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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 27 2017 05:06 GMT
#186521
On November 27 2017 11:59 doomdonker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2017 11:05 LegalLord wrote:
Bummer to hear that from a columnist I actually think is pretty good.


I don't think there's anything wrong with his statement. Its not a binary statement where if you don't support Trump, you support the Democratic Party. You can still support, say, Mike Pence or choose some other conservative politician.

At this point, you're dumber than a sack of bricks if you STILL support Trump. We're talking about a man who clearly understands little about the world, who barely does his job, is obsessed with the media instead of America, doesn't give a shit about the people he specifically campaigned for, is flipflopping around what he campaigned for and is busy trying enrich himself and his family through the most powerful office in the world.

If you look at all of this and still think "fake news", there's nothing to talk to you about because you're living in a different reality. He's an utter legislative failure whose only achievement is getting a SC appointed, despite having majorities in both the house and senate. Which wasn't even his success but rather McConnell pulling the strings. You can't even say that he's like Jimmy Carter either because Trump is objectively a terrible person.

It's a very dangerous thing to declare there is only one opinion left to have on the situation, and to ruin personal friendships over politics. I still think he's worthy of support on some issues and opposition on others. He has helpfully made great progress bringing attention to some of society's discarded topics (in ways where polite discourse just gets dismissed, you racist bigots). If you declare there is no reason to support him whatsoever and will politicize your interpersonal friendships, there's less reason to hope for a period of national healing and unity in the future. Talk to the other side and don't rely on the right or left's propaganda to color your judgments.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
November 27 2017 05:34 GMT
#186522
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24025 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-27 05:42:41
November 27 2017 05:39 GMT
#186523
On November 27 2017 14:06 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2017 11:59 doomdonker wrote:
On November 27 2017 11:05 LegalLord wrote:
Bummer to hear that from a columnist I actually think is pretty good.


I don't think there's anything wrong with his statement. Its not a binary statement where if you don't support Trump, you support the Democratic Party. You can still support, say, Mike Pence or choose some other conservative politician.

At this point, you're dumber than a sack of bricks if you STILL support Trump. We're talking about a man who clearly understands little about the world, who barely does his job, is obsessed with the media instead of America, doesn't give a shit about the people he specifically campaigned for, is flipflopping around what he campaigned for and is busy trying enrich himself and his family through the most powerful office in the world.

If you look at all of this and still think "fake news", there's nothing to talk to you about because you're living in a different reality. He's an utter legislative failure whose only achievement is getting a SC appointed, despite having majorities in both the house and senate. Which wasn't even his success but rather McConnell pulling the strings. You can't even say that he's like Jimmy Carter either because Trump is objectively a terrible person.

It's a very dangerous thing to declare there is only one opinion left to have on the situation, and to ruin personal friendships over politics. I still think he's worthy of support on some issues and opposition on others. He has helpfully made great progress bringing attention to some of society's discarded topics (in ways where polite discourse just gets dismissed, you racist bigots). If you declare there is no reason to support him whatsoever and will politicize your interpersonal friendships, there's less reason to hope for a period of national healing and unity in the future. Talk to the other side and don't rely on the right or left's propaganda to color your judgments.


I don't understand how people separate advocating policy that destroys someone's life and their "personal relationships" I think this is something that primarily exists where people have differences on political opinion but neither is really threatened by the potential outcomes.

If you're trying to get my brother deported after he worked his ass off in this country and paid taxes because of some ignorant and bigoted imperialist mindset, you are not my friend. Doesn't matter if you're otherwise polite and think it's just a difference of opinion.

On November 27 2017 14:34 Doodsmack wrote:
https://twitter.com/genmhayden/status/934640869562515457


Says the guy who helped lie for the Bush Administration to get us into Iraq...
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
November 27 2017 05:41 GMT
#186524
There is no defense for trump, not at this point. Danglars with the hilarious unity line when our president is one of the best dividers we've seen in quite some time. He may have had some ideas neglected by democrats, which he was able to bring to the forefront with hilarious rhetoric, that's the most I can say about him. He brings out the worst in us as a nation and is the absolute opposite of unity or healing.
Question.?
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
November 27 2017 06:10 GMT
#186525
On November 27 2017 14:06 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2017 11:59 doomdonker wrote:
On November 27 2017 11:05 LegalLord wrote:
Bummer to hear that from a columnist I actually think is pretty good.


I don't think there's anything wrong with his statement. Its not a binary statement where if you don't support Trump, you support the Democratic Party. You can still support, say, Mike Pence or choose some other conservative politician.

At this point, you're dumber than a sack of bricks if you STILL support Trump. We're talking about a man who clearly understands little about the world, who barely does his job, is obsessed with the media instead of America, doesn't give a shit about the people he specifically campaigned for, is flipflopping around what he campaigned for and is busy trying enrich himself and his family through the most powerful office in the world.

If you look at all of this and still think "fake news", there's nothing to talk to you about because you're living in a different reality. He's an utter legislative failure whose only achievement is getting a SC appointed, despite having majorities in both the house and senate. Which wasn't even his success but rather McConnell pulling the strings. You can't even say that he's like Jimmy Carter either because Trump is objectively a terrible person.

It's a very dangerous thing to declare there is only one opinion left to have on the situation, and to ruin personal friendships over politics. I still think he's worthy of support on some issues and opposition on others. He has helpfully made great progress bringing attention to some of society's discarded topics (in ways where polite discourse just gets dismissed, you racist bigots). If you declare there is no reason to support him whatsoever and will politicize your interpersonal friendships, there's less reason to hope for a period of national healing and unity in the future. Talk to the other side and don't rely on the right or left's propaganda to color your judgments.

It's fine to preach healing and unity, but you're choosing the wrong person to blame. The blame lies with the person actively sowing the damage and the disunity. The blame lies with the person who launches a social media war against anyone and everyone who says things he disagrees with. The blame lies with the person who calls for brown people to be fired when they make a statement about racism, and conveniently ignores white people who do the same. The blame lies with the person who campaigned on a wall, to keep the rapists out of our country, that the rapists would pay for. The blame lies with the man who sides with a sex offender and pedophile, silencing women when it's convenient for him politically. The blame lies with the person who says he'll drain the swamp, then hires people who are even deeper in companies' pockets, threatening our free speech.

You're absolving the president of a lot of responsibility in what he has done when you think "the left" is to blame for everything. He's gotten where he is by sowing chaos and discord among Americans, inciting and encouraging hate crimes and marginalizing people who just want to be treated the same as you. He has a very loud mouth, and people like you listen to him. Consider that.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-27 06:24:55
November 27 2017 06:23 GMT
#186526
On November 27 2017 15:10 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2017 14:06 Danglars wrote:
On November 27 2017 11:59 doomdonker wrote:
On November 27 2017 11:05 LegalLord wrote:
Bummer to hear that from a columnist I actually think is pretty good.


I don't think there's anything wrong with his statement. Its not a binary statement where if you don't support Trump, you support the Democratic Party. You can still support, say, Mike Pence or choose some other conservative politician.

At this point, you're dumber than a sack of bricks if you STILL support Trump. We're talking about a man who clearly understands little about the world, who barely does his job, is obsessed with the media instead of America, doesn't give a shit about the people he specifically campaigned for, is flipflopping around what he campaigned for and is busy trying enrich himself and his family through the most powerful office in the world.

If you look at all of this and still think "fake news", there's nothing to talk to you about because you're living in a different reality. He's an utter legislative failure whose only achievement is getting a SC appointed, despite having majorities in both the house and senate. Which wasn't even his success but rather McConnell pulling the strings. You can't even say that he's like Jimmy Carter either because Trump is objectively a terrible person.

It's a very dangerous thing to declare there is only one opinion left to have on the situation, and to ruin personal friendships over politics. I still think he's worthy of support on some issues and opposition on others. He has helpfully made great progress bringing attention to some of society's discarded topics (in ways where polite discourse just gets dismissed, you racist bigots). If you declare there is no reason to support him whatsoever and will politicize your interpersonal friendships, there's less reason to hope for a period of national healing and unity in the future. Talk to the other side and don't rely on the right or left's propaganda to color your judgments.

It's fine to preach healing and unity, but you're choosing the wrong person to blame. The blame lies with the person actively sowing the damage and the disunity. The blame lies with the person who launches a social media war against anyone and everyone who says things he disagrees with. The blame lies with the person who calls for brown people to be fired when they make a statement about racism, and conveniently ignores white people who do the same. The blame lies with the person who campaigned on a wall, to keep the rapists out of our country, that the rapists would pay for. The blame lies with the man who sides with a sex offender and pedophile, silencing women when it's convenient for him politically. The blame lies with the person who says he'll drain the swamp, then hires people who are even deeper in companies' pockets, threatening our free speech.

You're absolving the president of a lot of responsibility in what he has done when you think "the left" is to blame for everything. He's gotten where he is by sowing chaos and discord among Americans, inciting and encouraging hate crimes and marginalizing people who just want to be treated the same as you. He has a very loud mouth, and people like you listen to him. Consider that.


Non-exhaustive List of those responsible for national disunity:
Liberals
The Left
Colleges
The Media
The Democrats
The Swamp
The Cities
Ungrateful Minorities
Black NFL Players
The Intelligence Agencies
Anyone living near the coasts
Athiests
Muslims
Mexicans
#NeverTrump
Closet Trump supporters
Elected Republican Legislators who can't pass the President's bills


Exhaustive List of those who are upholding national unity and decency in this divisive times:
President Trump
Open, Proud, and Clapping Trump supporters
doomdonker
Profile Joined October 2017
90 Posts
November 27 2017 07:12 GMT
#186527
If Donald Trump was Nixon, then sure I’d get your point Danglers. Nixon, for all of his faults, seemed to actually care about the United States and its citizens.

But Trump? My standards aren’t so low to support him for “unity”. If we have to unite over a president who doesn’t give a shit about the USA and is more concerned about being sucked off by world leaders/media/his country clubs, it’s already a failed country.

We’re better off jettisoning Trump and uniting over something actually worth saving. Evidently Republicans who don’t have to worry about getting primaried think the same way so it’s not a uniquely “left wing” thought.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8099 Posts
November 27 2017 08:39 GMT
#186528
On November 27 2017 14:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2017 14:06 Danglars wrote:
On November 27 2017 11:59 doomdonker wrote:
On November 27 2017 11:05 LegalLord wrote:
Bummer to hear that from a columnist I actually think is pretty good.


I don't think there's anything wrong with his statement. Its not a binary statement where if you don't support Trump, you support the Democratic Party. You can still support, say, Mike Pence or choose some other conservative politician.

At this point, you're dumber than a sack of bricks if you STILL support Trump. We're talking about a man who clearly understands little about the world, who barely does his job, is obsessed with the media instead of America, doesn't give a shit about the people he specifically campaigned for, is flipflopping around what he campaigned for and is busy trying enrich himself and his family through the most powerful office in the world.

If you look at all of this and still think "fake news", there's nothing to talk to you about because you're living in a different reality. He's an utter legislative failure whose only achievement is getting a SC appointed, despite having majorities in both the house and senate. Which wasn't even his success but rather McConnell pulling the strings. You can't even say that he's like Jimmy Carter either because Trump is objectively a terrible person.

It's a very dangerous thing to declare there is only one opinion left to have on the situation, and to ruin personal friendships over politics. I still think he's worthy of support on some issues and opposition on others. He has helpfully made great progress bringing attention to some of society's discarded topics (in ways where polite discourse just gets dismissed, you racist bigots). If you declare there is no reason to support him whatsoever and will politicize your interpersonal friendships, there's less reason to hope for a period of national healing and unity in the future. Talk to the other side and don't rely on the right or left's propaganda to color your judgments.


I don't understand how people separate advocating policy that destroys someone's life and their "personal relationships" I think this is something that primarily exists where people have differences on political opinion but neither is really threatened by the potential outcomes.

If you're trying to get my brother deported after he worked his ass off in this country and paid taxes because of some ignorant and bigoted imperialist mindset, you are not my friend. Doesn't matter if you're otherwise polite and think it's just a difference of opinion.

Show nested quote +
On November 27 2017 14:34 Doodsmack wrote:
https://twitter.com/genmhayden/status/934640869562515457


Says the guy who helped lie for the Bush Administration to get us into Iraq...

I agree but i would go further than that. Your political views say a lot about who you are. It’s not only blue team / red team. I know that someone supporting Le Pen will never be my friend. Not an ennemy, i can have a polite relationship and even do stuff together, but not a friend. And if one of my existing friends started to support Le Pen, I would move on.

It’s not a visceral reaction, it’s not hatred or close mindness; just that I couldn’t ever trust someone who believes in her ideas.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
November 27 2017 09:24 GMT
#186529
On November 27 2017 17:39 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2017 14:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 27 2017 14:06 Danglars wrote:
On November 27 2017 11:59 doomdonker wrote:
On November 27 2017 11:05 LegalLord wrote:
Bummer to hear that from a columnist I actually think is pretty good.


I don't think there's anything wrong with his statement. Its not a binary statement where if you don't support Trump, you support the Democratic Party. You can still support, say, Mike Pence or choose some other conservative politician.

At this point, you're dumber than a sack of bricks if you STILL support Trump. We're talking about a man who clearly understands little about the world, who barely does his job, is obsessed with the media instead of America, doesn't give a shit about the people he specifically campaigned for, is flipflopping around what he campaigned for and is busy trying enrich himself and his family through the most powerful office in the world.

If you look at all of this and still think "fake news", there's nothing to talk to you about because you're living in a different reality. He's an utter legislative failure whose only achievement is getting a SC appointed, despite having majorities in both the house and senate. Which wasn't even his success but rather McConnell pulling the strings. You can't even say that he's like Jimmy Carter either because Trump is objectively a terrible person.

It's a very dangerous thing to declare there is only one opinion left to have on the situation, and to ruin personal friendships over politics. I still think he's worthy of support on some issues and opposition on others. He has helpfully made great progress bringing attention to some of society's discarded topics (in ways where polite discourse just gets dismissed, you racist bigots). If you declare there is no reason to support him whatsoever and will politicize your interpersonal friendships, there's less reason to hope for a period of national healing and unity in the future. Talk to the other side and don't rely on the right or left's propaganda to color your judgments.


I don't understand how people separate advocating policy that destroys someone's life and their "personal relationships" I think this is something that primarily exists where people have differences on political opinion but neither is really threatened by the potential outcomes.

If you're trying to get my brother deported after he worked his ass off in this country and paid taxes because of some ignorant and bigoted imperialist mindset, you are not my friend. Doesn't matter if you're otherwise polite and think it's just a difference of opinion.

On November 27 2017 14:34 Doodsmack wrote:
https://twitter.com/genmhayden/status/934640869562515457


Says the guy who helped lie for the Bush Administration to get us into Iraq...

I agree but i would go further than that. Your political views say a lot about who you are. It’s not only blue team / red team. I know that someone supporting Le Pen will never be my friend. Not an ennemy, i can have a polite relationship and even do stuff together, but not a friend. And if one of my existing friends started to support Le Pen, I would move on.

It’s not a visceral reaction, it’s not hatred or close mindness; just that I couldn’t ever trust someone who believes in her ideas.


This is exactly how I feel about people supporting the Sweden Democrats. I have no problem hanging out with people from either side of the left/right spectrum, my friends ranges from the environment activist lefties to the jetsetting stock trader. SD however operates on a different scale and represents ideals and opinions that I feel uncomfortable surrounding myself with. Sure, 'it's just politics', but so is Nazism.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16122 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-27 10:55:18
November 27 2017 10:48 GMT
#186530
Source



President Donald Trump on Monday promised a tax overhaul by Christmas, even as a nonpartisan tax analysis group said the Senate package would leave half of taxpayers facing higher levies by 2027.

Speaking before a Cabinet meeting, Trump said, "We're going to give the American people a huge tax cut for Christmas — hopefully that will be a great, big, beautiful Christmas present."

Trump spoke as the Tax Policy Center said that while all income groups would see tax reductions, on average, under the Senate bill in 2019, 9 percent of taxpayers would pay higher taxes that year than under current law. By 2027, that proportion would grow to 50 percent, largely because the legislation's personal tax cuts expire in 2026, which Republicans did to curb budget deficits the bill would create.

The policy center, a joint operation of the liberal-leaning Urban Institute and Brookings Institution, found that low-earners would generally get smaller tax breaks than higher-income people.

In 2019, those making less than $25,000 would get an average $50 tax reduction, or 0.3 percent of their after-tax income. Middle-income earners would get average cuts of $850, while people making at least $746,000 would get average cuts of $34,000, or 2.2 percent of income.

The center also said the Senate proposal would generate enough economic growth to produce additional revenue of $169 billion over a decade. That's far short of closing the near $1.5 trillion in red ink that Congress' nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation has estimated the bill would produce over that period.


The tax plan is a joke. If you are not ultra wealthy this plan doesn't help you at all. Remind me again why anyone supports Republicans?

"up to" 850 bucks of extra rebates a year for 9 years(because it would go into effect by 2018 at the earliest) only to pay higher overall taxes afterward.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16122 Posts
November 27 2017 10:49 GMT
#186531
On November 27 2017 15:23 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2017 15:10 NewSunshine wrote:
On November 27 2017 14:06 Danglars wrote:
On November 27 2017 11:59 doomdonker wrote:
On November 27 2017 11:05 LegalLord wrote:
Bummer to hear that from a columnist I actually think is pretty good.


I don't think there's anything wrong with his statement. Its not a binary statement where if you don't support Trump, you support the Democratic Party. You can still support, say, Mike Pence or choose some other conservative politician.

At this point, you're dumber than a sack of bricks if you STILL support Trump. We're talking about a man who clearly understands little about the world, who barely does his job, is obsessed with the media instead of America, doesn't give a shit about the people he specifically campaigned for, is flipflopping around what he campaigned for and is busy trying enrich himself and his family through the most powerful office in the world.

If you look at all of this and still think "fake news", there's nothing to talk to you about because you're living in a different reality. He's an utter legislative failure whose only achievement is getting a SC appointed, despite having majorities in both the house and senate. Which wasn't even his success but rather McConnell pulling the strings. You can't even say that he's like Jimmy Carter either because Trump is objectively a terrible person.

It's a very dangerous thing to declare there is only one opinion left to have on the situation, and to ruin personal friendships over politics. I still think he's worthy of support on some issues and opposition on others. He has helpfully made great progress bringing attention to some of society's discarded topics (in ways where polite discourse just gets dismissed, you racist bigots). If you declare there is no reason to support him whatsoever and will politicize your interpersonal friendships, there's less reason to hope for a period of national healing and unity in the future. Talk to the other side and don't rely on the right or left's propaganda to color your judgments.

It's fine to preach healing and unity, but you're choosing the wrong person to blame. The blame lies with the person actively sowing the damage and the disunity. The blame lies with the person who launches a social media war against anyone and everyone who says things he disagrees with. The blame lies with the person who calls for brown people to be fired when they make a statement about racism, and conveniently ignores white people who do the same. The blame lies with the person who campaigned on a wall, to keep the rapists out of our country, that the rapists would pay for. The blame lies with the man who sides with a sex offender and pedophile, silencing women when it's convenient for him politically. The blame lies with the person who says he'll drain the swamp, then hires people who are even deeper in companies' pockets, threatening our free speech.

You're absolving the president of a lot of responsibility in what he has done when you think "the left" is to blame for everything. He's gotten where he is by sowing chaos and discord among Americans, inciting and encouraging hate crimes and marginalizing people who just want to be treated the same as you. He has a very loud mouth, and people like you listen to him. Consider that.


Non-exhaustive List of those responsible for national disunity:
Liberals
The Left
Colleges
The Media
The Democrats
The Swamp
The Cities
Ungrateful Minorities
Black NFL Players
The Intelligence Agencies
Anyone living near the coasts
Athiests
Muslims
Mexicans
#NeverTrump
Closet Trump supporters
Elected Republican Legislators who can't pass the President's bills


Exhaustive List of those who are upholding national unity and decency in this divisive times:
President Trump
Open, Proud, and Clapping Trump supporters


LOL. You're saying that over half (well over half) of the country is to blame for national disunity instead of the outrageous minority who are openly racist and anti-minority are not?

Yea ok.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10904 Posts
November 27 2017 11:14 GMT
#186532
He was sarcastic.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 27 2017 11:19 GMT
#186533
On November 27 2017 19:49 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2017 15:23 Wulfey_LA wrote:
On November 27 2017 15:10 NewSunshine wrote:
On November 27 2017 14:06 Danglars wrote:
On November 27 2017 11:59 doomdonker wrote:
On November 27 2017 11:05 LegalLord wrote:
Bummer to hear that from a columnist I actually think is pretty good.


I don't think there's anything wrong with his statement. Its not a binary statement where if you don't support Trump, you support the Democratic Party. You can still support, say, Mike Pence or choose some other conservative politician.

At this point, you're dumber than a sack of bricks if you STILL support Trump. We're talking about a man who clearly understands little about the world, who barely does his job, is obsessed with the media instead of America, doesn't give a shit about the people he specifically campaigned for, is flipflopping around what he campaigned for and is busy trying enrich himself and his family through the most powerful office in the world.

If you look at all of this and still think "fake news", there's nothing to talk to you about because you're living in a different reality. He's an utter legislative failure whose only achievement is getting a SC appointed, despite having majorities in both the house and senate. Which wasn't even his success but rather McConnell pulling the strings. You can't even say that he's like Jimmy Carter either because Trump is objectively a terrible person.

It's a very dangerous thing to declare there is only one opinion left to have on the situation, and to ruin personal friendships over politics. I still think he's worthy of support on some issues and opposition on others. He has helpfully made great progress bringing attention to some of society's discarded topics (in ways where polite discourse just gets dismissed, you racist bigots). If you declare there is no reason to support him whatsoever and will politicize your interpersonal friendships, there's less reason to hope for a period of national healing and unity in the future. Talk to the other side and don't rely on the right or left's propaganda to color your judgments.

It's fine to preach healing and unity, but you're choosing the wrong person to blame. The blame lies with the person actively sowing the damage and the disunity. The blame lies with the person who launches a social media war against anyone and everyone who says things he disagrees with. The blame lies with the person who calls for brown people to be fired when they make a statement about racism, and conveniently ignores white people who do the same. The blame lies with the person who campaigned on a wall, to keep the rapists out of our country, that the rapists would pay for. The blame lies with the man who sides with a sex offender and pedophile, silencing women when it's convenient for him politically. The blame lies with the person who says he'll drain the swamp, then hires people who are even deeper in companies' pockets, threatening our free speech.

You're absolving the president of a lot of responsibility in what he has done when you think "the left" is to blame for everything. He's gotten where he is by sowing chaos and discord among Americans, inciting and encouraging hate crimes and marginalizing people who just want to be treated the same as you. He has a very loud mouth, and people like you listen to him. Consider that.


Non-exhaustive List of those responsible for national disunity:
Liberals
The Left
Colleges
The Media
The Democrats
The Swamp
The Cities
Ungrateful Minorities
Black NFL Players
The Intelligence Agencies
Anyone living near the coasts
Athiests
Muslims
Mexicans
#NeverTrump
Closet Trump supporters
Elected Republican Legislators who can't pass the President's bills


Exhaustive List of those who are upholding national unity and decency in this divisive times:
President Trump
Open, Proud, and Clapping Trump supporters


LOL. You're saying that over half (well over half) of the country is to blame for national disunity instead of the outrageous minority who are openly racist and anti-minority are not?

Yea ok.

I'm pretty sure that post was sarcasm.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 27 2017 11:30 GMT
#186534
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-27 11:54:05
November 27 2017 11:53 GMT
#186535


This is impressive legal shade. A high risk maneuver not suited for all pleadings.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16122 Posts
November 27 2017 12:10 GMT
#186536
On November 27 2017 20:14 Velr wrote:
He was sarcastic.


I cant even tell anymore most times, how sad is that?
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
November 27 2017 12:56 GMT
#186537
On November 27 2017 21:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2017 20:14 Velr wrote:
He was sarcastic.


I cant even tell anymore most times, how sad is that?

pretty sad, but such is the truth of the times. I don't recognize your name, you seem new to the thread; for us long-timers we generally know approximately where everyone stands so it's easier to spot.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
November 27 2017 13:33 GMT
#186538
To be fair, that list is a pretty accurate summary of Danglars view.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 27 2017 13:54 GMT
#186539
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
plated.rawr
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway1676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-27 14:24:03
November 27 2017 14:11 GMT
#186540
I kinda feel bad for all the people who've been using so many years working hard, maneuvering and making friends in the right places to get a shot at a White House job - only to have it be realized during the current presidency.

edit: holy moblie keyboard, batman.
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