EPTOn October 31 2017 21:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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It's pretty funny to see him use 'proven to be a liar' as an argument
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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It's pretty funny to see him use 'proven to be a liar' as an argument | ||
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farvacola
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On October 31 2017 22:11 GreenHorizons wrote: Fair enough. I just don't like the painting of the North as moral heroes in the slavery equation. Particularly at the start of the war when it's clear that even mentioning of the idea that northern boys were going to get their heads blown off to free some slaves was taboo. True abolitionists were the only moral heroes as far as I'm concerned and they were few and far between both North and South. They also tended to be ostracized for their zealotry not unlike the way BLM gets lambasted nowadays. | ||
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Mohdoo
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{CC}StealthBlue
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xDaunt
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I hadn't seen the original reporting before, but it is very much in line with what's in Mueller's indictment of Manafort. In the report, Carlson summarizes what he learned from an interview with a Podesta Group employee who is cooperating with Mueller. Needless to say, the information is incredibly damning of Podesta and the Clintons, if true. The big takeaway comes at the end, where Carlson relays from the employee that Mueller's major focus isn't on Trump/Russia collusion, but on Russian influence peddling in Washington. In other words, Mueller is taking on the swamp. | ||
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Mohdoo
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KwarK
United States43764 Posts
On October 31 2017 22:49 Mohdoo wrote: If Republicans need Clinton to support Mueller, by all means. It's actually pretty relieving to see Mueller take out podesta. I've been worried Republicans will only tolerate so many convictions. Throwing in some members of the Republicans most wanted list helps keep the right on board. If you think they won't manage to simultaneously believe that Mueller is both a tool of the deep state establishment trying to stop Trump making America great again, and that he's going to uncover the real corruption and lock Clinton up, well, you've just not been paying attention. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15742 Posts
On October 31 2017 22:54 KwarK wrote: If you think they won't manage to simultaneously believe that Mueller is both a tool of the deep state establishment trying to stop Trump making America great again, and that he's going to uncover the real corruption and lock Clinton up, well, you've just not been paying attention. So long as Mueller is allowed to continue to do his work, I'm not concerned with how they justify it. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On October 31 2017 19:49 farvacola wrote: I like how Dangles refers to a random professor saying some questionable stuff as though she serves as some kind of emblem. Here's a tip; progressives don't need to agree with every gender theory professor's words in order to still consider "real men" conservatives a bunch of idiot crybabies who play nice with white supremacy and racism. I'd much rather argue with a woman who thinks masculinity sucks instead of march alongside literal neo-Nazis, but hey, different strokes. Bush 2 has a quote that kinda fits this - "Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples while judging ourselves by our best intentions". | ||
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Plansix
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BrownBear
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Democrats and Liberals don't defend their own if their own are doing something indefensible. I am not sure the same is true of the Republican party anymore. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 31 2017 23:16 BrownBear wrote: The thing I think a lot of the right doesn't understand: If Mueller uncovers Hillary is actually involved in this in some way, to the level where he would file charges against her a la Manafort, the left not only won't be upset, they'll actively applaud him for rooting out corruption and tell him to keep going. Democrats and Liberals don't defend their own if their own are doing something indefensible. I am not sure the same is true of the Republican party anymore. I'd say it's definitely not true of the republican party anymore, considering Trump. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 31 2017 22:49 Mohdoo wrote: If Republicans need Clinton to support Mueller, by all means. It's actually pretty relieving to see Mueller take out podesta. I've been worried Republicans will only tolerate so many convictions. Throwing in some members of the Republicans most wanted list helps keep the right on board. I think that the problem here is that most people are still viewing the Mueller investigation through the partisan narrative lens of "this is all about Trump." Presuming that this is no longer what the investigation is about (to the extent it ever was -- think about that one for a moment), it's not exactly fair to expect people who have been all wound up by the media (left and right) to simply stop on a dime and change their perspective all at once. Consider this: last week I noted that, in light of all of the new revelations that were coming out about Uranium One, Mueller investigating the Podestas, etc, that there was clearly a change happening in the media narrative -- that we were seeing information that did not comport with what everyone thought that the Mueller investigation was all about. Yesterday, we finally saw the first indictments, and they really had little-to-nothing to do with Trump/Russia collusion. To the contrary, the indictments and the information in them were very much germane to the information that was leaked to the media last week. I highly doubt that the timing of these stories was coincidental. I think we're being fed information to slowly change the narrative to comport with what Mueller is actually doing, because we're going to be shocked at how far he's going to go. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 31 2017 23:16 BrownBear wrote: The thing I think a lot of the right doesn't understand: If Mueller uncovers Hillary is actually involved in this in some way, to the level where he would file charges against her a la Manafort, the left not only won't be upset, they'll actively applaud him for rooting out corruption and tell him to keep going. Democrats and Liberals don't defend their own if their own are doing something indefensible. I am not sure the same is true of the Republican party anymore. I can think of a lot of people who would take exception to this statement -- including many liberals (I can't wait for GreenHorizons to weigh in). Just look at what the reaction has been from posters on this board any time Uranium One or the Clinton Campaign's purchase of the Steele dossier is discussed. But I get it -- politics is an inherently partisan issue. And don't worry democrats, I'm sure that Mueller is going to bag plenty of republicans by the time this is all said and done. | ||
Liquid`Drone
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KwarK
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On October 31 2017 23:25 xDaunt wrote: all of the new revelations that were coming out about Uranium One name them | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 31 2017 23:31 Liquid`Drone wrote: How do you not see George Papadopoulous as related to the Trump/Russia collusion? He could be a link to Trump, but I think that it is more likely that he's a link to Manafort given what's in his confession. | ||
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KwarK
United States43764 Posts
On October 31 2017 23:30 xDaunt wrote: I can think of a lot of people who would take exception to this statement -- including many liberals (I can't wait for GreenHorizons to weigh in). Just look at what the reaction has been from posters on this board any time Uranium One or the Clinton Campaign's purchase of the Steele dossier is discussed. But I get it -- politics is an inherently partisan issue. And don't worry democrats, I'm sure that Mueller is going to bag plenty of republicans by the time this is all said and done. The Uranium One conspiracy isn't partisan, it comes down to whether or not you believe in time travel. The theory requires time travel to be coherent. Belief in time travel isn't a partisan issue. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22169 Posts
On October 31 2017 23:25 xDaunt wrote: I think that the problem here is that most people are still viewing the Mueller investigation through the partisan narrative lens of "this is all about Trump." Presuming that this is no longer what the investigation is about (to the extent it ever was -- think about that one for a moment), it's not exactly fair to expect people who have been all wound up by the media (left and right) to simply stop on a dime and change their perspective all at once. Consider this: last week I noted that, in light of all of the new revelations that were coming out about Uranium One, Mueller investigating the Podestas, etc, that there was clearly a change happening in the media narrative -- that we were seeing information that did not comport with what everyone thought that the Mueller investigation was all about. Yesterday, we finally saw the first indictments, and they really had little-to-nothing to do with Trump/Russia collusion. To the contrary, the indictments and the information in them were very much germane to the information that was leaked to the media last week. I highly doubt that the timing of these stories was coincidental. I think we're being fed information to slowly change the narrative to comport with what Mueller is actually doing, because we're going to be shocked at how far he's going to go. What your seeing is the Republican PR machine going full steam to muddy the water now that its harder to deny Mueller will find anything. See drumming up new revelations that were coming out about Uranium One when there is 1) nothing new and 2) everything old has been debunked. "Look at this, or this, or this, or maybe this, anything that is not people who were around Trump being arrested". | ||
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Howie_Dewitt
United States1416 Posts
On October 31 2017 23:42 KwarK wrote: The Uranium One conspiracy isn't partisan, it comes down to whether or not you believe in time travel. The theory requires time travel to be coherent. Belief in time travel isn't a partisan issue. It definitely is. If you have to say that, then it is. | ||
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