 04:36 Elizar wrote: Hallo, it belongs to facebook! Who would have thought that facebooks wants to monetarize it? Yeah .... I hate facebook. What a bad company that thinks it can own everything just by saying so in the customer service terms ...
Hello, it belongs to you! Who would've thought people dont' want to be exploited by constantly-changing agreements that don't ask for your re-approval when they randomly change and don't notify you at all of the changes?
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On December 18 2012 18:28 Beavo wrote: So don't use their service anymore if you don't like their policies. Whats the big deal?
I don't use instagram, but imo the big deal is that some people, who might not notice the new policy taking effect, or even be aware of it, could have private photos that they don't want being shared. If they don't realize that this is taking place (and don't delete their account), they could have those things shared.
If the policy was that all pictures after Jan 16th were public, THEN a "don't use their service anymore" could easily make sense. But for people who are inevitably going to be unaware of the policy change, this could be a big deal.
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Instagram is like a picture frame, my photo is the content. They have no right to claim it as their property wtf???
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lol at the poll. i think you mean "should" Instagram have the right to sell your photos.
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Facebook owns instagram, and this has been facebook's policy for a while now. Not sure why everyone's shocked/cares at all
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i think the only reasonable response to this behavior from instagram is to say "FU instagram, I'm out".
at least thats what i do.
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On December 18 2012 20:12 disciple wrote: I guess that was expected since Instagram wasnt presenting a direct revenue source for Facebook and fb needs to monetarize more to please shareholders This is the best point, FB bought the company for an obscene amount of money considering there was no tangible revenue stream. Instead they are paying to host blurry, sepia toned pictures of lunches. This was probably the worst way to go about monetizing this particular division, in addition to the photo sharing war with Twitter I don't think this will reflect well on FB's stock price.
I don't think there will be a mass exodus from the app though, there will always be people (like the ones inclined to believe posting a status means that the terms and conditions of the site don't apply to them), who just love using the app.
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if you upload porn pictures on that site ( belongs to some porn company ), is it now owned by instagram and not the porn company?
say you uploaded something from another party, they now own whatever you uploaded from that party?
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Honestly, I'm surprised this didn't sooner. I was expecting something like this when Facebook bought Instagram. They have the same terms of service and all that jazz now
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Do you remember Incontrol and his fianceé being on this porn site?
There was an advertisement that went like: "If that fat, disgusting loser can get a hot GF, so can you!" and the photo of incontrol and her was apparently sold by facebook.
I'm not making this up, there was even a thread about it on TL.
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On December 19 2012 05:09 kafkaesque wrote: Do you remember Incontrol and his fianceé being on this porn site?
There was an advertisement that went like: "If that fat, disgusting loser can get a hot GF, so can you!" and the photo of incontrol and her was apparently sold by facebook.
Wow.
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On December 19 2012 05:09 kafkaesque wrote: Do you remember Incontrol and his fianceé being on this porn site?
There was an advertisement that went like: "If that fat, disgusting loser can get a hot GF, so can you!" and the photo of incontrol and her was apparently sold by facebook.
I'm not making this up, there was even a thread about it on TL. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295462
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On December 19 2012 05:15 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 05:09 kafkaesque wrote: Do you remember Incontrol and his fianceé being on this porn site?
There was an advertisement that went like: "If that fat, disgusting loser can get a hot GF, so can you!" and the photo of incontrol and her was apparently sold by facebook.
I'm not making this up, there was even a thread about it on TL. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295462
Oh shit, I remember that thread, now. Did the picture get taken down?
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On December 19 2012 05:18 dUTtrOACh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 05:15 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 19 2012 05:09 kafkaesque wrote: Do you remember Incontrol and his fianceé being on this porn site?
There was an advertisement that went like: "If that fat, disgusting loser can get a hot GF, so can you!" and the photo of incontrol and her was apparently sold by facebook.
I'm not making this up, there was even a thread about it on TL. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295462 Oh shit, I remember that thread, now. Did the picture get taken down? according to the op, yes.
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I find this kinda funny, when most of the photos are probably not good quality photos + filtered + only one kind of size squared (right? I don't use instagram.) It sucks for those who really put high amounts of effort. If they are planning to sell these photos for big bucks, those companies who will be buying are wasting money.
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On December 19 2012 05:19 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 05:18 dUTtrOACh wrote:On December 19 2012 05:15 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 19 2012 05:09 kafkaesque wrote: Do you remember Incontrol and his fianceé being on this porn site?
There was an advertisement that went like: "If that fat, disgusting loser can get a hot GF, so can you!" and the photo of incontrol and her was apparently sold by facebook.
I'm not making this up, there was even a thread about it on TL. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295462 Oh shit, I remember that thread, now. Did the picture get taken down? according to the op, yes.
It served its purpose, I suppose. Didn't see Update#3 for some reason, lol
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On December 19 2012 02:53 theBALLS wrote: what is instagram you know how twitter is just facebook with only status updates? Instragram is facebook with only uploading pictures, and just like twitter, it is a haven for people who think they and their opinions are important and original. huehue
edit: also, I think Probe1 is right, that clause about suing won't hold up lol
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On December 19 2012 04:48 tuho12345 wrote: Instagram is like a picture frame, my photo is the content. They have no right to claim it as their property wtf???
I feel that people in this thread generally do not have a good understanding of the law. Once you upload something to any service like this, it is no longer your property. It is protected only by user agreements. The poll in the OP is fallacious since there's only one correct answer, and it's not a matter of opinion.
As to whether it bothers me; not really, most other companies are already doing the exact same thing. Phone companies, Facebook, and even certain forums (not this one) will all sell your personal info for a buck. Ideally this would not happen at all, but that's capitalism.
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On December 19 2012 05:09 kafkaesque wrote: Do you remember Incontrol and his fianceé being on this porn site?
There was an advertisement that went like: "If that fat, disgusting loser can get a hot GF, so can you!" and the photo of incontrol and her was apparently sold by facebook.
I'm not making this up, there was even a thread about it on TL.
I guess we all now know who is looking at porn sites.
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On December 19 2012 05:30 riotjune wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 05:09 kafkaesque wrote: Do you remember Incontrol and his fianceé being on this porn site?
There was an advertisement that went like: "If that fat, disgusting loser can get a hot GF, so can you!" and the photo of incontrol and her was apparently sold by facebook.
I'm not making this up, there was even a thread about it on TL. I guess we all now know who is looking at porn sites.
Everyone?
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On December 19 2012 05:32 dUTtrOACh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 05:30 riotjune wrote:On December 19 2012 05:09 kafkaesque wrote: Do you remember Incontrol and his fianceé being on this porn site?
There was an advertisement that went like: "If that fat, disgusting loser can get a hot GF, so can you!" and the photo of incontrol and her was apparently sold by facebook.
I'm not making this up, there was even a thread about it on TL. I guess we all now know who is looking at porn sites. Everyone?
Yea who am I kidding...-.-
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Honestly, if people want to use all this social bullsh*t then they deserve to have their privacy revoked. You want to talk to your mate? Call them. You want to send them pictures? Email them.
If you don't like it, don't use their services. All they're really providing is a convenient way for people to seek attention.
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On December 19 2012 05:35 foxmeep wrote: Honestly, if people want to use all this social bullsh*t then they deserve to have their privacy revoked. You want to talk to your mate? Call them. You want to send them pictures? Email them.
If you don't like it, don't use their services. All they're really providing is a convenient way for people to seek attention.
It would be nice to be able to store something on the cloud without it instantly becoming the could's property, though.
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Who would buy a ton of pictures of people's food?
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Facebook will be the demise of Instagram.
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Mmmmm... that free lunch sure was delicious.
The EULA giveth and the EULA taketh away.
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On December 19 2012 05:35 foxmeep wrote: Honestly, if people want to use all this social bullsh*t then they deserve to have their privacy revoked. You want to talk to your mate? Call them. You want to send them pictures? Email them.
If you don't like it, don't use their services. All they're really providing is a convenient way for people to seek attention. newsbreak, AT&T has announced new policy to record all phone calls and use copies; Yahoo and Google have announced new policy that they will use emails as they see fit. further breaking news, foxmeep's privacy is now revoked or else he will be sent back to the stone age. lol. your argument is silly (other than saying if they dont like it, they shouldn't use the service).
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SoCal, USA3955 Posts
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On December 19 2012 05:44 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 05:35 foxmeep wrote: Honestly, if people want to use all this social bullsh*t then they deserve to have their privacy revoked. You want to talk to your mate? Call them. You want to send them pictures? Email them.
If you don't like it, don't use their services. All they're really providing is a convenient way for people to seek attention. newsbreak, AT&T has announced new policy to record all phone calls and use copies; Yahoo and Google have announced new policy that they will use emails as they see fit. further breaking news, foxmeep's privacy is now revoked or else he will be sent back to the stone age. lol. your argument is silly (other than saying if they dont like it, they shouldn't use the service).
Give me one good reason why you need to announce to all your friends what you are eating for lunch.
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Do they have the right to do it? Yes, I think they do. But it's friggin' stupid and I'm pretty damn sure people in mass will be deleting their accounts. And I'm not sure if those clauses can truly "immunize" itself of liability.
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On December 19 2012 05:59 foxmeep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 05:44 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 19 2012 05:35 foxmeep wrote: Honestly, if people want to use all this social bullsh*t then they deserve to have their privacy revoked. You want to talk to your mate? Call them. You want to send them pictures? Email them.
If you don't like it, don't use their services. All they're really providing is a convenient way for people to seek attention. newsbreak, AT&T has announced new policy to record all phone calls and use copies; Yahoo and Google have announced new policy that they will use emails as they see fit. further breaking news, foxmeep's privacy is now revoked or else he will be sent back to the stone age. lol. your argument is silly (other than saying if they dont like it, they shouldn't use the service). Give me one good reason why you need to announce to all your friends what you are eating for lunch.
You clearly have a deep and nuanced understanding of the role social media plays in our modern lives...
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On December 19 2012 05:59 foxmeep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 05:44 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 19 2012 05:35 foxmeep wrote: Honestly, if people want to use all this social bullsh*t then they deserve to have their privacy revoked. You want to talk to your mate? Call them. You want to send them pictures? Email them.
If you don't like it, don't use their services. All they're really providing is a convenient way for people to seek attention. newsbreak, AT&T has announced new policy to record all phone calls and use copies; Yahoo and Google have announced new policy that they will use emails as they see fit. further breaking news, foxmeep's privacy is now revoked or else he will be sent back to the stone age. lol. your argument is silly (other than saying if they dont like it, they shouldn't use the service). Give me one good reason why you need to announce to all your friends what you are eating for lunch. I guess you aren't familiar with social media sites...
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People use this site outside of girls taking self pics of their ass sitting on the bathroom sink?
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Just stop using facebook/instagram. Everyone is becoming way too reliant on the stupid thing and they don't realize there are other alternatives. I stopped using that bullshit since I graduated University.
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Well I'm deleting my account for sure, no way in hell I'm on some poster in Mumbai because FB sold a picture. There are no limits to ways they could screw you over when that hits.
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Fenrax
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On December 19 2012 05:59 foxmeep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 05:44 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 19 2012 05:35 foxmeep wrote: Honestly, if people want to use all this social bullsh*t then they deserve to have their privacy revoked. You want to talk to your mate? Call them. You want to send them pictures? Email them.
If you don't like it, don't use their services. All they're really providing is a convenient way for people to seek attention. newsbreak, AT&T has announced new policy to record all phone calls and use copies; Yahoo and Google have announced new policy that they will use emails as they see fit. further breaking news, foxmeep's privacy is now revoked or else he will be sent back to the stone age. lol. your argument is silly (other than saying if they dont like it, they shouldn't use the service). Give me one good reason why you need to announce to all your friends what you are eating for lunch. because i like to see what restaurants in my area are offering. you know, the same reason i like to see what a restaurant is offering on yelp, or on the menu.
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On December 19 2012 06:17 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 05:59 foxmeep wrote:On December 19 2012 05:44 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 19 2012 05:35 foxmeep wrote: Honestly, if people want to use all this social bullsh*t then they deserve to have their privacy revoked. You want to talk to your mate? Call them. You want to send them pictures? Email them.
If you don't like it, don't use their services. All they're really providing is a convenient way for people to seek attention. newsbreak, AT&T has announced new policy to record all phone calls and use copies; Yahoo and Google have announced new policy that they will use emails as they see fit. further breaking news, foxmeep's privacy is now revoked or else he will be sent back to the stone age. lol. your argument is silly (other than saying if they dont like it, they shouldn't use the service). Give me one good reason why you need to announce to all your friends what you are eating for lunch. because i like to see what restaurants in my area are offering. you know, the same reason i like to see what a restaurant is offering on yelp, or on the menu.
And I'm sure your life would be severely impacted should you have to give up that privilege.
On December 19 2012 06:10 StarStruck wrote: Just stop using facebook/instagram. Everyone is becoming way too reliant on the stupid thing and they don't realize there are other alternatives. I stopped using that bullshit since I graduated University.
Exactly. Sure it may be mildly "convenient", but I can't see how anyone would actually care if they had to stop using these particular services.
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On December 19 2012 05:39 Ettick wrote: Who would buy a ton of pictures of people's food?
Instagram's super-secret plan to enter the cook-book realm has just started. Look out, Betty Crocker.
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On December 19 2012 06:31 foxmeep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 06:17 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 19 2012 05:59 foxmeep wrote:On December 19 2012 05:44 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 19 2012 05:35 foxmeep wrote: Honestly, if people want to use all this social bullsh*t then they deserve to have their privacy revoked. You want to talk to your mate? Call them. You want to send them pictures? Email them.
If you don't like it, don't use their services. All they're really providing is a convenient way for people to seek attention. newsbreak, AT&T has announced new policy to record all phone calls and use copies; Yahoo and Google have announced new policy that they will use emails as they see fit. further breaking news, foxmeep's privacy is now revoked or else he will be sent back to the stone age. lol. your argument is silly (other than saying if they dont like it, they shouldn't use the service). Give me one good reason why you need to announce to all your friends what you are eating for lunch. because i like to see what restaurants in my area are offering. you know, the same reason i like to see what a restaurant is offering on yelp, or on the menu. And I'm sure your life would be severely impacted should you have to give up that privilege. Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 06:10 StarStruck wrote: Just stop using facebook/instagram. Everyone is becoming way too reliant on the stupid thing and they don't realize there are other alternatives. I stopped using that bullshit since I graduated University. Exactly. Sure it may be mildly "convenient", but I can't see how anyone would actually care if they had to stop using these particular services. it wouldnt be severely impacted. whats your point?
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Is there a similar service available? If so, goodbye Instagram. You are no longer relevant.
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this is going to get buried.... nobody wants to know the truth.
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The shitty thing, is all the pictures of me that are up on facebook (minus my profile pic) are on other people profiles. I wonder how many pictures of me with my face in a bag of weed or pictures of me rolling joints there actually are... It's been a while since I checked facebook.
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On December 19 2012 06:42 dAPhREAk wrote:this is going to get buried.... nobody wants to know the truth.
I am speechless. I think this may be the first Issue that I have ever agreed with you on :p
Did people really think that the people who own the servers that you put your data on have no rights to your data? There are limits to those rights, but when you put something on the internet you lose control of it.
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Turns out there is no such thing as a free lunch.
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I like how when I upload something to one of these services, they now own it, and when I download something, they still own it.
ToS wizardry.
edit: I guess this should be expected with 'free' services. They gotta make money somehow, and the ad model just isn't working online. I think the larger issue that people are responding to is the proclivity of Facebook and Facebook-owned companies to unilaterally change their ToS to allow themselves more latitude in monetizing user-generated content.
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On December 19 2012 07:02 HorsemasterK wrote: I like how when I upload something to one of these services, they now own it, and when I download something, they still own it.
ToS wizardry.
edit: I guess this should be expected with 'free' services. They gotta make money somehow, and the ad model just isn't working online. I think the larger issue that people are responding to is the proclivity of Facebook and Facebook-owned companies to unilaterally change their ToS to allow themselves more latitude in monetizing user-generated content. they dont own it; they can use it.
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Facebook recently shut down my account because of some dispute with my carrier here in Finland. As a result, they asked me for my government issued photo ID as proof that I am me. I declined and requested them to delete my account, they didn't respond.
As a result, I havn't been on Facebook for a while and have no idea what is up with my account.
Instagram is just another cog in the attempted money machine. Zuckerberg pissed off a lot of investors when he shoot them in the face with his flop of a public sale and now he's attempting everything to make ammends.
Just my opinion.
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On December 19 2012 07:04 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 07:02 HorsemasterK wrote: I like how when I upload something to one of these services, they now own it, and when I download something, they still own it.
ToS wizardry.
edit: I guess this should be expected with 'free' services. They gotta make money somehow, and the ad model just isn't working online. I think the larger issue that people are responding to is the proclivity of Facebook and Facebook-owned companies to unilaterally change their ToS to allow themselves more latitude in monetizing user-generated content. they dont own it; they can use it.
Ownership involves making usage decisions about your property.
Now one can argue that this is the price paid for these services, but I would assert that now that this is being made apparent to users, they're deciding the service isn't worth it.
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On December 19 2012 07:10 HorsemasterK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 07:04 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 19 2012 07:02 HorsemasterK wrote: I like how when I upload something to one of these services, they now own it, and when I download something, they still own it.
ToS wizardry.
edit: I guess this should be expected with 'free' services. They gotta make money somehow, and the ad model just isn't working online. I think the larger issue that people are responding to is the proclivity of Facebook and Facebook-owned companies to unilaterally change their ToS to allow themselves more latitude in monetizing user-generated content. they dont own it; they can use it. Ownership involves making usage decisions about your property. Now one can argue that this is the price paid for these services, but I would assert that now that this is being made apparent to users, they're deciding the service isn't worth it. lol, what? by uploading you are saying they can use it, you arent saying they own it.....
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On December 19 2012 07:18 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 07:10 HorsemasterK wrote:On December 19 2012 07:04 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 19 2012 07:02 HorsemasterK wrote: I like how when I upload something to one of these services, they now own it, and when I download something, they still own it.
ToS wizardry.
edit: I guess this should be expected with 'free' services. They gotta make money somehow, and the ad model just isn't working online. I think the larger issue that people are responding to is the proclivity of Facebook and Facebook-owned companies to unilaterally change their ToS to allow themselves more latitude in monetizing user-generated content. they dont own it; they can use it. Ownership involves making usage decisions about your property. Now one can argue that this is the price paid for these services, but I would assert that now that this is being made apparent to users, they're deciding the service isn't worth it. lol, what? by uploading you are saying they can use it, you arent saying they own it.....
What interests/confuses me is who DOES own this content?
edit: its certainly not the user, or they could tell Instagram how to use it.
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On December 19 2012 07:36 HorsemasterK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 07:18 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 19 2012 07:10 HorsemasterK wrote:On December 19 2012 07:04 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 19 2012 07:02 HorsemasterK wrote: I like how when I upload something to one of these services, they now own it, and when I download something, they still own it.
ToS wizardry.
edit: I guess this should be expected with 'free' services. They gotta make money somehow, and the ad model just isn't working online. I think the larger issue that people are responding to is the proclivity of Facebook and Facebook-owned companies to unilaterally change their ToS to allow themselves more latitude in monetizing user-generated content. they dont own it; they can use it. Ownership involves making usage decisions about your property. Now one can argue that this is the price paid for these services, but I would assert that now that this is being made apparent to users, they're deciding the service isn't worth it. lol, what? by uploading you are saying they can use it, you arent saying they own it..... What interests/confuses me is who DOES own this content? edit: its certainly not the user, or they could tell Instagram how to use it. the photographer owns the "content." through the TOS, the photographer gives instagram the right (e.g., a license) to use the photographer's "content."
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On December 19 2012 06:51 dUTtrOACh wrote: The shitty thing, is all the pictures of me that are up on facebook (minus my profile pic) are on other people profiles. I wonder how many pictures of me with my face in a bag of weed or pictures of me rolling joints there actually are... It's been a while since I checked facebook.
If that's the case then you have no one to blame but yourself for letting people take a picture of you rolling joints. You probably laughed and thought it was funny at the time. And you're far from the only one posting pictures of themselves and friends doing illegal activities. The exact opposite of smart.
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Always cracks me up how everytime a new privacy issue is raised regarding a SNS, the same people come out of the woodwork to rant about how SNS are the root of evil and how they never used one in their life and are so glad they didn't and everybody should do the same.
We're on TL. We've probably been exposed more than a few times in our life to the blind animosity that some people who don't understand nor love video games have against them. We could think better than behaving the same regarding SNS. Because some people find it shallow and stupid and have no use for it in their (awesome I'm sure) social lives doesn't mean that everyone does.
Just use it responsibly and keep enjoying the great services that you're provided with.
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No one is obligated to host and share your images for you, if you don't like their new terms of service, delete your account. Simple as that.
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What are people all of a sudden surprised about this? If you put your stuff on an internet site owned by a private company 99% of the time you've already signed on to saying they can use your stuff. This has been going on for years, why are people flipping out.
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a company went public and screws their customers over for every last penny they can get? should have seen this coming a mile away
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Giving someone a copy of a photo is like telling them a secret. One way to stop people telling your secrets, or to be compensated for them telling, is by threat of force (the legal system). A better way is to simply not tell certain people your secrets (i.e. delete your account).
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On December 19 2012 10:32 poor newb wrote: a company went public and screws their customers over for every last penny they can get? should have seen this coming a mile away More like a company changes a few lines of legalese and no one bothers to figure out what it actually means, or what it actually entails, before starting a witch hunt about it.
For instance, lets look at TeamLiquid's ToS:
With respect to any content you elect to post on any area of the site, including blogs, forum comments and any and all other posts, you grant TeamLiquid a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to use and display such content worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology, without compensation or attribution to you. Look familiar?
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On December 19 2012 11:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 10:32 poor newb wrote: a company went public and screws their customers over for every last penny they can get? should have seen this coming a mile away More like a company changes a few lines of legalese and no one bothers to figure out what it actually means, or what it actually entails, before starting a witch hunt about it. For instance, lets look at TeamLiquid's ToS: Show nested quote +With respect to any content you elect to post on any area of the site, including blogs, forum comments and any and all other posts, you grant TeamLiquid a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to use and display such content worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology, without compensation or attribution to you. Look familiar?
Except... TL hasn't changed its TOS. That's the point of this thread, that the TOS is being changed. Effective January 16th infact.
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On December 19 2012 11:35 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 11:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 19 2012 10:32 poor newb wrote: a company went public and screws their customers over for every last penny they can get? should have seen this coming a mile away More like a company changes a few lines of legalese and no one bothers to figure out what it actually means, or what it actually entails, before starting a witch hunt about it. For instance, lets look at TeamLiquid's ToS: With respect to any content you elect to post on any area of the site, including blogs, forum comments and any and all other posts, you grant TeamLiquid a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to use and display such content worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology, without compensation or attribution to you. Look familiar? Except... TL hasn't changed its TOS. That's the point of this thread, that the TOS is being changed. Effective January 16th infact. No, the point of this thread is a massive knee-jerk reaction that confuses several different licensing and rights issues.
Changing the TOS is not surprising in the slightest. In fact, if people actually stopped to read the TOS, they'd see they've already agreed to allow InstaGram to change their TOS.
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On December 19 2012 12:01 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 11:35 Caihead wrote:On December 19 2012 11:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 19 2012 10:32 poor newb wrote: a company went public and screws their customers over for every last penny they can get? should have seen this coming a mile away More like a company changes a few lines of legalese and no one bothers to figure out what it actually means, or what it actually entails, before starting a witch hunt about it. For instance, lets look at TeamLiquid's ToS: With respect to any content you elect to post on any area of the site, including blogs, forum comments and any and all other posts, you grant TeamLiquid a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to use and display such content worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology, without compensation or attribution to you. Look familiar? Except... TL hasn't changed its TOS. That's the point of this thread, that the TOS is being changed. Effective January 16th infact. No, the point of this thread is a massive knee-jerk reaction that confuses several different licensing and rights issues. Changing the TOS is not surprising in the slightest. In fact, if people actually stopped to read the TOS, they'd see they've already agreed to allow InstaGram to change their TOS. Well, when I agreed to my TOS, I promised I'd never take the advice of a wolf in sheep's clothing. Granted, you're in the sheep, but I'm still wary.
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well, i guess there's one more reason for me not to make an instagram
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On December 19 2012 12:01 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 11:35 Caihead wrote:On December 19 2012 11:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 19 2012 10:32 poor newb wrote: a company went public and screws their customers over for every last penny they can get? should have seen this coming a mile away More like a company changes a few lines of legalese and no one bothers to figure out what it actually means, or what it actually entails, before starting a witch hunt about it. For instance, lets look at TeamLiquid's ToS: With respect to any content you elect to post on any area of the site, including blogs, forum comments and any and all other posts, you grant TeamLiquid a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to use and display such content worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology, without compensation or attribution to you. Look familiar? Except... TL hasn't changed its TOS. That's the point of this thread, that the TOS is being changed. Effective January 16th infact. No, the point of this thread is a massive knee-jerk reaction that confuses several different licensing and rights issues. Changing the TOS is not surprising in the slightest. In fact, if people actually stopped to read the TOS, they'd see they've already agreed to allow InstaGram to change their TOS.
And people are perfectly allowed to discontinue usage of a product at any point, where a change in the ToS is a perfectly good reason. Why are you upset at people exercising their right as consumers?
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Is the service free? Then if you don't like it, don't upload or use it. Simple.
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Isn't this that website that a lot of kids use to Sext eachother? I guess they need the rights to a lot of child porn for something
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Sad that copyrights, IP, etc. seem to be a one-way street. People get jailed for torrenting files due to the movie/entertainment industry but companies can make subtle changes and essentially hijack ownership of any and all photos.
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On December 18 2012 18:28 Beavo wrote: So don't use their service anymore if you don't like their policies. Whats the big deal? I'd agree with this. As long as they do give you notice in advance that they are doing this and allow you to opt out (which they are). Shitty deal for the users, but it's within their rights.
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On December 19 2012 12:15 Ldawg wrote: Sad that copyrights, IP, etc. seem to be a one-way street. People get jailed for torrenting files due to the movie/entertainment industry but companies can make subtle changes and essentially hijack ownership of any and all photos. this.
also i feel like they wanna show that if you have money you can do whatever the fuck
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On December 19 2012 12:15 Ldawg wrote: Sad that copyrights, IP, etc. seem to be a one-way street. People get jailed for torrenting files due to the movie/entertainment industry but companies can make subtle changes and essentially hijack ownership of any and all photos.
Well, it's more so that companies simply need to disclaimer ahead of time when changes to terms of service will take place, which is still completely arbitrary.
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On December 18 2012 18:24 Solarist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 18:19 Severedevil wrote: Yeah, no. The pictures were uploaded under drastically different terms. There's no fucking way "we get your shit unless you opt out" can be legal. It actually is quite legal, its almost the same terms as with facebook. You dont own any of the information on your facebook, facebook owns it thats quite sketchy too.
an illustrator, you posted his works on his facebook page do not lose his right of copyright, neither he has to share it with facebook.
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They're Wal-Marting photo advertisements, too! Instead of paying a professional (or amateur) photographer, of buying the rights to use an existing photo from an artist or an art resource, they'll take your photo and probably pay a fraction of the price to FB in order to use it maybe even indefinitely?
Kind of ironic. A lot of facebook users that just link to their instagram every time they take a photo of a fallen leaf or a picket fence in grayscale or bronze or some other dumb pretentious photo jerking now has a chance to be shown EVERYWHERE in some other form of media or maybe even a McDonald's employee manual.
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mods can we change the misleading title of this thread?
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On December 19 2012 12:08 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 12:01 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 19 2012 11:35 Caihead wrote:On December 19 2012 11:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 19 2012 10:32 poor newb wrote: a company went public and screws their customers over for every last penny they can get? should have seen this coming a mile away More like a company changes a few lines of legalese and no one bothers to figure out what it actually means, or what it actually entails, before starting a witch hunt about it. For instance, lets look at TeamLiquid's ToS: With respect to any content you elect to post on any area of the site, including blogs, forum comments and any and all other posts, you grant TeamLiquid a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to use and display such content worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology, without compensation or attribution to you. Look familiar? Except... TL hasn't changed its TOS. That's the point of this thread, that the TOS is being changed. Effective January 16th infact. No, the point of this thread is a massive knee-jerk reaction that confuses several different licensing and rights issues. Changing the TOS is not surprising in the slightest. In fact, if people actually stopped to read the TOS, they'd see they've already agreed to allow InstaGram to change their TOS. And people are perfectly allowed to discontinue usage of a product at any point, where a change in the ToS is a perfectly good reason. Why are you upset at people exercising their right as consumers? People are perfectly entitled to stop using a product for any reason they want. Or even without a reason.
Starting a shit storm because you completely misinterpreted the legalese, however, is just stupid.
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So now they changed their minds? Seems like they wont be selling your photos afterall
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edit: del in face of update ^^ \o/
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i wonder why people still think that using stuff on the internetz is free...
you get what you pay for.
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On December 19 2012 17:26 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: So now they changed their minds? Seems like they wont be selling your photos afterall See, this is what I'm talking about...do you people even bother to read the TOS in the first place? Most of the crap everyone is freaking about is already in the existing TOS.
The changes don't allow Instagram to sell your photos, and nothing in the legal text even remotely suggested they were claiming ownership or selling your IP. However, they already had the right to use your content for commercial advertising and promotional purposes.
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So basically they do this to sell your pics to various food companies to advertise food, right?
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On December 19 2012 17:39 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 17:26 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: So now they changed their minds? Seems like they wont be selling your photos afterall See, this is what I'm talking about...do you people even bother to read the TOS in the first place? Most of the crap everyone is freaking about is already in the existing TOS. The changes don't allow Instagram to sell your photos, and nothing in the legal text even remotely suggested they were claiming ownership or selling your IP. However, they already had the right to use your content for commercial advertising and promotional purposes. This is true and you are right in the points you make. However I get the feeling there is more behind the reaction as first meets the eye. Facebook currently has such a bad reputation for preserving the privacy of the things you upload that everything and every change they make through their established channels is going to be heavily criticized and burnt down.
Not talking about if the actual change is good or bad. It's the image they have in combination with the way they communicate and implement changes.
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On December 18 2012 18:13 Nihilnovi wrote: Well, there goes my account.
Not going to stand by some random company using my private images for marketing purposes.
You're kinda late to the party. Seeing how Facebook's and Google's business model is based solely off of gathering and selling out your data (if you didn't know, all images you upload to FB or Google are being used to train facial recognition AIs that are then used by Chinese government and the like).
Unfortunately over the course of the past 20 years the law hasn't caught up with surveillance capitalism models and it's being abused and milked for all it's worth. The worst thing is that in your EULA you agree to them gathering your data and they reserve the right to pass this data on to third parties and are not responsible for what those third parties do with it.
Some lawyers went over Google Nest device, specifications and its inner workings with some tech people and surmised that in order for you to use this device you'd actually need to sign about one thousand separate privacy agreements.
Welcome to the 21st century.
Edit: Nevermind. Didn't notice this thread was so old...
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Portugal4219 Posts
you people are aware that this is a 2012 thread right?
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