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On October 31 2017 10:56 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 10:28 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:18 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:11 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:01 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 09:52 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 09:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
While I can't be surprised by, and I appreciate the answers, Any chance someone who seriously uses the term answers the question? I use RINO to label all of the republicans who promised and then failed to deliver big conservative policy objectives. If Rand Paul is who you view as the closest to exemplifying conservative values/policy on the national political scene, and "RINO" references Republicans that don't vote/legislate conservative policy, is it fair to say you are saying Rand Paul is an example of the Republican that others are imitating in name only? I think you're conflating a couple different concepts. I singled Rand Paul out as a particularly principled conservative (and just to be clear, I singled him out as such because he is principled, not necessarily because I agree with his version of conservatism on all points). RINOs are people who espouse conservative principles while on the campaign trail and then do "other stuff" while in Washington. I think there has to be an element of hypocrisy. Can you point to examples (other than Rand Paul) of not-RINO's? I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research. I have a sincere curiosity, so don't let me discourage you from doing that, but can you see why people think it's an amorphous and somewhat insincere attack. Or perhaps, at minimum, a misnomer? Where would you object to its application? When accusing Republicans of not being Republicans pretty much.
Like who specifically? Flake? Bush?
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On October 31 2017 11:01 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 10:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:28 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:18 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:11 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:01 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 09:52 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 09:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
While I can't be surprised by, and I appreciate the answers, Any chance someone who seriously uses the term answers the question? I use RINO to label all of the republicans who promised and then failed to deliver big conservative policy objectives. If Rand Paul is who you view as the closest to exemplifying conservative values/policy on the national political scene, and "RINO" references Republicans that don't vote/legislate conservative policy, is it fair to say you are saying Rand Paul is an example of the Republican that others are imitating in name only? I think you're conflating a couple different concepts. I singled Rand Paul out as a particularly principled conservative (and just to be clear, I singled him out as such because he is principled, not necessarily because I agree with his version of conservatism on all points). RINOs are people who espouse conservative principles while on the campaign trail and then do "other stuff" while in Washington. I think there has to be an element of hypocrisy. Can you point to examples (other than Rand Paul) of not-RINO's? I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research. I have a sincere curiosity, so don't let me discourage you from doing that, but can you see why people think it's an amorphous and somewhat insincere attack. Or perhaps, at minimum, a misnomer? Where would you object to its application? When accusing Republicans of not being Republicans pretty much. Like who specifically? Flake? Bush?
Yes.
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Norway28923 Posts
On October 31 2017 10:55 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 10:53 Liquid`Drone wrote:On October 31 2017 10:18 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:11 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:01 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 09:52 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 09:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
While I can't be surprised by, and I appreciate the answers, Any chance someone who seriously uses the term answers the question? I use RINO to label all of the republicans who promised and then failed to deliver big conservative policy objectives. If Rand Paul is who you view as the closest to exemplifying conservative values/policy on the national political scene, and "RINO" references Republicans that don't vote/legislate conservative policy, is it fair to say you are saying Rand Paul is an example of the Republican that others are imitating in name only? I think you're conflating a couple different concepts. I singled Rand Paul out as a particularly principled conservative (and just to be clear, I singled him out as such because he is principled, not necessarily because I agree with his version of conservatism on all points). RINOs are people who espouse conservative principles while on the campaign trail and then do "other stuff" while in Washington. I think there has to be an element of hypocrisy. Can you point to examples (other than Rand Paul) of not-RINO's? I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research. Don't you agree that 'republican in name only' is a bit of a misnomer if there basically are no republicans that aren't republicans in name only? I mean I know you said 'not saying that they aren't out there', but it seems like you consider a vast majority of republicans republicans in name only. Isn't it more appropriate to adjust your opinion of what being 'a republican' constitutes? Like I told GH a few posts ago, you are conflating two distinct concepts. That a republican is not a “very principled conservative” does not mean that he is a RINO.
But like, I feel that the RINO brand is way more applicable to say, Trump, than to say, McCain. McCain to me represents values that correspond to what the republican party has traditionally represented, at least post-nixon. (Not too versed on how republicans were pre-goldwater tbh).
It's fine if you don't think that McCain et al are champions of conservative values. I just think 'republican in name only' is a stupid term for 'guy who consistently stands for everything republicans have been standing for for the past 30 years'. The tea party crowd first, and the trump crowd second, those guys are the deflectors. I mean sure, on taxes and 'the government' there's significant overlap, but I don't see a home for Reagan in the current republican party.
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If the term were "Conservative in Name Only" it would probably fit its usage much better. But as it stands, I don't see how these purported "RINOs" aren't just doing what the Republicans have always done.
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Norway28923 Posts
yeah CINO I'd be totally fine with actually. But essentially stating that 'there are virtually no republicans in the republican party' doesn't make sense to me. Although then by my logic I should be totally on board with McCain as a RINO because he, sadly, is a total outlier these days.
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On October 31 2017 11:03 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 11:01 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:28 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:18 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:11 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:01 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 09:52 xDaunt wrote:
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I use RINO to label all of the republicans who promised and then failed to deliver big conservative policy objectives. If Rand Paul is who you view as the closest to exemplifying conservative values/policy on the national political scene, and "RINO" references Republicans that don't vote/legislate conservative policy, is it fair to say you are saying Rand Paul is an example of the Republican that others are imitating in name only? I think you're conflating a couple different concepts. I singled Rand Paul out as a particularly principled conservative (and just to be clear, I singled him out as such because he is principled, not necessarily because I agree with his version of conservatism on all points). RINOs are people who espouse conservative principles while on the campaign trail and then do "other stuff" while in Washington. I think there has to be an element of hypocrisy. Can you point to examples (other than Rand Paul) of not-RINO's? I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research. I have a sincere curiosity, so don't let me discourage you from doing that, but can you see why people think it's an amorphous and somewhat insincere attack. Or perhaps, at minimum, a misnomer? Where would you object to its application? When accusing Republicans of not being Republicans pretty much. Like who specifically? Flake? Bush? Yes.
Sermokala covered Bush well above, so no need to cover him beyond emphasizing the amount of damage that he did to the republican party.
As for Flake, he is guilty of too many heresies on big conservative issues, most notably immigration and Obamacare. Additionally, he has been very vocal against Trump. Now no one is going to mistake Trump for being a conservative, but conservatives should be using Trump as a useful tool to push their agenda.
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On October 31 2017 11:50 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 11:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 11:01 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:28 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:18 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:11 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
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If Rand Paul is who you view as the closest to exemplifying conservative values/policy on the national political scene, and "RINO" references Republicans that don't vote/legislate conservative policy, is it fair to say you are saying Rand Paul is an example of the Republican that others are imitating in name only? I think you're conflating a couple different concepts. I singled Rand Paul out as a particularly principled conservative (and just to be clear, I singled him out as such because he is principled, not necessarily because I agree with his version of conservatism on all points). RINOs are people who espouse conservative principles while on the campaign trail and then do "other stuff" while in Washington. I think there has to be an element of hypocrisy. Can you point to examples (other than Rand Paul) of not-RINO's? I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research. I have a sincere curiosity, so don't let me discourage you from doing that, but can you see why people think it's an amorphous and somewhat insincere attack. Or perhaps, at minimum, a misnomer? Where would you object to its application? When accusing Republicans of not being Republicans pretty much. Like who specifically? Flake? Bush? Yes. Sermokala covered Bush well above, so no need to cover him beyond emphasizing the amount of damage that he did to the republican party. As for Flake, he is guilty of too many heresies on big conservative issues, most notably immigration and Obamacare. Additionally, he has been very vocal against Trump. Now no one is going to mistake Trump for being a conservative, but conservatives should be using Trump as a useful tool to push their agenda.
Then replace Flake with McCain and you also have an accurate portrayal of another quintessential RINO.
Amnesia is their ally. Years pass and people forget that they ran on conservative positions and behaved differently in office. Then clueless or disinterested commentators tune in and wonder why they get such backlash. They could've run on these things and had zero issues in office ... but maybe they thought campaigning on their true beliefs (or lack thereof) wasn't enough to win election.
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On October 31 2017 11:57 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 11:50 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 11:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 11:01 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:28 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:18 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:11 xDaunt wrote:
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I think you're conflating a couple different concepts. I singled Rand Paul out as a particularly principled conservative (and just to be clear, I singled him out as such because he is principled, not necessarily because I agree with his version of conservatism on all points). RINOs are people who espouse conservative principles while on the campaign trail and then do "other stuff" while in Washington. I think there has to be an element of hypocrisy. Can you point to examples (other than Rand Paul) of not-RINO's? I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research. I have a sincere curiosity, so don't let me discourage you from doing that, but can you see why people think it's an amorphous and somewhat insincere attack. Or perhaps, at minimum, a misnomer? Where would you object to its application? When accusing Republicans of not being Republicans pretty much. Like who specifically? Flake? Bush? Yes. Sermokala covered Bush well above, so no need to cover him beyond emphasizing the amount of damage that he did to the republican party. As for Flake, he is guilty of too many heresies on big conservative issues, most notably immigration and Obamacare. Additionally, he has been very vocal against Trump. Now no one is going to mistake Trump for being a conservative, but conservatives should be using Trump as a useful tool to push their agenda. Then replace Flake with McCain and you also have an accurate portrayal of another quintessential RINO. Amnesia is their ally. Years pass and people forget that they ran on conservative positions and behaved differently in office. Then clueless or disinterested commentators tune in and wonder why they get such backlash. They could've run on these things and had zero issues in office ... but maybe they thought campaigning on their true beliefs (or lack thereof) wasn't enough to win election.
Except Flake and McCain have been in congress for more than a decade. Why do you vote RINOs who don't have your interest into office again and again exactly?
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Norway28923 Posts
On October 31 2017 11:50 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 11:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 11:01 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:28 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:18 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:11 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
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If Rand Paul is who you view as the closest to exemplifying conservative values/policy on the national political scene, and "RINO" references Republicans that don't vote/legislate conservative policy, is it fair to say you are saying Rand Paul is an example of the Republican that others are imitating in name only? I think you're conflating a couple different concepts. I singled Rand Paul out as a particularly principled conservative (and just to be clear, I singled him out as such because he is principled, not necessarily because I agree with his version of conservatism on all points). RINOs are people who espouse conservative principles while on the campaign trail and then do "other stuff" while in Washington. I think there has to be an element of hypocrisy. Can you point to examples (other than Rand Paul) of not-RINO's? I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research. I have a sincere curiosity, so don't let me discourage you from doing that, but can you see why people think it's an amorphous and somewhat insincere attack. Or perhaps, at minimum, a misnomer? Where would you object to its application? When accusing Republicans of not being Republicans pretty much. Like who specifically? Flake? Bush? Yes. Now no one is going to mistake Trump for being a conservative, but conservatives should be using Trump as a useful tool to push their agenda.
I can't help but feel that this is a profoundly ironic statement. So far, everything points towards Trump having been significantly more successful in using conservatives as useful tools to push his agenda (become president) than conservatives have been in using Trump to push theirs.
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On October 31 2017 12:01 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 11:57 Danglars wrote:On October 31 2017 11:50 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 11:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 11:01 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:28 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:18 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:14 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Can you point to examples (other than Rand Paul) of not-RINO's? I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research. I have a sincere curiosity, so don't let me discourage you from doing that, but can you see why people think it's an amorphous and somewhat insincere attack. Or perhaps, at minimum, a misnomer? Where would you object to its application? When accusing Republicans of not being Republicans pretty much. Like who specifically? Flake? Bush? Yes. Sermokala covered Bush well above, so no need to cover him beyond emphasizing the amount of damage that he did to the republican party. As for Flake, he is guilty of too many heresies on big conservative issues, most notably immigration and Obamacare. Additionally, he has been very vocal against Trump. Now no one is going to mistake Trump for being a conservative, but conservatives should be using Trump as a useful tool to push their agenda. Then replace Flake with McCain and you also have an accurate portrayal of another quintessential RINO. Amnesia is their ally. Years pass and people forget that they ran on conservative positions and behaved differently in office. Then clueless or disinterested commentators tune in and wonder why they get such backlash. They could've run on these things and had zero issues in office ... but maybe they thought campaigning on their true beliefs (or lack thereof) wasn't enough to win election. Except Flake and McCain have been in congress for more than a decade. Why do you vote RINOs who don't have your interest into office again and again exactly?
Uninformed constituents go for name recognition and the promises sound great. Who believes a Vietnam war veteran will abandon any thought of fulfilling them once he has your vote? It's almost as pathetic as Hillary voters.
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On October 31 2017 12:27 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 11:50 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 11:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 11:01 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:28 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:18 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:11 xDaunt wrote:
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I think you're conflating a couple different concepts. I singled Rand Paul out as a particularly principled conservative (and just to be clear, I singled him out as such because he is principled, not necessarily because I agree with his version of conservatism on all points). RINOs are people who espouse conservative principles while on the campaign trail and then do "other stuff" while in Washington. I think there has to be an element of hypocrisy. Can you point to examples (other than Rand Paul) of not-RINO's? I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research. I have a sincere curiosity, so don't let me discourage you from doing that, but can you see why people think it's an amorphous and somewhat insincere attack. Or perhaps, at minimum, a misnomer? Where would you object to its application? When accusing Republicans of not being Republicans pretty much. Like who specifically? Flake? Bush? Yes. Now no one is going to mistake Trump for being a conservative, but conservatives should be using Trump as a useful tool to push their agenda. I can't help but feel that this is a profoundly ironic statement. So far, everything points towards Trump having been significantly more successful in using conservatives as useful tools to push his agenda (become president) than conservatives have been in using Trump to push theirs.
And here you are touching upon the essence of what I meant when I said that conservatism failed.
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On October 31 2017 11:50 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 11:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 11:01 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:28 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:18 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:11 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
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If Rand Paul is who you view as the closest to exemplifying conservative values/policy on the national political scene, and "RINO" references Republicans that don't vote/legislate conservative policy, is it fair to say you are saying Rand Paul is an example of the Republican that others are imitating in name only? I think you're conflating a couple different concepts. I singled Rand Paul out as a particularly principled conservative (and just to be clear, I singled him out as such because he is principled, not necessarily because I agree with his version of conservatism on all points). RINOs are people who espouse conservative principles while on the campaign trail and then do "other stuff" while in Washington. I think there has to be an element of hypocrisy. Can you point to examples (other than Rand Paul) of not-RINO's? I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research. I have a sincere curiosity, so don't let me discourage you from doing that, but can you see why people think it's an amorphous and somewhat insincere attack. Or perhaps, at minimum, a misnomer? Where would you object to its application? When accusing Republicans of not being Republicans pretty much. Like who specifically? Flake? Bush? Yes. Sermokala covered Bush well above, so no need to cover him beyond emphasizing the amount of damage that he did to the republican party. As for Flake, he is guilty of too many heresies on big conservative issues, most notably immigration and Obamacare. Additionally, he has been very vocal against Trump. Now no one is going to mistake Trump for being a conservative, but conservatives should be using Trump as a useful tool to push their agenda.
I'm compelled to still wonder who isn't?
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On October 31 2017 13:05 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 11:50 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 11:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 11:01 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:28 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:18 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:11 xDaunt wrote:
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I think you're conflating a couple different concepts. I singled Rand Paul out as a particularly principled conservative (and just to be clear, I singled him out as such because he is principled, not necessarily because I agree with his version of conservatism on all points). RINOs are people who espouse conservative principles while on the campaign trail and then do "other stuff" while in Washington. I think there has to be an element of hypocrisy. Can you point to examples (other than Rand Paul) of not-RINO's? I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research. I have a sincere curiosity, so don't let me discourage you from doing that, but can you see why people think it's an amorphous and somewhat insincere attack. Or perhaps, at minimum, a misnomer? Where would you object to its application? When accusing Republicans of not being Republicans pretty much. Like who specifically? Flake? Bush? Yes. Sermokala covered Bush well above, so no need to cover him beyond emphasizing the amount of damage that he did to the republican party. As for Flake, he is guilty of too many heresies on big conservative issues, most notably immigration and Obamacare. Additionally, he has been very vocal against Trump. Now no one is going to mistake Trump for being a conservative, but conservatives should be using Trump as a useful tool to push their agenda. I'm compelled to still wonder who isn't?
While I certainly don't expect strict orthodoxy, people like Flake and McCain are clear standouts in extent to which they deviate. I think you're framing this the wrong way. It's better to name the RINOs than it is to name the people who aren't.
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Isn't the only area they really differentiated themselves at all from a normal republican the whole gang of 8 thing on immigration?
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On October 31 2017 13:18 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 13:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 11:50 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 11:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 11:01 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:28 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:18 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:14 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Can you point to examples (other than Rand Paul) of not-RINO's? I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research. I have a sincere curiosity, so don't let me discourage you from doing that, but can you see why people think it's an amorphous and somewhat insincere attack. Or perhaps, at minimum, a misnomer? Where would you object to its application? When accusing Republicans of not being Republicans pretty much. Like who specifically? Flake? Bush? Yes. Sermokala covered Bush well above, so no need to cover him beyond emphasizing the amount of damage that he did to the republican party. As for Flake, he is guilty of too many heresies on big conservative issues, most notably immigration and Obamacare. Additionally, he has been very vocal against Trump. Now no one is going to mistake Trump for being a conservative, but conservatives should be using Trump as a useful tool to push their agenda. I'm compelled to still wonder who isn't? While I certainly don't expect strict orthodoxy, people like Flake and McCain are clear standouts in extent to which they deviate. I think you're framing this the wrong way. It's better to name the RINOs than it is to name the people who aren't.
Better in what ways? Particularly in an attempt to identify those who wouldn't qualify as RINOs?
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On October 31 2017 13:31 Nevuk wrote:
Isn't the only area they really differentiated themselves at all from a normal republican the whole gang of 8 thing on immigration?
They were elected into office and couldn't deliver on the unreasonable expectations of conservative voters. The main way to become less than true conservative is to get elected.
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On October 31 2017 13:52 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 13:31 Nevuk wrote:
Isn't the only area they really differentiated themselves at all from a normal republican the whole gang of 8 thing on immigration? They were elected into office and couldn't deliver on the unreasonable expectations of conservative voters. The main way to become less than true conservative is to get elected.
in all fairness to the republican voter, these 'RINOs' were the one's making the promises they couldn't keep.
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Surely it's established by now that RINO just means "person in my party who I disagree with", just like "true republican" means a person who agrees with the speaker on the matter at hand.
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On October 31 2017 14:47 Belisarius wrote:
Surely it's established by now that RINO just means "person in my party who I disagree with", just like "true republican" means a person who agrees with the speaker on the matter at hand.
Oh, probably. But half the pages in this thread are trying to get xDaunt to actually define things.
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On October 31 2017 14:47 Belisarius wrote:
Surely it's established by now that RINO just means "person in my party who I disagree with", just like "true republican" means a person who agrees with the speaker on the matter at hand.
I still think my Kulturkampf delineation is entirely accurate. The various conservative scores are coughed up and adjusted to fit the kulturkampf on a post hoc basis. As soon as a Republican won't go along with hate radio and fight the cultural wars, they are a RINO. This ain't about American Enterprise Institute scored tax policy. It is about NFL players kneeling.
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