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On September 27 2017 09:05 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 08:46 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On September 27 2017 08:33 Falling wrote:Huh. That actually makes a lot of sense. I was discussing this in real life and we were all wondering why it was such a big deal as kneeling really didn't seem the most disrespectful thing in the world... like maybe it related to a QB surrendering first before getting tackled? But in most contexts, kneeling is actually quite respectful. Seems like a fair way to protest in my opinion. It is. Same with sit ins. It's so peaceful that something more has to be made to make it divisive. With it being before the game even starts and during the anthem, you are forced to see something you would rather not. Now you have to dwell on it. People who are content with the status quo do not want that extra thinking on their minds. They just wanna watch sports. So in order for that to stop, it moves from the actual reason the protests began, to an imaginary one where people can get all up in arms about. Can anyone explain why the anthem is played before every game in the first place? With both sides representing the same country, it makes no sense for me as anything but nationalistic, military propaganda. As I have heard, there is a lot of brainwashing kids to believing the US is the greatest country in the world, and overusing the flag and National anthem is a big part of that. I am very happy this backfires! If anyone took a knee or sat down in an INTERNATIONAL event, though, that would send a message, and cause a reaction no matter the country.
You already answered your own question.
nationalistic, military propaganda
And if you want to read more on this 'kid brainwashing' check up on the pledge of allegiance.
The US is a deeply nationalistic country in ways that are completely alien to Europeans.
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On September 27 2017 09:13 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 08:33 Falling wrote:Huh. That actually makes a lot of sense. I was discussing this in real life and we were all wondering why it was such a big deal as kneeling really didn't seem the most disrespectful thing in the world... like maybe it related to a QB surrendering first before getting tackled? But in most contexts, kneeling is actually quite respectful. Seems like a fair way to protest in my opinion. He paired it with explicitly divisive statements on the flag. Show nested quote +“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder. Then he had his police=pigs socks and Che Guevara shirt. I don't care what this new round of players thinks, because Trump has certainly thrown his hat into the ring. It started with an overtly political stance and it was all about what the flag symbolized.
Why should a man respect a country that does not respect him as a person in the same manner as any other because of the color of his skin?
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On September 27 2017 09:05 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 08:46 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On September 27 2017 08:33 Falling wrote:Huh. That actually makes a lot of sense. I was discussing this in real life and we were all wondering why it was such a big deal as kneeling really didn't seem the most disrespectful thing in the world... like maybe it related to a QB surrendering first before getting tackled? But in most contexts, kneeling is actually quite respectful. Seems like a fair way to protest in my opinion. It is. Same with sit ins. It's so peaceful that something more has to be made to make it divisive. With it being before the game even starts and during the anthem, you are forced to see something you would rather not. Now you have to dwell on it. People who are content with the status quo do not want that extra thinking on their minds. They just wanna watch sports. So in order for that to stop, it moves from the actual reason the protests began, to an imaginary one where people can get all up in arms about. Can anyone explain why the anthem is played before every game in the first place? With both sides representing the same country, it makes no sense for me as anything but nationalistic, military propaganda. As I have heard, there is a lot of brainwashing kids to believing the US is the greatest country in the world, and overusing the flag and National anthem is a big part of that. I am very happy this backfires! If anyone took a knee or sat down in an INTERNATIONAL event, though, that would send a message, and cause a reaction no matter the country.
Funny you say nationalistic and military because I think that is its origins. Because of WWI, in 1918 there was some question of whether the World Series for baseball would carry on. They decided to carry on anyways (I think the soldiers still wanted to know the results which is why they moved forward with the World Series.) And then I think in the 7th inning one of the players started singing the Star Spangled Banner? Maybe there was a band- but the whole crowd took up singing it. A rather powerful moment, I imagine and so I'm pretty sure that baseball continued doing that, moving it to the beginning and then other sports picked it up.
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On September 27 2017 09:05 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 08:46 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On September 27 2017 08:33 Falling wrote:Huh. That actually makes a lot of sense. I was discussing this in real life and we were all wondering why it was such a big deal as kneeling really didn't seem the most disrespectful thing in the world... like maybe it related to a QB surrendering first before getting tackled? But in most contexts, kneeling is actually quite respectful. Seems like a fair way to protest in my opinion. It is. Same with sit ins. It's so peaceful that something more has to be made to make it divisive. With it being before the game even starts and during the anthem, you are forced to see something you would rather not. Now you have to dwell on it. People who are content with the status quo do not want that extra thinking on their minds. They just wanna watch sports. So in order for that to stop, it moves from the actual reason the protests began, to an imaginary one where people can get all up in arms about. Can anyone explain why the anthem is played before every game in the first place? With both sides representing the same country, it makes no sense for me as anything but nationalistic, military propaganda. As I have heard, there is a lot of brainwashing kids to believing the US is the greatest country in the world, and overusing the flag and National anthem is a big part of that. I am very happy this backfires! If anyone took a knee or sat down in an INTERNATIONAL event, though, that would send a message, and cause a reaction no matter the country.
well it became more of a big deal when the Military started paying the NFL to be more patriotic
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Did anyone else have to say the pledge of allegiance in school? Looking back, that's creepy as hell lol
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On September 27 2017 09:26 Mohdoo wrote:
Did anyone else have to say the pledge of allegiance in school? Looking back, that's creepy as hell lol
I went to Catholic school for three years; it gets creepier 
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On September 27 2017 09:16 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 09:13 Danglars wrote:On September 27 2017 08:33 Falling wrote:Huh. That actually makes a lot of sense. I was discussing this in real life and we were all wondering why it was such a big deal as kneeling really didn't seem the most disrespectful thing in the world... like maybe it related to a QB surrendering first before getting tackled? But in most contexts, kneeling is actually quite respectful. Seems like a fair way to protest in my opinion. He paired it with explicitly divisive statements on the flag. “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder. Then he had his police=pigs socks and Che Guevara shirt. I don't care what this new round of players thinks, because Trump has certainly thrown his hat into the ring. It started with an overtly political stance and it was all about what the flag symbolized. Why should a man respect a country that does not respect him as a person in the same manner as any other because of the color of his skin?
You presume agreement with a number of things on that question. How about confirming that he left very little room for interpretation on what the protest was about. Then maybe you can move on to honest questions with a basis in shared reality.
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On September 27 2017 09:26 Mohdoo wrote:
Did anyone else have to say the pledge of allegiance in school? Looking back, that's creepy as hell lol
Just remember, they added "Under God" to combat Communism. Good luck getting it removed, because that is an attack on religion.
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On September 27 2017 09:33 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 09:16 Gorsameth wrote:On September 27 2017 09:13 Danglars wrote:On September 27 2017 08:33 Falling wrote:Huh. That actually makes a lot of sense. I was discussing this in real life and we were all wondering why it was such a big deal as kneeling really didn't seem the most disrespectful thing in the world... like maybe it related to a QB surrendering first before getting tackled? But in most contexts, kneeling is actually quite respectful. Seems like a fair way to protest in my opinion. He paired it with explicitly divisive statements on the flag. “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder. Then he had his police=pigs socks and Che Guevara shirt. I don't care what this new round of players thinks, because Trump has certainly thrown his hat into the ring. It started with an overtly political stance and it was all about what the flag symbolized. Why should a man respect a country that does not respect him as a person in the same manner as any other because of the color of his skin? You presume agreement with a number of things on that question. How about confirming that he left very little room for interpretation on what the protest was about. Then maybe you can move on to honest questions with a basis in shared reality.
Kaep said he was not standing for the anthem because he was protesting police brutality. He has since confirmed that multiple times. Over and over. The flag and anthem are part and parcel of one another. His reason has not changed. You decided to add more to it or obfuscate his reason with your own to find outrage.
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On September 27 2017 09:26 Mohdoo wrote:
Did anyone else have to say the pledge of allegiance in school? Looking back, that's creepy as hell lol
I sat for the majority of highschool. It made some of the faculty upset.
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Trump's staff denying aid requests for waivers they previously granted. Apparently now that these waivers are really needed, its time to deny them.
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On September 27 2017 09:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 09:26 Mohdoo wrote:
Did anyone else have to say the pledge of allegiance in school? Looking back, that's creepy as hell lol Just remember, they added "Under God" to combat Communism. Good luck getting it removed, because that is an attack on religion.
Not to open this can of worms, but America wouldn't be America without God or capitalism, and communism should be opposed, so those seem like three excellent reasons to keep the phrase.
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On September 27 2017 09:42 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 09:34 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2017 09:26 Mohdoo wrote:
Did anyone else have to say the pledge of allegiance in school? Looking back, that's creepy as hell lol Just remember, they added "Under God" to combat Communism. Good luck getting it removed, because that is an attack on religion. Not to open this can of worms, but America wouldn't be America without God or capitalism, and communism should be opposed, so those seem like three excellent reasons to keep the phrase.
Not to open this can of worms, but lets totally open this can of worms.
They added it during McCarthyism, so its really fucking not. It was a deeply stupid reason to change the pledge and was added to indoctrinate our children so they wouldn't' be infected by the terrible ideas of communism. Both ineffective and in opposition of the core beliefs of this country, separation of church as state. Finally, the pledge was written to be used by any nation, not just the US, religious or secular.
There is literally no part of adding "Under God" to the pledge of allegiance that isn't embarrassing.
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On September 27 2017 09:26 Mohdoo wrote:
Did anyone else have to say the pledge of allegiance in school? Looking back, that's creepy as hell lol
Those of us who grew up in the free world have been saying this forever. Your American flag worship is also pretty weird. Veneration of the military too. Watch Starship Troopers. America is to Europe what the Starship Troopers is to America.
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On September 27 2017 09:48 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 09:42 Introvert wrote:On September 27 2017 09:34 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2017 09:26 Mohdoo wrote:
Did anyone else have to say the pledge of allegiance in school? Looking back, that's creepy as hell lol Just remember, they added "Under God" to combat Communism. Good luck getting it removed, because that is an attack on religion. Not to open this can of worms, but America wouldn't be America without God or capitalism, and communism should be opposed, so those seem like three excellent reasons to keep the phrase. Not to open this can of worms, but lets totally open this can of worms. They added it during McCarthyism, so its really fucking not. It was a deeply stupid reason to change the pledge and was added to indoctrinate our children so they wouldn't' be infected by the terrible ideas of communism. Both ineffective and in opposition of the core beliefs of this country, separation of church as state. Finally, the pledge was written to be used by any nation, not just the US, religious or secular. There is literally no part of adding "Under God" to the pledge of allegiance that isn't embarrassing.
To open this can but not really open it, I'll point out I didn't say "add" I said "keep."
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United States44368 Posts
On September 27 2017 09:42 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 09:34 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2017 09:26 Mohdoo wrote:
Did anyone else have to say the pledge of allegiance in school? Looking back, that's creepy as hell lol Just remember, they added "Under God" to combat Communism. Good luck getting it removed, because that is an attack on religion. Not to open this can of worms, but America wouldn't be America without God or capitalism, and communism should be opposed, so those seem like three excellent reasons to keep the phrase.
No
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On September 27 2017 09:50 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 09:48 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2017 09:42 Introvert wrote:On September 27 2017 09:34 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2017 09:26 Mohdoo wrote:
Did anyone else have to say the pledge of allegiance in school? Looking back, that's creepy as hell lol Just remember, they added "Under God" to combat Communism. Good luck getting it removed, because that is an attack on religion. Not to open this can of worms, but America wouldn't be America without God or capitalism, and communism should be opposed, so those seem like three excellent reasons to keep the phrase. Not to open this can of worms, but lets totally open this can of worms. They added it during McCarthyism, so its really fucking not. It was a deeply stupid reason to change the pledge and was added to indoctrinate our children so they wouldn't' be infected by the terrible ideas of communism. Both ineffective and in opposition of the core beliefs of this country, separation of church as state. Finally, the pledge was written to be used by any nation, not just the US, religious or secular. There is literally no part of adding "Under God" to the pledge of allegiance that isn't embarrassing. To open this can but not really open it, I'll point out I didn't say "add" I said "keep."
"America wouldn't be the same without God" I can understand. Not that I'd agree or disagree with it but I can understand how that's related to the question at hand is what I'm saying.
But how is God related to communism and capitalism in these modern days? Can't you be a capitalistic, not communistic nation without believing in God?
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eh, i don't mind the pledge. tbh one of the coolest memories of elementary school was when i got to lead it for the whole school via intercom on the first day of school. then again i'm kinda center leftie.
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On September 27 2017 09:51 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 09:42 Introvert wrote:On September 27 2017 09:34 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2017 09:26 Mohdoo wrote:
Did anyone else have to say the pledge of allegiance in school? Looking back, that's creepy as hell lol Just remember, they added "Under God" to combat Communism. Good luck getting it removed, because that is an attack on religion. Not to open this can of worms, but America wouldn't be America without God or capitalism, and communism should be opposed, so those seem like three excellent reasons to keep the phrase. No
Oh come now, the left loves criticizing the first two and their veneration in America. But I remember now, you got into it with xDaunt about Western Civilization. Your perspective on these matters is... interesting.
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On September 27 2017 09:50 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 09:48 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2017 09:42 Introvert wrote:On September 27 2017 09:34 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2017 09:26 Mohdoo wrote:
Did anyone else have to say the pledge of allegiance in school? Looking back, that's creepy as hell lol Just remember, they added "Under God" to combat Communism. Good luck getting it removed, because that is an attack on religion. Not to open this can of worms, but America wouldn't be America without God or capitalism, and communism should be opposed, so those seem like three excellent reasons to keep the phrase. Not to open this can of worms, but lets totally open this can of worms. They added it during McCarthyism, so its really fucking not. It was a deeply stupid reason to change the pledge and was added to indoctrinate our children so they wouldn't' be infected by the terrible ideas of communism. Both ineffective and in opposition of the core beliefs of this country, separation of church as state. Finally, the pledge was written to be used by any nation, not just the US, religious or secular. There is literally no part of adding "Under God" to the pledge of allegiance that isn't embarrassing. To open this can but not really open it, I'll point out I didn't say "add" I said "keep."
It is an affront to the Constitution and the foundation of this nation. The slow creep of religion into our government threatens its foundation and the freedom of the US people. Other, more advanced secular nations have settled issues like abortion, while we squabble over it like idiot children. It is an embarrassment that we even defend it.
And for the record, I'm Christian.
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