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Sigh
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2433 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 09:21:03
December 18 2012 09:09 GMT
#1
I didn't see a topic for this yet, but pretty much Instagram has made a new policy in which it now has the right to sell the photos you upload onto their service without compensating you, or notifying you. Not only that, but they've created a policy that protects them from class lawsuits should they use your images(make them public) that you've made private. There is no way to opt out of this unless you delete your account by January 16.

Instagram said today that it has the perpetual right to sell users' photographs without payment or notification, a dramatic policy shift that quickly sparked a public outcry.
The new intellectual property policy, which takes effect on January 16, comes three months after Facebook completed its acquisition of the popular photo-sharing site. Unless Instagram users delete their accounts before the January deadline, they cannot opt out.

Under the new policy, Facebook claims the perpetual right to license all public Instagram photos to companies or any other organization, including for advertising purposes, which would effectively transform the Web site into the world's largest stock photo agency. One irked Twitter user quipped that "Instagram is now the new iStockPhoto, except they won't have to pay you anything to use your images."

"It's asking people to agree to unspecified future commercial use of their photos," says Kurt Opsahl, a senior staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation. "That makes it challenging for someone to give informed consent to that deal."
That means that a hotel in Hawaii, for instance, could write a check to Facebook to license photos taken at its resort and use them on its Web site, in TV ads, in glossy brochures, and so on -- without paying any money to the Instagram user who took the photo. The language would include not only photos of picturesque sunsets on Waikiki, but also images of young children frolicking on the beach, a result that parents might not expect, and which could trigger state privacy laws.
Facebook did not respond to repeated queries from CNET this afternoon. We'll update the article if we receive a response.
Another policy pitfall: If Instagram users continue to upload photos after January 16, 2013, and subsequently delete their account after the deadline, they may have granted Facebook an irrevocable right to sell those images in perpetuity. There's no obvious language that says deleting an account terminates Facebook's rights, EFF's Opsahl said.

Facebook's new rights to sell Instagram users' photos come from two additions to its terms of use policy. One section deletes the current phrase "limited license" and, by inserting the words "transferable" and "sub-licensable," allows Facebook to license users' photos to any other organization.

A second section allows Facebook to charge money. It says that "a business or other entity may pay us to display your... photos... in connection with paid or sponsored content or promotions, without any compensation to you." That language does not exist in the current terms of use.

Google's policy, by contrast, is far narrower and does not permit the company to sell photographs uploaded through Picasa or Google+. Its policy generally tracks the soon-to-be-replaced Instagram policy by saying: "The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our services." Yahoo's policies service for Flickr are similar, saying the company can use the images "solely for the purpose for which such content was submitted or made available."

Reginald Braithwaite, an author and software developer, posted a tongue-in-cheek "translation" of the new Instagram policy today: "You are not our customers, you are the cattle we drive to market and auction off to the highest bidder. Enjoy your feed and keep producing the milk."

One Instagram user dubbed the policy change "Instagram's suicide note." The PopPhoto.com photography site summarized the situation by saying: "The service itself is still a fun one, but that's a lot of red marks that have shown up over the past couple weeks. Many shooters -- even the casual ones -- probably aren't that excited to have a giant corporation out there selling their photos without being paid or even notified about it."

(Credit: Stephen Shankland/CNET)
Another unusual addition to Instagram's new policy appears to immunize it from liability, such as class action lawsuits, if it makes supposedly private photos public. The language stresses, twice in the same paragraph, that "we will not be liable for any use or disclosure of content" and "Instagram will not be liable for any use or disclosure of any content you provide."

Yet another addition says "you acknowledge that we may not always identify paid services, sponsored content, or commercial communications as such." That appears to conflict with the Federal Trade Commission's guidelines that say advertisements should be listed as advertisements.

Such sweeping intellectual property language has been invoked before: In 1999, Yahoo claimed all rights to Geocities using language strikingly similar to Facebook's wording today, including the "non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right" to do what it wanted with its users' text and photos. But in the face of widespread protest -- and competitors advertising that their own products were free from such Draconian terms -- Yahoo backed down about a week later.

It's true, of course, that Facebook may not intend to monetize the photos taken by Instagram users, and that lawyers often draft overly broad language to permit future business opportunities that may never arise. But on the other hand, there's no obvious language that would prohibit Facebook from taking those steps, and the company's silence in the face of questions today hasn't helped.
EFF's Opsahl says the new policy runs afoul of his group's voluntary best practices for social networks. He added: "Hopefully at some point we'll get greater clarity from Facebook and Instagram."


http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57559710-38/instagram-says-it-now-has-the-right-to-sell-your-photos/
http://www.slashgear.com/slashgear-101-does-instagram-own-my-photos-18261373/

This raises the question, does Instagram have the right to do this? Do the photo that you upload belong to them now? Or do you still have ownership?

Poll: Does Instagram have the right to sell your photos?

No, the images belong to you (359)
 
83%

Yes, it's their service (70)
 
16%

Other, explain (4)
 
1%

433 total votes

Your vote: Does Instagram have the right to sell your photos?

(Vote): Yes, it's their service
(Vote): No, the images belong to you
(Vote): Other, explain






Note: Instagram is kind of like facebook, except people upload and share their photos to people who follow them. Instagram is also owned by facebook.
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Nihilnovi
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden696 Posts
December 18 2012 09:13 GMT
#2
Well, there goes my account.

Not going to stand by some random company using my private images for marketing purposes.
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
December 18 2012 09:19 GMT
#3
Yeah, no. The pictures were uploaded under drastically different terms. There's no fucking way "we get your shit unless you opt out" can be legal.
My strategy is to fork people.
Wyk
Profile Joined March 2011
314 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 09:24:35
December 18 2012 09:23 GMT
#4
Well that is one less thing to worry about.
Oh wait, I am actually fat and ugly, therefore definitely not photogenic.
Solarist
Profile Joined September 2011
291 Posts
December 18 2012 09:24 GMT
#5
On December 18 2012 18:19 Severedevil wrote:
Yeah, no. The pictures were uploaded under drastically different terms. There's no fucking way "we get your shit unless you opt out" can be legal.


It actually is quite legal, its almost the same terms as with facebook. You dont own any of the information on your facebook, facebook owns it
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
December 18 2012 09:26 GMT
#6
I was kind of expecting this when facebook got their hands on it.
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Raithwall
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany2 Posts
December 18 2012 09:27 GMT
#7
I guess if every Facebook and Instagramm user would cancel their accounts in response to this, it might teach those big companies a lesson to never pull such a stunt ever again.
Beavo
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada293 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 09:28:37
December 18 2012 09:28 GMT
#8
So don't use their service anymore if you don't like their policies. Whats the big deal?
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 09:31:12
December 18 2012 09:30 GMT
#9
On December 18 2012 18:27 Raithwall wrote:
I guess if every Facebook and Instagramm user would cancel their accounts in response to this, it might teach those big companies a lesson to never pull such a stunt ever again.


As if getting everyone to delete their facebook account is realistic. Honestly I dunno what can be really done. Facebook can really do anything as long as it doesn't start charging users money etc etc and nobody can do anything about it. I feel like the only/best thing that can be done now is government intervention.
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Soda
Profile Joined December 2009
United States66 Posts
December 18 2012 09:35 GMT
#10
Not surprised honestly
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
December 18 2012 09:37 GMT
#11
On December 18 2012 18:28 Beavo wrote:
So don't use their service anymore if you don't like their policies. Whats the big deal?


Hehe indeed. Pretty interesting way with their change of policy I must say
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Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
December 18 2012 09:38 GMT
#12
That's what happens when you let a private company monitor your private life. Enjoy being violated over and over again until you learned just a little bit of html and create your own website ...
Solarist
Profile Joined September 2011
291 Posts
December 18 2012 09:38 GMT
#13
On December 18 2012 18:28 Beavo wrote:
So don't use their service anymore if you don't like their policies. Whats the big deal?


How else are my friends supposed to know what im eating presented in sepia tone?!!?!?!?!?!
Nacl(Draq)
Profile Joined February 2011
United States302 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 09:50:04
December 18 2012 09:43 GMT
#14
So if instagram owns the photos and there happens to be child pornography (such as someone who looks 18 but is actually 17 or a photo at a nude beach) on instagram in some quiet little corner, if it comes to light does that mean instagram is liable for that? Seeing as how they have made everyone their photographers and are paying the users via services.
It sounds like they are playing with a double edged sword, because you cannot sell what you don't own and if you have millions of people working for you without oversight of what they put up then you're bound to run into a lot of legal issues.

Aeropunk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia255 Posts
December 18 2012 09:44 GMT
#15
I think I'm just going to be sharing pics directly between friends rather than uploading them to any website pretty soon. Might be a good change to be not using any third party anything for a change.
Beavo
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada293 Posts
December 18 2012 10:05 GMT
#16
On December 18 2012 18:38 Solarist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 18:28 Beavo wrote:
So don't use their service anymore if you don't like their policies. Whats the big deal?


How else are my friends supposed to know what im eating presented in sepia tone?!!?!?!?!?!


Oh Shit!

Never thought of that. Raise hell instead!
No one remembers second place
Destro
Profile Joined September 2009
Netherlands1206 Posts
December 18 2012 10:07 GMT
#17
ehh doesnt facebook have the same rights? I kind of feel like any "free" service like that is doing this these days. not surprising in the least bit
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bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
December 18 2012 10:54 GMT
#18
What? I'm surprised this is actually legal. They can claim rights to images uploaded under a different policy if the user doesn't delete their account within the next few days? Pretty despicable move either way.
JKM
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark419 Posts
December 18 2012 11:01 GMT
#19
So they're going to sell people's private pictures of restaurant food? Let's make a big deal out of this!
1338, one upping 1337
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
December 18 2012 11:12 GMT
#20
I guess that was expected since Instagram wasnt presenting a direct revenue source for Facebook and fb needs to monetarize more to please shareholders
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