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On December 25 2012 16:47 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:41 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:32 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:12 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. How do you get these numbers? Show news link plz, or you are a liar. You need a news link to remember a number from 2 weeks ago? Keyword "remember", and yes I do need news link, i'm old enough to be your dad, show me the news link. http://esfiworld.com/news/proleague-achieves-127-million-cumulative-viewsAlmost 20,000 vs between 10,000 and 5,000 depending on teams. Thought you have something new, what's the number for today's EG-TL match? can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number, show me the math. You need me to do basic maths for you now? Totalbiscuit said there was a decline in concurrent viewers by about 50-75% vs the first two weeks. The first two weeks had almost 20k viewers in certain matches. The current stream has 7k. Thats about 65%.
20k is the highest concurrent viewers, including both korean and english stream, today's highest number for English stream is well over 10 thousand, show me the math.
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On December 25 2012 16:48 ZerglingTwins wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 16:47 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:41 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:32 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:12 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. How do you get these numbers? Show news link plz, or you are a liar. You need a news link to remember a number from 2 weeks ago? Keyword "remember", and yes I do need news link, i'm old enough to be your dad, show me the news link. http://esfiworld.com/news/proleague-achieves-127-million-cumulative-viewsAlmost 20,000 vs between 10,000 and 5,000 depending on teams. Thought you have something new, what's the number for today's EG-TL match? can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number, show me the math. You need me to do basic maths for you now? Totalbiscuit said there was a decline in concurrent viewers by about 50-75% vs the first two weeks. The first two weeks had almost 20k viewers in certain matches. The current stream has 7k. Thats about 65%. 20k is the highest concurrent viewers, including both korean and english stream, today's highest number for English stream is well over 10 thousand, show me the math.
20K to 10K is 50%, "well over 10K"... like 12K? like 15K? That's still within the "50 to 75%" he quoted... so what's your point... That is the math!!!
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On December 25 2012 16:47 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:41 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:32 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:12 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. How do you get these numbers? Show news link plz, or you are a liar. You need a news link to remember a number from 2 weeks ago? Keyword "remember", and yes I do need news link, i'm old enough to be your dad, show me the news link. http://esfiworld.com/news/proleague-achieves-127-million-cumulative-viewsAlmost 20,000 vs between 10,000 and 5,000 depending on teams. Thought you have something new, 20 thousand is the highest concurrent viewer number, what's the number for today's EG-TL match, and what's the korean stream concurrent viewer number today? Combine them together, can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number? Show me the math. From what I get, today's EG-TL match peaked at around 11k viewers during the Ace match. It can be a little bit higher, though. But if it's really around 11k then it's around 45% drop (11k/20k*100 = 55%).
Need to combine with Korean stream number first though.
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On December 25 2012 16:48 ZerglingTwins wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 16:47 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:41 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:32 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:12 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. How do you get these numbers? Show news link plz, or you are a liar. You need a news link to remember a number from 2 weeks ago? Keyword "remember", and yes I do need news link, i'm old enough to be your dad, show me the news link. http://esfiworld.com/news/proleague-achieves-127-million-cumulative-viewsAlmost 20,000 vs between 10,000 and 5,000 depending on teams. Thought you have something new, what's the number for today's EG-TL match? can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number, show me the math. You need me to do basic maths for you now? Totalbiscuit said there was a decline in concurrent viewers by about 50-75% vs the first two weeks. The first two weeks had almost 20k viewers in certain matches. The current stream has 7k. Thats about 65%. 20k is the highest concurrent viewers, including both korean and english stream, today's highest number for English stream is well over 10 thousand, show me the math.
How is it including both the english and korean? Whatever you are clearly right.
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On December 25 2012 16:49 Winterfell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:41 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:32 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:12 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. How do you get these numbers? Show news link plz, or you are a liar. You need a news link to remember a number from 2 weeks ago? Keyword "remember", and yes I do need news link, i'm old enough to be your dad, show me the news link. http://esfiworld.com/news/proleague-achieves-127-million-cumulative-viewsAlmost 20,000 vs between 10,000 and 5,000 depending on teams. Thought you have something new, what's the number for today's EG-TL match? can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number, show me the math. You asked for "a news link plz, or you are a liar", and he gave you one, and my observation of 7K was at the very tail end of the EGTL match. Some may have left already, but not many I think... casters were still talking. So 20K to 7K is loss of about 65%...
20k is highest concurrent viewer number with english and Korean stream together. 7k is definitely not highest number for today's english stream number, it is over 11k on english stream.
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On December 25 2012 16:49 Winterfell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 16:48 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:47 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:41 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:32 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:12 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. How do you get these numbers? Show news link plz, or you are a liar. You need a news link to remember a number from 2 weeks ago? Keyword "remember", and yes I do need news link, i'm old enough to be your dad, show me the news link. http://esfiworld.com/news/proleague-achieves-127-million-cumulative-viewsAlmost 20,000 vs between 10,000 and 5,000 depending on teams. Thought you have something new, what's the number for today's EG-TL match? can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number, show me the math. You need me to do basic maths for you now? Totalbiscuit said there was a decline in concurrent viewers by about 50-75% vs the first two weeks. The first two weeks had almost 20k viewers in certain matches. The current stream has 7k. Thats about 65%. 20k is the highest concurrent viewers, including both korean and english stream, today's highest number for English stream is well over 10 thousand, show me the math. 20K to 10K is 50%, "well over 10K"... like 12K? like 15K? That's still within the "50 to 75%" he quoted... so what's your point... That is the math!!!
Combine with Korean stream number first plz. And even just compared to English stream, it is about 40% probably. My point is TB's post is totally biased, and misleading people with his name recognition.
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On December 25 2012 16:49 ZerglingTwins wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 16:47 Veldril wrote:On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:41 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:32 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:12 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. How do you get these numbers? Show news link plz, or you are a liar. You need a news link to remember a number from 2 weeks ago? Keyword "remember", and yes I do need news link, i'm old enough to be your dad, show me the news link. http://esfiworld.com/news/proleague-achieves-127-million-cumulative-viewsAlmost 20,000 vs between 10,000 and 5,000 depending on teams. Thought you have something new, 20 thousand is the highest concurrent viewer number, what's the number for today's EG-TL match, and what's the korean stream concurrent viewer number today? Combine them together, can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number? Show me the math. From what I get, today's EG-TL match peaked at around 11k viewers during the Ace match. It can be a little bit higher, though. But if it's really around 11k then it's around 45% drop (11k/20k*100 = 55%). Need to combine with Korean stream number first though.
I don't really think that's necessary, since the 20k was reported for the English stream on the first week. So you can compare the number directly. For the cumulative view is another story, though.
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On December 25 2012 16:08 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. That's neither true nor is it a fair statement. Of course viewer numbers are going to drop from the beginning. Views were much higher initially because it was the return of Proleague, EG/TL made their debut, there was a big announcement about it on here, it was the first all Starcraft 2 Proleague, etc. Nobody expected that they'd stay that high. Additionally, it largely depends on the match up. EG/TL vs KT will obviously garner more views than STX vs Khan. Taking into account the assumed disparity from match to match, 50-75% is an exaggeration.
I see this one is still going. -_-
Have to agree with GM on this one TB and not only that you want to talk about paying dues and not learning your craft on the fly? Give me a break. If you weren't aware SNM has been doing BW casts for a while and those numbers fluctuate because you're looking at the EG-TL games where all the fanboys jump in because they're curious and look at the hype wagon. Now I've been super harsh on casters like Kelly Milkies because I find the ability to articulate & enunciate your ideas should be one of the most important things when it comes to being a broadcaster. As for sinking your teeth in and paying your dues you do that on the fly. You guys have learned a ton of crap that way. Apollo and Husky learned a ridiculous amount after their first cast. What about Incontrol and the NASL deal? Yeah, you get your first big gig and you learn a ton about the business and yourself.
On December 25 2012 16:47 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:41 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:32 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:12 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. How do you get these numbers? Show news link plz, or you are a liar. You need a news link to remember a number from 2 weeks ago? Keyword "remember", and yes I do need news link, i'm old enough to be your dad, show me the news link. http://esfiworld.com/news/proleague-achieves-127-million-cumulative-viewsAlmost 20,000 vs between 10,000 and 5,000 depending on teams. Thought you have something new, 20 thousand is the highest concurrent viewer number, what's the number for today's EG-TL match, and what's the korean stream concurrent viewer number today? Combine them together, can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number? Show me the math. From what I get, today's EG-TL match peaked at around 11k viewers during the Ace match. It can be a little bit higher, though. But if it's really around 11k then it's around 45% drop (11k/20k*100 = 55%).
That's funny. For me it went over 12k and you guys are basing it off of two weeks difference from when KeSPA took over. I'd consider Launch also a peak of curiosity. People want to check it out and then we also have expectations and hype not to mention the match-up draws.
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On December 25 2012 16:52 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 16:08 GolemMadness wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. That's neither true nor is it a fair statement. Of course viewer numbers are going to drop from the beginning. Views were much higher initially because it was the return of Proleague, EG/TL made their debut, there was a big announcement about it on here, it was the first all Starcraft 2 Proleague, etc. Nobody expected that they'd stay that high. Additionally, it largely depends on the match up. EG/TL vs KT will obviously garner more views than STX vs Khan. Taking into account the assumed disparity from match to match, 50-75% is an exaggeration. I see this one is still going. -_- Have to agree with GM on this one TB and not only that you want to talk about paying dues and not learning your craft on the fly? Give me a break. If you weren't aware SNM has been doing BW casts for a while and those numbers fluctuate because you're looking at the EG-TL games where all the fanboys jump in because they're curious so give me a break. Now I've been super harsh on casters like Kelly Milkies because I find the ability to articulate & enunciate your ideas should be one of the most important things when it comes to being a broadcaster. As for sinking your teeth in and paying your dues you do that on the fly. You guys have learned a ton of crap that way. Apollo and Husky learned a ridiculous amount after their first cast. What about Incontrol and the NASL deal? Yeah, you get your first big gig and you learn a ton about the business and yourself. Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 16:47 Veldril wrote:On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:41 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:32 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:12 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. How do you get these numbers? Show news link plz, or you are a liar. You need a news link to remember a number from 2 weeks ago? Keyword "remember", and yes I do need news link, i'm old enough to be your dad, show me the news link. http://esfiworld.com/news/proleague-achieves-127-million-cumulative-viewsAlmost 20,000 vs between 10,000 and 5,000 depending on teams. Thought you have something new, 20 thousand is the highest concurrent viewer number, what's the number for today's EG-TL match, and what's the korean stream concurrent viewer number today? Combine them together, can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number? Show me the math. From what I get, today's EG-TL match peaked at around 11k viewers during the Ace match. It can be a little bit higher, though. But if it's really around 11k then it's around 45% drop (11k/20k*100 = 55%). That's funny. For me it went over 12k and you guys are basing it off of two weeks difference from when KeSPA took over.
A 50-75% drop in two weeks is probably something to raise eyebrows over.
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On December 25 2012 16:57 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 16:52 StarStruck wrote:On December 25 2012 16:08 GolemMadness wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. That's neither true nor is it a fair statement. Of course viewer numbers are going to drop from the beginning. Views were much higher initially because it was the return of Proleague, EG/TL made their debut, there was a big announcement about it on here, it was the first all Starcraft 2 Proleague, etc. Nobody expected that they'd stay that high. Additionally, it largely depends on the match up. EG/TL vs KT will obviously garner more views than STX vs Khan. Taking into account the assumed disparity from match to match, 50-75% is an exaggeration. I see this one is still going. -_- Have to agree with GM on this one TB and not only that you want to talk about paying dues and not learning your craft on the fly? Give me a break. If you weren't aware SNM has been doing BW casts for a while and those numbers fluctuate because you're looking at the EG-TL games where all the fanboys jump in because they're curious so give me a break. Now I've been super harsh on casters like Kelly Milkies because I find the ability to articulate & enunciate your ideas should be one of the most important things when it comes to being a broadcaster. As for sinking your teeth in and paying your dues you do that on the fly. You guys have learned a ton of crap that way. Apollo and Husky learned a ridiculous amount after their first cast. What about Incontrol and the NASL deal? Yeah, you get your first big gig and you learn a ton about the business and yourself. On December 25 2012 16:47 Veldril wrote:On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:41 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:32 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:12 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. How do you get these numbers? Show news link plz, or you are a liar. You need a news link to remember a number from 2 weeks ago? Keyword "remember", and yes I do need news link, i'm old enough to be your dad, show me the news link. http://esfiworld.com/news/proleague-achieves-127-million-cumulative-viewsAlmost 20,000 vs between 10,000 and 5,000 depending on teams. Thought you have something new, 20 thousand is the highest concurrent viewer number, what's the number for today's EG-TL match, and what's the korean stream concurrent viewer number today? Combine them together, can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number? Show me the math. From what I get, today's EG-TL match peaked at around 11k viewers during the Ace match. It can be a little bit higher, though. But if it's really around 11k then it's around 45% drop (11k/20k*100 = 55%). That's funny. For me it went over 12k and you guys are basing it off of two weeks difference from when KeSPA took over. A 50-75% drop in two weeks is probably something to raise eyebrows over.
Except it is not truth.
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On December 25 2012 16:57 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 16:52 StarStruck wrote:On December 25 2012 16:08 GolemMadness wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. That's neither true nor is it a fair statement. Of course viewer numbers are going to drop from the beginning. Views were much higher initially because it was the return of Proleague, EG/TL made their debut, there was a big announcement about it on here, it was the first all Starcraft 2 Proleague, etc. Nobody expected that they'd stay that high. Additionally, it largely depends on the match up. EG/TL vs KT will obviously garner more views than STX vs Khan. Taking into account the assumed disparity from match to match, 50-75% is an exaggeration. I see this one is still going. -_- Have to agree with GM on this one TB and not only that you want to talk about paying dues and not learning your craft on the fly? Give me a break. If you weren't aware SNM has been doing BW casts for a while and those numbers fluctuate because you're looking at the EG-TL games where all the fanboys jump in because they're curious so give me a break. Now I've been super harsh on casters like Kelly Milkies because I find the ability to articulate & enunciate your ideas should be one of the most important things when it comes to being a broadcaster. As for sinking your teeth in and paying your dues you do that on the fly. You guys have learned a ton of crap that way. Apollo and Husky learned a ridiculous amount after their first cast. What about Incontrol and the NASL deal? Yeah, you get your first big gig and you learn a ton about the business and yourself. On December 25 2012 16:47 Veldril wrote:On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:41 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:32 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:12 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. How do you get these numbers? Show news link plz, or you are a liar. You need a news link to remember a number from 2 weeks ago? Keyword "remember", and yes I do need news link, i'm old enough to be your dad, show me the news link. http://esfiworld.com/news/proleague-achieves-127-million-cumulative-viewsAlmost 20,000 vs between 10,000 and 5,000 depending on teams. Thought you have something new, 20 thousand is the highest concurrent viewer number, what's the number for today's EG-TL match, and what's the korean stream concurrent viewer number today? Combine them together, can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number? Show me the math. From what I get, today's EG-TL match peaked at around 11k viewers during the Ace match. It can be a little bit higher, though. But if it's really around 11k then it's around 45% drop (11k/20k*100 = 55%). That's funny. For me it went over 12k and you guys are basing it off of two weeks difference from when KeSPA took over. A 50-75% drop in two weeks is probably something to raise eyebrows over.
There are other explanations and you need a longer period of time to draw such conclusions buck-o. I just explained a few of them.
On December 25 2012 16:57 ZerglingTwins wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 16:57 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:52 StarStruck wrote:On December 25 2012 16:08 GolemMadness wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. That's neither true nor is it a fair statement. Of course viewer numbers are going to drop from the beginning. Views were much higher initially because it was the return of Proleague, EG/TL made their debut, there was a big announcement about it on here, it was the first all Starcraft 2 Proleague, etc. Nobody expected that they'd stay that high. Additionally, it largely depends on the match up. EG/TL vs KT will obviously garner more views than STX vs Khan. Taking into account the assumed disparity from match to match, 50-75% is an exaggeration. I see this one is still going. -_- Have to agree with GM on this one TB and not only that you want to talk about paying dues and not learning your craft on the fly? Give me a break. If you weren't aware SNM has been doing BW casts for a while and those numbers fluctuate because you're looking at the EG-TL games where all the fanboys jump in because they're curious so give me a break. Now I've been super harsh on casters like Kelly Milkies because I find the ability to articulate & enunciate your ideas should be one of the most important things when it comes to being a broadcaster. As for sinking your teeth in and paying your dues you do that on the fly. You guys have learned a ton of crap that way. Apollo and Husky learned a ridiculous amount after their first cast. What about Incontrol and the NASL deal? Yeah, you get your first big gig and you learn a ton about the business and yourself. On December 25 2012 16:47 Veldril wrote:On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:41 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:32 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:12 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game.
I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. How do you get these numbers? Show news link plz, or you are a liar. You need a news link to remember a number from 2 weeks ago? Keyword "remember", and yes I do need news link, i'm old enough to be your dad, show me the news link. http://esfiworld.com/news/proleague-achieves-127-million-cumulative-viewsAlmost 20,000 vs between 10,000 and 5,000 depending on teams. Thought you have something new, 20 thousand is the highest concurrent viewer number, what's the number for today's EG-TL match, and what's the korean stream concurrent viewer number today? Combine them together, can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number? Show me the math. From what I get, today's EG-TL match peaked at around 11k viewers during the Ace match. It can be a little bit higher, though. But if it's really around 11k then it's around 45% drop (11k/20k*100 = 55%). That's funny. For me it went over 12k and you guys are basing it off of two weeks difference from when KeSPA took over. A 50-75% drop in two weeks is probably something to raise eyebrows over. Except it is not truth.
They want WWE-like Nielsen ratings for every forty-five minutes of the show. :V
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On December 25 2012 16:57 ZerglingTwins wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 16:57 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:52 StarStruck wrote:On December 25 2012 16:08 GolemMadness wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. That's neither true nor is it a fair statement. Of course viewer numbers are going to drop from the beginning. Views were much higher initially because it was the return of Proleague, EG/TL made their debut, there was a big announcement about it on here, it was the first all Starcraft 2 Proleague, etc. Nobody expected that they'd stay that high. Additionally, it largely depends on the match up. EG/TL vs KT will obviously garner more views than STX vs Khan. Taking into account the assumed disparity from match to match, 50-75% is an exaggeration. I see this one is still going. -_- Have to agree with GM on this one TB and not only that you want to talk about paying dues and not learning your craft on the fly? Give me a break. If you weren't aware SNM has been doing BW casts for a while and those numbers fluctuate because you're looking at the EG-TL games where all the fanboys jump in because they're curious so give me a break. Now I've been super harsh on casters like Kelly Milkies because I find the ability to articulate & enunciate your ideas should be one of the most important things when it comes to being a broadcaster. As for sinking your teeth in and paying your dues you do that on the fly. You guys have learned a ton of crap that way. Apollo and Husky learned a ridiculous amount after their first cast. What about Incontrol and the NASL deal? Yeah, you get your first big gig and you learn a ton about the business and yourself. On December 25 2012 16:47 Veldril wrote:On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:41 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:32 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:12 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game.
I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. How do you get these numbers? Show news link plz, or you are a liar. You need a news link to remember a number from 2 weeks ago? Keyword "remember", and yes I do need news link, i'm old enough to be your dad, show me the news link. http://esfiworld.com/news/proleague-achieves-127-million-cumulative-viewsAlmost 20,000 vs between 10,000 and 5,000 depending on teams. Thought you have something new, 20 thousand is the highest concurrent viewer number, what's the number for today's EG-TL match, and what's the korean stream concurrent viewer number today? Combine them together, can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number? Show me the math. From what I get, today's EG-TL match peaked at around 11k viewers during the Ace match. It can be a little bit higher, though. But if it's really around 11k then it's around 45% drop (11k/20k*100 = 55%). That's funny. For me it went over 12k and you guys are basing it off of two weeks difference from when KeSPA took over. A 50-75% drop in two weeks is probably something to raise eyebrows over. Except it is not truth.
A 19k to 7k change in viewership cannot be argued against, no matter what you try to say. It's a number.
On December 25 2012 16:58 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 16:57 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:52 StarStruck wrote:On December 25 2012 16:08 GolemMadness wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. That's neither true nor is it a fair statement. Of course viewer numbers are going to drop from the beginning. Views were much higher initially because it was the return of Proleague, EG/TL made their debut, there was a big announcement about it on here, it was the first all Starcraft 2 Proleague, etc. Nobody expected that they'd stay that high. Additionally, it largely depends on the match up. EG/TL vs KT will obviously garner more views than STX vs Khan. Taking into account the assumed disparity from match to match, 50-75% is an exaggeration. I see this one is still going. -_- Have to agree with GM on this one TB and not only that you want to talk about paying dues and not learning your craft on the fly? Give me a break. If you weren't aware SNM has been doing BW casts for a while and those numbers fluctuate because you're looking at the EG-TL games where all the fanboys jump in because they're curious so give me a break. Now I've been super harsh on casters like Kelly Milkies because I find the ability to articulate & enunciate your ideas should be one of the most important things when it comes to being a broadcaster. As for sinking your teeth in and paying your dues you do that on the fly. You guys have learned a ton of crap that way. Apollo and Husky learned a ridiculous amount after their first cast. What about Incontrol and the NASL deal? Yeah, you get your first big gig and you learn a ton about the business and yourself. On December 25 2012 16:47 Veldril wrote:On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:41 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:32 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:12 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game.
I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. How do you get these numbers? Show news link plz, or you are a liar. You need a news link to remember a number from 2 weeks ago? Keyword "remember", and yes I do need news link, i'm old enough to be your dad, show me the news link. http://esfiworld.com/news/proleague-achieves-127-million-cumulative-viewsAlmost 20,000 vs between 10,000 and 5,000 depending on teams. Thought you have something new, 20 thousand is the highest concurrent viewer number, what's the number for today's EG-TL match, and what's the korean stream concurrent viewer number today? Combine them together, can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number? Show me the math. From what I get, today's EG-TL match peaked at around 11k viewers during the Ace match. It can be a little bit higher, though. But if it's really around 11k then it's around 45% drop (11k/20k*100 = 55%). That's funny. For me it went over 12k and you guys are basing it off of two weeks difference from when KeSPA took over. A 50-75% drop in two weeks is probably something to raise eyebrows over. There are other explanations and you need a longer period of time to draw such conclusions buck-o. I just explained a few of them.
Explaining a drop in viewership really doesn't make it a good thing. And what conclusions did I even put in, apart from its probably something to raise eyebrows over?
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On December 25 2012 16:52 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +
From what I get, today's EG-TL match peaked at around 11k viewers during the Ace match. It can be a little bit higher, though.
But if it's really around 11k then it's around 45% drop (11k/20k*100 = 55%).
That's funny. For me it went over 12k and you guys are basing it off of two weeks difference from when KeSPA took over.
Well, like I said it can be slightly higher because I did not checked the number all the time because the game was tense. But is there any big drop from the first week? There is but I don't really think that casters are the only reasons, although it could be one of the bigger factor that make people move from English to Korean stream.
Don't get me wrong, I think they are not good but can improve if given time. But if we want to look compare the statistic then there's definitely a difference. Finding a reason behind the decline is another story, though.
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On December 25 2012 17:00 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 16:57 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:57 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:52 StarStruck wrote:On December 25 2012 16:08 GolemMadness wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. That's neither true nor is it a fair statement. Of course viewer numbers are going to drop from the beginning. Views were much higher initially because it was the return of Proleague, EG/TL made their debut, there was a big announcement about it on here, it was the first all Starcraft 2 Proleague, etc. Nobody expected that they'd stay that high. Additionally, it largely depends on the match up. EG/TL vs KT will obviously garner more views than STX vs Khan. Taking into account the assumed disparity from match to match, 50-75% is an exaggeration. I see this one is still going. -_- Have to agree with GM on this one TB and not only that you want to talk about paying dues and not learning your craft on the fly? Give me a break. If you weren't aware SNM has been doing BW casts for a while and those numbers fluctuate because you're looking at the EG-TL games where all the fanboys jump in because they're curious so give me a break. Now I've been super harsh on casters like Kelly Milkies because I find the ability to articulate & enunciate your ideas should be one of the most important things when it comes to being a broadcaster. As for sinking your teeth in and paying your dues you do that on the fly. You guys have learned a ton of crap that way. Apollo and Husky learned a ridiculous amount after their first cast. What about Incontrol and the NASL deal? Yeah, you get your first big gig and you learn a ton about the business and yourself. On December 25 2012 16:47 Veldril wrote:On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:41 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:32 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:12 ZerglingTwins wrote:
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How do you get these numbers? Show news link plz, or you are a liar. You need a news link to remember a number from 2 weeks ago? Keyword "remember", and yes I do need news link, i'm old enough to be your dad, show me the news link. http://esfiworld.com/news/proleague-achieves-127-million-cumulative-viewsAlmost 20,000 vs between 10,000 and 5,000 depending on teams. Thought you have something new, 20 thousand is the highest concurrent viewer number, what's the number for today's EG-TL match, and what's the korean stream concurrent viewer number today? Combine them together, can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number? Show me the math. From what I get, today's EG-TL match peaked at around 11k viewers during the Ace match. It can be a little bit higher, though. But if it's really around 11k then it's around 45% drop (11k/20k*100 = 55%). That's funny. For me it went over 12k and you guys are basing it off of two weeks difference from when KeSPA took over. A 50-75% drop in two weeks is probably something to raise eyebrows over. Except it is not truth. A 19k to 7k change in viewership cannot be argued against, no matter what you try to say. It's a number. Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 16:58 StarStruck wrote:On December 25 2012 16:57 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:52 StarStruck wrote:On December 25 2012 16:08 GolemMadness wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. That's neither true nor is it a fair statement. Of course viewer numbers are going to drop from the beginning. Views were much higher initially because it was the return of Proleague, EG/TL made their debut, there was a big announcement about it on here, it was the first all Starcraft 2 Proleague, etc. Nobody expected that they'd stay that high. Additionally, it largely depends on the match up. EG/TL vs KT will obviously garner more views than STX vs Khan. Taking into account the assumed disparity from match to match, 50-75% is an exaggeration. I see this one is still going. -_- Have to agree with GM on this one TB and not only that you want to talk about paying dues and not learning your craft on the fly? Give me a break. If you weren't aware SNM has been doing BW casts for a while and those numbers fluctuate because you're looking at the EG-TL games where all the fanboys jump in because they're curious so give me a break. Now I've been super harsh on casters like Kelly Milkies because I find the ability to articulate & enunciate your ideas should be one of the most important things when it comes to being a broadcaster. As for sinking your teeth in and paying your dues you do that on the fly. You guys have learned a ton of crap that way. Apollo and Husky learned a ridiculous amount after their first cast. What about Incontrol and the NASL deal? Yeah, you get your first big gig and you learn a ton about the business and yourself. On December 25 2012 16:47 Veldril wrote:On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:41 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:32 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:12 ZerglingTwins wrote:
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How do you get these numbers? Show news link plz, or you are a liar. You need a news link to remember a number from 2 weeks ago? Keyword "remember", and yes I do need news link, i'm old enough to be your dad, show me the news link. http://esfiworld.com/news/proleague-achieves-127-million-cumulative-viewsAlmost 20,000 vs between 10,000 and 5,000 depending on teams. Thought you have something new, 20 thousand is the highest concurrent viewer number, what's the number for today's EG-TL match, and what's the korean stream concurrent viewer number today? Combine them together, can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number? Show me the math. From what I get, today's EG-TL match peaked at around 11k viewers during the Ace match. It can be a little bit higher, though. But if it's really around 11k then it's around 45% drop (11k/20k*100 = 55%). That's funny. For me it went over 12k and you guys are basing it off of two weeks difference from when KeSPA took over. A 50-75% drop in two weeks is probably something to raise eyebrows over. There are other explanations and you need a longer period of time to draw such conclusions buck-o. I just explained a few of them. Explaining a drop in viewership really doesn't make it a good thing. And what conclusions did I even put in, apart from its probably something to raise eyebrows over?
19k, ok from news. how do you get the 7k number? like multiple people stated, today's highest viewer number is over 11k, or you have bad memories like me. Or you only watch stream after matches are finished.
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This Flying vs. Trap broadcast is pretty awful. I was facepalming when they had no idea what TaeJa was doing in the TvP - it's a pretty standard build to hit an 11-12 minute 5rax Medivac timing.
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On December 25 2012 17:03 ZerglingTwins wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 17:00 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:57 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:57 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:52 StarStruck wrote:On December 25 2012 16:08 GolemMadness wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. That's neither true nor is it a fair statement. Of course viewer numbers are going to drop from the beginning. Views were much higher initially because it was the return of Proleague, EG/TL made their debut, there was a big announcement about it on here, it was the first all Starcraft 2 Proleague, etc. Nobody expected that they'd stay that high. Additionally, it largely depends on the match up. EG/TL vs KT will obviously garner more views than STX vs Khan. Taking into account the assumed disparity from match to match, 50-75% is an exaggeration. I see this one is still going. -_- Have to agree with GM on this one TB and not only that you want to talk about paying dues and not learning your craft on the fly? Give me a break. If you weren't aware SNM has been doing BW casts for a while and those numbers fluctuate because you're looking at the EG-TL games where all the fanboys jump in because they're curious so give me a break. Now I've been super harsh on casters like Kelly Milkies because I find the ability to articulate & enunciate your ideas should be one of the most important things when it comes to being a broadcaster. As for sinking your teeth in and paying your dues you do that on the fly. You guys have learned a ton of crap that way. Apollo and Husky learned a ridiculous amount after their first cast. What about Incontrol and the NASL deal? Yeah, you get your first big gig and you learn a ton about the business and yourself. On December 25 2012 16:47 Veldril wrote:On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:41 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:32 bo1b wrote:
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You need a news link to remember a number from 2 weeks ago? Keyword "remember", and yes I do need news link, i'm old enough to be your dad, show me the news link. http://esfiworld.com/news/proleague-achieves-127-million-cumulative-viewsAlmost 20,000 vs between 10,000 and 5,000 depending on teams. Thought you have something new, 20 thousand is the highest concurrent viewer number, what's the number for today's EG-TL match, and what's the korean stream concurrent viewer number today? Combine them together, can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number? Show me the math. From what I get, today's EG-TL match peaked at around 11k viewers during the Ace match. It can be a little bit higher, though. But if it's really around 11k then it's around 45% drop (11k/20k*100 = 55%). That's funny. For me it went over 12k and you guys are basing it off of two weeks difference from when KeSPA took over. A 50-75% drop in two weeks is probably something to raise eyebrows over. Except it is not truth. A 19k to 7k change in viewership cannot be argued against, no matter what you try to say. It's a number. On December 25 2012 16:58 StarStruck wrote:On December 25 2012 16:57 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:52 StarStruck wrote:On December 25 2012 16:08 GolemMadness wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. That's neither true nor is it a fair statement. Of course viewer numbers are going to drop from the beginning. Views were much higher initially because it was the return of Proleague, EG/TL made their debut, there was a big announcement about it on here, it was the first all Starcraft 2 Proleague, etc. Nobody expected that they'd stay that high. Additionally, it largely depends on the match up. EG/TL vs KT will obviously garner more views than STX vs Khan. Taking into account the assumed disparity from match to match, 50-75% is an exaggeration. I see this one is still going. -_- Have to agree with GM on this one TB and not only that you want to talk about paying dues and not learning your craft on the fly? Give me a break. If you weren't aware SNM has been doing BW casts for a while and those numbers fluctuate because you're looking at the EG-TL games where all the fanboys jump in because they're curious so give me a break. Now I've been super harsh on casters like Kelly Milkies because I find the ability to articulate & enunciate your ideas should be one of the most important things when it comes to being a broadcaster. As for sinking your teeth in and paying your dues you do that on the fly. You guys have learned a ton of crap that way. Apollo and Husky learned a ridiculous amount after their first cast. What about Incontrol and the NASL deal? Yeah, you get your first big gig and you learn a ton about the business and yourself. On December 25 2012 16:47 Veldril wrote:On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:41 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:32 bo1b wrote:
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You need a news link to remember a number from 2 weeks ago? Keyword "remember", and yes I do need news link, i'm old enough to be your dad, show me the news link. http://esfiworld.com/news/proleague-achieves-127-million-cumulative-viewsAlmost 20,000 vs between 10,000 and 5,000 depending on teams. Thought you have something new, 20 thousand is the highest concurrent viewer number, what's the number for today's EG-TL match, and what's the korean stream concurrent viewer number today? Combine them together, can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number? Show me the math. From what I get, today's EG-TL match peaked at around 11k viewers during the Ace match. It can be a little bit higher, though. But if it's really around 11k then it's around 45% drop (11k/20k*100 = 55%). That's funny. For me it went over 12k and you guys are basing it off of two weeks difference from when KeSPA took over. A 50-75% drop in two weeks is probably something to raise eyebrows over. There are other explanations and you need a longer period of time to draw such conclusions buck-o. I just explained a few of them. Explaining a drop in viewership really doesn't make it a good thing. And what conclusions did I even put in, apart from its probably something to raise eyebrows over? 19k, ok from news. how do you get the 7k number? like multiple people stated, today's highest viewer number is over 11k, or you have bad memories like me. Or you only watch stream after matches are finished.
Fair enough, 19k to 11k is like 45%. It's still worrying.
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On December 25 2012 17:04 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 17:03 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 17:00 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:57 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:57 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:52 StarStruck wrote:On December 25 2012 16:08 GolemMadness wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. That's neither true nor is it a fair statement. Of course viewer numbers are going to drop from the beginning. Views were much higher initially because it was the return of Proleague, EG/TL made their debut, there was a big announcement about it on here, it was the first all Starcraft 2 Proleague, etc. Nobody expected that they'd stay that high. Additionally, it largely depends on the match up. EG/TL vs KT will obviously garner more views than STX vs Khan. Taking into account the assumed disparity from match to match, 50-75% is an exaggeration. I see this one is still going. -_- Have to agree with GM on this one TB and not only that you want to talk about paying dues and not learning your craft on the fly? Give me a break. If you weren't aware SNM has been doing BW casts for a while and those numbers fluctuate because you're looking at the EG-TL games where all the fanboys jump in because they're curious so give me a break. Now I've been super harsh on casters like Kelly Milkies because I find the ability to articulate & enunciate your ideas should be one of the most important things when it comes to being a broadcaster. As for sinking your teeth in and paying your dues you do that on the fly. You guys have learned a ton of crap that way. Apollo and Husky learned a ridiculous amount after their first cast. What about Incontrol and the NASL deal? Yeah, you get your first big gig and you learn a ton about the business and yourself. On December 25 2012 16:47 Veldril wrote:On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:Thought you have something new, 20 thousand is the highest concurrent viewer number, what's the number for today's EG-TL match, and what's the korean stream concurrent viewer number today? Combine them together, can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number? Show me the math. From what I get, today's EG-TL match peaked at around 11k viewers during the Ace match. It can be a little bit higher, though. But if it's really around 11k then it's around 45% drop (11k/20k*100 = 55%). That's funny. For me it went over 12k and you guys are basing it off of two weeks difference from when KeSPA took over. A 50-75% drop in two weeks is probably something to raise eyebrows over. Except it is not truth. A 19k to 7k change in viewership cannot be argued against, no matter what you try to say. It's a number. On December 25 2012 16:58 StarStruck wrote:On December 25 2012 16:57 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:52 StarStruck wrote:On December 25 2012 16:08 GolemMadness wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. That's neither true nor is it a fair statement. Of course viewer numbers are going to drop from the beginning. Views were much higher initially because it was the return of Proleague, EG/TL made their debut, there was a big announcement about it on here, it was the first all Starcraft 2 Proleague, etc. Nobody expected that they'd stay that high. Additionally, it largely depends on the match up. EG/TL vs KT will obviously garner more views than STX vs Khan. Taking into account the assumed disparity from match to match, 50-75% is an exaggeration. I see this one is still going. -_- Have to agree with GM on this one TB and not only that you want to talk about paying dues and not learning your craft on the fly? Give me a break. If you weren't aware SNM has been doing BW casts for a while and those numbers fluctuate because you're looking at the EG-TL games where all the fanboys jump in because they're curious so give me a break. Now I've been super harsh on casters like Kelly Milkies because I find the ability to articulate & enunciate your ideas should be one of the most important things when it comes to being a broadcaster. As for sinking your teeth in and paying your dues you do that on the fly. You guys have learned a ton of crap that way. Apollo and Husky learned a ridiculous amount after their first cast. What about Incontrol and the NASL deal? Yeah, you get your first big gig and you learn a ton about the business and yourself. On December 25 2012 16:47 Veldril wrote:On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:Thought you have something new, 20 thousand is the highest concurrent viewer number, what's the number for today's EG-TL match, and what's the korean stream concurrent viewer number today? Combine them together, can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number? Show me the math. From what I get, today's EG-TL match peaked at around 11k viewers during the Ace match. It can be a little bit higher, though. But if it's really around 11k then it's around 45% drop (11k/20k*100 = 55%). That's funny. For me it went over 12k and you guys are basing it off of two weeks difference from when KeSPA took over. A 50-75% drop in two weeks is probably something to raise eyebrows over. There are other explanations and you need a longer period of time to draw such conclusions buck-o. I just explained a few of them. Explaining a drop in viewership really doesn't make it a good thing. And what conclusions did I even put in, apart from its probably something to raise eyebrows over? 19k, ok from news. how do you get the 7k number? like multiple people stated, today's highest viewer number is over 11k, or you have bad memories like me. Or you only watch stream after matches are finished. Fair enough, 19k to 11k is like 45%. It's still worrying.
OK, so we are settled, TB is a liar. I didn't argue about it is worth worrying or not, I only argue that he exaggerate the number largely to mislead people.
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On December 25 2012 17:00 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 16:57 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:57 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:52 StarStruck wrote:On December 25 2012 16:08 GolemMadness wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. That's neither true nor is it a fair statement. Of course viewer numbers are going to drop from the beginning. Views were much higher initially because it was the return of Proleague, EG/TL made their debut, there was a big announcement about it on here, it was the first all Starcraft 2 Proleague, etc. Nobody expected that they'd stay that high. Additionally, it largely depends on the match up. EG/TL vs KT will obviously garner more views than STX vs Khan. Taking into account the assumed disparity from match to match, 50-75% is an exaggeration. I see this one is still going. -_- Have to agree with GM on this one TB and not only that you want to talk about paying dues and not learning your craft on the fly? Give me a break. If you weren't aware SNM has been doing BW casts for a while and those numbers fluctuate because you're looking at the EG-TL games where all the fanboys jump in because they're curious so give me a break. Now I've been super harsh on casters like Kelly Milkies because I find the ability to articulate & enunciate your ideas should be one of the most important things when it comes to being a broadcaster. As for sinking your teeth in and paying your dues you do that on the fly. You guys have learned a ton of crap that way. Apollo and Husky learned a ridiculous amount after their first cast. What about Incontrol and the NASL deal? Yeah, you get your first big gig and you learn a ton about the business and yourself. On December 25 2012 16:47 Veldril wrote:On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:41 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:32 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:12 ZerglingTwins wrote:
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How do you get these numbers? Show news link plz, or you are a liar. You need a news link to remember a number from 2 weeks ago? Keyword "remember", and yes I do need news link, i'm old enough to be your dad, show me the news link. http://esfiworld.com/news/proleague-achieves-127-million-cumulative-viewsAlmost 20,000 vs between 10,000 and 5,000 depending on teams. Thought you have something new, 20 thousand is the highest concurrent viewer number, what's the number for today's EG-TL match, and what's the korean stream concurrent viewer number today? Combine them together, can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number? Show me the math. From what I get, today's EG-TL match peaked at around 11k viewers during the Ace match. It can be a little bit higher, though. But if it's really around 11k then it's around 45% drop (11k/20k*100 = 55%). That's funny. For me it went over 12k and you guys are basing it off of two weeks difference from when KeSPA took over. A 50-75% drop in two weeks is probably something to raise eyebrows over. Except it is not truth. A 19k to 7k change in viewership cannot be argued against, no matter what you try to say. It's a number. Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 16:58 StarStruck wrote:On December 25 2012 16:57 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:52 StarStruck wrote:On December 25 2012 16:08 GolemMadness wrote:On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote:On December 25 2012 12:54 Jolo wrote:
I think it's a bit silly that anyone is complaining about the casters. Just be grateful there are any at all for the english audience it's the first time proleague has had that option. In my opinion it's all about the quality of the games anyways and I choose to listen to the korean casts since they show a lot more enthusiasm anyways and I think I've watched the game long enough to not need any casters to tell me what is going on. Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. That's neither true nor is it a fair statement. Of course viewer numbers are going to drop from the beginning. Views were much higher initially because it was the return of Proleague, EG/TL made their debut, there was a big announcement about it on here, it was the first all Starcraft 2 Proleague, etc. Nobody expected that they'd stay that high. Additionally, it largely depends on the match up. EG/TL vs KT will obviously garner more views than STX vs Khan. Taking into account the assumed disparity from match to match, 50-75% is an exaggeration. I see this one is still going. -_- Have to agree with GM on this one TB and not only that you want to talk about paying dues and not learning your craft on the fly? Give me a break. If you weren't aware SNM has been doing BW casts for a while and those numbers fluctuate because you're looking at the EG-TL games where all the fanboys jump in because they're curious so give me a break. Now I've been super harsh on casters like Kelly Milkies because I find the ability to articulate & enunciate your ideas should be one of the most important things when it comes to being a broadcaster. As for sinking your teeth in and paying your dues you do that on the fly. You guys have learned a ton of crap that way. Apollo and Husky learned a ridiculous amount after their first cast. What about Incontrol and the NASL deal? Yeah, you get your first big gig and you learn a ton about the business and yourself. On December 25 2012 16:47 Veldril wrote:On December 25 2012 16:44 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:41 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:35 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 25 2012 16:32 bo1b wrote:On December 25 2012 16:12 ZerglingTwins wrote:
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How do you get these numbers? Show news link plz, or you are a liar. You need a news link to remember a number from 2 weeks ago? Keyword "remember", and yes I do need news link, i'm old enough to be your dad, show me the news link. http://esfiworld.com/news/proleague-achieves-127-million-cumulative-viewsAlmost 20,000 vs between 10,000 and 5,000 depending on teams. Thought you have something new, 20 thousand is the highest concurrent viewer number, what's the number for today's EG-TL match, and what's the korean stream concurrent viewer number today? Combine them together, can you calculate basic math to get an over 50% drop number? Show me the math. From what I get, today's EG-TL match peaked at around 11k viewers during the Ace match. It can be a little bit higher, though. But if it's really around 11k then it's around 45% drop (11k/20k*100 = 55%). That's funny. For me it went over 12k and you guys are basing it off of two weeks difference from when KeSPA took over. A 50-75% drop in two weeks is probably something to raise eyebrows over. There are other explanations and you need a longer period of time to draw such conclusions buck-o. I just explained a few of them. Explaining a drop in viewership really doesn't make it a good thing. And what conclusions did I even put in, apart from its probably something to raise eyebrows over?
GM just told you. I don't expect a lot of people to watch STX Soul versus a team like Woongjin Stars (guess what they're at right now? 6.7k). EGTL haven't been performing and their numbers drop because not every fanboy can take it so they flee. Let's say the Leafs are losing to the Oilers 5-1 and there is ten minutes left in the third period. You know what happens at the ACC? People leave. Half the building empties out. What if your team isn't meeting expectations and the playoffs are no longer viable? Fan attendance drops. Today when EGTL started off 0-3 people started to tune out but guess what happened when they closed in and HerO and TaeJa came on? We got another two thousand viewers. It went over 12k. You get what I'm saying? We're talking about fickle numbers and it's way to early to draw any conclusions. There are many variables in play and it's not as simple as some people make it out to be.
On December 25 2012 17:04 yakitate304 wrote:
This Flying vs. Trap broadcast is pretty awful. I was facepalming when they had no idea what TaeJa was doing in the TvP - it's a pretty standard build to hit an 11-12 minute 5rax Medivac timing.
If you want I could nitpick every little wrong thing a caster says and the list would be very long. I've been paying more attention to the English cast since you guys continue to bring it up and yes their game knowledge is bad compared to a lot of the other guys. They will learn though and even then like I just said, everytime I listen to a cast. I hear wrong things. Even the Korean casters get shit wrong, but you know what? I let it go because I know better. If you can work that shit in your head for yourself then your set. You don't need the casters to tell you what's happening.
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I really dont think the casters are awful, i would rather have this set up than no english broadcast at all
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lol at people talking about 7k and ignoring the 11k that was the last broadcast. big surprise that numbers drop as it gets later for the americas, and is early morning europe.
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