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On October 31 2017 16:17 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 14:47 Belisarius wrote:
Surely it's established by now that RINO just means "person in my party who I disagree with", just like "true republican" means a person who agrees with the speaker on the matter at hand. I still think my Kulturkampf delineation is entirely accurate. The various conservative scores are coughed up and adjusted to fit the kulturkampf on a post hoc basis. As soon as a Republican won't go along with hate radio and fight the cultural wars, they are a RINO. This ain't about American Enterprise Institute scored tax policy. It is about NFL players kneeling.
Props for finding a half-decent twitter thread on th cultural angle. You have a pretty dumb take on it, and rofl on “hate radio,” but it’s refreshing to see an accurate conservative piece of writing taken as a starting point.
The problem with guys like Flake, Corker, and McCain is they also did a piss-poor job on the other Republican priories they pretended to support in their campaigns, like tax policy and growth of government.
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Is there a reason why we are currently writing "culture war" in german? I get it that it sometimes makes sense if there is no native word to describe the concept exactly, but culture war works very well, and "Kulturkampf" is not exactly a common german word either (In fact, i don't think i have ever heard it being used outside of this thread before)
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Maybe just an alternate preference. Maybe intended to be somewhat derogatory.
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Boehner’s having some fun in his retirement.
Deserved because Trump is just that bad?
For farva and Mr Kulturkampf.
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United States24809 Posts
Danglers, if the ongoing investigation reveals that Trump in fact committed treason, and other very serious crimes, and he is impeached, found fully guilty and all that, do you still expect conservatives to generally hold the viewpoint that a vote for Hillary in 2016 was dumb compared to a vote for Trump, or will that reverse?
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I like how Dangles refers to a random professor saying some questionable stuff as though she serves as some kind of emblem. Here's a tip; progressives don't need to agree with every gender theory professor's words in order to still consider "real men" conservatives a bunch of idiot crybabies who play nice with white supremacy and racism. I'd much rather argue with a woman who thinks masculinity sucks instead of march alongside literal neo-Nazis, but hey, different strokes.
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On October 31 2017 17:49 Simberto wrote:
Is there a reason why we are currently writing "culture war" in german? I get it that it sometimes makes sense if there is no native word to describe the concept exactly, but culture war works very well, and "Kulturkampf" is not exactly a common german word either (In fact, i don't think i have ever heard it being used outside of this thread before)
Without knowing anything beyond its use in this thread I would assume its a term the left want to use to draw parallels with Nazi Germany to paint the right in a bad light.
On October 31 2017 10:18 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 10:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 10:11 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 10:01 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 31 2017 09:52 xDaunt wrote:On October 31 2017 09:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
While I can't be surprised by, and I appreciate the answers, Any chance someone who seriously uses the term answers the question? I use RINO to label all of the republicans who promised and then failed to deliver big conservative policy objectives. If Rand Paul is who you view as the closest to exemplifying conservative values/policy on the national political scene, and "RINO" references Republicans that don't vote/legislate conservative policy, is it fair to say you are saying Rand Paul is an example of the Republican that others are imitating in name only? I think you're conflating a couple different concepts. I singled Rand Paul out as a particularly principled conservative (and just to be clear, I singled him out as such because he is principled, not necessarily because I agree with his version of conservatism on all points). RINOs are people who espouse conservative principles while on the campaign trail and then do "other stuff" while in Washington. I think there has to be an element of hypocrisy. Can you point to examples (other than Rand Paul) of not-RINO's? I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research.
Doesn't it make more sense to call yourself a RINO?
You don't identify with (almost) all the Republicans, the party has changed at some point to represent values you do not hold to. Yet you keep voting for them because you would rather call everyone in the party a fake rather then realize the party is no longer for you.
Its almost like a form of Stockholm-syndrome.
How many times do these Republicans need to fuck you over before your vote goes elsewhere?
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Yes, let's compromise on whether it's okay to own another human being.
Well I guess we did have the three-fifths compromise. Nevermind.
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Looks like it's time folks abandoned the notion that Kelly figured as some kind of voice of reason in the WH, he's clearly drinking deeply of what's being served in the West Wing.
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The party of Lincoln, folks. The party of Lincoln.
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This is looking like another one of those 'I don't know who david duke is'. 'I have the best memory' doesn't add up with 'I don't know who that is' and video footage of him speaking warmly of George Papadopoulous.
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The Lee part is typical trash but he's not wrong about the Civil War. Southerners could have kept slavery (for the foreseeable future) had they been more willing to compromise on (very minimal) restrictions to it going forward.
The idea that the Civil War was started on some premise close to "either you get rid of slavery or we go to war" is a myth.
But, based on the Lee part I suspect he has a different interpretation on which side's obstinance led to war.
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Just so everyone is clear, the Civil War did not come about as a result of a lack of compromise; actually, the exact reverse is the case. In fact, the Founding Fathers were too cowardly and involved in slavery themselves to do anything but compromise with racists as they relegated the personhood of millions to the status of property through letting the slavery question go unanswered until the mid-1800s.
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On October 31 2017 21:31 farvacola wrote:
Just so everyone is clear, the Civil War did not come about as a result of a lack of compromise; actually, the exact reverse is the case. In fact, the Founding Fathers were too cowardly and involved in slavery themselves to do anything but compromise with racists as they relegated the personhood of millions to the status of property through letting the slavery question go unanswered until the mid-1800s.
Seems like were saying the same thing while having opposite opinions on the use of the word compromise. Am I reading that right?
Basically that the South could have kept slavery if they didn't throw a tantrum about the incredibly tepid (to be kind) restrictions the North was imposing (for economic, not moral reasons primarily) on slavery?
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I'm not a fan of historical "would have's" but I don't think any kind of kicking the slavery question can down the road would have worked out for very long given that the majority of states added to the union post 1860 existed in the geographical north. Personally, I think the free/slave state power divide figured as the largest cause of the war, morality of slavery notwithstanding, and would have brought about widespread conflict eventually one way or another as the US added states. The North was certainly concerned with power far more than actual opposition to slavery, for sure.
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On October 31 2017 17:49 Simberto wrote:
Is there a reason why we are currently writing "culture war" in german? I get it that it sometimes makes sense if there is no native word to describe the concept exactly, but culture war works very well, and "Kulturkampf" is not exactly a common german word either (In fact, i don't think i have ever heard it being used outside of this thread before)
Kulturkampf is a word Kingdom of Prussia and later Germany used to describe its attempts to eradicate polish culture. And also this: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulturkampf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulturkampf#Anti-Polish_aspect_of_Kulturkampf
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On October 31 2017 21:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:
This is looking like another one of those 'I don't know who david duke is'. 'I have the best memory' doesn't add up with 'I don't know who that is' and video footage of him speaking warmly of George Papadopoulous.
It's especially egregious because George's plea deal quotes one of Trump's own interviews saying he's a part of the campaign's FP group...luckily truth doesn't matter to Trump's base!
(this is the kind of scenario where straight up lies with contradictory recorded and video evidence are easily believed, btw)
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On October 31 2017 21:57 farvacola wrote:
I'm not a fan of historical "would have's" but I don't think any kind of kicking the slavery question can down the road would have worked out for very long given that the majority of states added to the union post 1860 existed in the geographical north. Personally, I think the free/slave state power divide figured as the largest cause of the war, morality of slavery notwithstanding, and would have brought about widespread conflict eventually one way or another as the US added states. The North was certainly concerned with power far more than actual opposition to slavery, for sure.
Fair enough. I just don't like the painting of the North as moral heroes in the slavery equation. Particularly at the start of the war when it's clear that even mentioning of the idea that northern boys were going to get their heads blown off to free some slaves was taboo.
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