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WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-14 18:17:24
April 14 2014 18:04 GMT
#19821
By the way, Piketty will pronounce a speech on inequalities at the city university of New York this wednesday (16 of april), followed by a discussion from Stiglitz, Krugman and Steven Durlauf.
You can watch it live here : http://www.cuny.tv/capital-in-the-21st-century
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
April 14 2014 18:08 GMT
#19822
On April 15 2014 03:04 WhiteDog wrote:
By the way, Piketty will pronounce a speech on inequalities at the city university of New York wednesday, followed by a discussion from Stiglitz, Krugman and Steven Durlauf.
You can watch it live here : http://www.cuny.tv/capital-in-the-21st-century

Awesome. Thanks for the heads up!
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 14 2014 19:19 GMT
#19823
NEW YORK -- The Guardian and The Washington Post won the Pulitzer Prize for Public Service on Monday for their coverage of the National Security Agency, reporting which followed last year's bombshell disclosures from former contractor Edward Snowden.

The Pulitzer board's decision to honor NSA coverage, and specifically to single out the reporting as a public service, makes a strong statement about the importance of the worldwide surveillance revelations, especially given that Snowden has been charged under the Espionage Act for leaking the classified documents.

On Friday, four journalists at the forefront of the NSA reporting -- Glenn Greenwald, Laura Poitras, Barton Gellman and Ewan MacAskill -- were honored with the prestigious Polk Award for their coverage.

But the Pulitzer board did not distinguish between individual journalists, instead awarding its public service prize to the news organizations responsible for the initial reports on how the NSA had secretly collected millions of Americans' phone records and Internet data.


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JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
April 14 2014 20:08 GMT
#19824
Deficit Forecasts Shaved, But Likely Won't Shrink For Much Longer

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Monday that it expects the federal deficit will be about $22 billion less this fiscal year than previously thought, and about $9 billion less than had been anticipated next year.

"But if current laws do not change," CBO warned, "the period of shrinking deficits will soon come to an end. Between 2015 and 2024, annual budget shortfalls are projected to rise substantially — from a low of $469 billion in 2015 to about $1 trillion from 2022 through 2024 — mainly because of the aging population, rising health care costs, an expansion of federal subsidies for health insurance, and growing interest payments on federal debt."

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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 14 2014 20:19 GMT
#19825
On April 15 2014 00:55 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 15:37 IgnE wrote:
So you don't think the temperature is going to rise or you don't think it will matter? Your last post is barely comprehensible to me.
I'm sorry if I can't pare it down to something concise. It's their body of work, particularly from working group 2, with attention to the size, scope, and basis for their predictions that leads me to my conclusions about alarmism.

Discussions have gone nowhere in the past, period. You either believe it with religious devotion or don't. It would be an exercise in futility to detail my top-3 or top-5 ridiculous IPCC reports, models & model reliance, and green activist bent compared to an interest in scientific discovery. It might get a one-sentence response but not change anyone's minds (even in the narrow focus of getting some in this thread to understand the other side and destroy their own stereotypes conceived for convenience).


I hope I'm not alone in still not being able to see where you disagree. Is it the idea that temperature will increase or the idea that temperature increase matters?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 14 2014 20:22 GMT
#19826
WASHINGTON -- The League of Conservation Voters and the Natural Resources Defense Council Action Fund announced Monday that they are joining forces on a multimillion-dollar electoral effort.

The goal of the initiative, which they're calling LeadingGreen, is to drive $5 million in direct campaign contributions to pro-environment candidates in 2014.

The League of Conservation Voters has traditionally pointed donors to individual candidates that it is supporting through its GiveGreen program. LeadingGreen would expand on that program with the support of the NRDC Action Fund.

The league has already raised nearly $3 million for 16 Senate and House candidates in this year's election, according to the group's website. The biggest recipient of those funds so far is Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.), who has brought in just over $260,000 through GiveGreen. Overall, GiveGreen raised $2 million for candidates in 2012 and $1 million in 2010.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24134 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-14 20:36:01
April 14 2014 20:29 GMT
#19827
On April 14 2014 22:53 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 21:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 14 2014 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:
On April 14 2014 15:37 IgnE wrote:
So you don't think the temperature is going to rise or you don't think it will matter? Your last post is barely comprehensible to me.

He doesn't believe in anything related to global warming. He just doesn't want to say it, because he know it's a pretty retarded point of view, so he question the way we measure and predict its evolution.

I don't think many are left with the impression Danglers wants to do much more than take a position so vague and amorphous that he can bend it to fit just about anything, while simultaneously attempting to undermine actual positions with snarky nitpicking.

It's the people who know better, disingenuously denying climate-change with arguments that only work on low information people that I find so reprehensible.

We could be so much further along this path if we didn't have so many science deniers and charlatans luring more ignorant people into their camp. (Ex. Ken Ham)

I think there is a valid point behind scepticism toward anything, even "scientific" results. Our world has become so complicated, even belief in progress feels wrong, while thirty years ago scientists and innovations were still regarded as the solution to get humanity out of its misery. Now scientists are figure of power, and their language is the language who legitimate domination and suffering - think about "economists" for exemple - and offer "no alternatives".

The problem is, your need a certain lack of hearth not to be completly shaken at the idea of global warming.


I'm not knocking skepticism. I also appreciate the threat science represents in a 'new religion' where people blindly follow. But what I'm talking about are the Ken Hams who aren't skeptical, they are actually just rooted in a totally ridiculous position that they are just as sure of (or more so) as any science 'believer'. That is not skepticism.

The other part I was talking about is when informed people use disingenuous arguments to undermine legitimate attempts to resolve issues.

"To help visualize that massive heap of trash, Wilson divides by a "supertanker" — that is, a giant ship that could theoretically sail through the seas, skimming out the plastic junk as it goes (much of which hovers down to 90 feet below the surface).

No such ship has been outfitted to skim plastic. But let's say it did, and it could hold 500 million pounds of plastic. You'd need 630 of them to do the job, or about 17 percent of the planet's current fleet of oil tankers."
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One doesn't need to accept the most alarming predictions on climate change to realize we have a legitimate problem.

97% of climatologist scientific papers (that bother to take a position) agree that man is at least 'a cause' of climate change. Even a child could look around and deduce that clear cutting forests, massive construction projects, endless piles of trash, poisoned flammable water, and noxious clouds of deadly gas are not 'helping' the environment.

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Instead you get total junk from mainstream making completely illogical and inane statements and claims surrounding climate change.


"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 14 2014 22:14 GMT
#19828
On April 15 2014 05:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
WASHINGTON -- The League of Conservation Voters and the Natural Resources Defense Council Action Fund announced Monday that they are joining forces on a multimillion-dollar electoral effort.

The goal of the initiative, which they're calling LeadingGreen, is to drive $5 million in direct campaign contributions to pro-environment candidates in 2014.

The League of Conservation Voters has traditionally pointed donors to individual candidates that it is supporting through its GiveGreen program. LeadingGreen would expand on that program with the support of the NRDC Action Fund.

The league has already raised nearly $3 million for 16 Senate and House candidates in this year's election, according to the group's website. The biggest recipient of those funds so far is Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.), who has brought in just over $260,000 through GiveGreen. Overall, GiveGreen raised $2 million for candidates in 2012 and $1 million in 2010.


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Just what we need, more Nader silliness.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6290 Posts
April 14 2014 22:19 GMT
#19829
On April 15 2014 05:08 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
Deficit Forecasts Shaved, But Likely Won't Shrink For Much Longer

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Monday that it expects the federal deficit will be about $22 billion less this fiscal year than previously thought, and about $9 billion less than had been anticipated next year.

"But if current laws do not change," CBO warned, "the period of shrinking deficits will soon come to an end. Between 2015 and 2024, annual budget shortfalls are projected to rise substantially — from a low of $469 billion in 2015 to about $1 trillion from 2022 through 2024 — mainly because of the aging population, rising health care costs, an expansion of federal subsidies for health insurance, and growing interest payments on federal debt."

Link

Thosr are problems every developed nation has to deal with in the forseeable future. I wonder how different countries will deal with it.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
April 15 2014 01:32 GMT
#19830
On April 15 2014 05:19 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 00:55 Danglars wrote:
On April 14 2014 15:37 IgnE wrote:
So you don't think the temperature is going to rise or you don't think it will matter? Your last post is barely comprehensible to me.
I'm sorry if I can't pare it down to something concise. It's their body of work, particularly from working group 2, with attention to the size, scope, and basis for their predictions that leads me to my conclusions about alarmism.

Discussions have gone nowhere in the past, period. You either believe it with religious devotion or don't. It would be an exercise in futility to detail my top-3 or top-5 ridiculous IPCC reports, models & model reliance, and green activist bent compared to an interest in scientific discovery. It might get a one-sentence response but not change anyone's minds (even in the narrow focus of getting some in this thread to understand the other side and destroy their own stereotypes conceived for convenience).


I hope I'm not alone in still not being able to see where you disagree. Is it the idea that temperature will increase or the idea that temperature increase matters?
I'm just going to let the remark stand.The StealthBlue article was funny for an about-face on IPCC rhetoric. It's been a can of worms in these 900 pages and other threads to dig deep into the politics and science. You believe it with religious devotion or you don't.

On April 15 2014 00:58 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 00:55 Danglars wrote:
On April 14 2014 15:37 IgnE wrote:
So you don't think the temperature is going to rise or you don't think it will matter? Your last post is barely comprehensible to me.
I'm sorry if I can't pare it down to something concise. It's their body of work, particularly from working group 2, with attention to the size, scope, and basis for their predictions that leads me to my conclusions about alarmism.


What conclusions? Which basis and which scopes?
Do you or do you not think the previously linked article was a significant departure from previous releases from the IPCC? Now its modest costs and minor disruption?

Honestly, I thought "its predictions in the hockey stick vein" would've been enough to give IgnE the principal answer. Dangerous increases in global temperatures and radical changes in climates worldwide are the inevitable result and traceable to the carbon dioxide emissions from mankind's industry. The hockey stick graph was the media's sound bite for its historical uniqueness and blame ascription.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 15 2014 17:18 GMT
#19831
Wall Street Journal columnist Bret Stephens revisited one of his favorite themes on Monday, arguing once again that what Republicans really need is another defeat in a national election.

According to Stephens, a Rand Paul presidential nomination in 2016 ought to do the trick. The columnist offered an endorsement of the Kentucky Senator that oozed with sarcasm.

No, what we need as the Republican nominee in 2016 is a man of more glaring disqualifications. Someone so nakedly unacceptable to the overwhelming majority of sane Americans that only the GOP could think of nominating him.
This man is Rand Paul, the junior senator from a state with eight electoral votes. The man who, as of this writing, has three years worth of experience in elected office. Barack Obama had more political experience when he ran for president. That's worked out well.


Stephens took aim at Paul's former staffer Jack Hunter, whose troubling past includes a defense of Abraham Lincoln assassin John Wilkes Booth. The Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist also mocked Paul's suggestion in 2009 that Dick Cheney wanted a war in Iraq to deliver profits to Halliburton.

If Mr. Paul wants to accuse the former vice president of engineering a war in Iraq so he could shovel some profits over to his past employer, he should come out and say so explicitly. Ideally at the next Heritage Action powwow. Let's not mince words. This man wants to be the Republican nominee for president.
And so he should be. Because maybe what the GOP needs is another humbling landslide defeat. When moderation on a subject like immigration is ideologically disqualifying, but bark-at-the-moon lunacy about Halliburton is not, then the party has worse problems than merely its choice of nominee.


This isn't new territory for Stephens. Anticipating President Obama's eventual re-election, Stephens wrote in early-2012 that "Republicans deserve to lose."


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Adila
Profile Joined April 2010
United States874 Posts
April 15 2014 17:49 GMT
#19832
Republicans could do a lot worse than Rand Paul. They could nominate Ted Cruz and make Donald Trump's head explode from the Birther mania.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
April 15 2014 17:58 GMT
#19833
On April 16 2014 02:49 Adila wrote:
Republicans could do a lot worse than Rand Paul. They could nominate Ted Cruz and make Donald Trump's head explode from the Birther mania.

I kinda want Ted Cruz to be nominated, so people can see how ridiculously stupid he is and maybe lose his Senate seat.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
April 15 2014 18:10 GMT
#19834
On April 16 2014 02:49 Adila wrote:
Republicans could do a lot worse than Rand Paul. They could nominate Ted Cruz and make Donald Trump's head explode from the Birther mania.

Trump and the Brithers wont care, Cruz isnt a Black Democrat
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 15 2014 18:12 GMT
#19835
Louisiana legislators last week advanced a bill to make the Bible the official state book, according to the Advocate.

The bill passed in the Municipal, Parochial and Cultural Affairs Committee in an 8-5 vote, and the full state house will vote on the measure later this week, according to KTAL.

State Rep. Thomas Carmody (R), who sponsored the bill, told the Advocate that the bill was "appropriate" for Louisiana because of the state's religious ties.

However, state Rep. Wesley Bishop (D) said he felt the bill was a bad idea, warning that it could lead to litigation.

"You cannot separate Christianity from the Bible," he said. "If you adopt the Bible as the official state book, you also adopt Christianity as the state religion."

Carmody defended the bill, noting that the Louisiana could have more than one state book, just as it has multiple official jellies.

"This is not about establishing an official religion," he told the Times-Picayune.

Some lawmakers took issue with Carmody's decision to make the official book the King James Bible, rather than all versions of the text.

"Why not put all versions of the Bible? If there’s one, what are we saying about the rest of the people?" Rep. Robert Billiot (D) told the Advocate.

Rep. Ebony Woodruff (D) proposed an amendment to include "all books of faith," but the proposal, which Carmody opposed, failed in committee, according to the Times-Picayune.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22456 Posts
April 15 2014 18:13 GMT
#19836
On April 16 2014 03:12 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Louisiana legislators last week advanced a bill to make the Bible the official state book, according to the Advocate.

The bill passed in the Municipal, Parochial and Cultural Affairs Committee in an 8-5 vote, and the full state house will vote on the measure later this week, according to KTAL.

State Rep. Thomas Carmody (R), who sponsored the bill, told the Advocate that the bill was "appropriate" for Louisiana because of the state's religious ties.

However, state Rep. Wesley Bishop (D) said he felt the bill was a bad idea, warning that it could lead to litigation.

"You cannot separate Christianity from the Bible," he said. "If you adopt the Bible as the official state book, you also adopt Christianity as the state religion."

Carmody defended the bill, noting that the Louisiana could have more than one state book, just as it has multiple official jellies.

"This is not about establishing an official religion," he told the Times-Picayune.

Some lawmakers took issue with Carmody's decision to make the official book the King James Bible, rather than all versions of the text.

"Why not put all versions of the Bible? If there’s one, what are we saying about the rest of the people?" Rep. Robert Billiot (D) told the Advocate.

Rep. Ebony Woodruff (D) proposed an amendment to include "all books of faith," but the proposal, which Carmody opposed, failed in committee, according to the Times-Picayune.


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Something Something, separation of church and state, Something Something.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
April 15 2014 18:15 GMT
#19837
On April 16 2014 03:12 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Louisiana legislators last week advanced a bill to make the Bible the official state book, according to the Advocate.

The bill passed in the Municipal, Parochial and Cultural Affairs Committee in an 8-5 vote, and the full state house will vote on the measure later this week, according to KTAL.

State Rep. Thomas Carmody (R), who sponsored the bill, told the Advocate that the bill was "appropriate" for Louisiana because of the state's religious ties.

However, state Rep. Wesley Bishop (D) said he felt the bill was a bad idea, warning that it could lead to litigation.

"You cannot separate Christianity from the Bible," he said. "If you adopt the Bible as the official state book, you also adopt Christianity as the state religion."

Carmody defended the bill, noting that the Louisiana could have more than one state book, just as it has multiple official jellies.

"This is not about establishing an official religion," he told the Times-Picayune.

Some lawmakers took issue with Carmody's decision to make the official book the King James Bible, rather than all versions of the text.

"Why not put all versions of the Bible? If there’s one, what are we saying about the rest of the people?" Rep. Robert Billiot (D) told the Advocate.

Rep. Ebony Woodruff (D) proposed an amendment to include "all books of faith," but the proposal, which Carmody opposed, failed in committee, according to the Times-Picayune.


Source
Blah blah blah ... woah Louisiana has multiple state jellies? That's amazing!
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24134 Posts
April 15 2014 18:34 GMT
#19838
On April 16 2014 03:15 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 03:12 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Louisiana legislators last week advanced a bill to make the Bible the official state book, according to the Advocate.

The bill passed in the Municipal, Parochial and Cultural Affairs Committee in an 8-5 vote, and the full state house will vote on the measure later this week, according to KTAL.

State Rep. Thomas Carmody (R), who sponsored the bill, told the Advocate that the bill was "appropriate" for Louisiana because of the state's religious ties.

However, state Rep. Wesley Bishop (D) said he felt the bill was a bad idea, warning that it could lead to litigation.

"You cannot separate Christianity from the Bible," he said. "If you adopt the Bible as the official state book, you also adopt Christianity as the state religion."

Carmody defended the bill, noting that the Louisiana could have more than one state book, just as it has multiple official jellies.

"This is not about establishing an official religion," he told the Times-Picayune.

Some lawmakers took issue with Carmody's decision to make the official book the King James Bible, rather than all versions of the text.

"Why not put all versions of the Bible? If there’s one, what are we saying about the rest of the people?" Rep. Robert Billiot (D) told the Advocate.

Rep. Ebony Woodruff (D) proposed an amendment to include "all books of faith," but the proposal, which Carmody opposed, failed in committee, according to the Times-Picayune.


Source
Blah blah blah ... woah Louisiana has multiple state jellies? That's amazing!



It's times like these when I wonder how much I really would of disagreed with someone like John Adams

"The proposition, that the people are the best keepers of their own liberties, is not true; they are the worst conceivable; they are no keepers at all; they can neither judge, act, think, or will, as a political body."
This is attributed to Adams in The Life of Thomas Jefferson (1858) by Henry Stephens Randall, p. 587
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 15 2014 18:49 GMT
#19839
WASHINGTON -- A pair of senators have introduced legislation that would prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from using its authority to preemptively block or to revoke permits for mine waste disposal. The move has roiled those in Alaska who want EPA to use this authority to block a massive copper and gold mine that could put a major salmon fishery at risk.

The bill, from Sens. David Vitter (R-La.) and Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), would limit the time period in which the EPA can deny permits. It would preclude the agency from invoking its authority under Section 404(c) of the Clean Water Act to protect certain areas before a company has formally applied for a permit, and would also prevent the agency from revoking a permit once it has been issued.

The senators have named the bill the Regulatory Fairness Act of 2014. In announcing the bill last month, Manchin argued that the EPA "has been waging a destructive war against energy production." Sens. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) and James Risch (R-Idaho) have also signed on as co-sponsors.

Section 404(c) of the Clean Water Act allows the EPA to prohibit or restrict the dumping of dredge or fill material into waterways if the agency finds that doing so will have an "unacceptable adverse impact" on resources.

There have been several recent cases where the EPA has used this authority to block or revoke mining permits. The first was the EPA's decision in 2011 to withdraw a permit for the Spruce No. 1 coal mine in West Virginia. In issuing its decision, the EPA's assistant administrator for water said that the mine "would use destructive and unsustainable mining practices that jeopardize the health of Appalachian communities and clean water on which they depend." Mine owner Mingo Logan Coal Co. sued over the EPA's decision, and just last month the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear the company's challenge.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
April 15 2014 19:16 GMT
#19840
On April 16 2014 03:49 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
WASHINGTON -- A pair of senators have introduced legislation that would prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from using its authority to preemptively block or to revoke permits for mine waste disposal. The move has roiled those in Alaska who want EPA to use this authority to block a massive copper and gold mine that could put a major salmon fishery at risk.

The bill, from Sens. David Vitter (R-La.) and Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), would limit the time period in which the EPA can deny permits. It would preclude the agency from invoking its authority under Section 404(c) of the Clean Water Act to protect certain areas before a company has formally applied for a permit, and would also prevent the agency from revoking a permit once it has been issued.

The senators have named the bill the Regulatory Fairness Act of 2014. In announcing the bill last month, Manchin argued that the EPA "has been waging a destructive war against energy production." Sens. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) and James Risch (R-Idaho) have also signed on as co-sponsors.

Section 404(c) of the Clean Water Act allows the EPA to prohibit or restrict the dumping of dredge or fill material into waterways if the agency finds that doing so will have an "unacceptable adverse impact" on resources.

There have been several recent cases where the EPA has used this authority to block or revoke mining permits. The first was the EPA's decision in 2011 to withdraw a permit for the Spruce No. 1 coal mine in West Virginia. In issuing its decision, the EPA's assistant administrator for water said that the mine "would use destructive and unsustainable mining practices that jeopardize the health of Appalachian communities and clean water on which they depend." Mine owner Mingo Logan Coal Co. sued over the EPA's decision, and just last month the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear the company's challenge.


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It's interesting how Republicans favour certain big business interests over others. Why favour resource extraction industries, which provide an immediate large monetary benefit but exhaust on a fairly rapid timescale, over fisheries (another big business interest), which provide a moderate income over a long-term timeframe (infinite, if managed properly) while preserving the integrity of a critically important ecological species.

That is some illogical shit :/. I know which one I would favour....
I await the reminiscent nerd chills I will get when I hear a Korean broadcaster yell "WEEAAAAVVVVVUUUHHH" while watching Dota
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