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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
January 04 2018 04:13 GMT
#192581
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 04 2018 04:55 GMT
#192582
Remember the bets ladies and gents...

Lawmakers concerned about President Donald Trump’s mental state summoned Yale University psychiatry professor Dr. Bandy X. Lee to Capitol Hill last month for two days of briefings about his recent behavior.

In private meetings with more than a dozen members of Congress held on Dec. 5 and 6, Lee briefed lawmakers — all Democrats except for one Republican senator, whom Lee declined to identify. Her professional warning to Capitol Hill: “He’s going to unravel, and we are seeing the signs.”

In an interview, she pointed to Trump “going back to conspiracy theories, denying things he has admitted before, his being drawn to violent videos.” Lee also warned, “We feel that the rush of tweeting is an indication of his falling apart under stress. Trump is going to get worse and will become uncontainable with the pressures of the presidency.”

Lee, editor of “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump,” which includes testimonials from 27 psychiatrists and mental health experts assessing the president’s level of “dangerousness,” said that she was surprised by the interest in her findings during her two days in Washington. “One senator said that it was the meeting he most looked forward to in 11 years,” Lee recalled. “Their level of concern about the president’s dangerousness was surprisingly high.”

The conversation about Trump’s fitness to serve is ongoing — and gaining steam after Trump’s tweet this week taunting the leader of North Korea with my-nuclear-button-is-bigger-than-yours bravado.

“Will someone from his depleted and food starved regime please inform him that I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!” the president wrote online Tuesday night.

The tweet resuscitated the conversation about the president’s mental state and the 25th Amendment, which allows for the removal of the president from office if the vice president and a majority of the Cabinet deem him physically or mentally “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.”

The amendment is purposefully set up to require a high burden of proof, and there is no evidence that Vice President Mike Pence or the majority of Trump’s Cabinet have turned on him. But Trump’s Tuesday night nuclear taunt managed to cause alarm even within his own party.

If there was mounting concern before the New Year about Trump’s mental state among Democrats on the Hill, the tide had been moving in the opposite direction among Republicans. In the final weeks of 2017, with a tax bill sailing toward passage and enough federal court judicial nominees pushed through to successfully reshape the judiciary, Republicans, in general, were moving toward a state of at least semi-acceptance of their unorthodox president. “The tendency was anti-alarmism among Republicans,” said Bill Kristol, editor at large of The Weekly Standard and one of Washington’s leading conservative voices.

That made Trump’s sudden fit of saber-rattling “more jolting,” according to Kristol — and it reopened the national conversation about the president’s mental stability. “I was focused on Iran, and talking to people in the administration about serious policy,” Kristol added, “and then to see in the middle of what might be a serious policymaking process, Trump’s just flipping out.”

On Wednesday, Kristol tweeted: “I trust @VP has asked his Counsel to prepare a draft document transferring power in accord with Sec. 4 of 25th Amendment in case it’s suddenly needed, & that he’s discussed this with COS Kelly.”

A spokeswoman for Pence did not respond to a request for comment.

Richard Painter, who served as chief White House ethics lawyer under President George W. Bush, tweeted on Tuesday of the president’s comments about North Korea, “This Tweet alone is grounds for removal from office under the 25th Amendment. This man should not have nukes.”

White House officials shrug off any conversation about the president’s mental state eventually driving him out of office as nothing more than a liberal fantasy and a longtime hobby horse of the die-hard “Never Trumpers.”

Asked about the president’s mental state on Wednesday, press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders insisted there is nothing to worry about. “The president and the people of this country should be concerned about the mental fitness of the leader of North Korea,” she said during the daily press briefing. “This is a president who is not going to cower down.”

Facing renewed questions about his own mental capacity, Trump on Wednesday also turned the tables on his former chief strategist, Steve Bannon, painting him as the one who is unhinged. “When he was fired, he not only lost his job, he lost his mind,” the president said in a statement, reacting to an explosive new book on his campaign and early presidency by Michael Wolff, "Fire and Fury: Inside the White House."

Some legal experts warned the conversation about Trump’s fitness could be dangerous to democracy.

“The 25th Amendment would require, for mental incapacity, a major psychotic break,” said former Harvard Law School professor Alan Dershowitz. “This is hope over reality. If we don’t like someone’s politics we rail against him, we campaign against him, we don’t use the psychiatric system against him. That’s just dangerous.”

Nonetheless, the president’s Twitter feed continues to reignite questions about his fitness for office.

On Wednesday, Lee and two other medical professionals released a statement following Trump’s late night Tweet baiting Kim Jung Un into a potential nuclear war. “We write as mental health professionals who have been deeply concerned about Donald Trump’s psychological aberrations,” the statement read.

“We believe that he is now further unraveling in ways that contribute to his belligerent nuclear threats. ... We urge that those around him, and our elected representatives in general, take urgent steps to restrain his behavior and head off the potential nuclear catastrophe that endangers not only Korea and the United States but all of humankind.” The statement, released on behalf of the National Coalition of Concerned Mental Health Experts, was signed by more than 100 medical professionals.

Sanders declined to comment on the statement.

But Lee’s campaign on Capitol Hill is far from over. Later this month, she has been invited to speak in front of another group of lawmakers, hosted by Connecticut Democratic Rep. Rosa DeLauro at her home. And she has been invited to speak at a town hall by Maryland Democratic Rep. Jamie Raskin, who has proposed a bill to set up a commission to evaluate the president’s fitness for office.

Raskin’s bill would create a body in Congress to evaluate the president’s fitness. “The judgment [about the president’s mental state] is not mine to make,” the freshman congressman said in an interview. “The judgment constitutionally is to be made by the vice president and the Cabinet, or the vice president and a new body. We have an institutional responsibility to set that body up.”

Over the past few months, Raskin said he has seen “a rising chorus of questions about this.” A bill that was at first viewed as a lark, with few co-sponsors, now has 56 co-sponsors. “Lawmakers, the media and lots of people in the public have been calling me about my bill,” he said. “The tweet yesterday set off alarm bells across the country. I’m trying to reassure people that our Constitution has a provision to deal with this.”

Some Trump allies have begun to worry about the conversation gaining steam. After The New York Times reported last November that Trump was denying the veracity of the infamous “Access Hollywood” tape — which he had previously acknowledged and apologized for — one former campaign aide called the story a “shot across the bow to invoke the 25th Amendment.”

Trump allies outside the administration also expressed concern that the president was left unstaffed during his Mar-a-Lago vacation last week — when he sat for an interview with The New York Times that was not planned for or cleared with his top aides. “Why was he there with no senior staff?” said one former aide. “It’s like he has nothing to do with running the government.”


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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 04 2018 05:00 GMT
#192583
On January 04 2018 13:06 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2018 12:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


As if he didn't seem like enough of a truly cartoonish douchebag. Holy god, I wonder if half of that is real, I mean CAN it be? I mean is anyone REALLY like that?

I mean he did include a mother-of-all-disclaimer at the beginning, so take it all with a grain of salt.


Your usual outlets will attempt to corroborate. Some of these appear to be well sourced and some disputed accounts. He is a biollionaire playboy that likes to brag so I’m already 3/4 of the way there myself.


We’ve got ourselves a deal. Four months late, but finally.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
January 04 2018 05:02 GMT
#192584
On January 04 2018 10:47 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Just saying.


I've lost track of Flynn's meetings with questionable Turkish people, but is that the meeting where Flynn pitched his insanely illegal black ops extraordinary rendition of Gulen to Turkey?

On January 04 2018 10:46 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2018 09:17 farvacola wrote:
President Donald Trump has signed an executive order disbanding his voter fraud commission.

A White House statement is blaming the decision on numerous states that have refused to provide voter information to the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity.

White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders says that, "Rather than engage in endless legal battles at taxpayer expense," Trump has signed an order to dissolve the commission and asked the Department of Homeland Security to determine the administration's next steps.

Critics saw the commission as part of a conservative campaign to strip minority voters and poor people from the voter rolls, and to justify unfounded claims made by Trump that voter fraud cost him the popular vote in 2016.

Past studies have found voter fraud to be exceptionally rare.


Trump dissolves controversial election fraud commission, says states fought information requests


They found so much evidence that they didn't have time to handle it all. We must have voter IDs.


No, you see, they didn't want to spend endless time and money in court to fight the states to get the evidence that they already had. It all makes sense.
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
January 04 2018 05:16 GMT
#192585
On January 04 2018 14:02 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2018 10:47 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Just saying.

https://twitter.com/yottapoint/status/845712917764845568

I've lost track of Flynn's meetings with questionable Turkish people, but is that the meeting where Flynn pitched his insanely illegal black ops extraordinary rendition of Gulen to Turkey?

Show nested quote +
On January 04 2018 10:46 Doodsmack wrote:
On January 04 2018 09:17 farvacola wrote:
President Donald Trump has signed an executive order disbanding his voter fraud commission.

A White House statement is blaming the decision on numerous states that have refused to provide voter information to the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity.

White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders says that, "Rather than engage in endless legal battles at taxpayer expense," Trump has signed an order to dissolve the commission and asked the Department of Homeland Security to determine the administration's next steps.

Critics saw the commission as part of a conservative campaign to strip minority voters and poor people from the voter rolls, and to justify unfounded claims made by Trump that voter fraud cost him the popular vote in 2016.

Past studies have found voter fraud to be exceptionally rare.


Trump dissolves controversial election fraud commission, says states fought information requests


They found so much evidence that they didn't have time to handle it all. We must have voter IDs.


No, you see, they didn't want to spend endless time and money in court to fight the states to get the evidence that they already had. It all makes sense.


You aren't the only one. I'm not sure. I'm just saying Nunes is a piece of shit and Danglars is either trolling or willfully ignorant. That's all.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 05:45:42
January 04 2018 05:35 GMT
#192586
Personally, I am shocked-SHOCKED-that the voting fraud commission run by a man who thinks one to one data linkage is how to identify voter fraud that didn't have a single person capable of handling the necessary data merging or any plan for how to combine these records was dissolved. It's almost like the specter of the illegal voting boogeyman is the main priority of Republicans (which is why they almost never actually go through with it when it comes to recounts and other formal investigations post hoc).

On January 04 2018 14:35 Mohdoo wrote:
I don't understand this cease and desist nonsense. What would that do? The book is done and out there. It's all done with. What would Bannon be ceasing?


I think Bannon could stop sales of the book as an actual book. He probably reserved a lot of publishing rights. Actually I guess it's not even his book, so maybe not? Depends on how much of a role he had.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15689 Posts
January 04 2018 05:35 GMT
#192587
I don't understand this cease and desist nonsense. What would that do? The book is done and out there. It's all done with. What would Bannon be ceasing?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 04 2018 05:48 GMT
#192588
That and Bannon didn't write it.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21685 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 10:07:59
January 04 2018 10:06 GMT
#192589
On January 04 2018 10:51 mozoku wrote:
Is Twitter really the best place for journalism that requires 46 serial tweets?

When the public stops consuming news from newspapers and their websites, what other way do you have to get your story out?

The real question is not 'why are they using Twitter'. Its 'why is twitter the only way to get people to read news'.

On January 04 2018 14:35 Mohdoo wrote:
I don't understand this cease and desist nonsense. What would that do? The book is done and out there. It's all done with. What would Bannon be ceasing?

Your talk about Trumps lawyer, history tells us his actions do not need to make sense.
Trump likely shouted at him a lot to stop Bannon, so in order to appear useful the lawyer send the C&D, knowing full well it is entirely pointless but getting payed regardless so why would he care.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
January 04 2018 10:31 GMT
#192590
On January 04 2018 10:56 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2018 03:28 Doodsmack wrote:
What’s funny is how many lies are packed into this statement.


He put this man on the Nation Security Council but he hardly knew him and he was of no importance....?



Bearing in mind that Trump thinks nobody matters but him, the statement makes a lot more sense and is likely true from Trump's perspective. Also remember it's been widely reported that he deeply resented Bannon receiving any credit for his win despite the fact Bannon clearly helped him win and turned his campaign around. You can bet he'd do a scorched earth on Kellyanne Conway as well, despite her clearly helping as well, in similar circumstances.

There's no gentle parting of the ways in this administration; it's under the bus for everyone. And, quite often, head pointed towards jail by the looks of things.

As for the book... it seems a bit reckless? Unless the guy can corroborate a lot of it, it's just a bit of partisan hackery that reveals nothing.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 04 2018 12:09 GMT
#192591
FRANKFURT/MUNICH (Reuters) - Insurers will have to pay claims of around $135 billion for 2017, the most ever, following a spate of hurricanes, earthquakes and fires in North America, according to a report published on Thursday.

German reinsurer Munich Re, in its annual natural catastrophe review, also said last year’s total losses, including those not insured, were $330 billion, the second-worst in history after 2011 when an earthquake and tsunami wreaked havoc in Japan.

Although individual events could not be linked directly to climate change, global warming is playing a role, Munich Re said. It expected more frequent extreme events in future.

“We have a new normal,” said Ernst Rauch, head of Munich Re’s Corporate Climate Center, which monitors climate change risks.

“2017 was not an outlier,” he said, noting insured losses have surpassed $100 billion multiple times since 2005. “We must have on our radar the trend of new magnitudes.”

Last year’s hurricanes Harvey, Irma and Maria in the United States and Caribbean, wildfires in California and earthquakes in Mexico destroyed homes, infrastructure and numerous lives.

The disasters also rocked global insurers. Munich Re and Hannover Re both issued profit warnings.

That dealt a blow to a sector already struggling with thin margins, stiff competition and falling prices.

Munich Re’s tally for the industry comes on the back of other estimates that underscored the severity of 2017.

In December, Swiss Re estimated global insured losses from catastrophes would hit $136 billion in 2017, the third-highest on record for the sector, with the United States hardest hit. That figure is not directly comparable to Munich Re’s estimates as it includes man-made disasters.

Reinsurers, which are in the business of insuring insurance, are experts in managing risk and rarely get caught off guard. Analysts have said reinsurers may need to take a fresh look at their risk models as the planet warms and storms become more intense.

A big question for the industry has been whether the run of catastrophes would allow them to achieve higher prices for their coverage, which have been in decline for years.

Early indications suggest modest increases. Global property reinsurance prices rose less than expected in the key Jan. 1 renewal season, with strong competition limiting increases to single digit percentages, brokers said this week.

A turnaround in prices would be the first major reversal since Hurricane Katrina in 2005.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 04 2018 13:12 GMT
#192592


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 04 2018 13:34 GMT
#192593
On January 04 2018 13:06 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2018 12:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/948676945121828864


As if he didn't seem like enough of a truly cartoonish douchebag. Holy god, I wonder if half of that is real, I mean CAN it be? I mean is anyone REALLY like that?

I don't know whether any of it is accurate in this case; but yes, quite a lot of people are like that.
the list of things some men will do to get in women's pants is very long and includes far worse, so this would not be a surprise at all.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 04 2018 14:06 GMT
#192594
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
January 04 2018 14:14 GMT
#192595
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 04 2018 14:24 GMT
#192596
There are tapes.

https://www.axios.com/how-michael-wolff-did-it-2522360813.html
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35150 Posts
January 04 2018 14:29 GMT
#192597
On January 04 2018 23:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
There are tapes.

https://www.axios.com/how-michael-wolff-did-it-2522360813.html

See, Comey did it! /s
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 15:02:17
January 04 2018 15:01 GMT
#192598
The repetition angle is worrisome because that’s exactly the same thing that happened to my grandmother as her health declined.

I mean she always retread topics endlessly, but when she was healthy it was more riffs on the same idea than repetition. As she got older the variations gave way to repetiton, and the conversational cycles got shorter and shorter.

This just in, maybe we shouldn’t elect people age 70+ to the highest stress job in the country.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18827 Posts
January 04 2018 15:05 GMT
#192599
I don't think an arbitrary age line makes too much sense; there are plenty of senior status federal judges still as sharp as ever and some are pushing 80. That said, we should be able to screen candidates more thoroughly.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12177 Posts
January 04 2018 15:18 GMT
#192600
He's about to get dumped isn't he.
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