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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 16 2018 14:59 GMT
#193941
On January 16 2018 23:50 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2018 23:28 Plansix wrote:
A couple years ago my town was talking about how to deal with a small homeless population. There was a small group of people in town that just wanted to expel/ban them, not really understanding that they would just come back.

I think that is the biggest thing. If you don't provide a place for them, they will just gather wherever. To SD's credit, they do have some homeless apartments and stuff. But the social net of helping them get out of that situation seems to be lacking in areas. There's just too many of them to realistically solve the problem or even slow it down.

There is a smaller section of the homeless that will never be able to be able to reach stability and live a “normal” life. Either due to mental illness or simply because they don’t want to. Any program that is created for the homeless needs to take that into account. The homeless population treats their city exactly as well as the city treats them.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
January 16 2018 15:05 GMT
#193942
On January 16 2018 23:59 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2018 23:50 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On January 16 2018 23:28 Plansix wrote:
A couple years ago my town was talking about how to deal with a small homeless population. There was a small group of people in town that just wanted to expel/ban them, not really understanding that they would just come back.

I think that is the biggest thing. If you don't provide a place for them, they will just gather wherever. To SD's credit, they do have some homeless apartments and stuff. But the social net of helping them get out of that situation seems to be lacking in areas. There's just too many of them to realistically solve the problem or even slow it down.

There is a smaller section of the homeless that will never be able to be able to reach stability and live a “normal” life. Either due to mental illness or simply because they don’t want to. Any program that is created for the homeless needs to take that into account. The homeless population treats their city exactly as well as the city treats them.

Or in the case of Portland, much much much much worse than the city treats them.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
January 16 2018 15:07 GMT
#193943
On January 17 2018 00:05 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2018 23:59 Plansix wrote:
On January 16 2018 23:50 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On January 16 2018 23:28 Plansix wrote:
A couple years ago my town was talking about how to deal with a small homeless population. There was a small group of people in town that just wanted to expel/ban them, not really understanding that they would just come back.

I think that is the biggest thing. If you don't provide a place for them, they will just gather wherever. To SD's credit, they do have some homeless apartments and stuff. But the social net of helping them get out of that situation seems to be lacking in areas. There's just too many of them to realistically solve the problem or even slow it down.

There is a smaller section of the homeless that will never be able to be able to reach stability and live a “normal” life. Either due to mental illness or simply because they don’t want to. Any program that is created for the homeless needs to take that into account. The homeless population treats their city exactly as well as the city treats them.

Or in the case of Portland, much much much much worse than the city treats them.


I don't know how LA treats its homeless, but man do the homeless TRASH LA
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 16 2018 15:12 GMT
#193944
On January 17 2018 00:05 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2018 23:59 Plansix wrote:
On January 16 2018 23:50 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On January 16 2018 23:28 Plansix wrote:
A couple years ago my town was talking about how to deal with a small homeless population. There was a small group of people in town that just wanted to expel/ban them, not really understanding that they would just come back.

I think that is the biggest thing. If you don't provide a place for them, they will just gather wherever. To SD's credit, they do have some homeless apartments and stuff. But the social net of helping them get out of that situation seems to be lacking in areas. There's just too many of them to realistically solve the problem or even slow it down.

There is a smaller section of the homeless that will never be able to be able to reach stability and live a “normal” life. Either due to mental illness or simply because they don’t want to. Any program that is created for the homeless needs to take that into account. The homeless population treats their city exactly as well as the city treats them.

Or in the case of Portland, much much much much worse than the city treats them.

My wife worked in poor and homeless housing for a bunch of years when we first meet. There are always bad actors in any community, but most homeless are just trying to exist in the world. I won’t comment on the local problems in Portland. But if Worcester MA can have a good relationship with its homeless community, city can do it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 16 2018 15:13 GMT
#193945
Holy hell what a shitty UI... One would think more money would be spent for additional protocols not just a text link.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
January 16 2018 15:17 GMT
#193946
On January 17 2018 00:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Holy hell what a shitty UI... One would think more money would be spent for additional protocols not just a text link.

https://twitter.com/CivilBeat/status/953127542050795520


I bet this was top of the line when it was made. Nobody ever upgrades for UX these days
Something witty
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-16 15:43:02
January 16 2018 15:40 GMT
#193947
the guy who made that probably made a bomb myspace page tho

at least put the "hey a nuke is gonna hit us" button separate from the others, geez.
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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
January 16 2018 15:41 GMT
#193948
Just click to send it out no confirmation... legitimately terribly design.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-16 15:45:54
January 16 2018 15:45 GMT
#193949
The UI is fine, why waste money on making something look pretty that gets used 1 minute per month or something. Ballistic missile attack just shouldn't be in the same category as Amber alert and tests. And they should probably add a 'are you sure you want to wake up the entire island' window
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
January 16 2018 15:49 GMT
#193950
On January 17 2018 00:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Holy hell what a shitty UI... One would think more money would be spent for additional protocols not just a text link.

https://twitter.com/CivilBeat/status/953127542050795520


This is going to end up in so many textbooks.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 16 2018 15:54 GMT
#193951
You would think it would have a “are you sure you want to send MESSAGE WARNING OF REAL ASS ATTACK, THIS IS NOT A DRILL” screen before sending the message out.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 16 2018 15:56 GMT
#193952
On January 16 2018 23:48 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2018 22:58 Plansix wrote:
On January 16 2018 22:55 Mohdoo wrote:
Are people actually pretending Chelsea Manning is worth supporting in an election? The amount of baggage is through the roof. People trying too hard to elevate the wrong trans people only hurting the cause.

People and the article act like this is the general election, not the primary.


to be fair, it IS maryland. the dem primary is basically the election.

Yes. It even happens in open primaries. In California, there's open primaries where the top-two vote getters appear on the general ballot for Senate.

They were both Democrats.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 16 2018 16:08 GMT
#193953
On January 17 2018 00:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Holy hell what a shitty UI... One would think more money would be spent for additional protocols not just a text link.

https://twitter.com/CivilBeat/status/953127542050795520

Exhibit A next time people wonder where govt got its bad rep. And then the Trumpmania tweets about how it's really his fault that Hawaii did a bad job of it. Sigh.



But you see Trump must have been informed immediately of the fake threat, so it's his fault for not telling people ...
The idiocy cycle continues.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 16 2018 16:08 GMT
#193954
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
January 16 2018 16:16 GMT
#193955
On January 16 2018 21:52 Grumbels wrote:
Glenn Greenwald is basically a personal friend of Chelsea Manning, and he has long been chronicling the endless attacks from centrist Dems on Manning as a Russian-backed mentally ill traitor whose torture was justified. Note that many conservatives have outright called for her execution and were very upset with Obama for ending her sentence. I find it very sickening. If I have to be honest, someone's response to Chelsea Manning is an immediate tell for me as to whether I agree with their politics or not. Some think she's a hero, others think she's a traitor, and I think in the end it comes down to whether you see the US government as a force of good in the world and whether you personally identify with them. I do not. The fact she was tortured and vilified for exposing the US government plays into that.

I don't necessarily support her senate race. I haven't looked into her current positions, but she's certainly not very likely to win and of course she has a very scandalous past. I have an aversion to, say, idolizing people as opposed to actions. I admire Manning for her actions in the past, but I honestly don't know if she would be a sound candidate. And on some level I don't want to find out.


I think I tend to agree with you on here.

Also to me a senate run seems like an odd choice; like someone who's been involved in something political, but hasn't really done any sort of leadership or governing seems like a decent fit for a representative, but I kinda expect more qualifications from a senator.

But at the same time Cardin does seem like a crappy politician that deserves to be challenged.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21904 Posts
January 16 2018 16:17 GMT
#193956
On January 17 2018 01:08 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2018 00:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Holy hell what a shitty UI... One would think more money would be spent for additional protocols not just a text link.

https://twitter.com/CivilBeat/status/953127542050795520

Exhibit A next time people wonder where govt got its bad rep. And then the Trumpmania tweets about how it's really his fault that Hawaii did a bad job of it. Sigh.

https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/952681044636991491

But you see Trump must have been informed immediately of the fake threat, so it's his fault for not telling people ...
The idiocy cycle continues.

Good thing then that nobody here was into the "Its Trumps fault".
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 16 2018 16:19 GMT
#193957
On January 17 2018 01:17 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2018 01:08 Danglars wrote:
On January 17 2018 00:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Holy hell what a shitty UI... One would think more money would be spent for additional protocols not just a text link.

https://twitter.com/CivilBeat/status/953127542050795520

Exhibit A next time people wonder where govt got its bad rep. And then the Trumpmania tweets about how it's really his fault that Hawaii did a bad job of it. Sigh.

https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/952681044636991491

But you see Trump must have been informed immediately of the fake threat, so it's his fault for not telling people ...
The idiocy cycle continues.

Good thing then that nobody here was into the "Its Trumps fault".

Offered in same vein as Grumbel's assertion that conservatives called for Manning's death.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
January 16 2018 16:20 GMT
#193958
On January 17 2018 01:17 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2018 01:08 Danglars wrote:
On January 17 2018 00:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Holy hell what a shitty UI... One would think more money would be spent for additional protocols not just a text link.

https://twitter.com/CivilBeat/status/953127542050795520

Exhibit A next time people wonder where govt got its bad rep. And then the Trumpmania tweets about how it's really his fault that Hawaii did a bad job of it. Sigh.

https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/952681044636991491

But you see Trump must have been informed immediately of the fake threat, so it's his fault for not telling people ...
The idiocy cycle continues.

Good thing then that nobody here was into the "Its Trumps fault".


Was anyone reasonable saying that? I saw a lot of criticism for Trump never commenting on the issue (at least not in a timely manner) and the fact that he was golfing (again) during the whole thing, but nothing that blamed him directly.
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Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
January 16 2018 16:21 GMT
#193959
On January 17 2018 01:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/953296685807087616


Does Bill Kristol ever tweet anything of substance, or is he just a hype-monger?

On the Hawaii issue, from the report I heard, there WAS a "Are you sure you want to do this?" popup window confirmation. However, it wasn't made clear if the same window pops up when they do a drill, and therefore would be completely ignored and part of the autopilot execution of the drill.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-16 16:23:15
January 16 2018 16:22 GMT
#193960
On January 17 2018 01:20 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2018 01:17 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 17 2018 01:08 Danglars wrote:
On January 17 2018 00:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Holy hell what a shitty UI... One would think more money would be spent for additional protocols not just a text link.

https://twitter.com/CivilBeat/status/953127542050795520

Exhibit A next time people wonder where govt got its bad rep. And then the Trumpmania tweets about how it's really his fault that Hawaii did a bad job of it. Sigh.

https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/952681044636991491

But you see Trump must have been informed immediately of the fake threat, so it's his fault for not telling people ...
The idiocy cycle continues.

Good thing then that nobody here was into the "Its Trumps fault".


Was anyone reasonable saying that? I saw a lot of criticism for Trump never commenting on the issue (at least not in a timely manner) and the fact that he was golfing (again) during the whole thing, but nothing that blamed him directly.

I don't recall anyone reasonable saying it; my memory fits with your description.

but of course someone somewhere will say otherwise; and the right-wing outrage machine makes a point of finding thsoe statements whereever they are no matter how obscure and pushing them out loudly so as to make the other side look bad. which then makes people reading from thsoe media think such thinsg are more common than they actually are.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
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