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Plansix
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The legacy of Nixon. | ||
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oBlade
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On August 24 2017 02:14 Plansix wrote: The media is made up of the people, but is somehow against the people. Everything is made up of the people, this is reductivist absurdity, ISIS is made up of the people. On August 24 2017 02:14 Plansix wrote: Except the media that is pro trump, they are patriotic Americans. The legacy of Nixon. Who are you quoting here? | ||
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Doodsmack
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On August 24 2017 02:19 oBlade wrote: Everything is made up of the people, this is reductivist absurdity, ISIS is made up of the people. Who are you quoting here? Your post on journalism was pretty clearly only talking about the liberal portion of the media. | ||
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RvB
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On August 24 2017 01:02 IgnE wrote: have you considered the rival rival explanation? that republican principles and policies are largely so intellectually and morally bankrupt that educated, thoughtful people would be too embarrassed to ever identify as such even if they ultimately want to pay lower taxes? my anecdotal evidence suggests that highly educated conservatives are more likely to identify as independent or even, god forbid, libertarian, than to identify as a republican. its like admitting to being a brain dead simpleton. Then explain to me why Trump won the white college educated vote and he got more than 40% of the total college Educated vote? That's still millions of people who voted for those intelectually and morally bankrupt principles and policies. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On August 24 2017 02:24 Doodsmack wrote: Your post on journalism was pretty clearly only talking about the liberal portion of the media. Well, your point was absurd (as was the article), so an absurd response seems fairly adequate. Someone posting (frequently) on a game forum should not be correlating life priorities with readership/viewership numbers. | ||
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Godwrath
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On August 24 2017 02:24 RvB wrote: Then explain to me why Trump won the white college educated vote and he got more than 40% of the total college Educated vote? That's still millions of people who voted for those intelectually and morally bankrupt principles and policies. Because what you identify yourself as and what you vote in a democratic country with a bipartisan system are often not the same thing. You will end up voting for the one who overlaps the most with your interests, and nothing else. | ||
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IgnE
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On August 24 2017 02:24 RvB wrote: Then explain to me why Trump won the white college educated vote and he got more than 40% of the total college Educated vote? That's still millions of people who voted for those intelectually and morally bankrupt principles and policies. well because most people with or without a college degree are neither educated nor thoughtful | ||
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Plansix
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On August 24 2017 02:24 Doodsmack wrote: Your post on journalism was pretty clearly only talking about the liberal portion of the media. He has already elevated himself above the bias and sees objectively. He separates his personal views from his objective assessment of the media, so he means all of the media. The majority of which is liberal, but that doesn't matter for the all seeing objective observer. It is all bad and can be discarded. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On August 24 2017 02:24 RvB wrote: Then explain to me why Trump won the white college educated vote and he got more than 40% of the total college Educated vote? That's still millions of people who voted for those intelectually and morally bankrupt principles and policies. the point was: They vote Republican, but they're too ashamed to say so in public | ||
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IgnE
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{CC}StealthBlue
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A heartsick surface Navy is vowing to find answers after a series of incidents that could make the peacetime Western Pacific deadlier for U.S. troops this year than Afghanistan. The Navy began, as it often does, with accountability: On Wednesday, it fired the three-star admiral whose command in the Western Pacific suffered at least four big accidents this year, two of which may have killed a combined 17 sailors. An officer aboard the destroyer USS Stethem also was lost overboard near the Philippines on Aug. 1. That compares with 11 service members killed in Afghanistan — details are available from the Military Times and icasualties.org. President Trump on Monday authorized a big new deployment of American forces to Afghanistan, according to senior U.S. officials. Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin, head of 7th Fleet, was relieved "due to loss of confidence in his ability to command," the service announced. He had been expected to retire soon. Rear Adm. Phil Sawyer, who had already been confirmed as his replacement, will take over immediately. Pacific Fleet commander Adm. Scott Swift told reporters in Singapore that divers and the Malaysian navy have discovered some remains of 10 missing crew members after the destroyer USS John S. McCain collided with a merchant tanker on Monday. The Navy has not officially declared the missing 10 lost, but the White House issued an official statement of condolence on Tuesday evening that alluded to "United States sailor fatalities" following the collision. It was at least the third such incident this summer, following the collision of the destroyer USS Fitzgerald with a merchant container vessel off Tokyo and the collision of the cruiser USS Lake Champlain with a fishing vessel off the Korean Peninsula. The Fitzgerald collision killed seven sailors; the Lake Champlain was not seriously affected and continued its deployment. The latest deaths on the John S. McCain have devastated the surface Navy family as it continued grieving after the losses aboard the Fitzgerald. "We owe it to sailors that man 7th Fleet and their families to answer the questions that flow from the uncertainty of what happened," said Swift, the head of U.S. Pacific Fleet. "How could it happen — and what can be done to prevent such in the future? We owe it to each and every one of them to pursue answers to these questions." Chief of Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson ordered an "operational pause" for ships around the world and a specific review for those posted in the Western Pacific. But the collisions at sea, as well as an incident early this year in which the cruiser USS Antietam ran aground off Tokyo, are only superficially similar. They took place in different waters, at different times of day, under different conditions. These aren't situations in which the same type of equipment — a radar, for example, or a propulsion system common to each ship — failed under similar circumstances. The Navy can't simply recall and replace a widget in order to be able to increase safety across the fleet. The main thing that each case has in common is what makes the Navy's task so difficult: the human element. Navy mishaps often emerge from judgment calls: A commanding officer, or CO, misjudges which young officers or sailors are ready to stand a crucial watch by themselves, putting people into positions of authority who aren't ready. A captain becomes overconfident to the point of complacency, inured to risks that he should take more seriously. Or crew members reach a point where they feel they can't question the orders they're getting or ask for help and instead resign themselves to go along. "There was a fog on the bridge, a sort of zero-defect mentality that conveyed 'don't say anything or the CO would get upset,' " as one officer on the Antietam later told investigators. "The CO liked to get underway on time, and things would get inflated in the moment." The military newspaper Stars and Stripes described the investigation into the Antietam's grounding after obtaining it under the Freedom of Information Act. It depicted an angry captain, unqualified watch standers and poor preparation. The commanding officer was fired, and other crew members were reprimanded. But a military unit needs military discipline — it's difficult to strike a balance between a constructive culture and a dysfunctional one in a ship where men and women must work for months in close quarters while covering huge stretches of the empty Pacific. All the same, Swift said the Navy will implement a "deliberate reset" for the units based in Japan that will focus on navigation, machinery and "bridge resource management" — in other words, training crew members on watch how to use their eyes and ears, both human and electronic, to help drive their ships. This is not the Navy's first broad look into the practices of the surface force. In 2009, having been stung by a series of embarrassing reports that revealed some of its warships were rusting, broken or otherwise unready, the Navy commissioned retired Vice Adm. Philip Balisle to head a "Fleet Review Panel" and study the problem. Balisle's report, issued the next year, not only confirmed that systems aboard the Navy's high tech warships were breaking down more often and the ships themselves were in less-than-ideal shape but also warned about problems with crews' shipboard culture — acceptance of problems, too little training and too much work. One problem was years of Navy penny-pinching, in which ships sailed with smaller crews, creating more work for the sailors who remained, which meant less time for hands-on training — and more rust, broken equipment and other such problems. "It appears the effort to derive efficiencies has overtaken our culture of effectiveness," the report said. Navy leaders said they were taking those insights to heart — adding sailors back to crews and renewing their focus on training and competence. Richardson's task is to determine whether that hasn't been enough or whether it hasn't actually been filtering all the way down to the fleet and what else he might not know about the workings of today's fleet. Adm. Philip Davidson, head of the Navy's Fleet Forces Command, will lead the effort that Richardson has set into motion. He is a Naval Academy graduate and career surface warfare officer who's commanded a frigate, a cruiser and an aircraft carrier strike group, in addition to his other assignments. Richardson said in a video statement that the Navy would look at everything it needs to across the board in order to get a sense of how to be of the best help to crews. Meanwhile, Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain, R-Ariz., whose father and grandfather were the namesakes for the destroyer damaged in the deadly Singapore collision, said the Navy must get this right. "Our sailors who risk their lives every day, in combat and in training, deserve no less. I expect full transparency and accountability from the Navy leaders as they conduct the associated investigations and reviews." Source | ||
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oBlade
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On August 24 2017 02:24 Doodsmack wrote: Your post on journalism was pretty clearly only talking about the liberal portion of the media. No, it wasn't, if it's not just your preconceptions can you point me to what gave you that idea so I can fix it? The media happens to be mostly liberal, if you were to measure by market share if nothing else, I assume we could agree on that, but that's a historical fact that's out of our control now, whether accidental or inevitable. The institution is bad and that seems not to depend on what the dominant ideology is, but I'm sorry we can't live in the conservative universe as an experiment just to somehow prove my right to want better no matter who's on top. On August 24 2017 02:25 Plansix wrote: No one. I'm just amused by you misguided anti media rant because they don't spoon feed us an ideology that lines up with you personal views. The cycle of attacking the media is self sustaining. The more we defend it, they more you claim we have been manipulated by it. You are simply not listening at all. On August 24 2017 02:24 WolfintheSheep wrote: Well, your point was absurd (as was the article), so an absurd response seems fairly adequate. Someone posting (frequently) on a game forum should not be correlating life priorities with readership/viewership numbers. Here is the Bloomberg question: Which of the following do you see as the most important issue facing the country right now? I do not think the answer is Starcraft, I don't think you think the answer is Starcraft, if anyone thought the answer was Starcraft they could have answered "None of these," it wasn't a poll about life priorities, their methodology was Starcraft-proof. | ||
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Anyway. On August 24 2017 02:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Another industry Millennials are trying to screw over. Almost why would anyone want to destroy a forest? + Show Spoiler + n a steep slope just inland from Waldport, Oregon, a young forestry worker named Jared Foster is at the controls of a large machine called a forwarder. The machine, made by Finnish company Ponnse, looks like it was designed by Michael Bay. The front section contains a climate-controlled cabin, in which Foster sits, listening to a country music station as he works. The back features a large, articulated mechanical arm with a yellow claw, and a cage that can hold up to 20 metric tons of felled timber. The whole thing is tethered by a steel cable to a large stump at the top of the slope, to keep it from careening down the hill. In the cab, Foster manipulates a joystick that controls the arm, which gathers up felled Douglas Fir trees as if they were Jenga sticks. It’s taken him a year to master it, and his training has included time on simulators. His supervisor, Matt Mattioda of Miller Lumber, says: “It’s as complicated as flying a plane.” Eventually, when there’s an opening, Jared will get his chance to run the even more daunting harvester that can clear a patch of firs in minutes. Mattioda and other experts hope the new machines might help the logging industry solve its millennial problem: young people are not attracted to a life in the forest. He says that the machines are nothing short of a technological revolution for the industry. “A few years back we would have had to clear a slope like this by hand.” Until now, mechanisation has only been possible on flat ground, because vehicles have not had the attractive capability to stay on sloped. Now, winches, tethering, and the wheel system mean that “together these machines can do the work of eight men or more”. John Garland, professor emeritus at Oregon State University, has spent a lifetime researching the industry and trying to improve its safety record. Earlier, as we drove along a forest road to the site that Miller Lumber was clearing, he explained why the industry has struggled to attract young people to its ranks. “Logging is difficult, dirty, dangerous, and declining.” Death or injury “can come from trees falling in the wrong direction, or hitting another tree and falling back on someone”, he said. Others come from what are known as “struck-by” injuries, where a loose felled log hits somebody. Garland talks of a recent Oregon death he investigated as a consultant, where a truck driver “was strapping on logs, and one fell off and struck him in the head”. “Oftentimes, we lose three or four timber fallers a year in Oregon, and the same in Washington.” If that’s the most dangerous job in the industry, then there’s a good argument for it being the most dangerous job in the country. The Bureau of Labor Statistics issues an annual census of the deadliest jobs. In 2016, truck drivers had the most fatal workplace injuries (885), and loggers had 67. But loggers are a far smaller workforce. At 132.7 fatal injuries per 100,000 workers, workers in logging are the most likely to die at work, and almost two and a half times more at risk than those in the next most dangerous profession, fishing. The decline Garland mentions is not so much in what remains of the industry – indeed with construction booming, loggers are facing a labour shortage. “We went through a terrible recession in the 2008-2012 period. Since then it’s been becoming markedly better.” Rather, it is in the communities that once fostered large workforces for the industry, but which suffered a series of blows from the 1980s from which few ever recovered. Source To be fair cutting down trees doesn't necessarily result in actual deforestation or destruction of forests. There's always a responsible method and these new(er) machines actually help with that. Well, can't actually comment on how responsible the forest industry has been in North America of course. | ||
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Plansix
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Danglars
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On August 24 2017 00:52 KwarK wrote: I mean all I'm really getting from your rebuttal is "fake news", "liberal colleges", and "out of touch New York elites". It's almost like all you understand is buzzwords and sound bites. I don't really know what to say. Before I move on, let me subject your first post to similar analysis: "Two sides will always have a middle," "my side rox, your side sux." But I'm actually responded to your attempted rebuttal. | ||
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KwarK
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On August 24 2017 02:44 Danglars wrote: It's almost like all you understand is buzzwords and sound bites. I don't really know what to say. Say something other than buzzwords? | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On August 24 2017 02:38 oBlade wrote: Here is the Bloomberg question: Which of the following do you see as the most important issue facing the country right now? I do not think the answer is Starcraft, I don't think you think the answer is Starcraft, if anyone thought the answer was Starcraft they could have answered "None of these," it wasn't a poll about life priorities, their methodology was Starcraft-proof. Yes, exactly. The question had nothing to do with media consumption. Journalism, and news, is media. Media, shockingly, does not correlate with prioritization of issues in the country. It correlates to "if you were to turn on the TV/visit a website/read a dead tree, what is going to keep your eyes on us". Likewise, if I were to ask you what the most important issue for your current life is, it would not be Starcraft. Yet, contrary to that, your media consumption would show that Starcraft in fact takes up a disproportionate total of your life. tl;dr - Stuff people really care about is boring. | ||
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