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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23246 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-12 04:37:44
January 12 2018 04:36 GMT
#193381
On January 12 2018 13:26 Plansix wrote:


Also, CNN is fucking done. Had it. Don Lennon telling people people to shove it up their ass and "White Americans decided their pocket books were more important to protect than black people."


You should only quote Bill Kristol to point out how terrible, stupid, or terribly stupid and wrong he is. This whole welcoming him to the resistance thing makes me nauseous.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 12 2018 04:42 GMT
#193382
On January 12 2018 13:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2018 13:26 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/951637572576477184

Also, CNN is fucking done. Had it. Don Lennon telling people people to shove it up their ass and "White Americans decided their pocket books were more important to protect than black people."


You should only quote Bill Kristol to point out how terrible, stupid, or terribly stupid and wrong he is. This whole welcoming him to the resistance thing makes me nauseous.

Bill Kristol has been dunking on Trump since 2016. This is nothing new. I dislike Bill a lot, but I'll take the devil I know isn't a true garbage human.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23246 Posts
January 12 2018 04:50 GMT
#193383
On January 12 2018 13:42 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2018 13:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
On January 12 2018 13:26 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/951637572576477184

Also, CNN is fucking done. Had it. Don Lennon telling people people to shove it up their ass and "White Americans decided their pocket books were more important to protect than black people."


You should only quote Bill Kristol to point out how terrible, stupid, or terribly stupid and wrong he is. This whole welcoming him to the resistance thing makes me nauseous.

Bill Kristol has been dunking on Trump since 2016. This is nothing new. I dislike Bill a lot, but I'll take the devil I know isn't a true garbage human.


It's a pretty short list of American public media figures that are more garbage tier humans than Bill Kristol.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 12 2018 04:56 GMT
#193384
On January 12 2018 13:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2018 13:42 Plansix wrote:
On January 12 2018 13:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
On January 12 2018 13:26 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/951637572576477184

Also, CNN is fucking done. Had it. Don Lennon telling people people to shove it up their ass and "White Americans decided their pocket books were more important to protect than black people."


You should only quote Bill Kristol to point out how terrible, stupid, or terribly stupid and wrong he is. This whole welcoming him to the resistance thing makes me nauseous.

Bill Kristol has been dunking on Trump since 2016. This is nothing new. I dislike Bill a lot, but I'll take the devil I know isn't a true garbage human.


It's a pretty short list of American public media figures that are more garbage tier humans than Bill Kristol.

But he doesn't want to deport legal immigrants and end DACA, so I take it where I can get it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23246 Posts
January 12 2018 05:02 GMT
#193385
On January 12 2018 13:56 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2018 13:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On January 12 2018 13:42 Plansix wrote:
On January 12 2018 13:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
On January 12 2018 13:26 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/951637572576477184

Also, CNN is fucking done. Had it. Don Lennon telling people people to shove it up their ass and "White Americans decided their pocket books were more important to protect than black people."


You should only quote Bill Kristol to point out how terrible, stupid, or terribly stupid and wrong he is. This whole welcoming him to the resistance thing makes me nauseous.

Bill Kristol has been dunking on Trump since 2016. This is nothing new. I dislike Bill a lot, but I'll take the devil I know isn't a true garbage human.


It's a pretty short list of American public media figures that are more garbage tier humans than Bill Kristol.

But he doesn't want to deport legal immigrants and end DACA, so I take it where I can get it.


Would prefer they join the military so he can cheerleader them into a war for profit. He's a despicable person that shouldn't be held up as anything but such.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 12 2018 05:06 GMT
#193386
Your opinion is noted.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 12 2018 05:11 GMT
#193387
On January 12 2018 13:26 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/951637572576477184

Also, CNN is fucking done. Had it. Don Lennon telling people people to shove it up their ass and "White Americans decided their pocket books were more important to protect than black people."

Pretty good example of unreasonable behavior.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
January 12 2018 05:21 GMT
#193388
On January 12 2018 07:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Someone finally said it.



We are the shithole country.

Are you kidding me?

Ever seen the millions of people living in shanties in Africa without even basic plumbing? Did you know that 60% of Cape Town, the richest city in the richest country in Africa, is composed of those kind of shanties? Every house and hotel and apartment building and school in that city is surrounding by walls topped with barbed wire. And, again, this is the wealthiest city in Africa.

30k a year would be a dream come true for any of those people. It would mean decent food, housing, and a flush toilet.

mozoku
Profile Joined September 2012
United States708 Posts
January 12 2018 05:23 GMT
#193389
On January 12 2018 13:32 Plansix wrote:
That is the former President of Mexico. He doesn't need to further his brand, he also presided over his entire nation. Once reach the highest office of your own country, you are done.

Also, it is popular to say that you are going to crack down on immigration. Deporting millions of people is not popular. It is a clear case of people wanting a thing, but not wanting the consequences of obtaining that thing.

He was president of Mexico twelve years ago, and has apparently attempted to remain a public figure since. He also seems to be under investigation for profiting off of his presidency illegally. I'm sure his tweeting is totally unrelated to his public life and work though.

If you want to remain a public figure after retiring from politics, as Fox obviously does, tweeting is major part of reminding people you're still around.

There are very few, if any, public figures tweeting without some political/business/marketing/etc. reason for doing so. It's too much work and few people that have been successful get their kicks from informing the world of their opinion on social media. And if you're not a public figure, it's even worse because there's a good chance your business/day job benefits from your Twitter self-promotion.

Twitter is just an awful place for getting quality information or informed opinions.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 12 2018 05:24 GMT
#193390
On January 12 2018 13:28 mozoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2018 08:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Alright then...


Did this guy sleep through the 2016 election or something?

I don't like Trump's immigration policy, but it's pretty clear that Trump has the support of a lot of rural American on this one. He's definitely not alone. His authority is that he's the president (obviously), and his biggest campaign issue was immigration. If Trump has a mandate for anything (debatable sure), it's for immigration restrictions.

Glad this guy took the opportunity to stand on his soapbox and further his brand I guess though.

Trump couldn’t have done better if he paid Fox to say it. Herp derp, the elected leader who made immigration his primary campaign topic doesn’t have a say in who is and isn’t invited in, but here I am telling you about it!

He secretly wants Trump re-elected. It’s like a campaign ad.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 12 2018 05:26 GMT
#193391
You didn’t know who he was and just assumed he was some twitter rando trying to dunk on trump. No need to double down on the brand comment.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
mozoku
Profile Joined September 2012
United States708 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-12 05:41:31
January 12 2018 05:38 GMT
#193392
I intentionally tried to avoid implying like I knew who he was before my first comment. It was, in fact, part of my point: I can make such accusation out of total ignorance, be called out, look up their history, and have my initial allegation made of (ostensible) ignorance turn out to be true. The entire Twitter ecosystem is basically built on these people. It's like the only reason the site's still around.

I will walk back my statement a tad and acknowledge that there probably are people just quietly using Twitter to remain connected to their supporters. It's easy to pick out which is which though because one group's posts are full of dramatic pandering and other obvious marketing strategies, and the other group sound like actual human beings. James Comey and Barrack Obama are decent examples--public figures who have retired relatively quietly and sparingly post non-pander-y tweets here and there.

That said, I don't strongly doubt Obama will eventually try to return to the public eye (which I, for the record, have no issues with) and Twitter will probably play a role in doing so if he does.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 12 2018 05:55 GMT
#193393
(CNN) ((Sensitive language warning))
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 12 2018 06:02 GMT
#193394
Top tier reporting
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35153 Posts
January 12 2018 06:05 GMT
#193395
On January 12 2018 14:21 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2018 07:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Someone finally said it.

https://twitter.com/KyleKulinski/status/951587982129221632

We are the shithole country.

Are you kidding me?

Ever seen the millions of people living in shanties in Africa without even basic plumbing? Did you know that 60% of Cape Town, the richest city in the richest country in Africa, is composed of those kind of shanties? Every house and hotel and apartment building and school in that city is surrounding by walls topped with barbed wire. And, again, this is the wealthiest city in Africa.

30k a year would be a dream come true for any of those people. It would mean decent food, housing, and a flush toilet.


Apples and Oranges. Of first world countries, which is often decried as being the best one, the USA is a shitty one.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
January 12 2018 06:12 GMT
#193396
On January 12 2018 14:23 mozoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2018 13:32 Plansix wrote:
That is the former President of Mexico. He doesn't need to further his brand, he also presided over his entire nation. Once reach the highest office of your own country, you are done.

Also, it is popular to say that you are going to crack down on immigration. Deporting millions of people is not popular. It is a clear case of people wanting a thing, but not wanting the consequences of obtaining that thing.

He was president of Mexico twelve years ago, and has apparently attempted to remain a public figure since. He also seems to be under investigation for profiting off of his presidency illegally. I'm sure his tweeting is totally unrelated to his public life and work though.

If you want to remain a public figure after retiring from politics, as Fox obviously does, tweeting is major part of reminding people you're still around.

There are very few, if any, public figures tweeting without some political/business/marketing/etc. reason for doing so. It's too much work and few people that have been successful get their kicks from informing the world of their opinion on social media. And if you're not a public figure, it's even worse because there's a good chance your business/day job benefits from your Twitter self-promotion.

Twitter is just an awful place for getting quality information or informed opinions.

It just occurred to me that most ex-presidents step out of the spotlight after their time is up, and there is no way Trump is going to let that happen. US politics is going to be muddled by his tweets and controversy until the day he dies. If he loses in 2020, just imagine all the criticism and insecurity that he's going to be flinging at his successor.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
January 12 2018 06:15 GMT
#193397
On January 12 2018 15:05 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2018 14:21 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On January 12 2018 07:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Someone finally said it.

https://twitter.com/KyleKulinski/status/951587982129221632

We are the shithole country.

Are you kidding me?

Ever seen the millions of people living in shanties in Africa without even basic plumbing? Did you know that 60% of Cape Town, the richest city in the richest country in Africa, is composed of those kind of shanties? Every house and hotel and apartment building and school in that city is surrounding by walls topped with barbed wire. And, again, this is the wealthiest city in Africa.

30k a year would be a dream come true for any of those people. It would mean decent food, housing, and a flush toilet.


Apples and Oranges. Of first world countries, which is often decried as being the best one, the USA is a shitty one.


From the perspective of someone working in chemistry, no country really even comes close to the USA.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 12 2018 06:18 GMT
#193398
Does this mean that someone trying to not be sent back Haiti could argue that it's a complete shit hole and amounts to unlivable circumstances or something?
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11519 Posts
January 12 2018 06:39 GMT
#193399
Or, for example, El Salvador?
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
January 12 2018 06:43 GMT
#193400
On January 12 2018 15:15 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2018 15:05 Gahlo wrote:
On January 12 2018 14:21 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On January 12 2018 07:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Someone finally said it.

https://twitter.com/KyleKulinski/status/951587982129221632

We are the shithole country.

Are you kidding me?

Ever seen the millions of people living in shanties in Africa without even basic plumbing? Did you know that 60% of Cape Town, the richest city in the richest country in Africa, is composed of those kind of shanties? Every house and hotel and apartment building and school in that city is surrounding by walls topped with barbed wire. And, again, this is the wealthiest city in Africa.

30k a year would be a dream come true for any of those people. It would mean decent food, housing, and a flush toilet.


Apples and Oranges. Of first world countries, which is often decried as being the best one, the USA is a shitty one.


From the perspective of someone working in chemistry, no country really even comes close to the USA.


Do we live longer? No
Do we have better health care? No
Are we happier? No
Is our education better? Nooooooooooooooooooo

I kinda want to know what is it that the USA does so much better than everyone else? We have a large economy but that does not really benefit most people involved in it. We work FAR more hours but thats probably part of why life expectancy is lower.
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