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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
Societal outlooks I believe are becoming more secular as well, atheism is on the rise, and conservative Christianity is becoming less common (though it still is the most common). To be completely honest I don't think it's avoidable in a world with this much communication, something like Tinder which in a truly right leaning society would probably be banned, cannot help but pull to the left, in my opinion. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12533 Posts
On January 12 2018 10:33 pmh wrote: Far left is now sanders supporters or maybe green party and far right is the tea party? Which alone speaks to how slanted to the right the playing field is. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On January 12 2018 10:38 bo1b wrote: I don't think there's a leg to stand on for society moving to the right, when in recent times the following major changes has occurred: The entire lgbt+ movement, gay marriage being passed, progressively more legalisation of weed (though this was only really made into a deal 50 years ago from what I can tell), massive changes in the way people are portrayed on television (take a look at how people were presented, eg a black man then, and a black man now), hell once upon a time better dead then red was a thing, not long ago Bernie Sanders was running for President and though he didn't win he wasn't immediately thrown in jail. it depends in part on the time frame you're looking at; there's a big difference in looking at a 50 or 100 year time frame than at a 10-30 year time frame. and it depends on the issue. (and of course on the definitions, which shift a fair bit over time) also note that you're emphasized social issues, rather than economic ones. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On January 12 2018 10:45 zlefin wrote: it depends in part on the time frame you're looking at; there's a big difference in looking at a 50 or 100 year time frame than at a 10-30 year time frame. and it depends on the issue. (and of course on the definitions, which shift a fair bit over time) I agree, this really should have been a discussion limited to a time frame. It's far too broad otherwise. I emphasized social issues as the person I was replying to asserted that the center and society was moving to the right. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
There isn’t a road to progress when you accuse others of secret motivations beyond the stated ones. I give my take on tons of subjects and current events here, but I can’t hope to satisfy everyone with my answers. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14203 Posts
On January 12 2018 10:55 farvacola wrote: The distinction between economics and social issues that underlies sentiments like "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" is incoherent anyways. If you don't think society and government bears collective responsibility for the plight of its worst off, you aren't socially liberal. And "socially liberal , economically conservatives" are really just libertarians at the end of the day. And those people are worse then commies. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On January 12 2018 11:00 Sermokala wrote: And "socially liberal , economically conservatives" are really just libertarians at the end of the day. And those people are worse then commies. libertarians are a subset of social liberal/econ conservatives. they're not the entirety of it. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12533 Posts
On January 12 2018 10:54 Danglars wrote: There isn’t a road to progress when you accuse others of secret motivations beyond the stated ones. I give my take on tons of subjects and current events here, but I can’t hope to satisfy everyone with my answers. Maybe you'll help me figure out how you can, without "secret motivations", believe at the same time that the sound strategy for other people is to move closer to where you are on pretty much every issue and compromise with your positions more, and at the same time never seem to compromise on anything yourself or think the strategy for your allies should include compromise - cf your opinion of Flake and other "RINOs", cf. your opinion of Donald Trump (not a big fan but "At least he fights"). | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 12 2018 11:00 Sermokala wrote: And "socially liberal , economically conservatives" are really just libertarians at the end of the day. And those people are worse then commies. At least commies want to solve problems. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 12 2018 11:00 Sermokala wrote: And "socially liberal , economically conservatives" are really just libertarians at the end of the day. And those people are worse then commies. This is way too kind to libertarians. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 12 2018 11:05 Nebuchad wrote: Maybe you'll help me figure out how you can, without "secret motivations", believe at the same time that the sound strategy for other people is to move closer to where you are on pretty much every issue and compromise with your positions more, and at the same time never seem to compromise on anything yourself or think the strategy for your allies should include compromise - cf your opinion of Flake and other "RINOs", cf. your opinion of Donald Trump (not a big fan but "At least he fights"). Just like as I said earlier (in this thread probably five to ten times): a great gap between the parties encourages my party to take for granted its conservatives. Hence, RINOs. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Also, CNN is fucking done. Had it. Don Lennon telling people people to shove it up their ass and "White Americans decided their pocket books were more important to protect than black people." | ||
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mozoku
United States708 Posts
On January 12 2018 08:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Alright then... Did this guy sleep through the 2016 election or something? I don't like Trump's immigration policy, but it's pretty clear that Trump has the support of a lot of rural American on this one. He's definitely not alone. His authority is that he's the president (obviously), and his biggest campaign issue was immigration. If Trump has a mandate for anything (debatable sure), it's for immigration restrictions. Glad this guy took the opportunity to stand on his soapbox and further his brand I guess though. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Also, it is popular to say that you are going to crack down on immigration. Deporting millions of people is not popular. It is a clear case of people wanting a thing, but not wanting the consequences of obtaining that thing. | ||
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