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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18872 Posts
November 23 2017 14:17 GMT
#186181
This has been hashed out in this thread numerous times already, but a push towards electing third parties on the national stage without some kind of change to FPTP voting is a recipe for exactly the thing Velr describes.

Also, Happy Thanksgiving y'all
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24481 Posts
November 23 2017 14:21 GMT
#186182
On November 23 2017 23:17 farvacola wrote:
This has been hashed out in this thread numerous times already, but a push towards electing third parties on the national stage without some kind of change to FPTP voting is a recipe for exactly the thing Velr describes.

Also, Happy Thanksgiving y'all


Fuck Thanksgiving.

Also, bull. The parties are trash and both should be abandoned. Blaming FPTP and a two party system for sticking with these idiots is just a crappy excuse to enjoy the status quo.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
November 23 2017 14:21 GMT
#186183
How is that cynical? In the US system it is a system where votes are wasted. It's not something that opinion can change.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 23 2017 14:27 GMT
#186184
WASHINGTON — The heightened scrutiny of sexual impropriety on Capitol Hill has swept up a senior House Republican who apologized Wednesday for a sexually explicit photograph that wound up on the internet and raised the possibility that he had been the victim of a crime.

Representative Joe Barton of Texas, who was once the chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee and is now its vice chairman, said that he was reconsidering his political future after the photograph appeared on an anonymous Twitter account.

Mr. Barton, who has hired a crisis communications firm, made clear he was ready for a fight. In a statement Wednesday night, he said that he had suffered “a potential crime.” A Texas law, the so-called revenge pornography law, makes it a misdemeanor to intentionally publicize images or videos of someone’s genitals or sexual activity without consent.

Hours after his initial apology, The Washington Post reported that Mr. Barton, 68, had threatened in 2015 to report to the Capitol Police a woman with whom he had shared explicit photographs, videos and messages if she exposed him.

The woman, who spoke anonymously, shared with The Post a recorded phone conversation in which the congressman confronted her about communications she had with other women connected to Mr. Barton, including sexually explicit material he had shared with her.

Mr. Barton did not dispute the woman’s account. But in his statement, he said that she “threatened to publicly share my private photographs and intimate correspondence in retaliation” when he ended their relationship.

“Today, the Capitol Police reached out to me and offered to launch an investigation and I have accepted,” he said. “Because of the pending investigation, we will have no further comment.”

A spokeswoman for the Capitol Police did not immediately reply to a request for comment.

In his earlier statement, Mr. Barton had said that while separated from his wife, he had “sexual relationships with other mature adult women.”

“Each was consensual. Those relationships have ended,” he said. “I am sorry I did not use better judgment during those days. I am sorry that I let my constituents down.”

The photograph of a naked Mr. Barton, with his genitals obscured before it was posted, set off waves of speculation in Texas and Washington, where sexual harassment charges are roiling Capitol Hill. The tweets, which appeared Monday, included an image of a sexually explicit text message, ostensibly sent by Mr. Barton, along with a cryptic reference to harassment.

In addition to the recorded phone conversation, The Post reported that the woman had shared messages she exchanged with the congressman and a cellphone video of the congressman masturbating. The Post, which reviewed the video, said the photograph posted on Tuesday appeared to be a still shot from the video.

It was not clear why the photograph was posted. The woman who spoke with The Post said she had not put the image on Twitter herself. Lawmakers called and texted one another Tuesday night and Wednesday morning trying to discern whether the photograph was authentic, but received no guidance from the party’s leadership or Mr. Barton.

Direct messages sent to the Twitter account that posted the image have not been returned.

AshLee Strong, a spokeswoman for Speaker Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, said Wednesday afternoon that Mr. Ryan had spoken to Mr. Barton on the matter but would “keep those conversations between the two of them.”

Mr. Barton is the longest-serving member of the Texas congressional delegation and was the Energy and Commerce Committee chairman when President George W. Bush was in the White House.

He had lowered his sights more recently, telling associates that he hoped to claim the investigatory subcommittee of the Energy and Commerce panel. That subcommittee chairmanship is currently vacant because its most recent chairman, Representative Tim Murphy, Republican of Pennsylvania, resigned last month after it was revealed that he had encouraged his mistress to seek an abortion.

Unlike other veteran lawmakers who have retired after their time atop influential committees has come to an end, Mr. Barton had shown no interest in leaving Congress.

“I’m the odd duck who didn’t quit,” he joked to The Dallas Morning News in an interview this month.

His personal life has been more turbulent than his political career. He divorced his first wife in 1993 and his second wife two years ago.

Mr. Barton has young children from his second marriage, and one of them, his 10-year-old son, was at the congressional baseball practice this year when a man sprayed the field with bullets, gravely injuring Representative Steve Scalise. Mr. Barton is the longtime coach of the Republican baseball team.

Democrats were not planning to aggressively contest Mr. Barton’s conservative-leaning seat: His best-funded challenger, Jana Lynne Sanchez, had only $16,440 on hand as of the start of October.


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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
November 23 2017 14:28 GMT
#186185
Third parties are the flat earth position of American politics.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
November 23 2017 14:31 GMT
#186186
You're all just cynical bastards that are peddling the same exact shit that got US politics where its at in the first place.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-23 14:33:06
November 23 2017 14:32 GMT
#186187
As a wise man once said,

Don't hate the playa hate the game.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24481 Posts
November 23 2017 14:35 GMT
#186188
The key is to make one of the existing parties the third party. If people stopped just accepting shit tier people as long as they have a R or D next to their name it wouldn't be hard.

But people can't stop with the "I can't help but support shit tier people because that's all the two parties let me pick from".
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-23 14:42:00
November 23 2017 14:39 GMT
#186189
On November 23 2017 23:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
The key is to make one of the existing parties the third party. If people stopped just accepting shit tier people as long as they have a R or D next to their name it wouldn't be hard.

But people can't stop with the "I can't help but support shit tier people because that's all the two parties let me pick from".

"Nah man, that's just hijacking the Democratic party. That's not fair to the people who run the party! You can't let the party succumb to the demands of Sanders supporters! We'll lose the support of the moderates and won't be able to win elections! I'm not being a cynical bastard, I'm just being realistic!"

Lol.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
November 23 2017 14:40 GMT
#186190
On November 23 2017 23:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
The key is to make one of the existing parties the third party. If people stopped just accepting shit tier people as long as they have a R or D next to their name it wouldn't be hard.

But people can't stop with the "I can't help but support shit tier people because that's all the two parties let me pick from".

That means letting the other team win for a generation while the establishment sorts itself out around the new normal. Then you keep getting the same shit teir people because nothing really changed and the party is just weaker for no reason.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12614 Posts
November 23 2017 14:51 GMT
#186191
On November 23 2017 23:40 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2017 23:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
The key is to make one of the existing parties the third party. If people stopped just accepting shit tier people as long as they have a R or D next to their name it wouldn't be hard.

But people can't stop with the "I can't help but support shit tier people because that's all the two parties let me pick from".

That means letting the other team win for a generation while the establishment sorts itself out around the new normal. Then you keep getting the same shit teir people because nothing really changed and the party is just weaker for no reason.


You've had the experience of the Tea Party taking more power on the republican side, did it cause a generation of the other team winning? The republican party has been moving to the right ever since Reagan and it didn't create the consequences that you take for granted.

On top of not being true, "letting the other team win for a generation" also sounds quite hollow when you look at how many seats the democrats have lost using their strategy of not changing. It's not like they've been crushing and we suggest a change of strategy. They haven't been, at all.
No will to live, no wish to die
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22683 Posts
November 23 2017 14:52 GMT
#186192
On November 23 2017 23:31 a_flayer wrote:
You're all just cynical bastards that are peddling the same exact shit that got US politics where its at in the first place.

First past the post + winner takes all = 2 party system every time, all the time.

The standpoint of parties can evolve naturally or a big enough social upheaval can change who the 2 main parties are but the underlying system of voting is what causes a 2 party system.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24481 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-23 14:54:38
November 23 2017 14:53 GMT
#186193
On November 23 2017 23:40 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2017 23:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
The key is to make one of the existing parties the third party. If people stopped just accepting shit tier people as long as they have a R or D next to their name it wouldn't be hard.

But people can't stop with the "I can't help but support shit tier people because that's all the two parties let me pick from".

That means letting the other team win for a generation while the establishment sorts itself out around the new normal. Then you keep getting the same shit teir people because nothing really changed and the party is just weaker for no reason.


I'll pass on the establishment sorting itself out.

There could be a mutual interest and long term benefit to taking the opportunity to do the same on the opposing side instead of taking the minimal short term wins in exchange for several more generations of shit tier politicians.

That is if actually having a decent government is in anyone's interest anymore, or if they'd rather just have a shit government that says things they like while doing what their corporate donors tell them to (spoiler: It's fuck you over) than yeah, consign oneself to the hopelessness.

EDIT: Also what Neb said
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22683 Posts
November 23 2017 14:55 GMT
#186194
On November 23 2017 23:51 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2017 23:40 Sermokala wrote:
On November 23 2017 23:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
The key is to make one of the existing parties the third party. If people stopped just accepting shit tier people as long as they have a R or D next to their name it wouldn't be hard.

But people can't stop with the "I can't help but support shit tier people because that's all the two parties let me pick from".

That means letting the other team win for a generation while the establishment sorts itself out around the new normal. Then you keep getting the same shit teir people because nothing really changed and the party is just weaker for no reason.


You've had the experience of the Tea Party taking more power on the republican side, did it cause a generation of the other team winning? The republican party has been moving to the right ever since Reagan and it didn't create the consequences that you take for granted.

On top of not being true, "letting the other team win for a generation" also sounds quite hollow when you look at how many seats the democrats have lost using their strategy of not changing. It's not like they've been crushing and we suggest a change of strategy. They haven't been, at all.

Did the Tea Party win their elections as 3e party or as an opposing Republican candidate?
Because that's the difference. You can subvert a party and change its course (like Sanders tried, and failed to do with the Democrats) but beating one of the 2 parties as a 3e, independent, candidate is a very hard thing to do.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-23 14:58:51
November 23 2017 14:57 GMT
#186195
On November 23 2017 23:51 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2017 23:40 Sermokala wrote:
On November 23 2017 23:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
The key is to make one of the existing parties the third party. If people stopped just accepting shit tier people as long as they have a R or D next to their name it wouldn't be hard.

But people can't stop with the "I can't help but support shit tier people because that's all the two parties let me pick from".

That means letting the other team win for a generation while the establishment sorts itself out around the new normal. Then you keep getting the same shit teir people because nothing really changed and the party is just weaker for no reason.


You've had the experience of the Tea Party taking more power on the republican side, did it cause a generation of the other team winning? The republican party has been moving to the right ever since Reagan and it didn't create the consequences that you take for granted.

On top of not being true, "letting the other team win for a generation" also sounds quite hollow when you look at how many seats the democrats have lost using their strategy of not changing. It's not like they've been crushing and we suggest a change of strategy. They haven't been, at all.

Did you read the post I quoted? GH proposed everyone not voteing for a party until it decided to become a new party. That is nothing near a faction growing in popularity in a party for a time.

The democratic party hasn't lost that many seats either. They had a bad presidential cycle and are going to recover from it next year. These things are normal. Also if anything the dems have been going to the right ever sense Reagan.

the only way massive change like GH is saying the only way to save the nation is to let a party lose for a generation. Otherwise you're going to have to be okay with Nixons and Reagons.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18872 Posts
November 23 2017 14:57 GMT
#186196
While '18 will be a better proving ground, I'd argue that Sanders didn't really fail
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12614 Posts
November 23 2017 14:59 GMT
#186197
On November 23 2017 23:55 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2017 23:51 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 23 2017 23:40 Sermokala wrote:
On November 23 2017 23:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
The key is to make one of the existing parties the third party. If people stopped just accepting shit tier people as long as they have a R or D next to their name it wouldn't be hard.

But people can't stop with the "I can't help but support shit tier people because that's all the two parties let me pick from".

That means letting the other team win for a generation while the establishment sorts itself out around the new normal. Then you keep getting the same shit teir people because nothing really changed and the party is just weaker for no reason.


You've had the experience of the Tea Party taking more power on the republican side, did it cause a generation of the other team winning? The republican party has been moving to the right ever since Reagan and it didn't create the consequences that you take for granted.

On top of not being true, "letting the other team win for a generation" also sounds quite hollow when you look at how many seats the democrats have lost using their strategy of not changing. It's not like they've been crushing and we suggest a change of strategy. They haven't been, at all.

Did the Tea Party win their elections as 3e party or as an opposing Republican candidate?
Because that's the difference. You can subvert a party and change its course (like Sanders tried, and failed to do with the Democrats) but beating one of the 2 parties as a 3e, independent, candidate is a very hard thing to do.


If you look at the quote chain you'll see that this is what GH was saying and what Sermo was reacting negatively to: changing the course of the party.
No will to live, no wish to die
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-23 15:01:31
November 23 2017 15:00 GMT
#186198
On November 23 2017 23:55 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2017 23:51 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 23 2017 23:40 Sermokala wrote:
On November 23 2017 23:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
The key is to make one of the existing parties the third party. If people stopped just accepting shit tier people as long as they have a R or D next to their name it wouldn't be hard.

But people can't stop with the "I can't help but support shit tier people because that's all the two parties let me pick from".

That means letting the other team win for a generation while the establishment sorts itself out around the new normal. Then you keep getting the same shit teir people because nothing really changed and the party is just weaker for no reason.


You've had the experience of the Tea Party taking more power on the republican side, did it cause a generation of the other team winning? The republican party has been moving to the right ever since Reagan and it didn't create the consequences that you take for granted.

On top of not being true, "letting the other team win for a generation" also sounds quite hollow when you look at how many seats the democrats have lost using their strategy of not changing. It's not like they've been crushing and we suggest a change of strategy. They haven't been, at all.

Did the Tea Party win their elections as 3e party or as an opposing Republican candidate?
Because that's the difference. You can subvert a party and change its course (like Sanders tried, and failed to do with the Democrats) but beating one of the 2 parties as a 3e, independent, candidate is a very hard thing to do.

Nope.

On November 23 2017 23:59 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2017 23:55 Gorsameth wrote:
On November 23 2017 23:51 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 23 2017 23:40 Sermokala wrote:
On November 23 2017 23:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
The key is to make one of the existing parties the third party. If people stopped just accepting shit tier people as long as they have a R or D next to their name it wouldn't be hard.

But people can't stop with the "I can't help but support shit tier people because that's all the two parties let me pick from".

That means letting the other team win for a generation while the establishment sorts itself out around the new normal. Then you keep getting the same shit teir people because nothing really changed and the party is just weaker for no reason.


You've had the experience of the Tea Party taking more power on the republican side, did it cause a generation of the other team winning? The republican party has been moving to the right ever since Reagan and it didn't create the consequences that you take for granted.

On top of not being true, "letting the other team win for a generation" also sounds quite hollow when you look at how many seats the democrats have lost using their strategy of not changing. It's not like they've been crushing and we suggest a change of strategy. They haven't been, at all.

Did the Tea Party win their elections as 3e party or as an opposing Republican candidate?
Because that's the difference. You can subvert a party and change its course (like Sanders tried, and failed to do with the Democrats) but beating one of the 2 parties as a 3e, independent, candidate is a very hard thing to do.


If you look at the quote chain you'll see that this is what GH was saying and what Sermo was reacting negatively to: changing the course of the party.

No, he was talking about making one of the major parties a 3rd party, which require an additional party.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 23 2017 15:02 GMT
#186199
On November 23 2017 23:59 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2017 23:55 Gorsameth wrote:
On November 23 2017 23:51 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 23 2017 23:40 Sermokala wrote:
On November 23 2017 23:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
The key is to make one of the existing parties the third party. If people stopped just accepting shit tier people as long as they have a R or D next to their name it wouldn't be hard.

But people can't stop with the "I can't help but support shit tier people because that's all the two parties let me pick from".

That means letting the other team win for a generation while the establishment sorts itself out around the new normal. Then you keep getting the same shit teir people because nothing really changed and the party is just weaker for no reason.


You've had the experience of the Tea Party taking more power on the republican side, did it cause a generation of the other team winning? The republican party has been moving to the right ever since Reagan and it didn't create the consequences that you take for granted.

On top of not being true, "letting the other team win for a generation" also sounds quite hollow when you look at how many seats the democrats have lost using their strategy of not changing. It's not like they've been crushing and we suggest a change of strategy. They haven't been, at all.

Did the Tea Party win their elections as 3e party or as an opposing Republican candidate?
Because that's the difference. You can subvert a party and change its course (like Sanders tried, and failed to do with the Democrats) but beating one of the 2 parties as a 3e, independent, candidate is a very hard thing to do.


If you look at the quote chain you'll see that this is what GH was saying and what Sermo was reacting negatively to: changing the course of the party.

I looked at the quote chain and I found this:
On November 23 2017 23:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
The key is to make one of the existing parties the third party.

which appears to directly contradict you. Can you clarify?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 23 2017 15:04 GMT
#186200
On November 23 2017 23:31 a_flayer wrote:
You're all just cynical bastards that are peddling the same exact shit that got US politics where its at in the first place.

If third parties tried to build a real base and win senate or house seats, they would be less of a joke. But they go for the Oval Office every time and just end up getting burned. Playing potential spoiler in national elections has not helped them.
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