EPTThe casters don't even seem excited themselves, though a lot of the problem is the lack of crowd noises in the background. Stream really needs to include that, and needs the usual 1 excited, well-spoken caster (TB, tasteless), 1 analytic/logical caster (iNcontrol, artosis) pairing. At this point at this very moment I'm watching the Korean stream in 270P, though I speak no Korean - at least they get excited, and that helps me get excited, and is much more fun.
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Winterfell
United States170 Posts
The casters don't even seem excited themselves, though a lot of the problem is the lack of crowd noises in the background. Stream really needs to include that, and needs the usual 1 excited, well-spoken caster (TB, tasteless), 1 analytic/logical caster (iNcontrol, artosis) pairing. At this point at this very moment I'm watching the Korean stream in 270P, though I speak no Korean - at least they get excited, and that helps me get excited, and is much more fun. | ||
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Hamzerger
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Von
United States363 Posts
Wow. Really? That's hilarious. Proleague is the best Starcraft deal on the planet right now. So exciting to see the Kespa players making the transition. So what if the casting is not perfect. Its fine. Watch the freaking games man | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
It's past time where that was valid, if it ever was. This isn't BW, this is SC2. We need professional casters. These two aren't it. | ||
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VitiumHK
United States32 Posts
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
On December 25 2012 14:07 VitiumHK wrote: I was against supernovamaniac the first day of his "solo cast" but he worked on the little things that annoy me, took all the reddit and team liquid forums criticism like a boss and now I'm a Supernovamaniac fan. Keep up the good work supernova and don't let the trolls hurt your heart, you're going to do great and keep improving. Just because people have 'negative' feedback, or genuinely don't like what they are experiencing, doesn't mean they are trolls. This casting is pretty damn bad. The players are clearly not very knowledgable about the game, nor do they seem very experienced at casting in general. I am experiencing pure mediocrity here. It's simply not what you expect when you're watching something legendary like pro-league. And it baffles further when you were listening to renowned casters doing this before (apollo and tb i think?) and then a downgrade into this. This is a premium spectacle we're witnessing here, but the commentary does not do it justice. I am not holding it against them that they are in the 'rushed' position they are in, not even at the studio, and left out of the loop about the broadcast. That's unfortunate, and good on them for working with that. But it doesn't begin to detract from the vocal mediocrity that isn't really bringing much to the game. They aren't even casters who have a well developed strong suit in any one direction, but suffer from being a bit imbalanced or some such. It's just plain meh all around. Some people aren't qualified for some jobs. If we sit around trying to just be positive about this kind of crap, it doesn't actually change. Get real and call spades spades. If they're casters who are cut from a cloth that has any real future with the the task, then they absolutely must be able to recognize their many, many faults and areas for potential improvement. Personally, I don't think they are cut from that kind of cloth. Not only do I not see talent, but I would not be able to honestly say that these guys seem to have real passion for the game. This cast is where excitement goes to die, as mine does, everytime I tune in to PL lately only to remember that this is how it's being casted. Suddenly, I don't care that I'm watching "proleague" or kespa players, or kespa legends, or foreigners against them. I tune out. Also, I agree word for word with what TotalBiscuit said on the last page, although I am clearly more willing to critique their casting ability. | ||
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VitiumHK
United States32 Posts
On December 25 2012 14:18 Lumi wrote: Just because people have 'negative' feedback, or genuinely don't like what they are experiencing, doesn't mean they are trolls. This casting is pretty damn bad. The players are clearly not very knowledgable about the game, nor do they seem very experienced at casting in general. I am experiencing pure mediocrity here. It's simply not what you expect when you're watching something legendary like pro-league. And it baffles further when you were listening to renowned casters doing this before (apollo and tb i think?) and then a downgrade into this. This is a premium spectacle we're witnessing here, but the commentary does not do it justice. I am not holding it against them that they area in the 'rushed' position they are in, not even at the studio, and left out of the loop about the broadcast. That's unfortunate, and good on them for working with that. Doesn't begin to detract from the vocal mediocrity that isn't really bringing much to the game. They aren't even casters who have a well developed strong suit in any one direction, but suffer from being a bit imbalanced or some such. It's just plain meh all around. Some people aren't qualified for some jobs. If we sit around trying to just be positive about this kind of crap, it doesn't actually change. Get real and call spades spades. If they're casters who are cut from a cloth that has any real future with the the task, then they absolutely must be able to recognize their many, many faults and areas for potential improvement. Personally, I don't think they are cut from that kind of cloth. Not only do I not see talent, but I would not be able to honestly say that these guys seem to have real passion for the game. This cast is where excitement goes to die, as mine does, everytime I tune in to PL lately only to remember that this is how it's being casted. Suddenly, I don't care that I'm watching "proleague" or kespa players, or kespa legends, or foreigners against them. I tune out. Also, I agree word for word with what TotalBiscuit said on the last page. I agree 100 percent that not ALL people that criticize are trolls, however, there are SOME people that criticize that are trolls. I would also rather see Mr. Bitter and Total Biscuit than supernova maniac. However, given that supernovamaniac is in this hostile situation and keeping a cool head and trying to improve, I find his tenacity admirable. | ||
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
On December 25 2012 14:27 VitiumHK wrote: I agree 100 percent that not ALL people that criticize are trolls, however, there are SOME people that criticize that are trolls. I would also rather see Mr. Bitter and Total Biscuit than supernova maniac. However, given that supernovamaniac is in this hostile situation and keeping a cool head and trying to improve, I find his tenacity admirable. As do I! Although I don't think there's a light at the end of this tunnel of his. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On December 25 2012 13:29 TotalBiscuit wrote: Considering one of the casters complained in chat (while moderating the chat no less) about the casting when we were doing it, I'd say they are fair game. I don't have any interest in criticizing their casting technique but I can tell you this. Proleague is NOT the place to cut your teeth as a caster. None of us started that way, casting one of the most important tournaments in the world. We did online stuff for no pay and paid our dues while learning how to cast well. If Kespa wants foreigners interested in it's tournament, which honestly I'm only partially convinced that they do, then they need to ensure that their product is appealing to foreign audiences. With concurrent views plummeting anywhere between 50 and 75% vs the first two weeks, it's going to be tough for Proleague and hold interest and build an audience after such an early stumble. they have many issues they need to work out, but so far they havent made me cringe like other casters who yell at the audience and know jackshit about how the game is played. they need to work better together, not cut off each other and learn how to flow better. but at least the analysis is decent. | ||
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On December 25 2012 12:18 xxpack09 wrote: The $5 is not for the casting people... the casting is free. F-R-E-E free. The $5 gets you ZERO ads over the whole season, 720p+ quality, and VODs. I dont understand why everyone is like omg i have to pay to listen to crap(i like the casting but thats not important) when the casting is free... I can already watch the VODs for free on youtube and watch the matches live in HD on the Korean stream. I missed the KT/CJ ace match last night. Watched it on youtube this morning. Zero money involved. The $5 serves no purpose except to watch horrific casting in high quality. | ||
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
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Ch3rry
Poland221 Posts
On December 25 2012 15:08 forsooth wrote: I can already watch the VODs for free on youtube and watch the matches live in HD on the Korean stream. I missed the KT/CJ ace match last night. Watched it on youtube this morning. Zero money involved. The $5 serves no purpose except to watch horrific casting in high quality. It's your opinion. If you think so, then don't pay this "less than Big-Mac" 5$... For me casting is pretty good, and I believe it will become better over the season. Also I think of it as supporting the western expansion of ProLeague. If lot of people watch english stream, then the more attention it would get from Kespa. | ||
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Winterfell
United States170 Posts
On December 25 2012 14:00 SimDawg wrote: More than anything people saying they listen to Korean casts are happy to have this be a niche thing where a couple hardcore people watch PL on a Saturday, don't complain about casting, be happy you have an English stream, all of that is ridiculous from any type of larger esports point of view. It's past time where that was valid, if it ever was. This isn't BW, this is SC2. We need professional casters. These two aren't it. No, that's not what most of us (or at least me) saying we're watching the Korean stream are saying. What we're saying is we'd rather good casters in a language we don't understand to completely green, unexperienced, over-their-head casters in a language we do. No offence to them, and I do believe they will get he hang of it eventually - but they don't have it yet. I would prefer any of the experienced caster pairs to this ATM. EDIT: Removed vitriol. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On December 25 2012 15:17 Ch3rry wrote: It's your opinion. If you think so, then don't pay this "less than Big-Mac" 5$... For me casting is pretty good, and I believe it will become better over the season. Also I think of it as supporting the western expansion of ProLeague. If lot of people watch english stream, then the more attention it would get from Kespa. Paying for it and tuning in sends Kespa the message they haven't completely dropped the ball, which is the opposite of what's going on here. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On December 25 2012 14:18 Lumi wrote: Just because people have 'negative' feedback, or genuinely don't like what they are experiencing, doesn't mean they are trolls. This casting is pretty damn bad. The players are clearly not very knowledgable about the game, nor do they seem very experienced at casting in general. I am experiencing pure mediocrity here. It's simply not what you expect when you're watching something legendary like pro-league. And it baffles further when you were listening to renowned casters doing this before (apollo and tb i think?) and then a downgrade into this. This is a premium spectacle we're witnessing here, but the commentary does not do it justice. I am not holding it against them that they are in the 'rushed' position they are in, not even at the studio, and left out of the loop about the broadcast. That's unfortunate, and good on them for working with that. But it doesn't begin to detract from the vocal mediocrity that isn't really bringing much to the game. They aren't even casters who have a well developed strong suit in any one direction, but suffer from being a bit imbalanced or some such. It's just plain meh all around. Some people aren't qualified for some jobs. If we sit around trying to just be positive about this kind of crap, it doesn't actually change. Get real and call spades spades. If they're casters who are cut from a cloth that has any real future with the the task, then they absolutely must be able to recognize their many, many faults and areas for potential improvement. Personally, I don't think they are cut from that kind of cloth. Not only do I not see talent, but I would not be able to honestly say that these guys seem to have real passion for the game. This cast is where excitement goes to die, as mine does, everytime I tune in to PL lately only to remember that this is how it's being casted. Suddenly, I don't care that I'm watching "proleague" or kespa players, or kespa legends, or foreigners against them. I tune out. Also, I agree word for word with what TotalBiscuit said on the last page, although I am clearly more willing to critique their casting ability. And are Totalbiscuit and Apollo willing to move to Korea to cast for the next 8 months? Because otherwise we have them casting part time from their homes, which means poor video quality and more frequent technical difficulties, plus substitute casters constantly needing to be found when they're unavailable. | ||
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Winterfell
United States170 Posts
On December 25 2012 15:22 GolemMadness wrote: And are Totalbiscuit and Apollo willing to move to Korea to cast for the next 8 months? Because otherwise we have them casting part time from their homes, which means poor video quality and more frequent technical difficulties, plus substitute casters constantly needing to be found when they're unavailable. Sooooo... DoA? | ||
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Dr.Sin
Canada1126 Posts
Seconded. The man moved to Korea wanting to cast Proleague and he has a passion for SC2. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On December 25 2012 15:22 GolemMadness wrote: And are Totalbiscuit and Apollo willing to move to Korea to cast for the next 8 months? Because otherwise we have them casting part time from their homes, which means poor video quality and more frequent technical difficulties, plus substitute casters constantly needing to be found when they're unavailable. KesPA could just settle with OGN and have DoA and MonteCristo cast all the games, though. Doa is already an established caster and he's very bad anymore. MonteCristo might be new to the game but he still have some experience in casting, plus willing to go into less experience caster role. Judging from the first week feedback, I think they did quite well. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
Well that was planned till a couple days before they start Kespa pulled the plug on that on. DoA looked super hyped to cast and made that big proleague thread and then that happened  | ||
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