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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12619 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-16 10:36:00
January 16 2018 10:32 GMT
#193921
It's option 2 (well, 3, don't think he did it on purpose).

I must confess I feel much better, I had a really hard time understanding how you could possibly not understand this.
No will to live, no wish to die
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18488 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-16 10:56:03
January 16 2018 10:41 GMT
#193922
On January 16 2018 19:32 Nebuchad wrote:
It's option 2 (well, 3, don't think he did it on purpose).

I must confess I feel much better, I had a really hard time understanding how you could possibly not understand this.

Ok. I accept your point. It seems more worthy of Glenn Greenwalds journalistic talents.

Although it is a bit alarming that I wasn't particularly surprised when I thought he wrote an unsound slash piece in support of Chelsea Manning, fellow at arms in the fight against government cover-ups.

E: nvm, I clicked through to the article and its primary point is exactly what tomatreides quoted. The cleverer point is tacked on at the end, more like an afterthought than a conclusion.

The main thrust is clearly ranting against Democratic supporters "smearing" Chelsea Manning as a Russian stooge. While the tweet cited is indeed ridiculous, it's not weird many people actually do see her as a traitor and while it's disingenuous to tie it into the new red scare narrative, I don't think Chelsea Manning is the hill progressives should choose to die on.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12619 Posts
January 16 2018 10:57 GMT
#193923
On January 16 2018 19:41 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2018 19:32 Nebuchad wrote:
It's option 2 (well, 3, don't think he did it on purpose).

I must confess I feel much better, I had a really hard time understanding how you could possibly not understand this.

Ok. I accept your point. It seems more worthy of Glenn Greenwalds journalistic talents.

Although it is a bit alarming that I wasn't particularly surprised when I thought he wrote an unsound slash piece in support of Chelsea Manning, fellow at arms in the fight against government cover-ups.

E: nvm, I clicked through to the article and its primary point is exactly what tomatreides quoted. The cleverer point is tacked on at the end, more like an afterthought than a conclusion.

The main thrust is clearly ranting against Democratic supporters "smearing" Chelsea Manning as a Russian stooge. While the tweet cited is indeed ridiculous, it's not weird many people actually do see her as a traitor and while it's disingenuous to tie it into the new red scare narrative, I don't think Chelsea Manning is the hill progressives should choose to die on.


I had such fuckin' hopes for us.
No will to live, no wish to die
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
January 16 2018 11:30 GMT
#193924
I, on the other hand, have been pleasantly surprised.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18488 Posts
January 16 2018 11:40 GMT
#193925
On January 16 2018 19:57 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2018 19:41 Acrofales wrote:
On January 16 2018 19:32 Nebuchad wrote:
It's option 2 (well, 3, don't think he did it on purpose).

I must confess I feel much better, I had a really hard time understanding how you could possibly not understand this.

Ok. I accept your point. It seems more worthy of Glenn Greenwalds journalistic talents.

Although it is a bit alarming that I wasn't particularly surprised when I thought he wrote an unsound slash piece in support of Chelsea Manning, fellow at arms in the fight against government cover-ups.

E: nvm, I clicked through to the article and its primary point is exactly what tomatreides quoted. The cleverer point is tacked on at the end, more like an afterthought than a conclusion.

The main thrust is clearly ranting against Democratic supporters "smearing" Chelsea Manning as a Russian stooge. While the tweet cited is indeed ridiculous, it's not weird many people actually do see her as a traitor and while it's disingenuous to tie it into the new red scare narrative, I don't think Chelsea Manning is the hill progressives should choose to die on.


I had such fuckin' hopes for us.

I understand the point you're making. In general I agree with it. I just don't think that was the main point of the cited article or that it made the point very well.

(1) it's not necessarily the same people supporting Ben Cardin on policy over Chelsea Manning as those who said you should support Clinton because she's a woman, regardless of your policy ideals. Different people saying different things is not hypocrisy even if it is from within the same party.
(2) even if it is the same people, you are relitigating the Democratic presidential primary in order to score "I told you so" points. Where are you trying to go with this? I know GH wants to burn the whole party down, but I assume most are more humble and want to expose and remove the big moneyed interests in the party and return it to representing "the people". This article does not do that at all. Even if we accept that the targets are hypocrites, the call to action in the article is to support Chelsea Manning, and not to protest the moneyed interests.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12619 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-16 12:00:38
January 16 2018 11:54 GMT
#193926
On January 16 2018 20:40 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2018 19:57 Nebuchad wrote:
On January 16 2018 19:41 Acrofales wrote:
On January 16 2018 19:32 Nebuchad wrote:
It's option 2 (well, 3, don't think he did it on purpose).

I must confess I feel much better, I had a really hard time understanding how you could possibly not understand this.

Ok. I accept your point. It seems more worthy of Glenn Greenwalds journalistic talents.

Although it is a bit alarming that I wasn't particularly surprised when I thought he wrote an unsound slash piece in support of Chelsea Manning, fellow at arms in the fight against government cover-ups.

E: nvm, I clicked through to the article and its primary point is exactly what tomatreides quoted. The cleverer point is tacked on at the end, more like an afterthought than a conclusion.

The main thrust is clearly ranting against Democratic supporters "smearing" Chelsea Manning as a Russian stooge. While the tweet cited is indeed ridiculous, it's not weird many people actually do see her as a traitor and while it's disingenuous to tie it into the new red scare narrative, I don't think Chelsea Manning is the hill progressives should choose to die on.


I had such fuckin' hopes for us.

I understand the point you're making. In general I agree with it. I just don't think that was the main point of the cited article or that it made the point very well.

(1) it's not necessarily the same people supporting Ben Cardin on policy over Chelsea Manning as those who said you should support Clinton because she's a woman, regardless of your policy ideals. Different people saying different things is not hypocrisy even if it is from within the same party.
(2) even if it is the same people, you are relitigating the Democratic presidential primary in order to score "I told you so" points. Where are you trying to go with this? I know GH wants to burn the whole party down, but I assume most are more humble and want to expose and remove the big moneyed interests in the party and return it to representing "the people". This article does not do that at all. Even if we accept that the targets are hypocrites, the call to action in the article is to support Chelsea Manning, and not to protest the moneyed interests.


Those sound like arguments that you could make against Greenwald's points. They sure are much better than "I don't think Greenwald is right to say that we should vote for Manning because she's a trans woman and the other guy is old and white".

I'm in this because that's what Aquanim who I've otherwise seen to be rational on most issues was saying, and what you said was similar. If you disagree with the article because of what's actually in it instead of this nonsense, then that's your prerogative. I was honestly relieved to find out that you didn't get the whole text and that could explain your misunderstanding. But then you read the entire article and you come up with "never mind" as if reading the article reinforced the claims that you made before? I mean, wtf.

Of course this article is also about talking about the (not single) democrat(s) who said she was a russian stooge. That doesn't quite matter to the earlier discussion that was happening here does it.
No will to live, no wish to die
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
January 16 2018 12:52 GMT
#193927
Glenn Greenwald is basically a personal friend of Chelsea Manning, and he has long been chronicling the endless attacks from centrist Dems on Manning as a Russian-backed mentally ill traitor whose torture was justified. Note that many conservatives have outright called for her execution and were very upset with Obama for ending her sentence. I find it very sickening. If I have to be honest, someone's response to Chelsea Manning is an immediate tell for me as to whether I agree with their politics or not. Some think she's a hero, others think she's a traitor, and I think in the end it comes down to whether you see the US government as a force of good in the world and whether you personally identify with them. I do not. The fact she was tortured and vilified for exposing the US government plays into that.

I don't necessarily support her senate race. I haven't looked into her current positions, but she's certainly not very likely to win and of course she has a very scandalous past. I have an aversion to, say, idolizing people as opposed to actions. I admire Manning for her actions in the past, but I honestly don't know if she would be a sound candidate. And on some level I don't want to find out.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
January 16 2018 12:59 GMT
#193928
Glenn Greenwald is a bit one-note when it comes to the Russia conspiracies. Of course it is very tiresome that a handful of centrist Dems on twitter constantly support this red scare mentality, and I'm sure that he is very tired himself of constantly having trolls attack him as a Russia-backed traitor who should be shot. But I don't think these people have that much relevance, or that there are that many of them, so I don't think it is a good use of his journalistic talents.

In general much of the left seems much more annoyed with the Democratic party than with the GOP, I think because they see them as controlled opposition who are hurting progressive reforms based on popular movements, and maybe also because they expect better of them.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22702 Posts
January 16 2018 13:03 GMT
#193929
Its nice to see people give up the pretense that they ever cared about policy or experience and just try to elect a bunch of celebrities instead.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-16 13:27:29
January 16 2018 13:05 GMT
#193930
Glenn Greenwald's lack of nuance when it comes to pretty much anything involving the US government is reason enough for me to discount most of what he says; he very clearly has an axe to grind and he'll die grinding it.

Chelsea Manning is also someone who should be regarded with far more nuance than this "hero or villain" dichotomy forced on everyone via litmus tests for who actually knows what the US government did or is doing. She did not act heroically nor was she particularly villainous and Obama's commutation makes a lot of sense given the extent to which she was illegally tortured (with the added bonus of pissing off hawkish douchey conservatives).
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
January 16 2018 13:30 GMT
#193931
Bradley/Chelsea Manning looks like a traitor, though perhaps the goal was "whistleblower." The reality is more like mental illness leading to leaking classified info, with consequences for diplomacy. I suppose I can't argue with the decision to commute the sentence (neither in the sense of it not being a pardon, nor in the decision to eventually let Manning go) because under the circumstances it does seem like cruel and unusual punishment. But Manning should probably just quietly walk away from it, not try to leverage it for political gain.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 16 2018 13:41 GMT
#193932
A California city has brought charges against 12 people who defied a ban on feeding homeless people at a neighborhood park, as officials try to rein in a hepatitis A outbreak that has killed 20 people and prompted mass vaccinations and the bleaching of streets.

Officials in El Cajon, east of San Diego, argue that the ordinance aims to protect the public from hepatitis A, which has mostly affected those who are homeless or use drugs, by preventing the person-to-person transmission of pathogens. But activists have decried it as a draconian measure to criminalize homeless residents.

Jen Loving, a Bay Area advocate who has followed the situation, said it reflected a broader breakdown in trust, with locals losing confidence that their elected representatives have effective solutions for what, in other contexts, might be recognized as a humanitarian disaster.

“From afar, it feels like a community struggling with crisis and wanting consensus in a comprehensive solution to this problem,” said Loving. “This points to a much bigger issue all around the country. All communities are starved for long-term solutions for decreasing homelessness.”

Homelessness in the US has grown by about 1% since 2016, the first increase since the great recession, and it is driven by high rents on the east and west coasts. In San Diego County the numbers rose 5%.

In El Cajon on Sunday, a volunteer organization named Break the Ban manned tables offering breakfast bars, oranges and bananas, hygiene supplies and socks at a local park. Within an hour, the police arrived threatening to arrest those who defied the ban. Volunteers shouted angrily at them, and they began issuing misdemeanor citations.

Scott Dreher, an attorney to the organizers who was present at the event, described the ordinance a restriction on his free-speech rights. “It prevents me from exercising my right to share food with those people in need, which is an expression of speech by action,” he said. “There are other, non-first-amendment-restrictive, ways to accomplish the city’s stated goal of preventing the spread of hep A, namely, by cleaning up the parks and providing and encouraging use of public restrooms and hand-washing.”

Almost 600 people in the county have been infected with the disease, which is spread via fecal contamination, a symptom of the fact that homeless people have few places to use the bathroom and then wash their hands.

As well as spraying bleach and offering vaccinations, officials in San Diego have installed washing stations and erected huge tents to give people some protection from the elements. The city is also making longer-term plans: on Thursday, San Diego’s mayor, Kevin Faulconer, unveiled a homelessness plan that includes a tax hike, central intake hub and more shelter beds.

A homeless man at the feeding event, Berl Crist, said El Cajon, by contrast, “would rather take a hands-off inactive approach, by banning food sharing and making panhandling illegal.”

“It’s not a feeding ban,” said El Cajon spokesperson Monica Zech. “We want to protect the homeless by feeding them in a clean and safe environment. A park isn’t a clean environment.”


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 16 2018 13:44 GMT
#193933
On January 16 2018 13:51 mozoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2018 13:33 IgnE wrote:
On January 16 2018 12:55 ticklishmusic wrote:
I'm not really clear on why Chelsea Manning is qualified in any way for a senate seat.

Also, I'd recommend looking at Ben Cardin's resume and voting record before dismissing him as just some old white dude.


Other than being at least 30 years of age what makes one "qualified" for a senate seat? Are we not a country of citizen-legislators?

Under the law, thirty years of age is pretty much it. That said, I'd much rather my political representatives be modern philosopher-kings then the present day's most eye-catching celebrities--and the fact that much of the electorate apparently either disagrees or is too ignorant realize that name recognition is orthogonal to governing competence makes we question whether self-governance is all it's chalked up to be.

Phrased in another way, I think we'd be much worse off in the direct democracy that seems to be the gold standard modern peoples aspire to.

in case I haven't mentioned it before; the book in my sig is on this topic (the problems in democracy/voting and competence of the electorate) and a good academic read on the topic (very dense at times though).
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 16 2018 13:55 GMT
#193934
Are people actually pretending Chelsea Manning is worth supporting in an election? The amount of baggage is through the roof. People trying too hard to elevate the wrong trans people only hurting the cause.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 16 2018 13:58 GMT
#193935
On January 16 2018 22:55 Mohdoo wrote:
Are people actually pretending Chelsea Manning is worth supporting in an election? The amount of baggage is through the roof. People trying too hard to elevate the wrong trans people only hurting the cause.

People and the article act like this is the general election, not the primary.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9077 Posts
January 16 2018 14:09 GMT
#193936
On January 16 2018 22:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
A California city has brought charges against 12 people who defied a ban on feeding homeless people at a neighborhood park, as officials try to rein in a hepatitis A outbreak that has killed 20 people and prompted mass vaccinations and the bleaching of streets.

Officials in El Cajon, east of San Diego, argue that the ordinance aims to protect the public from hepatitis A, which has mostly affected those who are homeless or use drugs, by preventing the person-to-person transmission of pathogens. But activists have decried it as a draconian measure to criminalize homeless residents.

Jen Loving, a Bay Area advocate who has followed the situation, said it reflected a broader breakdown in trust, with locals losing confidence that their elected representatives have effective solutions for what, in other contexts, might be recognized as a humanitarian disaster.

“From afar, it feels like a community struggling with crisis and wanting consensus in a comprehensive solution to this problem,” said Loving. “This points to a much bigger issue all around the country. All communities are starved for long-term solutions for decreasing homelessness.”

Homelessness in the US has grown by about 1% since 2016, the first increase since the great recession, and it is driven by high rents on the east and west coasts. In San Diego County the numbers rose 5%.

In El Cajon on Sunday, a volunteer organization named Break the Ban manned tables offering breakfast bars, oranges and bananas, hygiene supplies and socks at a local park. Within an hour, the police arrived threatening to arrest those who defied the ban. Volunteers shouted angrily at them, and they began issuing misdemeanor citations.

Scott Dreher, an attorney to the organizers who was present at the event, described the ordinance a restriction on his free-speech rights. “It prevents me from exercising my right to share food with those people in need, which is an expression of speech by action,” he said. “There are other, non-first-amendment-restrictive, ways to accomplish the city’s stated goal of preventing the spread of hep A, namely, by cleaning up the parks and providing and encouraging use of public restrooms and hand-washing.”

Almost 600 people in the county have been infected with the disease, which is spread via fecal contamination, a symptom of the fact that homeless people have few places to use the bathroom and then wash their hands.

As well as spraying bleach and offering vaccinations, officials in San Diego have installed washing stations and erected huge tents to give people some protection from the elements. The city is also making longer-term plans: on Thursday, San Diego’s mayor, Kevin Faulconer, unveiled a homelessness plan that includes a tax hike, central intake hub and more shelter beds.

A homeless man at the feeding event, Berl Crist, said El Cajon, by contrast, “would rather take a hands-off inactive approach, by banning food sharing and making panhandling illegal.”

“It’s not a feeding ban,” said El Cajon spokesperson Monica Zech. “We want to protect the homeless by feeding them in a clean and safe environment. A park isn’t a clean environment.”


Source

Looks like I got out of there at the right time. SD is turning into a shittier place by the day it seems. I've been through El Cajon, nice enough place Downtown SD is where the homeless really gather. Can't go a block without seeing at least 5.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 16 2018 14:28 GMT
#193937
A couple years ago my town was talking about how to deal with a small homeless population. There was a small group of people in town that just wanted to expel/ban them, not really understanding that they would just come back.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 16 2018 14:46 GMT
#193938
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 16 2018 14:48 GMT
#193939
On January 16 2018 22:58 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2018 22:55 Mohdoo wrote:
Are people actually pretending Chelsea Manning is worth supporting in an election? The amount of baggage is through the roof. People trying too hard to elevate the wrong trans people only hurting the cause.

People and the article act like this is the general election, not the primary.


to be fair, it IS maryland. the dem primary is basically the election.
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9077 Posts
January 16 2018 14:50 GMT
#193940
On January 16 2018 23:28 Plansix wrote:
A couple years ago my town was talking about how to deal with a small homeless population. There was a small group of people in town that just wanted to expel/ban them, not really understanding that they would just come back.

I think that is the biggest thing. If you don't provide a place for them, they will just gather wherever. To SD's credit, they do have some homeless apartments and stuff. But the social net of helping them get out of that situation seems to be lacking in areas. There's just too many of them to realistically solve the problem or even slow it down.
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