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dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
December 18 2012 21:51 GMT
#101
The shitty thing, is all the pictures of me that are up on facebook (minus my profile pic) are on other people profiles. I wonder how many pictures of me with my face in a bag of weed or pictures of me rolling joints there actually are... It's been a while since I checked facebook.
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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
December 18 2012 21:54 GMT
#102
On December 19 2012 06:42 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 06:16 Fenrax wrote:
very relevant:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/18/3780158/instagrams-new-terms-of-service-what-they-really-mean

this is going to get buried.... nobody wants to know the truth.


I am speechless. I think this may be the first Issue that I have ever agreed with you on :p

Did people really think that the people who own the servers that you put your data on have no rights to your data? There are limits to those rights, but when you put something on the internet you lose control of it.
ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
December 18 2012 21:55 GMT
#103
Turns out there is no such thing as a free lunch.
HorsemasterK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States606 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 22:04:23
December 18 2012 22:02 GMT
#104
I like how when I upload something to one of these services, they now own it, and when I download something, they still own it.

ToS wizardry.

edit: I guess this should be expected with 'free' services. They gotta make money somehow, and the ad model just isn't working online. I think the larger issue that people are responding to is the proclivity of Facebook and Facebook-owned companies to unilaterally change their ToS to allow themselves more latitude in monetizing user-generated content.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
December 18 2012 22:04 GMT
#105
On December 19 2012 07:02 HorsemasterK wrote:
I like how when I upload something to one of these services, they now own it, and when I download something, they still own it.

ToS wizardry.

edit: I guess this should be expected with 'free' services. They gotta make money somehow, and the ad model just isn't working online. I think the larger issue that people are responding to is the proclivity of Facebook and Facebook-owned companies to unilaterally change their ToS to allow themselves more latitude in monetizing user-generated content.

they dont own it; they can use it.
Enderfication
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Finland17 Posts
December 18 2012 22:05 GMT
#106
Facebook recently shut down my account because of some dispute with my carrier here in Finland. As a result, they asked me for my government issued photo ID as proof that I am me. I declined and requested them to delete my account, they didn't respond.

As a result, I havn't been on Facebook for a while and have no idea what is up with my account.

Instagram is just another cog in the attempted money machine. Zuckerberg pissed off a lot of investors when he shoot them in the face with his flop of a public sale and now he's attempting everything to make ammends.

Just my opinion.
Wheinlann!
HorsemasterK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States606 Posts
December 18 2012 22:10 GMT
#107
On December 19 2012 07:04 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 07:02 HorsemasterK wrote:
I like how when I upload something to one of these services, they now own it, and when I download something, they still own it.

ToS wizardry.

edit: I guess this should be expected with 'free' services. They gotta make money somehow, and the ad model just isn't working online. I think the larger issue that people are responding to is the proclivity of Facebook and Facebook-owned companies to unilaterally change their ToS to allow themselves more latitude in monetizing user-generated content.

they dont own it; they can use it.


Ownership involves making usage decisions about your property.

Now one can argue that this is the price paid for these services, but I would assert that now that this is being made apparent to users, they're deciding the service isn't worth it.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
December 18 2012 22:18 GMT
#108
On December 19 2012 07:10 HorsemasterK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 07:04 dAPhREAk wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:02 HorsemasterK wrote:
I like how when I upload something to one of these services, they now own it, and when I download something, they still own it.

ToS wizardry.

edit: I guess this should be expected with 'free' services. They gotta make money somehow, and the ad model just isn't working online. I think the larger issue that people are responding to is the proclivity of Facebook and Facebook-owned companies to unilaterally change their ToS to allow themselves more latitude in monetizing user-generated content.

they dont own it; they can use it.


Ownership involves making usage decisions about your property.

Now one can argue that this is the price paid for these services, but I would assert that now that this is being made apparent to users, they're deciding the service isn't worth it.

lol, what? by uploading you are saying they can use it, you arent saying they own it.....
HorsemasterK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States606 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 22:38:07
December 18 2012 22:36 GMT
#109
On December 19 2012 07:18 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 07:10 HorsemasterK wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:04 dAPhREAk wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:02 HorsemasterK wrote:
I like how when I upload something to one of these services, they now own it, and when I download something, they still own it.

ToS wizardry.

edit: I guess this should be expected with 'free' services. They gotta make money somehow, and the ad model just isn't working online. I think the larger issue that people are responding to is the proclivity of Facebook and Facebook-owned companies to unilaterally change their ToS to allow themselves more latitude in monetizing user-generated content.

they dont own it; they can use it.


Ownership involves making usage decisions about your property.

Now one can argue that this is the price paid for these services, but I would assert that now that this is being made apparent to users, they're deciding the service isn't worth it.

lol, what? by uploading you are saying they can use it, you arent saying they own it.....


What interests/confuses me is who DOES own this content?

edit: its certainly not the user, or they could tell Instagram how to use it.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
December 18 2012 22:39 GMT
#110
On December 19 2012 07:36 HorsemasterK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 07:18 dAPhREAk wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:10 HorsemasterK wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:04 dAPhREAk wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:02 HorsemasterK wrote:
I like how when I upload something to one of these services, they now own it, and when I download something, they still own it.

ToS wizardry.

edit: I guess this should be expected with 'free' services. They gotta make money somehow, and the ad model just isn't working online. I think the larger issue that people are responding to is the proclivity of Facebook and Facebook-owned companies to unilaterally change their ToS to allow themselves more latitude in monetizing user-generated content.

they dont own it; they can use it.


Ownership involves making usage decisions about your property.

Now one can argue that this is the price paid for these services, but I would assert that now that this is being made apparent to users, they're deciding the service isn't worth it.

lol, what? by uploading you are saying they can use it, you arent saying they own it.....


What interests/confuses me is who DOES own this content?

edit: its certainly not the user, or they could tell Instagram how to use it.

the photographer owns the "content." through the TOS, the photographer gives instagram the right (e.g., a license) to use the photographer's "content."
J_Slim
Profile Joined May 2011
United States199 Posts
December 18 2012 22:44 GMT
#111
On December 19 2012 06:51 dUTtrOACh wrote:
The shitty thing, is all the pictures of me that are up on facebook (minus my profile pic) are on other people profiles. I wonder how many pictures of me with my face in a bag of weed or pictures of me rolling joints there actually are... It's been a while since I checked facebook.


If that's the case then you have no one to blame but yourself for letting people take a picture of you rolling joints. You probably laughed and thought it was funny at the time.
And you're far from the only one posting pictures of themselves and friends doing illegal activities. The exact opposite of smart.
Legalize it!
Matoo-
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada1397 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 00:26:55
December 18 2012 23:47 GMT
#112
Always cracks me up how everytime a new privacy issue is raised regarding a SNS, the same people come out of the woodwork to rant about how SNS are the root of evil and how they never used one in their life and are so glad they didn't and everybody should do the same.

We're on TL. We've probably been exposed more than a few times in our life to the blind animosity that some people who don't understand nor love video games have against them. We could think better than behaving the same regarding SNS. Because some people find it shallow and stupid and have no use for it in their (awesome I'm sure) social lives doesn't mean that everyone does.

Just use it responsibly and keep enjoying the great services that you're provided with.
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
December 19 2012 01:11 GMT
#113
No one is obligated to host and share your images for you, if you don't like their new terms of service, delete your account. Simple as that.
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Ace.Xile
Profile Joined June 2011
United States286 Posts
December 19 2012 01:21 GMT
#114
What are people all of a sudden surprised about this? If you put your stuff on an internet site owned by a private company 99% of the time you've already signed on to saying they can use your stuff. This has been going on for years, why are people flipping out.
poor newb
Profile Joined April 2004
United States1879 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 01:34:14
December 19 2012 01:32 GMT
#115
a company went public and screws their customers over for every last penny they can get? should have seen this coming a mile away
How do you mine minerals?
Mstring
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia510 Posts
December 19 2012 01:45 GMT
#116
Giving someone a copy of a photo is like telling them a secret. One way to stop people telling your secrets, or to be compensated for them telling, is by threat of force (the legal system). A better way is to simply not tell certain people your secrets (i.e. delete your account).
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
December 19 2012 02:13 GMT
#117
On December 19 2012 10:32 poor newb wrote:
a company went public and screws their customers over for every last penny they can get? should have seen this coming a mile away

More like a company changes a few lines of legalese and no one bothers to figure out what it actually means, or what it actually entails, before starting a witch hunt about it.

For instance, lets look at TeamLiquid's ToS:
With respect to any content you elect to post on any area of the site, including blogs, forum comments and any and all other posts, you grant TeamLiquid a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to use and display such content worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology, without compensation or attribution to you.

Look familiar?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
December 19 2012 02:29 GMT
#118
--- Nuked ---
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 02:36:16
December 19 2012 02:35 GMT
#119
On December 19 2012 11:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 10:32 poor newb wrote:
a company went public and screws their customers over for every last penny they can get? should have seen this coming a mile away

More like a company changes a few lines of legalese and no one bothers to figure out what it actually means, or what it actually entails, before starting a witch hunt about it.

For instance, lets look at TeamLiquid's ToS:
Show nested quote +
With respect to any content you elect to post on any area of the site, including blogs, forum comments and any and all other posts, you grant TeamLiquid a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to use and display such content worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology, without compensation or attribution to you.

Look familiar?


Except... TL hasn't changed its TOS. That's the point of this thread, that the TOS is being changed. Effective January 16th infact.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
December 19 2012 03:01 GMT
#120
On December 19 2012 11:35 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 11:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On December 19 2012 10:32 poor newb wrote:
a company went public and screws their customers over for every last penny they can get? should have seen this coming a mile away

More like a company changes a few lines of legalese and no one bothers to figure out what it actually means, or what it actually entails, before starting a witch hunt about it.

For instance, lets look at TeamLiquid's ToS:
With respect to any content you elect to post on any area of the site, including blogs, forum comments and any and all other posts, you grant TeamLiquid a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to use and display such content worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology, without compensation or attribution to you.

Look familiar?


Except... TL hasn't changed its TOS. That's the point of this thread, that the TOS is being changed. Effective January 16th infact.

No, the point of this thread is a massive knee-jerk reaction that confuses several different licensing and rights issues.

Changing the TOS is not surprising in the slightest. In fact, if people actually stopped to read the TOS, they'd see they've already agreed to allow InstaGram to change their TOS.
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